The guy's been cheating on his wife ever since they said "I do." Do you really think he stopped after he was out of the White House when he had no problem doing it when he was in the White House?
As soon as he started those book tours to college campuses, I was thinking "Oh man, that sounds like trouble."
dad
· 1 year ago
for over 20 years!
i would have left.
what does this say about her judgement.
why hasn't she distanced herself from him?
does she share his views on marriage?
vwcat
· 1 year ago
I've been hearing rumors for a few years. I read last year when they were in the Hamptons some in the know were saying that the marriage is a front for Hillary's political career and that Bill has several girlfriends around. Commonsense would say that if Bill has been messing around all his adult life then, it is hard to believe he suddenly changed and went all faithfull after Monica. Right.
dad
· 1 year ago
sounds like Bill has vetted many
vwcat
· 1 year ago
Dad, lol.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
I supported HIllary before I opposed her.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
OT:
Here we go:
Voter purging in Indiana districts with African Americans and College Students.
"Nights out find him zipping around Los Angeles..."
"unzipping" would be more accurate.
thoughtcrime
· 1 year ago
I wonder if the private jet includes a strippper pole like Tony Stark's in the "Iron Man" movie.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Shouldn't all the lies, the vicious attacks, the still to be revealed secrets, the unrevealed donor lists, the connections to slimy characters, the continuous stories of Bill's philandering, the yet to be explained pardons, ALL remind many Democrats of how secretive and divisive the Bill Clinton WH was, and that we DO NOT want to go through this garbage again? I wish the Hillary supporters opened up their brains just a wee bit.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
"it is hard to believe he suddenly changed and went all faithful after Monica. Right."
Exactly. And had Hillary left Bill many years ago, would she be a Senator today? Running for President? Some couples have an arrangement. Granted it is not for everybody. Would I put up with someone like Bill to further my career? No f*cking way, but then I am not Hillary.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
dad for over 20 years!
i would have left.
what does this say about her judgement.
why hasn't she distanced herself from him?
does she share his views on marriage? ----
funny, given the shit her marriage is made of, maybe she's just saving the GLBT community from her pain by saying she doesn't support gay marriage?
thanks so much hillary.... not.
.
lilybart
· 1 year ago
I live in NYC and we know all the connected people in every field and Bill is still a horndog. And there are so many other problems with the other donations and his personal business. A never ending fountain of crap for the general election.
I think this is one of the reasons I don't want Hillary. I don't want to relive all this crap and I fear huge mountains of new Bill Crap.
I used to be a huge supporter, wanting to go back, have Bill in the White House again, but now, I would rather go to the future with Obama than back in time.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
When I was at Yale in the seventies, the mens locker room area of the gym was a notorious trysting place for quickie oral sex. A labrynth of lockers, and showers, and hidden little corners for all sorts of "gay until graduation" goings on. No names...no connections...just good quickie gay sex.
When Bill ran for Prez in '92, an awful lot of us sort of raised an eyebrow..."does he look familiar?"
You can do that math. Bill loves a good lip lock on his one-eyed weasel and the gender, at least in the seventies, was a moot point.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Bill Clinton seems addicted to sex, and people with addictions cannot control their urges. Obviously, he must be extra careful now, and covering his tracks well. Voters have to ask themselves if they want this couple with their extra heavy, yet to be revealed, baggage, back in the WH, and with so much at stake for this country, do we need another Clinton term.? It will be back to secretive pardons, Roger Clinton and the Rodham brothers and their antics, nepotism, Lincoln bedroom being rented to prospective donors, all the dishonest "gates" again, the right wingers attacking the Democrats every day, and all the crap that the Clintons put this country too. Aren't we sick of these Bush and Clinton families, and the mess they put this country in?
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
Here's the actual Slate intro to the book review:
"Carol Felsenthal's new book about Bill Clinton's post-presidential years, Clinton in Exile, is often catty, occasionally malicious, and overly reliant on unnamed sources. It's also pretty boring; when Felsenthal's not muckraking, she's content to trot out newspaper accounts of Clinton's foundation work and his appearances on the guest-speaker circuit. So don't bother reading all 313 pages."
Seems like much ado about nothing.
McCain cheated on his first wife and actually left her for the mistress. I doubt very much his campaign will seek to make marital fidelity an issue.
dad
· 1 year ago
McCain cheated on his first wife and actually left her for the mistress. While he was President of the United States - with a 19 year-old intern and a cigar?
SteamingPile
· 1 year ago
Monica was 22. Besides, what difference does it make? 19 is legal in all 50 states. At least McCain is too old for this to be much of a problem.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
Dad:
I'm going from memory here, but I believe McCain left his wife after she became disabled and after she waited for him to come home from Nam. It wasn't pretty.
