AMERICAblog: Senate Dems vote to let Lieberman keep chair
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
Comments should be back.
ShirleyGoodnessanMercy
· 1 year ago
CRAP. This sucks. But let's move on now 'cause we have too much to fix to fixate on that dumbfuck Loserman anymore.
snoozer
· 1 year ago
*Many* of the things we said he said were not true. He's just admitting to lying. What refreshing honesty!
(Good God, that guy's a jerk.)
bill__free
· 1 year ago
Where was the appology??
gwpriester
· 1 year ago
Comments are back. Whew, that was close.
I suspect that the Dems want to get that 60 seat majority in the senate even if it means having Lieberman as part of those 60 seats.
Now should the dems get all three of the undecided states, then they could throw Lieberman to the wolves.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
From what I have read here people were against Lieberman keeping his chair, but they seem to also understand that maybe we need to keep him with the party, so maybe a minor chairmanship. This doesn't sound like a bunch of radicals on the left.
In this election I finally feel like I can make a difference, along with other like-minded people.
This was the first time I was ever motivated to donate to any presidential campaign. It has taken a lot of the motivation out of me, and I refuse to donate to any senate candidate now that Lieberman was allowed to keep his chairmanship.
Very simple, no punishment, so now you will get no money from me. It is a tragedy to get the American people so involved only to see them lose all interest in politics.
I guess our best recourse is to support opponents to the existing senators in the PRIMARY elections in '10 and '12.
I am fed up with them.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
Sorry but LIEberputz is being left to his chair on Homeland Insecurity and a sub-comittee seat on the military. He only relinquished his chair on one sub-comittee so, as he said, "one of the freshmen" could have it.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
I was saying that people suggested that maybe Lieberman be able to keep a minor sub-committee. He should have given up his Chairmanship on Homeland Security.
foxy
· 1 year ago
I think it's the "give him enough rope so he can hang himself" scenario.
Verchiel
· 1 year ago
Except the noose is around the party's neck, not his. We've just let him keep his gavel and the accompanying soapbox to push "security" positions the vast majority of the Democratic constituency finds abhorrent.
Verchiel
· 1 year ago
What garbage. THIS is what we worked, donated, and campaigned for?
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
I am furious--FURIOUS. I feel betrayed and no longer consider myself a "Democrat"--just a "democrat."
The "Democrats" can take their spineless selves elsewhere as far as I'm concerned. I re-registered on July 5, 2007 as "unaffiliated" because of their spinelessness in not impeaching their Fuhrer and will remain that way the rest of what life I have left.
What is the Senate anyway, some kind of fucking S&M club? Seems like it to me.
Wendy
· 1 year ago
Want to move back to Connecticut so we can vote against this slime in 2012. I thought I'd have plenty to say when this happened, but I'm gagging too much. I can hear them clinking glasses over at McCainville.
BarbaraGordon
· 1 year ago
I am going to remember this vote the next time that the DSCC comes after me for a donation.
Lolis
· 1 year ago
Yeah, it is pretty disgusting.
The only thing that keeps me same is that least the Democrats don't have a version of Sarah Palin. But yeah I'm going to stop calling myself a Democrat, because they do not inspire any confidence in me. I unsubscribed from the DSCC and will not give them any money.
Anyone have a good idea for the motivation to keep Lieberman? There must be some hidden nefarious reason.
sconset
· 1 year ago
I am beyond disgusted with Reid and the caucus. Campaigning for McCain was bad enough--but to then go out and campaign for guys like Coleman??
No more funds to the DSCC.
FNReedie
· 1 year ago
Now thats change we can believe in!
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
One can't get away with lying like this in the Age of Youtube.
ProgressiveTroll
· 1 year ago
That 60 stuff is bs anyway. How many times have Dems betrayed us? You are never going to get everybody to vote the right way. There are always jerks voting the wrong way. So kissing Lie-berman's ass to get to 60 is bs. Until the good ol boy and gal Senate club is broken up we are screwed. And as we've seen with Lie-berman, you can't even get a different Dem in there, this really sucks. It's really taken the air out of the good feeling I've had.
coolcatdaddy
· 1 year ago
Helloooo! Yooo hooo! Senate Democraaaats! It's meee! I voted for chaaaange! Remember?
What? You don't want change?
Okay. Fine. I'll remember that when the mid-terms come up.
chrisnyc
· 1 year ago
maybe, just maybe, the people who work there every day, and know how the system and politics work, had a better long term vision than "f*ck him."
You've been revved up lately, and sometimes a little too much so you're missing reality just to engage in anger or revenge.
Granted, I appreciate it when directed against the mormon, but there is strategy and political reality at work here, and when the PRESIDENT-ELECT, who was the target of his crap, says let him stay, he's pretty much saying
"Sticks and stones, blah, blah, who the F cares it's called politics not high school."
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
i've already replied to a dscc solicitation with an angry note. not a dime.
harry reid is a spineless wimp. who could possibly take him seriously as a leader after this?
Wolfsinger
· 1 year ago
Its time to replace Reid.
This vote will come back to haunt the Dems as soon as the 2010 mid terms. Obama has enough to worry about. There will be many ups and downs on the way to healing this nation from the hell that has been the Bush administration. The Dems will need to stand strong in the face of some very tough decisions. Lieberman will now be crowned "King 60 Vote" in the media and when the day comes, and it will sooner than we think, he will screw the Dems as only Lieberman can. I would not want to count on this batch of Dem Senators if I had this mess to clean up. Come 2010 the Repubs or what is left of them will scream that Dems are weak. Just look at this vote for proof. And they would be right. None of this takes into account the loss of motivation by main street to enact the change that was promised because we are pissed! Pissed at business-as-usual. It wasn't Obama's job to axe Lieberman. It was Reids! Obama gave him an chance to "lead". To show strength. Epic fail. Reid must go or what should be a lead pipe cinch for at least 3 more Senate seats in 2010 will be the rebirth of the sick Theocratic party we call Republicans.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
Lieberman now owes his soul to Obama and the dems...that might not be so bad.
it would've been cleaner to cut him loose but I hope they'll use him and abuse him like he deserves.
lynchie
· 1 year ago
He doesn't owe his soul to anyone. He was elected an Independent and given a plum chairmanship at Homeland Security that earned the Dems his actively campaign against us in the last election. There will be no use or abuse he is a turd. There is no accountability for lack of loyalty or disrespect. If this is the type of thing we have to swallow for the next four years I will be very reluctant to offer my time and money for a repeat 4 years. I know you will think I am over dramatizing this but it is just this type of lack of principle that has pissed me off for decades. I despise the Republicans but they are loyal as hell to the party. Why can't our elected Dems show the same. To embrace Lieberman after shitting on Obama and then being rewarded over the loyal elected Dems smacks of nothing but old boy's club, something I though we were going to change--guess not.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
Wrong! He owes his soul to AIPAC, as do many other Dems.
tigergrrldc
· 1 year ago
Yes, I see Obama saying, “Joe, you owe me,” and LIEberman saying, “F*ck you, Obama, and kiss my white, droopy a**!” And there won’t be anything anybody can do about it.
