AMERICAblog: Slight majority of Americans unconvinced on climate change
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 5 months ago
Of course they don't believe it. They don't want to believe it. It will mean driving smaller cars, or keeping their thermostats at sensible levels, or maybe learning to carry bags to the store rather than taking pounds of plastic home each week, and on and on and on. We are lazy and fat and stupid. I am sorta hoping that some alien world invades us and teaches us a mean fucking lesson before the planet is gone.
Jophus
· 5 months ago
In other weather related news El Nino has returned. I guess Sarah Palin missed that one from her porch. Here is an article from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration detailing the discovery.
Also, if you have some spare time this is the complete broadcast of PBS's Nova documentary on global warming, Extreme Ice. It shows first hand the raising average temp and the affects on the world's ice. The focus lays mainly on the glaciers of Greenland, Antarctica, and Alaska. It is the result of responsible harvesting of natural resources as a great politician said last Friday, at a local press conference. (I kid... I kid...)
It is a completely legal download and has irrefutable evidence from multiple sources on the issue, if you are looking to arm yourself with facts for the inevitable Labor Day BBQ, with those right-wing nutjob family members we all love so much.
SCLiberal
· 5 months ago
They don't want to be confused by the facts. Their minds are made up!
Jophus
· 5 months ago
:-) It wouldn't be a family get together without everyone rolling their eyes at you because you are actually informed and not expressing science opinion!
Tell me I am not the only one that finds themselves in this position on those holidays that the entire extended family gets together to feast over. At the end of the day they just say to themselves, that is my lovable token family faggot.
Amber
· 5 months ago
There is climate change. It's cyclical. Always has been. While more and more scientists stand up and say it's not man-made, the administration pushes harder to pass cap and trade which is the nail in the coffin for Americans. Bottom line....they don't care! Isn't is ironic that the industrialized polluting nations have the highest mortality rates on the globe? Won't it be more ironic when American businesses go overseas to China where there are no restrictions and the world pollution gets worse? All that the Obama administration (Pelosi and her greenies) see is dollar signs and raping the people for all the money they have. Honestly, the poor cannot afford tripling of their energy bills. I can't afford tripling of gas prices. Do they want us to all stay home and not work? Where would they get the desperately needed tax revenue? I'm not sure what body part this administration is thinking from, but it's not the head or the heart.
Jophus
· 5 months ago
I really think you should watch the nova documentary I linked to before you left this comment. It doesn't discus the political aspect of the issue at all. It does mention and back up the cyclical argument, to which anyone who believe in global warming will also concede.
Ironically, I am trying to push it on you because the documentary does not try to push theory on anyone. It just discusses the cold hard facts of what may be this cyclical downtown in the earth's geology. It is still extremely interesting and I can see someone of the reverse ideology drawing their own agenda supporting facts.
It is mostly about auditing a scientist as he sets up his equipment, reviews the results, and travels to the areas most affected. There isn't one politician in the whole thing and I don't believe policy is mentioned once.
Think they'll get it with their last dying gasps for air.
Pat
· 5 months ago
Discuss what? Something that is a liberal created hoax?
Get real.
Indigo
· 5 months ago
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! You're funny!
Montiel
· 5 months ago
Gotta love those rePigs. They say "Get real" yet run when the discussion turns to facts.
No wonder they call each other dittoheads.
Indigo
· 5 months ago
It's the darndest thing . . . and they don't even notice.
CDS2
· 5 months ago
How can anyone that believes that climate change is due to human activity, spend trillions of dollars, and expect to correct the problem if China and India are free to do as they please. It's absurd !
yawn
· 5 months ago
where did all of the trolls come from suddenly? this really brings out the crazies.
SCLiberal
· 5 months ago
This just demonstrates how poor American schools are and how biased the media is.