Say what you want about former President Clinton, but when it comes to maintaining a marriage John McCain will not be throwing mud on this issue.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Something the Obama camp should use.
Clinton in 2005 agreed with McCain plan about staying in Iraq longer.
Ah, another giant distraction from the REAL issues.
hopelesspedant
· 1 year ago
(Obama supporter here).
If any recent Bill Clinton philandering comes out during the campaign, wouldn't John McCain's history (and keep in mind he, unlike Bill, is a candidate) also then be explored?
So in the general election this might not be as big a deal.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
ericgoldman
McCain cheated on his first wife and actually left her for the mistress. I doubt very much his campaign will seek to make marital fidelity an issue. ---
true... and to my knowledge, bill has never called hillary a cunt in front of other people.
mccain's temper is going to be the talking point I think... halfway through Cliff's book, mccain is REALLY fucked in the head.
smiling_dog
· 1 year ago
Doom "our" chances in the fall? I don't consider Hillary Clinton as a part of an "us". If she steals the nomination I will vote for McCain rather than stay home, just to double up my protest vote. That will be even better than voting for Nader.
GrandEd
· 1 year ago
For those of us in this business for as long as I've been in it, we've heard rumors for ever about Bill's proclivity to chase strange.
And, don't forget the "rumors" that floated for years about Hillary and her fun times. If I'm not mistaken, Anonymous, aka Joe Klein, wrote in "Primary Colors" about her and a key campaign aide in the 92 race. Of course, that was fiction. lol
You're absolutely correct, if this isn't vetted, as Hillary calls it, the 527s etc will have a field day with it should she win the nomination. Let's get it out now.
SteamingPile
· 1 year ago
"...rather than discussing why John McCain is too old and too conservative to be president."
Not to mention too old to have sex with chicks young enough to be his granddaughters. Eww.
Aanya
· 1 year ago
Too bad! I say we just go with Obama!
When are we going to start dragging out McCain's Monicas?
Upland_Oddball
· 1 year ago
At he core of these rumors is a kernel of hard truth that cannot be denied away. Bill Clinton, for all of his obvious intelligence and devotion to wonkery, has a need for spening alone time with obivious fellow "Horn-Dogs." He not only has a drive to seek out such friends, but to get into the purient gutter with them and play "one-ups" with them in terms of sexual and frat-boy exploits. Ron Burkle isn't the only one. Doesn't anybody remember Bills very close Buddy-dom with the notorious Dick "Foot-Fetish" Morris during the middle years of his presidency? I'm convinced that Morris encouraged Bill to drop the caustion he had adopted when he first ran for office in 1991, and to pursue his inclinations, which led to Monica. Morris may even have been planted by elements of the GOP to achieve this purpose.
This adolescent streak in Bill Clinton will always serve to feed these rumors and make them plausible.
dad
· 1 year ago
McCain has always had a problem with his zipper too.
Perhaps that is why Hillary thinks he's crossed the leadership threshold.
Maybe that's her measure of a man.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
Since he left the White House, Bill Clinton has not slept with another woman other than his wife.
As far as I know.
cosanostradamus
· 1 year ago
. Sorry to interrupt the Billary-bashing, much as I enjoy it. Here's some actual news you can have positive input on:
Links to cyclone relief agencies, for those who actually care to do something. Also, links to your "representatives" in Washington, DC. BURMESE HURRICANE DEATH TOLL HITS 10,000 .
Upland_Oddball
· 1 year ago
Even if it could be proven that McCain cheated behind his wife's back with dead corpses, live boys, ugly dogs, and entire flocks of livestock, it wouldn't make any difference in the upcoming campaign because his enablers in the MSM would cover it up. There would be a feeding frenzy among the Tweetys, the Timmehs, the Georgie-Bois, and others in getting the Clinton stuff out, while dirt that is a hundred times more uglly about Saint John would be buried or explained away.
dad
· 1 year ago
(that's enough cannibalism for me)
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
"At least McCain is too old for this to be much of a problem."
LOL! That was my thought as well. How far we have fallen if that is a selling point. (not saying YOU meant it in that way)
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
As far as sex scandals go, I'm more interested in the DC Madame who "committed suicide" in Florida last week. Has anyone found her incriminating little black book yet? No? Just her "two suicide notes." Hopefully, she made photocopies of her black book and mailed them to someone she trusted, just in case she unexpectedly "committed suicide."
dad
· 1 year ago
ericgoldman, i agree mccain is far worse. not sure fox and friends will [agree] though.
Daniel73
· 1 year ago
It looks like you have finally gone over the douche line. And you dare to call Clinton out on saying anything to win. You must be proud to know that you may well have given McCain most of Clintons votes because of this crap. Nice job dumbass.
