AMERICAblog: Serial homophobia is a hell of a way for Mormons to seek respect
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
It's phony , so phony...some of the best sex I've ever had was with Mormon missionary boys who came to my door and stayed the afternoon. Fuck them. (well I did but). This is bullshit. There are more fucking Larry Craigs in the Mormon church than any other. Closet cases who are constantly horny. They are a fucking crazy cult and should have their tax exempt pulled. Ever seen any of the MT Choir men? Gaydar goes off the scale.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Yeah, you got there first but I was about to same very similar things. Hot? Oh, my! The gay porn hall of fame is overstocked with Mormon boiz.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
an escort buddy of ours works salt lake city every month ...told me he has several elders as regulars...all btms
vickif
· 1 year ago
My oldest son went to the University Of Utah in Salt Lake City for his doctorate and boy the stories he told me about going to gay clubs and all the fine young men he found who said they were Mormans. If he wasn't in a committed relationship he said he would never have gone without sex for any length of time.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
apparently SLC is as horny as SFO
interlude
· 1 year ago
o my! what was your come-on line? i need some latter-day-sex!
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
naw a few nude drawings in the LR did it
interlude
· 1 year ago
haha
Webster
· 1 year ago
By the way, the founder of the choir left Utah with his young, blonde boyfriend. Check out the book "Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example" by D. Michael Quinn (former head of the History Department at BYU) published by the University of Illinois Press. The church tried to ban the publication of the book and did intimidate the Press enough to change the cover (which had a picture of the Choir founder and his boyfriend on it) and also forced them to remove a couple of pages of information.
The Mormon Church doesn't believe in freedom of the press either.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
I love watching the MTC sing on TV...all those hot tenors and basses. There is a hint of mint in that choir!
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
one other possibility: that there are more than a few self-loathing closet cases in the LDS leadership. it only takes a few at the top to herd the mormon sheep.
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
It isn't just homophobia they advocate. They actually sanction torture for gays.
I grew up in a VERY mormon area and know a couple of (former) mormons that went through church-run reparative therapy involving electroshock treatment to "cure" them of their homosexuality.
These people are EVIL folks.
kcjoe
· 1 year ago
Its the oppression that makes them so horny. lol
AdrianBrowne
· 1 year ago
Haider's deputy reveals gay affair
"Conservative Austria was in a state of shock today after the male successor to Jörg Haider admitted to having a longstanding “special relationship” with the far right leader who died dramatically in a high speed car crash earlier this month."
The Mormon Church is a major stakeholder in the vast right-wing conspiracy. The talking point about respect from other religions is total bunk.
Who owns the Boy Scouts? Mormons in Congress is a topical controversy.
And, Mormons have donated millions against Gay marriage here in Arizona.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 1 year ago
a lot of younger folks aren't aware that the Mormons started this crap in the early 90s in hawaii and alaska. millions of mormon bucks went into amending those state constitutions, which served as a model for 20 some odd other states that followed suit.
btw, fivethirtyeight.com has a new post up on prop 8. nate thinks it's a toss up.
Saffi
· 1 year ago
Can someone explain the rules regarding this kind of thing? I thought that if an organization participated in politics it lost its tax-exempt status.
Also - anyone who wants to learn more about the LDC Church should read John Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven." It starts out talking about the break-away fundamentalists, who "regular" Mormons consider heretics, but it also gives a pretty thorough background in the history of the Mormons in the 19th century.
(Caveat: Not sure whether it was an official position of the church, but the book was denounced by Mormon groups as biased and inflammatory. Having read it and having already known a bit about the subject, I found it very respectful.)
kcjoe
· 1 year ago
I'm gong to assume they set up some type of PAC that is giving the money. You are correct that they would lose their 503(c) status by giving these contributions directly. But, if a PAC is set up to do it for them, then its all personal money at that point.
devis1
· 1 year ago
Read that book this summer too--very good. Saw on C-Span book tv recently a book written by three morman 'historians' which attemps to absolve Brigham Young of any responsibility for the Mountains Meadows massacre. Can't remember name of it and really can't be bothered doing the google!
skeptic
· 1 year ago
I have been of the opinion that all churches should lose their tax exempt status. Many of them conduct profitable businesses on the side and should be taxed like everyone else, except big business of course.
RobertSanDimas
· 1 year ago
Absolutely, skeptic. I agree wholeheartedly. Some of the pastors of megachurches rake in millions for their personal use and they live in lavish homes. They live way WAY better than most of us here, I'd bet. Churches are profitmaking businesses now. They need to pay tax like the rest of American businesses. And for sure they make more that $250,000. Wish I did.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
If they are going to be backing propositions and candidates I AGREE 100%!!!!