Michael
· 1 year ago
John,
While you're fixing comments, can you get rid of the stupid 'recent comments' overlay that shows up if you just _hover_ over a commenter's name/avatar? It sucks to just be scrolling and that thing shows up blocking text underneath it. I can see the thing being useful, but make it require a click to show up, not just hover.
bDavid
· 1 year ago
arghhhhhhhhh holy joe had to go..... un believable
deked26
· 1 year ago
Disgusting...I will not give them one thin dime for the next four years...nor will I get out and vote for Martin on the 2nd...and I'm a Viet Nam Vet.
annatopia
· 1 year ago
don't punish a real progressive like jim martin over fucking lieberman. please get out and vote for jim - he's a much better dem that LIEberman will ever be.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
It's Chicago politics old style. Everybody marches together on St. Patrick's Day. The ones who survive St. Valentine's Day, that is. And then . . .
bill__free
· 1 year ago
And everyone here has to not fall into the trap of "not my senator", yes your senator. No matter how good he is, there is only one way I know to correct this behavior. Vote against your senator in the primary election. Sure, he may do good for your state, but so would his Democrat replacement.
It is about time we hold OUR senators responsible for the actions of the senate. This was a sham and done with a secret vote. The senators should have refused to partake in a secret vote. I can only assume that if they took part in a secret vote, then they voted for him.
To my senators: Don't come crying to me about donations in "10 & "12., I will be supporting your Democratic opponent in the primaries and will show up at the polls. I have no motivation to vote for you in '10 or '12 and although I can't bring myself to vote Republican, I will be an under vote.
Patton
· 1 year ago
Plus, he isn't "Senator Obama" anymore. He resigned tha the other day. He is now "President-Elect Obama." Leave it to Joe to "forget" to call him by his proper title.
Heather
· 1 year ago
I am TICKED OFF. :-( I don't even think I can expand on that thought, I am just MAD.
davidkc
· 1 year ago
It looks like Obama isn't bringing any change to Washington at all, just more of the same. Obama provided important cover for the Senate Dems to reward Lieberman for actively supporting Republican candidates and trashing Democratic candidates. And his cabinet looks like it's going to be more of the same in a big way: Clinton, Summers, Gates. UGH. I regret all the time and money I devoted to Obama, and it pains me to say that.
serge
· 1 year ago
The road continues, and, as usual, up a steep incline. I hope/wish that Clinton will remain in the Senate and fight for the position of Majority Leader. I think she would kick ass. I have no idea why Harry Reid is such a school girl (with apologies to all real school girls everywhere).
We will not get 60 Democrats. Give it up. Lieberman should have been handed his papers and told to walk. He's an embarrassment as a Democrat, he's a continuing obstacle to any agreement that makes real Israeli/Palestinian peace possible. The war will never end if Lieberman has his way...need I go on?
Verchiel
· 1 year ago
Most schoolgirls can--and do--play nastier than Reid.
The GOP had the Hammer; we get the Nevada shoeshine boy.
Any wonder why our side gets rolled--or simply rolls over on its own--anytime there's a matter of any consequence?
High Crimes & Misdemeanors
· 1 year ago
Speaking of DIQUSting... it looks like the hiccup has been fixed....
I made my calls yesterday and this morning.
Obviously it didn't help.
We shall see what comes out of this mess.
Pennship17
· 1 year ago
This is it! Change we asked for. This decision is just MORE OF THE SAME. I will not give money or volunteer work for the Democratic NC. Shame! Shame! No spine. No principles. No integrity. We voted for this?
Pennship17
Jonah
· 1 year ago
Anyone notice a pattern since 2006?
Whenever there is an issue that first and foremost the netroots primarily cares about (FISA, Lieberman), and even if the case can be clearly made that action has to be taken, there seems to be a cadre of pundits, Washington insiders, and anonymous aides, that set things up for Senators-for-life to do whatever we're against, not based on the merits of being against our position, but to stick it the liberal netroots and the broader left grassroots in order for them to prove they are reasonable and bipartisan, and that they "know" better than us about how things are done and what's best for the country.
This Lieberman situation was so clean cut I'm pretty astounded. I honestly believe that if the netroots said and did nothing to fit this there would be harsher consequences for Lieberman today. I wouldn' t think that grown middle-aged men and women would be as petulant as they are to go against anything tied to the amorphous "left", but I can't think of any other explanation.
If this explains their behavior, then it's time to start a massive campaign of reverse psychology to maybe get the results we want and expect. I mean there's many ways for the people we elected to stick it to the left and look more noble and wise in the process.
I, for one, would be appalled if say, Patrick Leahy became Majority Leader. And I think I can speak for all of us by saying that we fully support Steny Hoyner, and would be shocked, and of course, irrationally angry, if say, one Henry Waxman was put into Hoyner's House leadership position.
Anyone else want to join in?
Brian
· 1 year ago
It totally sucks, Lieberman is pond scum, but he is in many ways a (very) moderate Democrat, and the sad reality of politics is that the Dems will need him for some things. Obama may get the chance to appoint 3 Supreme Court Justices, and Lieberman's record on abortion is pretty solid. Ditto with a number of other 'hot button' social issues. Yea, it's a horible shame that he gets to keep his Homeland Security seat, cause that's where he can do the most harm, but sadly I think this was just a political calculation. I think if the Dems had won those 3 extra seats already they'd have chucked him out on his ass, but if they don't, then he helps them MOST of the time to get very close to that veto proof majority. Don't get me wrong, I loathe him, but politics involves compromise, and this is a sad but perfect example of that
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
This isn't compromise, this is total capitulation.
catdance
· 1 year ago
If he is truly a moderate Democrat in his beliefs, he'll vote accordingly no matter which caucus he's in. And if his vote is based only on who he eats lunch with, then he's a shameless whore.
Oh wait...
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
Will someone, anyone, please get back to principles? Even that "showcase" hearing with Paulson going on right now seems to be a sham...he will continue, of course, to do what he is doing.
The country is in a shambles, and this is what we get?
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
I watched that. They had some good questions but he was defiant, arrogant, and noncooperative. They didn't stand up to his defiance so he will continue to do what he wants. Can only hope things won't get apocoworse between now and January. The second hearing was more interesting - banks who stated the were put in rooms and told to take money from TARP that they didn't ask for or need. They also stated that Paulson was purposely inflicted fear into the American people and Congress.
SCLiberal
· 1 year ago
This was a secret ballot, correct? So we won't know who betrayed us. Nice.
Verchiel
· 1 year ago
And the circle of "no accountability" continues...