Ricky
· 1 year ago
I was really, REALLY hoping this campaign we wouldn't have to rehash the scandal that was Bill and Monica, but since we are, just a point of clarification:
Monica in the White House as a victimized "Intern," with all the faux-virginal implications the "young, innocent intern" label implied, was untrue. She was NOT an innocent, virginal 19 year old sucking on Bill's one-eyed trouser trout, her virginity having been long lost through fucking for grades in college.
Just so we're clear...
jr
· 1 year ago
"I'm electable! My husband has never cheated on me! Being white makes the bad stuff magically go away!"-Hillary to superdelegates
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
If Hillary steals this nomination, the country will not want to go through scandal after scandal with the Clinton's. And this time the Clintons cannot talk about the right wing smear machine and they cannot come running back to the Democratic net roots or take cover with black ministers like Rev. Wright. Hillary also has her Monica issue that people are tip toeing around for now.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
Daniel73 It looks like you have finally gone over the douche line. And you dare to call Clinton out on saying anything to win. You must be proud to know that you may well have given McCain most of Clintons votes because of this crap. Nice job dumbass. ---
one question... do you hang around the neocon blogs and slam them for bashing hillary?
no?
why not? I mean, John makes the point that these 'rumors' are what the GOP will use on her if/when she gets the nomination... so you're slamming us for pointing out how much baggage they have to use on her??
do you even think once in a while? or are you just on auto-pilot?
.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
Many years ago my Aunt told me that Bill Clinton hit on her. After getting over being shocked, I questioned her about the incident and it turned out it was just the way he looked at her as he shook her hand.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I can see where Bill's philandering might give the Republicans a lot to toss about in the General Election however, I still think it is a damn shame when a candidate's personal life becomes THE issue instead of the real issues that should be discussed. Just like Obama's minister, what does this have to do with what the candidate wants to accomplish?
I say leave Bill and his round heels to the Republicans, I think there is more than enough to defeat Hillary's bid for this nomination.
AdmNaismith
· 1 year ago
Hillary is still married to a highly admired husband with a well adjusted daughter.
Who's you're family values candidate, now?
shanobama
· 1 year ago
Something about a leopard not changing its spots, fool me once shame on you fool me twice ...you wont get fooled again, or you knew I was a snake when you picked me up...
something like that.
vbdietz
· 1 year ago
I recall your comment earlier this year about potential Bill rumor issues and found this item somewhere... didn't mark down who wrote about it. It's from the gossip blog Gawker. Wonder if the picture relates to any of the stuff referred to in the Slate article. Of course, just scrolling the articles associated with the tag Ron Burkle on the Gawker site is an education. Amazing how many of them mention Bill Clinton -- in the title even.
How much of it is true? I have no idea. But I'm sure that the truthiness won't matter to the Republican 527's.
kattywacky
· 1 year ago
John A, I believe you are referring to the book "Clinton in Exile," NOT "The Clinton Years."
interlude
· 1 year ago
and who will we find Hillary sleeping with at 3am ?
steven88
· 1 year ago
I have been resisting commenting on the reporting in AMERICAblog but now I see you have the same interest in Clinton's sex life as Tweety. Have you always been this discusting and I didn't realize it? For God's sake show a little more balance and integrity then the right wing blogs.
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
Unless it's Hillary who's having the affairs with new "Monicas" I can't see how they would affect her electibility. Most people already assume Bill is chasing skirts and it's not a big deal except to you leftist bloggers.
chandler_in_lasvegas
· 1 year ago
. Doesn't need to be vetted. The Special Prosecutor Statute has tolled. This is the reason Bush was able to wipe his and Cheney's ass with The Constitution. Hillary knows that the only reason Bill was caught and the charges were trumped up was because they had an ACTUAL Attorney General doing her job. THAT won't e allowed to happen as I hope he/she will be so buisy indicting people from the Bush Administration. We shall se.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
OT
So I read on the Huff post that Clinton will, on May 31st, take the nuclear option. Someone in the Democratic Party needs to read to Clinton the agreement she signed with the DNC to abide by their decision to not seat Florida and Michigan. Either Senator Clinton has a very short memory OR she just doesn't care what the hell she does to the Democratic Party.
I think there should be some concession to Florida and Michigan, even though they went against the DNC, but Clinton wants it all. Is this how I want a president to behave, talk out of both sides of their mouth? Not me, I have had almost 8 years of a president that does that.,
dad
· 1 year ago
dad's predictions:
Indiana Clinton by 4-7% (5.5% to be exact)
North Carolina Obama by 7-10% (8.5% to be exact)
(i do not predict that the "f_ck jet" story will be a big factor in tomorrow's results)
mike31c
· 1 year ago
:lol: and this surprises ANYONE because??? :lol:
interlude
· 1 year ago
aquarius, since when did you believe that Hillary would play by thee rules?