Indigo
· 5 months ago
I'm unhappy about that, the polls often exaggerate but what they report is often a reasonable approximation. All that can be said now is that the educational system has failed. I expect that the Theologian in Chief will emerge from his afternoon meeting with HHPB16 to announce that the world is flat after all. It fits the politician-not-a-leader profile he's so carefully cultivating.
Jophus
· 5 months ago
I don't know if this good news or bad news, but I graduated high school not that long ago (as I know you personally know) and I learned the shit out of global warming and I was in a red state. So either the educational system is getting better or all of the recent neo-con science propaganda is winning.
That being said, I must admit, Clinton was the executive for the majority of my high school career and that was back when STD's were still taught in public school as well as basic genetics and evolution.
JamesR
· 5 months ago
When I was a kid I got National and International Wildlife, in the '70s. In them I learned about pollution, and the possibility of GLOBAL WARMING. I shit you not. The 1970s. Diagrams, text, theory and projected scenarios. I do not have them anymore and have not found them online but one day at a physical Library I will hunt those years down and copy them and digitize the article(s) and post them.
So as a pre-teen / early teen I said to myself "I'm not going to get a car and become dependent on it to use up our irreplaceable Oil and pollute and contribute to too much CO2 in the atmosphere."
Then I had to go places.
Science, Chemistry etc have not changed they have only gotten more precise. What has changed is the brazenness of the psy-op done on our populace and the capacity of said populace to retain such massive quantities of contradictions and denial and an addictive tendency to retreat into magical thinking.
Jophus
· 5 months ago
I made those same vows, but the main reason was the recent Exxon-Valdez Tragedy. I went to the Chicago Shedd Aquariam/Oceanarium and met a couple of sea otters rescued, and had to watch a devastating video specifically about those two saved otters. That never left me. I remember I was in 3rd grade and fascinated by those otters and a beluga whale they had.
It has generally still stuck with me. I am in the planning stages of greening my parents house, at my own expense. Right now I'm trying to find the cheapest way to turn their roof white and the most efficient way to store solar energy in their basement.
Those magazines and organization outreach to children really works. Now if only I had listened a little better when we went over the dangers of tobacco and peer pressure. I have always been scared shitless of crack and heroine too. Thank god. :-)
I'm also hoping to buy one of those 49k Tesla "Model S" electric cars when they come out too. I just need to get my finances in a little better shape first (damn those student loans). I wish we could shift the corn subsidy cash to electric vehicles. We'd probably all get one for free with that kind of money!
Edit: By the way, if you do find those and scan them I hope you remember the week of 4th of July 2009, and find this post and link me to it. I'd shit my pants with laughter to see that, after all this time had passed. :-)
Montiel
· 5 months ago
It's a shame. A majority doesn't believe in Evolution either.
Ignorance will be our downfall for sure.
I was talking the other day to a scientist and a couple of grad students who are currently working on the bleaching of corals (due to rejection of a symbiont known as zooxanthellae, a brown algae that gives them not only nourishment but their color, etc).
They told me that we were past the point of no return, sadly, and that a majority of corals will be extinct or nearly so, in about 40 years, more or less. The devastation this will cause to the most productive ecosystem in the oceans is nearly unfathomable.
Got to give it to the rePigs. Propaganda is not only destroying our democracy, but now is about to wreck havoc on the world's ecosystems. It has already been proven that oceanic temperature rise, CO2 elevations, etc are the result of human activity.
Amber
· 5 months ago
Again, it depends on who you listen to and whether it's America's burden to bear alone. While we're at it, why not create some JOBS so someone, anyone to go clean up the trash in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that is ONE mile wide and in my mind polluting the fish we eat! I haven't eaten any coral lately, not to soundly diminish your point, but to put it in perspective for others. No amount of reasoning can get you people to see we are headed for the privilege of being a 3rd world country! Ignorance is the clear path to tyranny. We agree on that, but for entirely different reasons.