They should not be able to force their views on others in that manner! If I agree with their stance I will join/support their church. Otherwise, they need to BUTT OUT!
ivyfree
· 1 year ago
And they CHOSE to be different.
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
One of the things I find curious is that several sources state the the Catholic Church is one of the biggest ( if not THE biggest) contributor to Yes on 8, mostly through the Knights of Columbus, and yet everyone is screaming about the Mormons. Are people afraid to let the Catholics have it? Don't get me wrong, I think we should be screaming about the Mormons. I have done a lot of research about them and they are one frightening organization. At any time they have over 50,000 missionaries worldwide. They are the fastest growing cult in the world. And yes, as late as the nineties they attached electrodes to gay mens testicles to try to shock the gay out of them. So scream away, but save some righteous anger for the Catholics.
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
I honestly don't think there is any comparison between the two. As John pointed out, 2% of the voting population here is mormon. I don't know the percentage of Roman Catholic voters in California but I would suspect it's a bit higher than 2%.
It's mostly the conservative sub-groups and factions of the Catholic church that are actively supporting Prop 8 here in California, whereas the entire mormon church does.
We have a fairly large Hispanic population in California and many are Catholic. That is definitely a factor. I don't think it means quite what some people think it does. You would be amazed how many Hispanic Californians don't let their religion dictate how they vote. It's quite different from the cult of mormonism.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
4. A lot of their men secretly smoke pole...
mellowjohn
· 1 year ago
maybe they can only feel like a "real" religion if they can force other people to conform to their beliefs.
sherifffruitfly
· 1 year ago
They're gearing up for a Romney run.
tom_in_boston
· 1 year ago
Dear John,
Add to your list of 3 things you know about Mormons:
# 4. They have really creepy beliefs about "cleanliness" and underwear. Check out the wiki entry and pictures at:
Love the fact that "the temple garment is worn as a religious vesture beneath the clothing of those who have taken part in the Endowment ceremony."
Endowment ceremony? What's that all about?
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
They do penis enlargements.
cosanostradamus
· 1 year ago
. These "Latter Day Saints" need to be treated as the totally wacko cult they are. They've been systemically guilty of mass murder, child molesting, abuse of women, racism and homophobia since their inception. They have penetrated our government to an unbelievable degree, especially the FBI, and they have a degree of influence most people are totally unaware of. Put them on Obama's "To-Do" list. .
Seriously, this is one of the weirdest cults I've ever read about. Golden tablets only one person could translate? An angel named Moron(i)? Those who started this cult were as psychotic as Abraham who influenced 3 others.
Neutral
· 1 year ago
I agree wholeheartedly that most religious groups are wacko and should lose their tax exempt status and as a non-religious person myself, it's very hard to relate to someone who's really into their religion. But to be fair, I recently met and became friends with two Mormons this year who have both proven to be super nice. It made me realize how biased I have been about organized religion because I have always found it so oppressive and had no use for it. One is younger than 18 so can't vote but both are supporting Obama, seem to be very gay-friendly and tolerant and disagree with a lot of stuff done by the "higher ups" in their name. Neither live in Utah anymore. The reason they still identify as Mormon is because their family identifies that way and they have other positive associations it. They still agree with some of the basic tenets of the church, like good manners, community work, being nice to your neighbor etc. Just a reminder that not every member or a religious group is a bad brainwashed person who takes their ancient holy texts literally. Some just seem to dig being part of this kind of group for whatever reason. As long as it's not forced on me, I've tried to be better about keeping an open mind since that is what I hope from others about my views. So whoever is leading this charge against prop 8 in the Mormon church, attack them vigorously, but don't impune every member of the group because there are always exceptions.
triple7s
· 1 year ago
For years I've read little bits and pieces about a coming scandal in the MORMON CHURCH concerning the SEXUAL and EMOTIONAL ABUSE of CHILDREN. Could it be they are just trying to focus the outrage away from their own?
astrodem
· 1 year ago
John, I think you've got the story right, but you're missing part of the picture. Yes, the LDS crowd is looking to build credibility with the mainline Protestant Evangelicals, but there's another dimension to what's going on here that's even more important. As the GOP and movement conservatism move further and further to the right and become increasingly dominated by their fundamentalist base, traditional Republican revenue streams opposed to religious fundamentalism are going to start drying up. Funding anti-gay ballot measures is as much about making LDS ADHERENTS palatable as it is about making LDS MONEY palatable to the broader Evangelical movement.
woodka
· 1 year ago
They wanna play politics, TAX THEM.
I am SICK of churches being political and buying signs for their members and telling them how to vote.