Rab
· 1 year ago
Hillary should have dumped Bill but she craves power more than self respect, another reason for her NOT being elected to the presidency.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
CDS2
Really, you are known by the people you associate with? Try reading Carl Bernstein's article. Old Hillary should be know as a friend to the Black Panthers and the Communist Party. Explain why Hillary's associations are either over looked or just brushed under the rug.
If anyone believes that their marriage is real, they live in a fantasy world. At this point, it is simply for political and economic advantage.
We all knew there were Monicas before there even was a Monica. She was the only one that they had hard evidence on. And to think that this guy just stopped being Bill, well, that's just crazy.
Bill has always been a sleeze, but at this point, I'd love for it to all come out about the guy. He crossed the line when it came to his remarks about Obama (and his lies about many a thing) and I'd be glad to see him exposed for the scum he is, once again.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
CDS2
Oops! Forgot to mention, in keeping with your theory about the company you keep, Bill. Yep, if you are known by the company you keep then round heels Bill, who Hillary describes as her best friend, is not a shining example of good company.
Daniel73
· 1 year ago
Hey soundboy jeff this sounds alot like fox news "some people say." And not only do I slam them for hack jobs on Clinton I also do it for the hack jobs on Obama. The difference is that here I don't expect the Dems running this blog to be such douches over there I don't care what their opinions are and fully expect them to sound like John does. But I guess a douche is a douche is a douche take you for example.
voxpopgirl
· 1 year ago
Well, there's a whole other kind of "Monica" rumor that's been swirling among the rightwing online communities for over a year, which of course, no Democratic campaign would dare to circulate (unless you're Team Hillary).
That rumor involves Hillary Clinton's very very very close "relationship" with her top female aide and "body person" Huma Abedin.
Can you imagine the headlines, hand-fed by scurrilous Repug operatives? "Hillary and her Lesbian Muslim Lover!" -- who spent half of her life in Saudi Arabia!"
Now, it's not that most rational-thinking Dems care about or give credence to what goes on behind closed doors with their political leaders' sex lives, or of any silly guilt-by-association allegations to ties with radicals or Muslims , or even just the rumors about such drizzle (unless it's about Barack Obama, right?).
SO, for Dems in general, the frame is not, per se, the allegation that Hillary is a lesbian.
It's how a key element of this dumbass rumor will be received by Hillary's strongest supporters - Older Women who will hear about it repeatedly as it is pounded day in and day out by the Rethugs and the MSM:
That this once-wronged woman by Bill -- this wife -- this 60 year old woman who shares such empathy with her solid base of Older Women. Supporters, is, well....
Cheating on her husband. (With a woman).
As far as I know. {cough}.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
CDS2
True but the difference is Obama did not drag up associates of Clinton's as a campaign issue. IF and that is a big if, Hillary gets the nomination, I think the Republicans are going to have a field day. There is much about Hillary not yet discovered or at least not yet published.
Daniel73
· 1 year ago
voxpopgirl taking you at your word you must be a Clinton supporter since you are spreading this smut. But seeing as your are using Johns and fox news "some people say" method of spreading rumor you also falling into that all important I don't know shit brigade. Nice, maybe you can start a rumor about Obama doing crack with his wife and Osma bin laden. Since all your thinking and talking seem to come from your posterior I don't think any non brain dead people would believe you about that crap either.
Dumbo
· 1 year ago
I bet all those /normal/ white voters... ahem, i mean white WORKING CLASS voters that the Clintons appeal to, I bet they all wish they had their own FUCK JET. When I was younger, I just wanted a red sports car with enough room for a handjob. Wow, what I coulda done with my own FUCK JET!
graeme
· 1 year ago
Really, must people waste their time on this trivia? If you're focused on Wright or bimbo eruptions or faulty memories about Bosnia or lapel pins or when your hand must be placed over your heart, you've just lapsed into the utter trivialization of the political process, the grim results of which have been pretty obvious to this outsider over the last 30 years. There are, as you well know (and have reported), more important things on the world's plate at the moment. And everytime this kind of crap comes up it just points out how easy it is to distract people from those issues with shiny meaningless baubles. It's painful to watch. If ever there was a time when focus was needed, it is right now. Leave this crap to the National Enquirer (or the NYT)
preznit_giv_me_turkee
· 1 year ago
rush limpball was saying that Bill was hitting on his girlfriend at a party with Burkle
KateStone
· 1 year ago
Start a rumor. Make it newsworthy. If you don't know if it is true, if it hasn't been vetted, then STFU!
debrazza
· 1 year ago
That is exactly the point. We need to ask Bill this now so that it is vetted for the fall. If it is not true, then fine, if it is we've saved the party ;)
How do we know if it is true if it hasn't been vetted exactly.