Montiel
· 5 months ago
I agree about creating jobs, etc, sure. My point was simply to demonstrate that corals, which are the foundation of the most productive ecosystems in the oceans, are on the edge of destruction, primarilarly due to ocean warming, inc. acidity (all caused by human activity). Once the corals are gone, the system collapses, affecting everything form invertebrates to top carnivores.
When the corals perish, so follow the fish. Like I said, the devastation from this apparently inevitible collapse will be extremely far reaching. We need leadership, in a serious way, and it doesn't appear we have it.
sittenpretty
· 5 months ago
we are surely doomed,ignorance,being the perpetrator
JamesR
· 5 months ago
I just drove up I95 from Florida to DC, and without satellite radio had the pleasure of retuning the FM dial constantly for music, mostly What was not music was religious - even in the upperband of stations which to me is just wrong, and BS advice, John Tesh and conservative angry no-nothings. ON FM!!??
Especially loathsome was "Schnitt" I happened on a few hours ago - like the thing you do with your nose but much less useful. Going on and on about Obama apologizing to the world blah blah blah and then lit into climate change - and made the smug point that it's all about CO2 - and that's what plants breathe, and it can't be toxic, it's good. I had to listen again because I thought there might be a punch line, but no, just the punch again and again (he repeats loudly and often.) Yup - it's good for plants. Global Warming is a lie. - He really believes it, or sounds convincing as he sounds extremely dull and ill. He went on and on and on, and on. They pay him a lot of money for this. This is what you get if you are poor enough to just have a radio. This is continuing education, re-education, indoctrination, pacification, anger de-sublimation (I don't know if that's a real word, a Socialist acquaintance was fond of it years ago.) Not only are there no "Liberals" on the wireless, there are no moderates or voices of reason or any shared reality.
THERE ARE NO ADULTS MAKING ANY SENSE ON RADIO ANYMORE!
Goebbels would be ejaculating right now if his dick weren't constantly burning off.
gonzalez
· 5 months ago
I know how you feel. We were driving through Texas in late March on our way to Illinois, and we decided to turn the radio on. The first four stations we tried were religiuos and the fourth was Rush the fattie himself. As you travel through the south this is all you hear, religion or conservative radio. What a waste!
Milli
· 5 months ago
Like anything else, people aren't going to act on global warming, let alone acknowledge its implications, until they can see the effects. Until our houses are permanently under 15 feet of water, or our backyards turn into desert, nothing substantial will be done about it (It will continue to be - "Isn't it great that I recycled this plastic water bottle even though it had no business being made in the first place?"). Its in our nature to wait until its too late.
Amber
· 5 months ago
I'm afraid to ask, but what would you prefer to drink your H2o from and how much would you like it to cost? Pathetic, non-thinkers over their heads...again. What could you possibly be saying by the water bottle having no business being made? Why don't you just drag a glass out to your car and drink your own tap water? Isn't that convenient enough for you? What about when you're camping, on a bus, train, plane, have a small child, or go to a pool, beach or other public place that doesn't allow glass? Couldn't you just perish from thirst? What a hypocrite!!! Hey, here's a thought...reuse those water bottles from your tap! Or, if you must as most of us do, get yourself a reverse osmosis system that takes out all the garbage the government says is OK to drink and refill your bottles with that. If you really THINK, many of us could solve our own problems instead of allowing the government to do it for us. I know that doesn't include many people here, but we could at least try and educate even though they never want to listen. It's the socialist way, right? Help your neighbor until it hurts!!!!!! By the way, the SUN causes global warming AND amazingly, global cooling, which is where we've been since 2001.
RobertSanDimas
· 5 months ago
What the hell? How on earth did I live through most of my almost 70 years without a plastic water bottle? Damn. I actually drank out of a garden hose a few times, a public drinking fountain, and I've been known to ask for a glass or cup of water while flying. I NEVER carry a plastic water bottle and have none in my home. This is nuts, folks. Grow up, Amber.
Milli
· 5 months ago
Did you take your medication today?