None for Rape Gurney Joe, and none for those who legitimized his lying and backstabbing with their vote, today.
tommytoonz
· 1 year ago
I might need to go back to being an Independent. I was a Democrat for a dozen years, then changed to Independent when the Dems didn't stand up against the Clinton impeachment. I changed back to Dem this year so I could vote in my state's primary. But it's moves like this that give me no faith whatsoever in the Democrats as a PARTY. I tend to vote for them, but I find it extremely hard to support them when they let people like Leiberman walk all over them. And my disdain goes to Obama as well. I understand his motives as least, but I have little respect for them, thankfully, I believe he will effectively govern which is why I voted and campaigned for him.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
I am trying to remember the name of the Republican senator that campaigned against Bush in 2004, hung out with Kerry everyday and spoke at the Democratic convention, and remember he said all those terrible things about Bush, what was his name? Then when the election was over the Republicans caved and let what's his name keep his high ranking chairmanship. What's his name was a real douchebag to Bush, but why can't I remember his name?
Rufus
· 1 year ago
It comes to mind the reason they didn't physically pick up Lieberman, carry him across the aisle and dump him on his head with the comment "Here, he's all yours and be careful he's a lying little weasel," is because he knows the Senate dirt. Take away his chairmanship, and he reveals really evil Senate Democratic stuff. Blackmail, can't be any other reason.
red_dwarf
· 1 year ago
Agree.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
I am NEVER ever giving money to the Democratic Senators again.
catdance
· 1 year ago
I'm done with the Democrats. Oh, I'll still vote for the Democratic candidate, but probably not for any incumbents. I'll sit out elections they're in. And I'm not giving any money to the Democratic Party anymore. I'll give to individuals through MoveOn or ActBlue or the like. Ya just don't take my money and f&*k me over.
Does anyone know if you can request the return of contributions to the DSCC ??
johnt66
· 1 year ago
That is my question also, take my money my sweat and tears and then bend me over and screw me like a dog,well what goes around comes around.
EmGD
· 1 year ago
I hope Reid and Obama at least try to look surprised when Lieberman leaves them twisting in the wind or stabs a big knife in their back yet again. They earned his childish shenanigans and I hope for the sake of this country that Lieberman doesn't spend the next 4 years doing what he did for the past 2, but then again I'm not as easily duped as 43 senators and a President Elect. Can't win without losing, huh Dems?
I don't understand the logic. Dems want a larger number of senators on their team. So they keep Lieberman even thought he may have cost the Dems the senate seat in MN? Great logic.
jebauer
· 1 year ago
Wow, reading the comments on this topic the past week has really really made me sad. I worked so hard to elect Obama... I gave money I could've spent on countless other things I needed... spent hours and hours canvassing and calling. Why? Because despite all the setbacks and previous arguments within the party, I truly believe we have the right guy for the job. I trust him. I hate what Lieberman has done, but I hate retribution just as much. And it breaks my heart to see what appears to be retribution within our own party because we don't like this single decision. I'm a Democrat. I'm tough. Backbone fully intact. Ready to fight the good fight. I may disagree, but I will never give up. I'm heading for my local moveon.org group this week to help shape the future. I sure hope my fellow Democrats don't give up this early in the fight. We need each other.
renegademom
· 1 year ago
co-sign
Lolis
· 1 year ago
I haven't given up on Obama. His statement left plenty of room for Dems to oust Lieberman if they wanted. In the big picture, Lieberman probably doesn't matter. I think people see this as symbolic of problems we already have with the party. Time will tell if Lieberman is going to be on a short leash, if he is then I can live with today's outcome. I am not very optimistic, but you never know.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen.
catdance
· 1 year ago
But it's not "retribution." We have a lot of work ahead of us and we don't need someone who doesn't believe in change in a major position on the team.
I'm from Connecticut, and old enough to have been a witness to Lieberman's entire political career. I am proud to say that I have never -- NEVER -- voted for Joe Lieberman since he first ran for Senate. True liberals realized from the start that Joe was most definitely NOT a Democrat. He ran against Republican Senator Lowell Weicker at the behest of conservative Republicans who thought Weicker was too liberal.
When William F. Buckley loves you, what are you? Not a liberal Democrat... and certainly not a progressive one.
When we, the voters of Connecticut, elected Ned Lamont in a free and fair primary, our choice was subverted by Joe's Republicans, who voted against their own candidate to keep their boy Joe in the Senate. And Joe repaid them by protecting the Bush Administration (do you forget he promised to investigate the Katrina failure, and then did nothing? Have you forgotten that he supported Bush on Iraq with every fiber of his wizened self?) Then he went out an campaigned viciously against Obama and other Democratic candidates. He has NO place in the Democratic caucus. He never did. And we've just lost our only chance to get rid of him in favor of someone who will work for us, not against us. Why? Because DINOs like Harry Reid saved Joe's ass again. Look around -- what has Harry Reid done for the last eight years, against the war, against torture, for human rights, for gay rights, for ANYTHING we stand for? Nada.
Obama isn't going to get anything done with "friends" like Joe Lieberman. Obama isn't much of a liberal/progressive to begin with, (remember the telecom vote?) but I thought that with a vocal citizenry and backed up by a correct-thinking Congress, he'd do those things we want. But with these guys in the Senate, I'm losing hope by the day.
So no. It 's not about retribution. It's about wanting Change we can believe in. With these guys in office, we can't believe in one damn thing.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
And now, I wonder how this might affect the race in Georgia? Another senator lost due to people in Georgia not showing up in the runoff. I wish Nate Silver would do some polls to determine the effect this decision will have in Georgia.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
If Obama doesn't show up in GA to campaign for Martin, you can kiss that seat goodbye. He's still behind Chambliss by 3% pts, and the only reason for the run off is that Chambliss didn't get 50% which is required by GA law.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
I know about the 50%. I was wondering about the turnout. I am sure that a large part of the people that (will / would) vote would be strong supporters of the candidates.
I wonder how many of the net roots will just not show up because they are disgusted with this situation? I would take a Martin in Georgia over Lieberman getting a lower chairmanship and him bolting the party any day of the week. It would have really increased turnout in Georgia for Martin. That is my uneducated guess.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
Dean Barkley has all but endorsed Martin, for what it's worth. Being a libertarian, Barkley basically cost Martin an outright victory on Nov. 4. If he prefers Martin, he should have dropped out and let Martin win. But no, he needed the election to promote himself.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
We complain when there are no third party candidates, and then we complain when there ARE third party candidates. Can we make up our minds? There seems to be a real disconnect here. We voted for Obama because he told us over and over again that he wanted to change the way politics was done, that he wanted unity, and then when he actually lives out his ideals in reaching out to Lieberman in forgiveness and unity, we jump on him and the Democratic senators who followed his lead. Maybe we need to look in the mirror if we are looking to find fault.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
gotta avoid being so open-minded that your brain leaks out. forgiving lieberman is not inconsistent with booting him from the chairmanship. you can do both. And for the record, I meant Allen Buckley. Barkley was the 3rd party candidate in MN. my goof.
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
There is much more to this than meets my untrained eye.