And the point is, Hillary has not been vetted.
voxpopgirl
· 1 year ago
KateStone I hear ya.
My comment below is about the Media and how they will be fully complicit in the mainstream laundering of this crap in the general election, about a "story" they already have heard.
They're just waiting for their cue, to play their part in this ridiculous narrative.
The "pretext" the writer tried to use to justify the mere mentioning of the Hillary/Huma Abedin rumor was that, quote: "(I)t's not just Republicans who play rough in South Carolina, and then linking to a story about Mitt Romney and his campaign.
YET -- if you click the link about the "it's not just Republicans" link in their Huma story, it lead to a far more cynical than titillating story title ("Making Mitt Romney: How to fabricate a conservative") -- about a rather benign non-rumor-based piece about Mitt Romney.
So here we see a Harpers writer stretching to great lengths to find a reason and a way to bring it into the light of day into the mainstream. So there it sits, ready to be "legitimately" referred to by the MSM (looking for cover) -- in the general election -- (if Hillary's the Dem nominee) IF and WHEN the Repugs slither it out via their operatives who, in their role as "anonymous sources", whisper into their respective "journalist" ear.
The MSM and dear dear Charlie Gibson will, with great ease, "report" that it's "all over the internet" that Hillary Clinton is... dot dot dot. The same pretext he used to trot out the Ayers "association" to Obama to 11 million viewers during the last ABC News Dem "Debate".
There's a reason the REPUGS have not pushed this one really hard to the point of it surfacing now.
Chances are they are simply sitting tight, keeping their powder verrrry dry, waiting and praying (see: Rush Limbaugh/Operation Chaos, Bill Kristol, David Frum, Joe Scarborough, Newt Gingrich and Richard Mellon Scaife) that Hillary Clinton becomes the Dem opponent (in an election year where the scales tip completely AGAINST a Republican win) so that they can unload their biggest, dirtiest most disgusting ammunition -- stuff they have already long ago collected and compiled -- good, bad OR fabricated for the past 8 years since Clinton stepped into politics by becoming a Senator and signaling her likely intention to run for President in 2008.
And the media, will oblige the beast that is The Might Wurlitzer, and simply "act" -- no, "report" on the numerous of "internet posts", "anonymous sources", as well as refer to the previously published Harpers story, and ramp things up by quoting those NYObserver quotes on Ms. Abedin's mysteriousness ("No one knows anything about her") and be further blitzfaxed as well as fueled by a barrage of BlackBerry messages.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
"Really, must people waste their time on this trivia?"
Come on! Look how many comments a post like this gets as opposed to Chris's economic posts or AJ's Iraq posts. ;-)
debrazza
· 1 year ago
Two Words: Chevyn McClintock
She is not really credible, but she adds fuel to the fire, baby.
Q: What was their [Ron Burkle and Bill Clinton] relationship primary based on? A: The relationship between those two was primarily based upon sex and money.
Zing!
BoiseNick
· 1 year ago
BTW , , ,
is Bill making ladies faint at campaign events because he's already , uhhhmmmm , known them in a Biblical way ?
Just askin'
DougStamate
· 1 year ago
"...water cooler-worthy gossip...repeats old rumor...unnamed source alleging...tabloid rumor...spreading blatantly unsubstantiated gossip..." Is this supposed to be a biography or another opus by Jackie Collins?
Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood)
· 1 year ago
Monica, there I said it!
If Hillary had just refused that blow job in the oval office, none of this would be relevant!
LOSERS :<(
fillup
· 1 year ago
You just got removed from my favorites list. You're a SCAB. I can't believe someone who just can't get enought of Clinton orgasms except maybe Andrew Sullivan. You are a POX on the Democratic effort.
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Who cares if he's still philandering?
This is NEWS?
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Kerry: "Really, must people waste their time on this trivia?"
Come on! Look how many comments a post like this gets as opposed to Chris's economic posts or AJ's Iraq posts. ;-)
Yes, that's what I'VE been wondering!
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Who can blame Bill, for the optiopns are nothing or screwing a dry ice hole.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
So what's the deal. Did SHE come on some interns face in the white house? I always thought she went that way...
CDS2
· 1 year ago
Aquarius...
Hillary's friends and associates and history have not been brushed under the rug. Your comment is proof of that. What I said was that most of the folks didn't know Obama at all, and we are now getting to know him.