Milli
· 5 months ago
Oh, and perhaps I should have specified - I wasn't condemning the reusable plastic bottles that we can fill from our tap, I was condemning the over-priced, over-produced, one-time use plastic bottles peddled to us by Nestle, Poland Spring, Coca Cola, etc. who charge us 50 times what the product is worth all the while claiming its "better" than standard tap water when that isn't necessarily the case. But by all means, this is America, we are free to waste our money and resources with abandon and none of it will ever catch up with us. Who gives a shit about our great-grand kids anyway?
Poor little ignorant Amber is not up to the task. You see, dear, this is where your belief in Creationism at the expense of Darwinism is a problem. You're not exactly the poster child for survival of the fittest are you?
gonzalez
· 5 months ago
This should tell us a lot about our education system. It is still bad.
RobertSanDimas
· 5 months ago
Absolutely. Americans are, by and large, an undereducated group. Even those who get degrees do not have a complete, as we used to say, "well rounded" education. Big example? Sarah Palin. (And most of the House).
therepguy
· 5 months ago
Of late, I've had a hard time believing anything that Greenpeace reports, i.e., there repeated issues with Apple over it's greenest computers in the whole industry... they crave their name in print!
Those of us living through the Texas Heat, hottest on record is sure that our climate is truly f--ked up!
MNUSA
· 5 months ago
As a gardener in Minnesota, it's noticeable. I haven't done enough research or reading to really, really be sure it's because of human activity or cyclical. That would be a lot of research!!! That's why we have scientists and other experts. But what on earth is wrong with cleaning up our air, water and soil?
faeriedust
· 5 months ago
Absolutely nothing, would you drink from the River at Three Mile Island, I know I wouldn't.
I am an asthmatic, and I have problem breathing when the air is thick. How about we should have listen to the Native Americans, we would have a clean water, air and our land would be fertle.
AlwaysOptimistic
· 5 months ago
We have got to stop referring to climate change as "Global Warming". It is about "Climate Change"...
Rob
· 5 months ago
The Guardian's statistics aren't particularly convincing. A global warming skeptic is going to read these figures and think, "If 84% of scientists believe human activity is causing global warming, does that mean 16% of scientists believe human activity is not causing global warming?" If there's an 84-16 split, then there is a matter of scientific controversy, absent some reason to discredit the 16%..
I suspect that most of those 16% actually have no opinion about global warminng, since they're in totally unrelated fields. If the Guardian had said 84% of scientists believe human activity is causing global warming, 14% have no opinion, and 2% believe that human activity is not causing global warming, that would look more like consensus.
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http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/200907...
Here is Chris Farley explaining El Nino for us non-Spanish speaking folk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEoHz56jWGY
Also, if you have some spare time this is the complete broadcast of PBS's Nova documentary on global warming, Extreme Ice. It shows first hand the raising average temp and the affects on the world's ice. The focus lays mainly on the glaciers of Greenland, Antarctica, and Alaska. It is the result of responsible harvesting of natural resources as a great politician said last Friday, at a local press conference. (I kid... I kid...)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/extremeice/
It is a completely legal download and has irrefutable evidence from multiple sources on the issue, if you are looking to arm yourself with facts for the inevitable Labor Day BBQ, with those right-wing nutjob family members we all love so much.
Tell me I am not the only one that finds themselves in this position on those holidays that the entire extended family gets together to feast over. At the end of the day they just say to themselves, that is my lovable token family faggot.
Ironically, I am trying to push it on you because the documentary does not try to push theory on anyone. It just discusses the cold hard facts of what may be this cyclical downtown in the earth's geology. It is still extremely interesting and I can see someone of the reverse ideology drawing their own agenda supporting facts.
It is mostly about auditing a scientist as he sets up his equipment, reviews the results, and travels to the areas most affected. There isn't one politician in the whole thing and I don't believe policy is mentioned once.
Happy Friday, friend.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/extremeice/
Get real.
No wonder they call each other dittoheads.