Liberman has many by their short hairs, why?
AIPAC?
JD_Rhoades
· 1 year ago
I was feeling the same way as most of you until I heard that Lieberman credited "President Obama's statement" for letting him keep the job. Wonder if that statement had its own pricetag for Lieberman to pay?
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
Traitors don't pay that way
Miket298
· 1 year ago
Can we call our senators and ask for a vote of no confidence in Senator Reid's "leadership" ?
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
Good idea!!
IU1995
· 1 year ago
This wouldn't have been an issue had the Connecticut DEMOCRATS voted for Ned Lamont 2 years ago instead of the CFL party. Why should Democratic Senators do something that voters wouldn't do? And they probably won't do it in 2012 either.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
You have a good point, although I really wonder how many Republicans voted for Lieberman in that election.
red_dwarf
· 1 year ago
Cowards.
RIPWAMU
· 1 year ago
WTH? Would it have made a difference if all the votes were in and they don't get to 60?
This man is a traitor. Brown nosing comes with the territory, but being a traitor does not. Not sure how the people of CT feel about him - if they were as disgusted as the rest of us they could recall his ass.
hieremias
· 1 year ago
LIEberman : i love john mccain Chorus of Democrats : what about "our guy" LIEberman : i will support john mccain Chorus of Democrats : as long as you don't campaign for the republican... LIEberman : i endorse, enthusiastically support, and will campaign for john mccain while trashing obama. Chorus of Democrats : as long as you steer clear of the RNC convention... LIEberman : i will be a featured speaker at the RNC convention Chorus of Democrats : just don't go Zell on us LIEberman : my name isn't Zell it's Joe the Independent and i'd like to introduce you to another authentic 'merican (unlike that elitist, exotic guy you're running) joe-the-plu... Chorus of Democrats : we're not interested in another republican-media creation/fantasy LIEberman : hey look it's Sarah from wasilla Chorus of Democrats : she's stupid but she sure is hot LIEberman : well, i'm going to party with the other folks Chorus of Democrats : you do that and we're over. we're breaking up. we're going to win enough senate races that you won't be able to hold us hostage anymore! LIEberman : go cheney yourself Chorus of Democrats : well... we're going to.... strip you of your powerful position. LIEberman : losing my committee chairmanship would be unacceptable Chorus of Democrats : ok, sorry. figured we'd ask anyway LIEberman : that's right Chorus of Democrats : can we get back together? LIEberman : we'll see
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
The Senators don't realize or maybe they do that Lieberman just did not spit in their faces he spit in the face of everybody out there that worked hard and donated money to help get Obama elected. Lieberman pissed on all of us and then he still gets rewarded.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
Lieberman pissed on himself. I worked really hard to get Obama elected. It consumed most of my life since the primaries. And, in saying that he wanted Lieberman to stay in the caucus, Obama did exactly what I would have expected him to do, given both his character and his intelligence. Remember when our progressive/liberal sensibilities were all aflutter during the campaign - those times when we questioned Obama's judgment in not going negative? He was right then, and I think (despite my own primitive desire for vengence) he is right now.
green_libertarian
· 1 year ago
Didn't LiEberman SAY that a 60 vote filibuster-proof Dem majority was a BAD thing?
Here's where he can do the most damage, he sits in on the Dem caucus legislative strategy sessions, and passes that info on to the Repukes, giving them the upper hand in negotiating the details of specific legislation, which is where the BULK of the work in the Senate happens.
Big gamble. Given he's proven untrustworthy, I'd sure as hell not go along with this.
nicho
· 1 year ago
Yup. Yup. You bethca. Lieberman said that a 60-seat majority was a "danger to America."
bill__free
· 1 year ago
Just think if he made the 60th vote. In his mind he would be the 2nd most important person in the world.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
and the most dangerous.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
I think we can all trust Lieberman to do what is best for Lieberman, party unity or "country first" be damned. And what Lieberman needs over the next four years is to ingratiate himself with the Obama/Democratic agenda, which will make him look better in the eyes of the Connecticut voters. Without playing that card, he doesn't have a chance to win the game.
tigergrrldc
· 1 year ago
Yes, I see Obama saying, “Joe, you owe me,” and LIEberman saying, “F*ck you, Obama, and kiss my white, droopy a**!” And there won’t be anything anybody can do about it.
SCLiberal
· 1 year ago
No We Can't!
hollisterwelles
· 1 year ago
This is just exasperating to me. Are there absolutely no penalties for anyone in government?
Lieberman will not vote with the Dems on issues they want, he'll vote Republican. Who on earth cares if he would have switched to the Republican party? He's already in their pocket.
Or should I say, he's in the pocket of anyone who will favor Lieberman. He's in this for himself, and has been for years. He doesn't rep the people of CT, and never has...
Tool.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
Kind of like a neighbor who calls and complains about everything you do to the police, city, etc.., but you have over for dinner every night and feed him. It just doesn't make sense.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
I think we can all trust Lieberman to do what is best for Lieberman, and it has nothing to do with party unity or "country first." Lieberman will ingratiate himself to Obama and the Democrats because he has his eye on 2012, when he will need to be reelected by the citizens of Connecticut. My guess is that he'll be more supportive of the Obama/Democratic agenda thanks to his "close call" and the humiliating defeat of his hero, John McCain.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
I still hold some hope that the 'Department of Homeland Security' will be closed in the interest of government consolidation and efficacy. I also hope that CT will vote that fuc*er out of office in 2010. And i hope Harry Reed will eat a bag of dicks, too.
Shootingstar
· 1 year ago
I am trying very hard to convince myself that President Elect Obama has a plan in place to use Senator Lieberman as part of a complex strategy to undo the 'Bush years'. We're not going to need just Senator Lieberman but any and all Republican senators that can be persuaded to join the Obama coalition. The executive, legislative and even the judicial branches of the United States government will need to work closely together to fix this huge mess. This is not about sixty votes, it is about having the capability to solve a large number of interrelated problems.
Now on a personal opinion I'd love to see Senator Lieberman assigned as the chairman of the committee on silly walks.
bill__free
· 1 year ago
Even if he does, it makes no difference. Lieberman will now do what the is told or he will get the boot. But at a cost? A probable Senate loss in MN, due to Lieberman. And maybe a loss in Georgia even if Obama shows up, now that urgency of grass roots people in Georgia are getting fed up with politicians.
Todd
· 1 year ago
And we all wonder where the republicans get off calling Democrats Spineless?
Well know you know,,,
bill__free
· 1 year ago
Lieberman voted for Clinton impeachment over sex. Lieberman held no hearings into Bush admin and Bush will most likely pardon himself & his admin.