Let's face it, Hillary has been in the limelight for a long long long long time. The folks know a lot about her.
CDS2
· 1 year ago
Aquarius
"Just like Obama's minister, what does this have to do with what the candidate wants to accomplish?"
Not a thing. However, no one really knew anything about Obama before he decided to run for POTUS. This run up to the nomination has been good for the folks, in that we have learned more about him thru his associations. I always told my kids that "You will be known by the people you associate with".
All Comments
The guy's been cheating on his wife ever since they said "I do." Do you really think he stopped after he was out of the White House when he had no problem doing it when he was in the White House?
As soon as he started those book tours to college campuses, I was thinking "Oh man, that sounds like trouble."
i would have left.
what does this say about her judgement.
why hasn't she distanced herself from him?
does she share his views on marriage?
Commonsense would say that if Bill has been messing around all his adult life then, it is hard to believe he suddenly changed and went all faithfull after Monica. Right.
lol.
Here we go:
Voter purging in Indiana districts with African Americans and College Students.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/5/132653/6...
"unzipping" would be more accurate.
I wish the Hillary supporters opened up their brains just a wee bit.
Exactly. And had Hillary left Bill many years ago, would she be a Senator today? Running for President? Some couples have an arrangement. Granted it is not for everybody. Would I put up with someone like Bill to further my career? No f*cking way, but then I am not Hillary.
for over 20 years!
i would have left.
what does this say about her judgement.
why hasn't she distanced herself from him?
does she share his views on marriage?
----
funny, given the shit her marriage is made of, maybe she's just saving the GLBT community from her pain by saying she doesn't support gay marriage?
thanks so much hillary.... not.
.
I think this is one of the reasons I don't want Hillary. I don't want to relive all this crap and I fear huge mountains of new Bill Crap.
I used to be a huge supporter, wanting to go back, have Bill in the White House again, but now, I would rather go to the future with Obama than back in time.
When Bill ran for Prez in '92, an awful lot of us sort of raised an eyebrow..."does he look familiar?"
You can do that math. Bill loves a good lip lock on his one-eyed weasel and the gender, at least in the seventies, was a moot point.
Aren't we sick of these Bush and Clinton families, and the mess they put this country in?
"Carol Felsenthal's new book about Bill Clinton's post-presidential years, Clinton in Exile, is often catty, occasionally malicious, and overly reliant on unnamed sources. It's also pretty boring; when Felsenthal's not muckraking, she's content to trot out newspaper accounts of Clinton's foundation work and his appearances on the guest-speaker circuit. So don't bother reading all 313 pages."
Seems like much ado about nothing.
McCain cheated on his first wife and actually left her for the mistress. I doubt very much his campaign will seek to make marital fidelity an issue.
While he was President of the United States - with a 19 year-old intern and a cigar?
I'm going from memory here, but I believe McCain left his wife after she became disabled and after she waited for him to come home from Nam. It wasn't pretty.
Say what you want about former President Clinton, but when it comes to maintaining a marriage John McCain will not be throwing mud on this issue.
Clinton in 2005 agreed with McCain plan about staying in Iraq longer.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/clinto...
If any recent Bill Clinton philandering comes out during the campaign, wouldn't John McCain's history (and keep in mind he, unlike Bill, is a candidate) also then be explored?
So in the general election this might not be as big a deal.
McCain cheated on his first wife and actually left her for the mistress. I doubt very much his campaign will seek to make marital fidelity an issue.
---
true... and to my knowledge, bill has never called hillary a cunt in front of other people.
mccain's temper is going to be the talking point I think... halfway through Cliff's book, mccain is REALLY fucked in the head.
I don't consider Hillary Clinton as a part of an "us". If she steals the nomination I will vote for McCain rather than stay home, just to double up my protest vote. That will be even better than voting for Nader.
And, don't forget the "rumors" that floated for years about Hillary and her fun times. If I'm not mistaken, Anonymous, aka Joe Klein, wrote in "Primary Colors" about her and a key campaign aide in the 92 race. Of course, that was fiction. lol
You're absolutely correct, if this isn't vetted, as Hillary calls it, the 527s etc will have a field day with it should she win the nomination. Let's get it out now.
Not to mention too old to have sex with chicks young enough to be his granddaughters. Eww.
When are we going to start dragging out McCain's Monicas?
This adolescent streak in Bill Clinton will always serve to feed these rumors and make them plausible.
Perhaps that is why Hillary thinks he's crossed the leadership threshold.
Maybe that's her measure of a man.
As far as I know.
Sorry to interrupt the Billary-bashing, much as I enjoy it. Here's some actual news you can have positive input on:
Links to cyclone relief agencies, for those who actually care to do something. Also, links to your "representatives" in Washington, DC.