That being said, I must admit, Clinton was the executive for the majority of my high school career and that was back when STD's were still taught in public school as well as basic genetics and evolution.
So as a pre-teen / early teen I said to myself "I'm not going to get a car and become dependent on it to use up our irreplaceable Oil and pollute and contribute to too much CO2 in the atmosphere."
Then I had to go places.
Science, Chemistry etc have not changed they have only gotten more precise. What has changed is the brazenness of the psy-op done on our populace and the capacity of said populace to retain such massive quantities of contradictions and denial and an addictive tendency to retreat into magical thinking.
It has generally still stuck with me. I am in the planning stages of greening my parents house, at my own expense. Right now I'm trying to find the cheapest way to turn their roof white and the most efficient way to store solar energy in their basement.
Those magazines and organization outreach to children really works. Now if only I had listened a little better when we went over the dangers of tobacco and peer pressure. I have always been scared shitless of crack and heroine too. Thank god. :-)
I'm also hoping to buy one of those 49k Tesla "Model S" electric cars when they come out too. I just need to get my finances in a little better shape first (damn those student loans). I wish we could shift the corn subsidy cash to electric vehicles. We'd probably all get one for free with that kind of money!
http://www.teslamotors.com/buy/buyshowroom.php
Edit: By the way, if you do find those and scan them I hope you remember the week of 4th of July 2009, and find this post and link me to it. I'd shit my pants with laughter to see that, after all this time had passed. :-)
Ignorance will be our downfall for sure.
I was talking the other day to a scientist and a couple of grad students who are currently working on the bleaching of corals (due to rejection of a symbiont known as zooxanthellae, a brown algae that gives them not only nourishment but their color, etc).
They told me that we were past the point of no return, sadly, and that a majority of corals will be extinct or nearly so, in about 40 years, more or less. The devastation this will cause to the most productive ecosystem in the oceans is nearly unfathomable.
Got to give it to the rePigs. Propaganda is not only destroying our democracy, but now is about to wreck havoc on the world's ecosystems. It has already been proven that oceanic temperature rise, CO2 elevations, etc are the result of human activity.
When the corals perish, so follow the fish. Like I said, the devastation from this apparently inevitible collapse will be extremely far reaching. We need leadership, in a serious way, and it doesn't appear we have it.
Especially loathsome was "Schnitt" I happened on a few hours ago - like the thing you do with your nose but much less useful. Going on and on about Obama apologizing to the world blah blah blah and then lit into climate change - and made the smug point that it's all about CO2 - and that's what plants breathe, and it can't be toxic, it's good. I had to listen again because I thought there might be a punch line, but no, just the punch again and again (he repeats loudly and often.) Yup - it's good for plants. Global Warming is a lie. - He really believes it, or sounds convincing as he sounds extremely dull and ill. He went on and on and on, and on. They pay him a lot of money for this. This is what you get if you are poor enough to just have a radio. This is continuing education, re-education, indoctrination, pacification, anger de-sublimation (I don't know if that's a real word, a Socialist acquaintance was fond of it years ago.) Not only are there no "Liberals" on the wireless, there are no moderates or voices of reason or any shared reality.
THERE ARE NO ADULTS MAKING ANY SENSE ON RADIO ANYMORE!
Goebbels would be ejaculating right now if his dick weren't constantly burning off.
I suppose you think that this will one day disappear all on its own. Surely this isn't OUR fault.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-wo...
Those of us living through the Texas Heat, hottest on record is sure that our climate is truly f--ked up!
I am an asthmatic, and I have problem breathing when the air is thick. How about we should have listen to the Native Americans, we would have a clean water, air and our land would be fertle.
I suspect that most of those 16% actually have no opinion about global warminng, since they're in totally unrelated fields. If the Guardian had said 84% of scientists believe human activity is causing global warming, 14% have no opinion, and 2% believe that human activity is not causing global warming, that would look more like consensus.