Well, now we'll see that Lieberman will use his chairmanship to exercise oversight on the White House that he saw fit not to exercise the last two years. Not a smart move by Obama.
sdcin
· 1 year ago
While Obama has the reputation of thinking of the long game, I suspect this is a situation where the short game requires the tactical advantage. With Obama officially out of his senate seat, Dems need the to keep Lieberman from bolting right now during the lame duck session. It's not about whether we get 60 in January, but we keep the GOP from 50 right now.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
This is why I only gave to Obama this year and not the party. The DC leadership of the party hasn't acted in the country or party's best interest over the last many years in my opinion. I hope Mr. Obama can change this through a deft use of the bully pulpit... I wish the Office of the President-elect would scrub the cheap lawyer's office look of the latest video releases...move the bully pulpit away from the background and allow a little natural or artificial mood lighting/shadowing of the background, please.
skeptic
· 1 year ago
This man is an embarrassment to the Democratic party. As usual the Dems have caved in. This is a pattern that they have and it does not augur well for the future.
Mike in Iowa
· 1 year ago
I supported Obama in the primaries in significant part because I was sick of all the yelling and tit for tat in our politics that keeps anything from getting done. So, while I may well have voted to strip Loserman of all authority if I had the vote, I'll begrudgingly note that Obama is presenting himself in a manner that I think will serve him well over both the short and long term. Our economy is in a freefall, and the actions of No Drama Obama, including here, seem aimed squarely at trying to bring the country together to address this and other issues. Plus he's always said he's not afraid to meet with his enemies, and I'm guessing he views Lieberman as someone who was simply unable to even comprehend that the voters may ultimately go for a young one term black senator. So I think Obama, and probably the Senate Dem. Caucus, did the right thing even as I'm not sure I would have been able to stomach doing so myself.
democrattotheend
· 1 year ago
Very well said, and I agree with you 100%. Obama is doing exactly what he promised, which is taking the high road and moving beyond petty partisanship. It's nice to see a few cooler heads prevail here.
Charles
· 1 year ago
Gore Vidal: "there is only one party in the United States, the Property Party...and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt—until recently... and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties."
SCLiberal
· 1 year ago
Democrats: "Thank you sir may I have another!"
BroD
· 1 year ago
%$^=#@ing *&^%#$@s!
LanceThruster
· 1 year ago
My thoughts exactly [sigh]
okojo
· 1 year ago
I am thinking the Senate Democrats are going to kick out Lieberman, whether now or later. He is going to do everything possible to throw monkey wrenches in the Obama administration's plans for Iraq.
He hasn't exactly been showing "no hard feelings" for the past two years, and I don't see him turning over a new leaf...
RitornaVincitor
· 1 year ago
Honestly, I don't know what the best way to go on Lieberman is. I agree that he deserves to be kicked out of the caucus, and all committee seats. No question about it. But without the magic 60 in the Senate we need him. And Obama seems to be doing what we expected of him, which is to bring a new kind of politics. He also seems to be killing the GOP with kindness. It may just work. I mean, how many times has either Party gotten control, ignored the other party, and then discovered themselves losing control a few years later? Obama seems to be taking a page out of Lincoln's book. Only time will tell if it proves effective. As for Lieberman, lets hope the good folks of Connecticut vote in someone less scummy next time.
SkippyFlipjack
· 1 year ago
No, we don't. We need caucus members in a split senate in order to be the majority party. Since we're already the majority party, we don't need Lieberman. This is no guarantee of votes.
michael_carr
· 1 year ago
Barbara Boxer's office informed me that "she hasn't released a statement yet" concerning her stance on Lieberman. Then I called Harry Reid's office and said he was confusing the word "retribution" with "accountability," and that he is a spineless mealy mouth more interested in preserving the corrupt power in Washington against the needs of his constituents. It felt great.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
I called Boxer twice and left two emails. I haven't heard back from her. I did hear back from Senator Feinstein. For those of use who worked our butts off to get a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate, this was a slap in the face.
michael_carr
· 1 year ago
I'm actually going to follow up with Senator Boxer again tomorrow. I can't see why her staff won't answer the question. The person who answered the phone waffled between saying maybe in a couple of days... or maybe not at all. I said he could lose the attitude and let her know that she needs to let her constituents know how she voted in this matter. It's as if elections don't matter, and that they all belong to some kind of sick club with the sole focus of preserving its pathos.
hauksdottir
· 1 year ago
She's always asking for money for her PAC. I'm glad that she's as strong as she is on the environment, but damnity, I wish she'd realize that the Senate isn't a country club but a job. Any worker who publicly disparaged his company and advertised for the competition would come back to find his belongings and pink slip on the curb and the locks changed on his office. It isn't a matter of friendship, but of duty.
LeftCoastOracle
· 1 year ago
You go, guy. Good strategy; language is important.
Poopyman
· 1 year ago
No, you don't need him for the "magic 60". somewhere on the liberal blogs a few days ago was a statistic that said that crossovers were actually the norm in the last congress. Both ways. Wish I could find it now, but I can't.
The Dems will have better luck soliciting center Republicans than each and every Democrat. Will Roger's comment about not belonging to an organized party is truer than ever.
democrattotheend
· 1 year ago
There is no "magic 60" Democrats. But there is a "magic 60" on every important bill, and even if we had 60 Democratic senators, every bill takes some finessing and appeasing different senators to get everyone on board. Every senator has his or her own interests and agenda and it would be stupid for a president-elect to go out of his way to make enemies with any of them on either side of the aisle. Obama did the smart thing here, whether we like it or not.
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
progressives = charlie brown
congressional democrats (house and senate) = lucy
progressive agenda/stuff we want = football.
hardly surprising, its been this way since we pushed them into office in 2006 and THEY GAVE BUSH EVERYTHING HE WANTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
Lets face it.. the Congressial Democrats in the House and Senate care more about each other then any of us, and it will always be that way.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
It's now up to the good state of Conn. to punish Lieberman. I hope they kick his butt to the curb this next election.
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
the vote apparently was 43-12 or something like that.
So its obvious that the Democrats didnt listen to us, so I guess they dont need our votes anymore..
Progressive Party anyone???
JNo
· 1 year ago
Is it possible that Obama knows what he is doing? I mean we questioned his campaign tactics and he ran a nearly flawless campaign. I hate Lieberman as much as the next guy but maybe his is Barry's biatch now? I don't know? I still wanted them to boot him if for nothing else than he really sucks at his job.
democrattotheend
· 1 year ago
Agreed. Obama knows he might need Lieberman's vote sometimes and would rather have him indebted than wanting revenge. Smart move, no matter how much we don't like it.
Kimstatenn
· 1 year ago
I can wait to be asked for monsy or support for the DNC. My answer will be, why would I give you money, when you support people who attack my leader and my ideas. F@#{ you DNC! Why de helk did I give you money? I want it back!
K.
skwcw2001
· 1 year ago
when i see joe on tv i always remeber the old stereotypes of the greedy power hungry unethical jew, and he fits it to a tee he gives the jewish people a bad name he is a oliver stone movie bad guy, he is seedy greedy and gives me the creeps
Benjamin
· 1 year ago
This a shame and outright outrageous!