Enough of this crap. Get out of politics, or pay taxes if you don't want to be quiet.
Republicans in 200 and 2004 were building their campaign canvassing lists off church directories gioven to them by the churches. It's just WRONG.
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
Neutral- I was waiting for your comment. It inevitably comes--the defense of a hideous organization because you have met a few nice members of it. I'm glad you are open minded-i encourage it. But your open mindedness should also include the thought that by remaining in the Mormon church your friends are defacto enablers of its evil. I know it's not cool to make the comparison, but I think it is apt: Would you defend the institution of the KKK because you knew a few "nice" members who didn't believe everything the the "higher ups" did? Or were members because their family always has been? If you are really interested in being fair, you will allow others to rightly attack an INSTITUTION and its POLICIES without this lame line of apologia. We live in a world where there are choices of which religion one belongs to. You don't have to belong to any religion. Yes, it may be uncomfortable but if your friends do not agree with the Mormon church or its "higher ups" they should get the hell out. If they stay in because of "positive associations" while the church works its evil ways, then I say shame on them. And shame on you for pandering to them. I'm sure they are nice people, but I would remind you, to quote Stephen Sondheim "Nice is different than good."
Neutral
· 1 year ago
You make a good point and honestly I shared your same point of view just a few months ago. I think systematic oppression needs to be unraveled, be it religion, patriarchy, whatever. I am always in favor of attacking power at the core. Institutional practices like the ones this group is engaging in should never be condoned and the only way I personally would know how to manage that is to reject that institution out of hand. Perhaps I am just trying to justify becoming friends with these people, but they were just SO nice that it's really hard to associate them with anything evil. I tried to see their point of view since they tried to explain it to me. I think they are both young too and maybe in time, they will reach the same conclusion that they can't reconcile their own values with the values of an institution that does such reprehensible things. That's my hope anyway. But it was a good reminder to check myself sometimes - that was the only point I wanted to make. I'm trying to practice this idea that Obama has brought up about listening and communicating with those you disagree with. Thanks for the response.
DavidinPS
· 1 year ago
Neutral- Thanks for the thoughtful response. I really was just reacting to this thing I find all too common: Neutering our ability to make a strong attack against the enemy by saying "well, there are a few nice ones." Perhaps I was a little harsh, but this has become one of those things that just makes me crazy. Part of it is fueled by my frustration echoed above by BobbyJoe that the gay community just seems to steadfastly REFUSE to look upon those who would do us harm as our enemies and act accordingly. I understand taking a softer public approach if it serves our political goals, but in general we have simply GOT to start looking upon the Mormons, the Catholics, the Fundies etc as our Institutional enemies.They are out to do us harm!! It doesn't matter that they smile while they bludgeon us. We can regret that there may be individual members who don't fit the mold, but they are complicit the actions of the larger group by their association and/or lack of action. I'm not saying don't listen to and communicate with them. That's always good. I am pleading for people not to use the fact that they have met a couple of "nice" Mormons as a reason not to attack where attacking is totally appropriate. Otherwise we will be "niced" into oblivion.
stymie
· 1 year ago
I agree 1000% That is way over the line. I believe in higher power, thus I will give my money to myself in the name of my belief and declare myself a church and pay no taxes. WTF
Mike
· 1 year ago
How is it that they haven't run afoul of the IRS? There has to be some sort of paper trail that accounts for how the LDS Church has managed to insert itself into politics so successfully.
fostert
· 1 year ago
Amazingly, nobody has mentioned this yet, so I will. The Mormons believe it's okay to marry a dead person. It seems rather strange that they would be the ones defending "traditional marriage."
Webster
· 1 year ago
Posted this below--but I thought i would pop it up because it's something people should know:
By the way, the founder of the choir left Utah with his young, blonde boyfriend. Check out the book "Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example" by D. Michael Quinn (former head of the History Department at BYU) published by the University of Illinois Press. The church tried to ban the publication of the book and did intimidate the Press enough to change the cover (which had a picture of the Choir founder and his boyfriend on it) and also forced them to remove a couple of pages of information.
The Mormon Church doesn't believe in freedom of the press either.
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
Saddling up, John? Don't you mean sidling up?
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
God created Donnie and Marie just to piss me off.
bobbyjoe
· 1 year ago
In July of 1974, the Mormons tried to deny a 12 year old African-American boy senior patrol leadership because of his race. This was one of several similar cases. It was the Mormon church's policy that African-Americans could not hold any leadership positions (in the Boy Scouts and elsewhere). The NAACP filed suit but just as the case was about to reach federal court, the Mormon church suddenly had a "revelation" reversing this openly racist policy, conveniently right before the pretty much universal scorn of the nation was about to come pouring down on their heads.