BURMESE HURRICANE DEATH TOLL HITS 10,000
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LOL! That was my thought as well. How far we have fallen if that is a selling point. (not saying YOU meant it in that way)
Monica in the White House as a victimized "Intern," with all the faux-virginal implications the "young, innocent intern" label implied, was untrue. She was NOT an innocent, virginal 19 year old sucking on Bill's one-eyed trouser trout, her virginity having been long lost through fucking for grades in college.
Just so we're clear...
Hillary also has her Monica issue that people are tip toeing around for now.
It looks like you have finally gone over the douche line. And you dare to call Clinton out on saying anything to win. You must be proud to know that you may well have given McCain most of Clintons votes because of this crap. Nice job dumbass.
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one question... do you hang around the neocon blogs and slam them for bashing hillary?
no?
why not? I mean, John makes the point that these 'rumors' are what the GOP will use on her if/when she gets the nomination... so you're slamming us for pointing out how much baggage they have to use on her??
do you even think once in a while? or are you just on auto-pilot?
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I say leave Bill and his round heels to the Republicans, I think there is more than enough to defeat Hillary's bid for this nomination.
Who's you're family values candidate, now?
something like that.
How much of it is true? I have no idea. But I'm sure that the truthiness won't matter to the Republican 527's.
Doesn't need to be vetted. The Special Prosecutor Statute has tolled. This is the reason Bush was able to wipe his and Cheney's ass with The Constitution. Hillary knows that the only reason Bill was caught and the charges were trumped up was because they had an ACTUAL Attorney General doing her job. THAT won't e allowed to happen as I hope he/she will be so buisy indicting people from the Bush Administration. We shall se.
So I read on the Huff post that Clinton will, on May 31st, take the nuclear option. Someone in the Democratic Party needs to read to Clinton the agreement she signed with the DNC to abide by their decision to not seat Florida and Michigan. Either Senator Clinton has a very short memory OR she just doesn't care what the hell she does to the Democratic Party.
I think there should be some concession to Florida and Michigan, even though they went against the DNC, but Clinton wants it all. Is this how I want a president to behave, talk out of both sides of their mouth? Not me, I have had almost 8 years of a president that does that.,
Indiana
Clinton by 4-7%
(5.5% to be exact)
North Carolina
Obama by 7-10%
(8.5% to be exact)
(i do not predict that the "f_ck jet" story will be a big factor in tomorrow's results)
Really, you are known by the people you associate with? Try reading Carl Bernstein's article. Old Hillary should be know as a friend to the Black Panthers and the Communist Party. Explain why Hillary's associations are either over looked or just brushed under the rug.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/th...
We all knew there were Monicas before there even was a Monica. She was the only one that they had hard evidence on. And to think that this guy just stopped being Bill, well, that's just crazy.
Bill has always been a sleeze, but at this point, I'd love for it to all come out about the guy. He crossed the line when it came to his remarks about Obama (and his lies about many a thing) and I'd be glad to see him exposed for the scum he is, once again.
Oops! Forgot to mention, in keeping with your theory about the company you keep, Bill. Yep, if you are known by the company you keep then round heels Bill, who Hillary describes as her best friend, is not a shining example of good company.
That rumor involves Hillary Clinton's very very very close "relationship" with her top female aide and "body person" Huma Abedin.
Who's That Girl? Look here. http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos/humaabedi...
Why, last April, even the NY Observer floated out an odd gushy puff piece on Huma Abedin with the suggestive title "Hillary's Mystery Woman", saying that "Huma Abedin has become a sort of mythical figure".
The Observer article was peppered with all sorts of hot button words and phrases, "discreet", "Muslim", "No one knows anything about her" etc.
Harpers confirmed the circulation of this "rumour" last November.
And, apparently, it seems that the Washington Press is already totally aware of the Hill and Huma rumor:
http://bigheaddc.com/2007/09/11/hillary-lesbian...
http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/11/hillary_cli...
http://www.nationalscold.com/2008/03/in-depth-r...
Can you imagine the headlines, hand-fed by scurrilous Repug operatives?
"Hillary and her Lesbian Muslim Lover!" -- who spent half of her life in Saudi Arabia!"
And as a Muslim, the Repugs will be all over Abedin's family ties to Al Qaeda.
Now, it's not that most rational-thinking Dems care about or give credence to what goes on behind closed doors with their political leaders' sex lives, or of any silly guilt-by-association allegations to ties with radicals or Muslims , or even just the rumors about such drizzle (unless it's about Barack Obama, right?).
SO, for Dems in general, the frame is not, per se, the allegation that Hillary is a lesbian.