I called my senator on numerous occasions and pretty much told her; (Senator Boxes) to grow a spine and do the will of the people.
When her term is up we need to rid her and her ilk from office.
I am totally upset that a turn-coat, traitor like Joe the backstabber can go about business as if nothing was said with the aide of these spineless DemocaRATs!
1970cs
· 1 year ago
It took plenty of spine for democrats to do what they did today.
Check please
pattyk
· 1 year ago
Well, he got a pass because he was such a total flop as a turncoat. Did he really think he had it in him to sway any voters, that rabbity little old man? Had he been successful and really helpful to the Republicans, the Dems would have treated him differently.
patp1t
· 1 year ago
Gotta disagree here. Lieberman only kept the job because Obama asked the Dems to not remove him. Lieberman can do a lot more damage if he's not kept under Dem control. And he knows Obama is the ONLY reason he still has the job. He can be used and manipulated because he's in deep debt to Barack.
democrattotheend
· 1 year ago
Exactly. And I, for one, am grateful that our president-elect is more mature than most of us and able to see the forest for the trees. He recognizes that Lieberman could be a huge thorn in his side when he tries to get his agenda through the Senate and realizes that whatever his personal feelings might be (and I can't believe he's not personally hurt, given the fact that Lieberman was his mentor and he obviously respected Lieberman at one point as someone who embodied bipartisanship), getting revenge is less important than improving his chances of getting important legislation passed that actually impacts real people.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
I agree with you. And I'm one of those who was calling for retribution against Lieberman. It struck me last night as I was reading some comments about William Ayers appearance on ABC that a lot of feelings being expressed by the right on Ayers - the unwillingness to forgive him and the inclination toward punishment or vengence - were being echoed by progressives/liberals toward Lieberman. I realize the circumstances are different. After all, Mr. Ayers has more than rehabilitated himself and become a productive, and esteemed, member of society. We'll be taking a chance that Lieberman will be "beholden" to the forgiveness of Obama and the Democratic Party and will redeem himself by supporting Obama and voting with the Democrats. It is a chance that President-elect Obama and the Democratic caucus were willing to take because the possibility of advancing the Obama/Democratic agenda was much more appealing than the probability of the bitter partisan scuttling that would have resulted had Lieberman been denied. From what I have seen of Lieberman over the past 12 years, I think we can count on him to continue to be a political opportunist, and he'll be looking forward to 2012 when he will have to face the citizens of Connecticut. While I applaud the 13 Senators who, with their no-confidence vote, signaled the need for a Lieberman apology and change of course, I think this will ultimately turn out to be shrewd move by Obama and the Dems.
SeaRod
· 1 year ago
This is politics, and while I am personally disgusted, I understand the reasoning behind this. I wish it was different, but it is not. There are different rules inside the Beltway and I have to trust the individuals I voted for know those rules and will play them to their best advantage. Now I have to go throw up.
MNPundit
· 1 year ago
How long before Lieberman goes after Obama, or starts stonewalling for Bush/McCain? Obama has been a failure on this issue.
That's right. A FAILURE.
Mum48
· 1 year ago
I disagree. I, personally, would have derived great satisfaction from having Lieberman's chairmanship of the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee yanked from him. But I am not the President-elect trying to develop strategies to unify the country. Obama is continuing to do what he has promised us he would do: work to solve the many problems facing this country, and do this by bringing people together, working from a base of unity, and not division. He is much wiser than me, and my guess is that he is much wiser than those among us who would sow seeds of division and vengence. And I say this as someone who called all the Democratic senators yesterday, asking them to vote against allowing Lieberman to keep the committee chair.
Joe Bacon
· 1 year ago
Truly sickening and revolting. Once again, the Democrats have kissed us off.
I won't forget. From now on, not one cent goes to the Democratic Party. I will give directly to those who stood up for integrity like Harkin, Bernie and Leahy.
Joe LIEberman is the 21st century incarnation of Judah Benjamin, Like Benjamin, he deserved to be exiled after his crusade failed. But the Democrats wimped out again as they always do.
warmoreyears
· 1 year ago
We need to send two tennis balls to Harry Reid. Not just me, but everyone. Grab those old balls, wrap two together, and send them to the senator, or any senator. Bury Democratic senators in balls. Maybe they'll get the hint.
annatopia
· 1 year ago
the netroots needs to fund a primary challenge to LIEberman and kick him out of the caucus once and for all. and you know what? how about funding primary challenges to the fucktards who stood up for lieberman after he trashed our nominee, like chris dodd? fucking spineless washington dems. i didn't waste the past 7 years of my life advocating for these guys in order to have them cave in to holy joe. fuck them. not one dime from me to ANY of them. ever.
gonzalez
· 1 year ago
We need to stop bitching about President-Elect Obama. He has shown us that he is smarter than us in many ways and we need to give him the benefit of the doubt. He is lots more smarter than we know and I'm sure he will do the right thing for the country. We need to believe in him and give him some time. I also hate to see the asshole Lieberman get away with what he did but, in the end he'll get what is coming to him. Wait until his next election.
hey you guys, want to have some fun? go over to Dailykos and take a look at the teeth gnashing and infighting over there. lulz. it's the pinnacle of hilarity. those partisan hacks want to believe that they know real politik and are so much more mature than 3rd party supporters and those to their left who support "dead enders" like Nader. they love to call themselves progressives and the big cheese himself, kos, is always talking about "more and better democrats" and how they are the progressives that make power plays and are "living in reality." its hilarious.
the fact of the matter is the two party system is a joke and the inauspicious start of the Obama admin. is proof. corporate party a and corporate party b are buddy buddy behind closed doors, and owe their ultimate allegiance to their corporate paymasters. 3rd party candidates are the only solutions for real progressives. there is no progress or change within the democratic party. they are much worse and corrupt than the republican party, and we all know how corrupt those guys are. the fact of the matter is that democrats are worse because they pretend to stand for some sort of principles, but in the end, once the facade is broken, we see what they are really made of.
think of all those hopeful grassroots and netroots activists who bought into Obama's act wholesale. gave money, knocked on doors, convinced their family to vote dem. now they look and see rahm, larry summers, hawk hilary at secretary of state, joementum emerges unscathed, no tortue justice, the war machine simply changing venues, etc, etc, etc.
cry your eyes out idiots. and next time you want to mock 3rd party candidates as "irrelevant," go ahead. your vote is irrelevant, your opinion is irrelevant, only your money is relevant you mark, you monkey, you serf.
oh but dont take my word for it, just ask chris hedges what he thinks: truthdig.com
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(Good God, that guy's a jerk.)
I suspect that the Dems want to get that 60 seat majority in the senate even if it means having Lieberman as part of those 60 seats.
Now should the dems get all three of the undecided states, then they could throw Lieberman to the wolves.
In this election I finally feel like I can make a difference, along with other like-minded people.
This was the first time I was ever motivated to donate to any presidential campaign. It has taken a lot of the motivation out of me, and I refuse to donate to any senate candidate now that Lieberman was allowed to keep his chairmanship.