Why on earth doesn't the gay rights movement know-- and actively use-- the Mormon's historically vile record on matters like these? They have a specific pattern of being absolutely disgusting on civil rights issues and the Mormons do NOT want to talk about this, and they sure as heck don't want to re-open the can of worms about their relatively recent racist past. Had the pro-gay "No on Prop 8" campaign made it known to the Mormon church from the very beginning that if the Mormon church started interfering and pouring money into an anti-same-sex marriage campaign in California, we, in turn, would immediately start producing commercials that delved into and reminded voters of issues like that 1974 Boy Scouts case and their inexcusably racist past, I'm betting you would have seen 'em duck back to Utah faster than you can say "irreparable public relations damage."
So why didn't "No on Prop 8" play hardball when it should have? Touchy-feely doesn't always cut it when you're having to oppose blatantly bigotry. We can definitely appeal to people's better natures for those who are undecided (or actually have "better natures"), but when are we gonna learn that we have to back that up with a heapin' helpin' of "don't f**k with us" toward the most unrepentant bigots?
scottinsf
· 1 year ago
I like to think that our side has given them the rope and shown them exactly how a noose is tied.
I think the mormon cult has seeded a backlash like they've never seen before, whether Prop 8 passes or not.
Webster
· 1 year ago
Hypocrites.
Read "Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example" by D. Michael Quinn (former head of the History Department at BYU) published by the University of Illinois Press.
There was a lot of high-level fooling around going on in the Mormon Church in its early days--and it just wasn't limited to many opposite sex wives.
stranded
· 1 year ago
What I find most curious about all this is that one of the standard excuses for being against gay marriage is that it will open the doors to polygamy. It's really strange that the Mormons would side with those people, though obviously they have their own made-up excuses. Everybody seems to have a "good reason" why they're forced by god to discriminate.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
I have always seen Israel doing the same thing. After thousands of years of persecution, AND being given their own country in reparation, they immediately set about treating everyone around them like shit. You would think that Jews, and Mormons and all the rest would have a little more understanding and humility, but I guess I would be wrong.
By this reasoning, it's time for Gay people to build a nuclear missile and start treating Straights like shit- you know, for the respect...???
rextrek1
· 1 year ago
The ONLY Good thing about Mormons is HBO's "BIG LOVE"....otherwise they suck. Hey chk this out from Ron Howard:
There's something rather sexy about them, and the movie "Latter Days" is one of my favorites.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Separation of church and state? One central "teaching" of the Mormon church is that a time will come when the US constitution "hangs by a thread" and it is their priesthood who will "rescue" it.
To understand the underlying evil of this religion whose members believe they are "in this world, but not of this world," Under The Banner of Heaven is a must read.
JamesR
· 1 year ago
Mormons had to give up 'plural marriage' in order for Utah to become a state. It was messy, harsh, brutal, they sundered and bitterly fought amongst themselves and frankly may not have recovered. They changed. Gay marriage brings this all back. They gave up their Great Grandmothers so Hell no: you can't have a husband or wife. They fled form state to state from territory to territory, persecuted by the State, then made the choice to become PART OF the State. They resent being thought of as wacky, which is really tough considering the really batshit things they believe. Resentment coupled with a desire for approval are very base, and often the baser the emotion the more cash that follows.
macmom
· 1 year ago
It would be great if you and everyone here could let people know that even if they can't give money, they can still help by volunteering for the call from home phone bank. You can be any where in the U.S. Here's the link http://www.noonprop8.com/action/phone-bank/sign...
The South Park episode on the Mormon church was an eye-opener. Then I read Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven', which scared the bejeebus out of me, LDS is nothing more than a money-grubbing, ant-American cult. Arizona has the highest concentration of FLDS polygamous groups in the states, what has McCain done to stop the abuse of children in these conclaves?
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has several elders as regulars...all btms
The Mormon Church doesn't believe in freedom of the press either.
is a hint of mint in that choir!
I grew up in a VERY mormon area and know a couple of (former) mormons that went through church-run reparative therapy involving electroshock treatment to "cure" them of their homosexuality.
These people are EVIL folks.
"Conservative Austria was in a state of shock today after the male successor to Jörg Haider admitted to having a longstanding “special relationship” with the far right leader who died dramatically in a high speed car crash earlier this month."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/...
Who owns the Boy Scouts? Mormons in Congress is a topical controversy.
And, Mormons have donated millions against Gay marriage here in Arizona.
btw, fivethirtyeight.com has a new post up on prop 8. nate thinks it's a toss up.