It's how a key element of this dumbass rumor will be received by Hillary's strongest supporters - Older Women who will hear about it repeatedly as it is pounded day in and day out by the Rethugs and the MSM:
That this once-wronged woman by Bill -- this wife -- this 60 year old woman who shares such empathy with her solid base of Older Women. Supporters, is, well....
Cheating on her husband.
(With a woman).
As far as I know. {cough}.
True but the difference is Obama did not drag up associates of Clinton's as a campaign issue. IF and that is a big if, Hillary gets the nomination, I think the Republicans are going to have a field day. There is much about Hillary not yet discovered or at least not yet published.
How do we know if it is true if it hasn't been vetted exactly.
And the point is, Hillary has not been vetted.
My comment below is about the Media and how they will be fully complicit in the mainstream laundering of this crap in the general election, about a "story" they already have heard.
They're just waiting for their cue, to play their part in this ridiculous narrative.
Remember, Harpers -- a mainstream media organization -- chose to bring the mere "discussion that a rumor extisted" in into the light of day, under the guise/cover of a story about the Right v.s. Left political "dirty tricks" game playing (in the Palmetto State).
The "pretext" the writer tried to use to justify the mere mentioning of the Hillary/Huma Abedin rumor was that, quote: "(I)t's not just Republicans who play rough in South Carolina, and then linking to a story about Mitt Romney and his campaign.
YET -- if you click the link about the "it's not just Republicans" link in their Huma story, it lead to a far more cynical than titillating story title ("Making Mitt Romney:
How to fabricate a conservative") -- about a rather benign non-rumor-based piece about Mitt Romney.
So here we see a Harpers writer stretching to great lengths to find a reason and a way to bring it into the light of day into the mainstream. So there it sits, ready to be "legitimately" referred to by the MSM (looking for cover) -- in the general election -- (if Hillary's the Dem nominee) IF and WHEN the Repugs slither it out via their operatives who, in their role as "anonymous sources", whisper into their respective "journalist" ear.
The MSM and dear dear Charlie Gibson will, with great ease, "report" that it's "all over the internet" that Hillary Clinton is... dot dot dot. The same pretext he used to trot out the Ayers "association" to Obama to 11 million viewers during the last ABC News Dem "Debate".
There's a reason the REPUGS have not pushed this one really hard to the point of it surfacing now.
Chances are they are simply sitting tight, keeping their powder verrrry dry, waiting and praying (see: Rush Limbaugh/Operation Chaos, Bill Kristol, David Frum, Joe Scarborough, Newt Gingrich and Richard Mellon Scaife) that Hillary Clinton becomes the Dem opponent (in an election year where the scales tip completely AGAINST a Republican win) so that they can unload their biggest, dirtiest most disgusting ammunition -- stuff they have already long ago collected and compiled -- good, bad OR fabricated for the past 8 years since Clinton stepped into politics by becoming a Senator and signaling her likely intention to run for President in 2008.
And the media, will oblige the beast that is The Might Wurlitzer, and simply "act" -- no, "report" on the numerous of "internet posts", "anonymous sources", as well as refer to the previously published Harpers story, and ramp things up by quoting those NYObserver quotes on Ms. Abedin's mysteriousness ("No one knows anything about her") and be further blitzfaxed as well as fueled by a barrage of BlackBerry messages.
Come on! Look how many comments a post like this gets as opposed to Chris's economic posts or AJ's Iraq posts. ;-)
She is not really credible, but she adds fuel to the fire, baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZyM_yqKiBM
Q: What was their [Ron Burkle and Bill Clinton] relationship primary based on?
A: The relationship between those two was primarily based upon sex and money.
Zing!
is Bill making ladies faint at campaign events because he's already , uhhhmmmm , known them in a Biblical way ?
Just askin'
Is this supposed to be a biography or another opus by Jackie Collins?
If Hillary had just refused that blow job in the oval office, none of this would be relevant!
LOSERS :<(
This is NEWS?
Come on! Look how many comments a post like this gets as opposed to Chris's economic posts or AJ's Iraq posts. ;-)
Yes, that's what I'VE been wondering!
I always thought she went that way...
Hillary's friends and associates and history have not been brushed under the rug. Your comment is proof of that. What I said was that most of the folks didn't know Obama at all, and we are now getting to know him.
Let's face it, Hillary has been in the limelight for a long long long long time. The folks know a lot about her.
"Just like Obama's minister, what does this have to do with what the candidate wants to accomplish?"
Not a thing. However, no one really knew anything about Obama before he decided to run for POTUS. This run up to the nomination has been good for the folks, in that we have learned more about him thru his associations. I always told my kids that "You will be known by the people you associate with".