Very simple, no punishment, so now you will get no money from me. It is a tragedy to get the American people so involved only to see them lose all interest in politics.
I guess our best recourse is to support opponents to the existing senators in the PRIMARY elections in '10 and '12.
I am fed up with them.
The "Democrats" can take their spineless selves elsewhere as far as I'm concerned. I re-registered on July 5, 2007 as "unaffiliated" because of their spinelessness in not impeaching their Fuhrer and will remain that way the rest of what life I have left.
What is the Senate anyway, some kind of fucking S&M club? Seems like it to me.
The only thing that keeps me same is that least the Democrats don't have a version of Sarah Palin. But yeah I'm going to stop calling myself a Democrat, because they do not inspire any confidence in me. I unsubscribed from the DSCC and will not give them any money.
Anyone have a good idea for the motivation to keep Lieberman? There must be some hidden nefarious reason.
No more funds to the DSCC.
What? You don't want change?
Okay. Fine. I'll remember that when the mid-terms come up.
You've been revved up lately, and sometimes a little too much so you're missing reality just to engage in anger or revenge.
Granted, I appreciate it when directed against the mormon, but there is strategy and political reality at work here, and when the PRESIDENT-ELECT, who was the target of his crap, says let him stay, he's pretty much saying
"Sticks and stones, blah, blah, who the F cares it's called politics not high school."
harry reid is a spineless wimp. who could possibly take him seriously as a leader after this?
This vote will come back to haunt the Dems as soon as the 2010 mid terms. Obama has enough to worry about. There will be many ups and downs on the way to healing this nation from the hell that has been the Bush administration. The Dems will need to stand strong in the face of some very tough decisions. Lieberman will now be crowned "King 60 Vote" in the media and when the day comes, and it will sooner than we think, he will screw the Dems as only Lieberman can. I would not want to count on this batch of Dem Senators if I had this mess to clean up. Come 2010 the Repubs or what is left of them will scream that Dems are weak. Just look at this vote for proof. And they would be right. None of this takes into account the loss of motivation by main street to enact the change that was promised because we are pissed! Pissed at business-as-usual. It wasn't Obama's job to axe Lieberman. It was Reids! Obama gave him an chance to "lead". To show strength. Epic fail. Reid must go or what should be a lead pipe cinch for at least 3 more Senate seats in 2010 will be the rebirth of the sick Theocratic party we call Republicans.
it would've been cleaner to cut him loose but I hope they'll use him and abuse him like he deserves.
While you're fixing comments, can you get rid of the stupid 'recent comments' overlay that shows up if you just _hover_ over a commenter's name/avatar? It sucks to just be scrolling and that thing shows up blocking text underneath it. I can see the thing being useful, but make it require a click to show up, not just hover.
It is about time we hold OUR senators responsible for the actions of the senate. This was a sham and done with a secret vote. The senators should have refused to partake in a secret vote. I can only assume that if they took part in a secret vote, then they voted for him.
To my senators: Don't come crying to me about donations in "10 & "12., I will be supporting your Democratic opponent in the primaries and will show up at the polls. I have no motivation to vote for you in '10 or '12 and although I can't bring myself to vote Republican, I will be an under vote.
We will not get 60 Democrats. Give it up. Lieberman should have been handed his papers and told to walk. He's an embarrassment as a Democrat, he's a continuing obstacle to any agreement that makes real Israeli/Palestinian peace possible. The war will never end if Lieberman has his way...need I go on?
The GOP had the Hammer; we get the Nevada shoeshine boy.
Any wonder why our side gets rolled--or simply rolls over on its own--anytime there's a matter of any consequence?
I made my calls yesterday and this morning.
Obviously it didn't help.
We shall see what comes out of this mess.
Change we asked for. This decision is just MORE OF THE SAME.
I will not give money or volunteer work for the Democratic NC.
Shame! Shame!
No spine. No principles. No integrity.
We voted for this?
Pennship17
Whenever there is an issue that first and foremost the netroots primarily cares about (FISA, Lieberman), and even if the case can be clearly made that action has to be taken, there seems to be a cadre of pundits, Washington insiders, and anonymous aides, that set things up for Senators-for-life to do whatever we're against, not based on the merits of being against our position, but to stick it the liberal netroots and the broader left grassroots in order for them to prove they are reasonable and bipartisan, and that they "know" better than us about how things are done and what's best for the country.
This Lieberman situation was so clean cut I'm pretty astounded. I honestly believe that if the netroots said and did nothing to fit this there would be harsher consequences for Lieberman today. I wouldn' t think that grown middle-aged men and women would be as petulant as they are to go against anything tied to the amorphous "left", but I can't think of any other explanation.
If this explains their behavior, then it's time to start a massive campaign of reverse psychology to maybe get the results we want and expect. I mean there's many ways for the people we elected to stick it to the left and look more noble and wise in the process.
I, for one, would be appalled if say, Patrick Leahy became Majority Leader. And I think I can speak for all of us by saying that we fully support Steny Hoyner, and would be shocked, and of course, irrationally angry, if say, one Henry Waxman was put into Hoyner's House leadership position.
Anyone else want to join in?
Oh wait...
The country is in a shambles, and this is what we get?
None for Rape Gurney Joe, and none for those who legitimized his lying and backstabbing with their vote, today.
Take away his chairmanship, and he reveals really evil Senate Democratic stuff.
Blackmail, can't be any other reason.
Does anyone know if you can request the return of contributions to the DSCC ??
http://thesebastards.blogspot.com/
Dems want a larger number of senators on their team.
So they keep Lieberman even thought he may have cost the Dems the senate seat in MN?
Great logic.
I'm from Connecticut, and old enough to have been a witness to Lieberman's entire political career. I am proud to say that I have never -- NEVER -- voted for Joe Lieberman since he first ran for Senate. True liberals realized from the start that Joe was most definitely NOT a Democrat. He ran against Republican Senator Lowell Weicker at the behest of conservative Republicans who thought Weicker was too liberal.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_...
When William F. Buckley loves you, what are you? Not a liberal Democrat... and certainly not a progressive one.
When we, the voters of Connecticut, elected Ned Lamont in a free and fair primary, our choice was subverted by Joe's Republicans, who voted against their own candidate to keep their boy Joe in the Senate. And Joe repaid them by protecting the Bush Administration (do you forget he promised to investigate the Katrina failure, and then did nothing? Have you forgotten that he supported Bush on Iraq with every fiber of his wizened self?) Then he went out an campaigned viciously against Obama and other Democratic candidates. He has NO place in the Democratic caucus. He never did. And we've just lost our only chance to get rid of him in favor of someone who will work for us, not against us. Why? Because DINOs like Harry Reid saved Joe's ass again. Look around -- what has Harry Reid done for the last eight years, against the war, against torture, for human rights, for gay rights, for ANYTHING we stand for? Nada.