Also - anyone who wants to learn more about the LDC Church should read John Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven." It starts out talking about the break-away fundamentalists, who "regular" Mormons consider heretics, but it also gives a pretty thorough background in the history of the Mormons in the 19th century.
(Caveat: Not sure whether it was an official position of the church, but the book was denounced by Mormon groups as biased and inflammatory. Having read it and having already known a bit about the subject, I found it very respectful.)
They should not be able to force their views on others in that manner! If I agree with their stance I will join/support their church. Otherwise, they need to BUTT OUT!
It's mostly the conservative sub-groups and factions of the Catholic church that are actively supporting Prop 8 here in California, whereas the entire mormon church does.
We have a fairly large Hispanic population in California and many are Catholic. That is definitely a factor. I don't think it means quite what some people think it does. You would be amazed how many Hispanic Californians don't let their religion dictate how they vote. It's quite different from the cult of mormonism.
Add to your list of 3 things you know about Mormons:
# 4. They have really creepy beliefs about "cleanliness" and underwear. Check out the wiki entry and pictures at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
Love the fact that "the temple garment is worn as a religious vesture beneath the clothing of those who have taken part in the Endowment ceremony."
Endowment ceremony? What's that all about?
These "Latter Day Saints" need to be treated as the totally wacko cult they are. They've been systemically guilty of mass murder, child molesting, abuse of women, racism and homophobia since their inception. They have penetrated our government to an unbelievable degree, especially the FBI, and they have a degree of influence most people are totally unaware of. Put them on Obama's "To-Do" list.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEtzu_6LpYE&eurl...
The American Conservative: Is there more to John McCain’s rage than just bad temper? A psychotherapist puts the candidate on the couch.
Please post and excerpt.
Seriously, this is one of the weirdest cults I've ever read about. Golden tablets only one person could translate? An angel named Moron(i)? Those who started this cult were as psychotic as Abraham who influenced 3 others.
I am SICK of churches being political and buying signs for their members and telling them how to vote.
Enough of this crap. Get out of politics, or pay taxes if you don't want to be quiet.
Republicans in 200 and 2004 were building their campaign canvassing lists off church directories gioven to them by the churches. It's just WRONG.
By the way, the founder of the choir left Utah with his young, blonde boyfriend. Check out the book "Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example" by D. Michael Quinn (former head of the History Department at BYU) published by the University of Illinois Press. The church tried to ban the publication of the book and did intimidate the Press enough to change the cover (which had a picture of the Choir founder and his boyfriend on it) and also forced them to remove a couple of pages of information.
The Mormon Church doesn't believe in freedom of the press either.
Why on earth doesn't the gay rights movement know-- and actively use-- the Mormon's historically vile record on matters like these? They have a specific pattern of being absolutely disgusting on civil rights issues and the Mormons do NOT want to talk about this, and they sure as heck don't want to re-open the can of worms about their relatively recent racist past. Had the pro-gay "No on Prop 8" campaign made it known to the Mormon church from the very beginning that if the Mormon church started interfering and pouring money into an anti-same-sex marriage campaign in California, we, in turn, would immediately start producing commercials that delved into and reminded voters of issues like that 1974 Boy Scouts case and their inexcusably racist past, I'm betting you would have seen 'em duck back to Utah faster than you can say "irreparable public relations damage."
So why didn't "No on Prop 8" play hardball when it should have? Touchy-feely doesn't always cut it when you're having to oppose blatantly bigotry. We can definitely appeal to people's better natures for those who are undecided (or actually have "better natures"), but when are we gonna learn that we have to back that up with a heapin' helpin' of "don't f**k with us" toward the most unrepentant bigots?
I think the mormon cult has seeded a backlash like they've never seen before, whether Prop 8 passes or not.
Read "Same-Sex Dynamics among Nineteenth-Century Americans: A Mormon Example" by D. Michael Quinn (former head of the History Department at BYU) published by the University of Illinois Press.
There was a lot of high-level fooling around going on in the Mormon Church in its early days--and it just wasn't limited to many opposite sex wives.
By this reasoning, it's time for Gay people to build a nuclear missile and start treating Straights like shit- you know, for the respect...???
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d
There's something rather sexy about them, and the movie "Latter Days" is one of my favorites.
To understand the underlying evil of this religion whose members believe they are "in this world, but not of this world," Under The Banner of Heaven is a must read.
Then I read Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven', which scared the bejeebus out of me, LDS is nothing more than a money-grubbing, ant-American cult.
Arizona has the highest concentration of FLDS polygamous groups in the states, what has McCain done to stop the abuse of children in these conclaves?