Obama isn't going to get anything done with "friends" like Joe Lieberman. Obama isn't much of a liberal/progressive to begin with, (remember the telecom vote?) but I thought that with a vocal citizenry and backed up by a correct-thinking Congress, he'd do those things we want. But with these guys in the Senate, I'm losing hope by the day.
So no. It 's not about retribution. It's about wanting Change we can believe in. With these guys in office, we can't believe in one damn thing.
I am sure that a large part of the people that (will / would) vote would be strong supporters of the candidates.
I wonder how many of the net roots will just not show up because they are disgusted with this situation?
I would take a Martin in Georgia over Lieberman getting a lower chairmanship and him bolting the party any day of the week.
It would have really increased turnout in Georgia for Martin. That is my uneducated guess.
And for the record, I meant Allen Buckley. Barkley was the 3rd party candidate in MN. my goof.
Liberman has many by their short hairs, why?
AIPAC?
This man is a traitor. Brown nosing comes with the territory, but being a traitor does not. Not sure how the people of CT feel about him - if they were as disgusted as the rest of us they could recall his ass.
Chorus of Democrats : what about "our guy"
LIEberman : i will support john mccain
Chorus of Democrats : as long as you don't campaign for the republican...
LIEberman : i endorse, enthusiastically support, and will campaign for john mccain while trashing obama.
Chorus of Democrats : as long as you steer clear of the RNC convention...
LIEberman : i will be a featured speaker at the RNC convention
Chorus of Democrats : just don't go Zell on us
LIEberman : my name isn't Zell it's Joe the Independent and i'd like to introduce you to another authentic 'merican (unlike that elitist, exotic guy you're running) joe-the-plu...
Chorus of Democrats : we're not interested in another republican-media creation/fantasy
LIEberman : hey look it's Sarah from wasilla
Chorus of Democrats : she's stupid but she sure is hot
LIEberman : well, i'm going to party with the other folks
Chorus of Democrats : you do that and we're over. we're breaking up. we're going to win enough senate races that you won't be able to hold us hostage anymore!
LIEberman : go cheney yourself
Chorus of Democrats : well... we're going to.... strip you of your powerful position.
LIEberman : losing my committee chairmanship would be unacceptable
Chorus of Democrats : ok, sorry. figured we'd ask anyway
LIEberman : that's right
Chorus of Democrats : can we get back together?
LIEberman : we'll see
Here's where he can do the most damage, he sits in on the Dem caucus legislative strategy sessions, and passes that info on to the Repukes, giving them the upper hand in negotiating the details of specific legislation, which is where the BULK of the work in the Senate happens.
Big gamble. Given he's proven untrustworthy, I'd sure as hell not go along with this.
Lieberman will not vote with the Dems on issues they want, he'll vote Republican. Who on earth cares if he would have switched to the Republican party? He's already in their pocket.
Or should I say, he's in the pocket of anyone who will favor Lieberman. He's in this for himself, and has been for years. He doesn't rep the people of CT, and never has...
Tool.
It just doesn't make sense.
Now on a personal opinion I'd love to see Senator Lieberman assigned as the chairman of the committee on silly walks.
But at a cost?
A probable Senate loss in MN, due to Lieberman.
And maybe a loss in Georgia even if Obama shows up, now that urgency of grass roots people in Georgia are getting fed up with politicians.
Well know you know,,,
Lieberman held no hearings into Bush admin and Bush will most likely pardon himself & his admin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stu-kreisman/spin...
The DC leadership of the party hasn't acted in the country or party's best interest over the last many years in my opinion.
I hope Mr. Obama can change this through a deft use of the bully pulpit...
I wish the Office of the President-elect would scrub the cheap lawyer's office look of the latest video releases...move the bully pulpit away from the background and allow a little natural or artificial mood lighting/shadowing of the background, please.
He hasn't exactly been showing "no hard feelings" for the past two years, and I don't see him turning over a new leaf...
For those of use who worked our butts off to get a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate, this was a slap in the face.
can't see why her staff won't answer the question. The person who
answered the phone waffled between saying maybe in a couple of days...
or maybe not at all. I said he could lose the attitude and let her
know that she needs to let her constituents know how she voted in this
matter. It's as if elections don't matter, and that they all belong to
some kind of sick club with the sole focus of preserving its pathos.
The Dems will have better luck soliciting center Republicans than each and every Democrat. Will Roger's comment about not belonging to an organized party is truer than ever.
congressional democrats (house and senate) = lucy
progressive agenda/stuff we want = football.
hardly surprising, its been this way since we pushed them into office in 2006 and THEY GAVE BUSH EVERYTHING HE WANTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN.
Lets face it.. the Congressial Democrats in the House and Senate care more about each other then any of us, and it will always be that way.
So its obvious that the Democrats didnt listen to us, so I guess they dont need our votes anymore..
Progressive Party anyone???
My answer will be, why would I give you money, when you support people who attack my leader and my ideas.
F@#{ you DNC!
Why de helk did I give you money? I want it back!
K.
I called my senator on numerous occasions and pretty much told her; (Senator Boxes) to grow a spine and do the will of the people.
When her term is up we need to rid her and her ilk from office.
I am totally upset that a turn-coat, traitor like Joe the backstabber can go about business as if nothing was said with the aide of these spineless DemocaRATs!
Check please
That's right. A FAILURE.
I won't forget. From now on, not one cent goes to the Democratic Party. I will give directly to those who stood up for integrity like Harkin, Bernie and Leahy.
Joe LIEberman is the 21st century incarnation of Judah Benjamin, Like Benjamin, he deserved to be exiled after his crusade failed. But the Democrats wimped out again as they always do.
See “Why Can’t We (at least pretend to) Be Friends?” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkS6qZg4mo4
BE A GOOD AMERICAN. SHARE THIS VIDEO WITH A POLITICAL ADVERSARY!!
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the fact of the matter is the two party system is a joke and the inauspicious start of the Obama admin. is proof. corporate party a and corporate party b are buddy buddy behind closed doors, and owe their ultimate allegiance to their corporate paymasters. 3rd party candidates are the only solutions for real progressives. there is no progress or change within the democratic party. they are much worse and corrupt than the republican party, and we all know how corrupt those guys are. the fact of the matter is that democrats are worse because they pretend to stand for some sort of principles, but in the end, once the facade is broken, we see what they are really made of.
think of all those hopeful grassroots and netroots activists who bought into Obama's act wholesale. gave money, knocked on doors, convinced their family to vote dem. now they look and see rahm, larry summers, hawk hilary at secretary of state, joementum emerges unscathed, no tortue justice, the war machine simply changing venues, etc, etc, etc.
cry your eyes out idiots. and next time you want to mock 3rd party candidates as "irrelevant," go ahead. your vote is irrelevant, your opinion is irrelevant, only your money is relevant you mark, you monkey, you serf.
oh but dont take my word for it, just ask chris hedges what he thinks: truthdig.com