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AMERICAblog: So Rick Warren lied, and Andrea Mitchell again is a tool

  • dad · 1 year ago
    a purpose driven lie
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    excellent!
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Wake me in time for the revolution.
  • thingwarbler · 1 year ago
    hopefully the obama campaign will realize now that they cannot play nice when others don't. that he can't keep calling mccain an honorable patriot when he is, in fact, a scumbag. if the gloves don't come off soon, it's going to be 2004 redux: nice guy with a nice smile reduced to runner-up because he thought the rules applied to everybody. if it becomes apparent that the ref (in this case the MSM) is in bed with your opponent you don't simply nod and keep smiling.
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    Its long past due to tear the balls off grandpa and his campaign. Everyone opposed to this steaming pile needs to stand up and fight it where ever these lies and assholes come up.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    The push back needs to start right with Obama and the DNC. I still can't believe they bought into the first debate about the future of the country revolving around religion. Is this where we can come to--I guess. Enough nice guy crap. Obama needs to stop framing McCain as a hero. Let McCain spout that bullshit. We know him for what he is an adulterer, a fraud and a politician who has been on the take his entire career. Pastor Rick is a fraud and a charlatan as well.
    If getting a buy in from the religious bigots in this country is the right of passage to a Presidency I for one want out of this country.
  • TheOriginalLiz · 1 year ago
    Unfortunately, what we've seen during the last 7 years is that the American people aren't offended by liars, in fact, they seem to admire presidents who tell blatant untruths. Integrity may be Obama's downfall.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    OriginalLiz: You've become jaded. I'm quite sure that most Americans reject liars in their White House which explains the record low Bush ratings
    and why they will reject McSame. Their records will do them in and there is little to save them from the record. Lies won't cut it for a third time but election fraud must be prevented this time.
  • TheOriginalLiz · 1 year ago
    Jaded, yes, maybe. But if "most" Americans reject liars in the White House, why are they still there how many years later? As far as rejecting McCain ... yeah, I hear the public outcry over his constant stream of lies.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    mitchell is no more a journalist than brit hume or cokie roberts. their job is to reassure conservative viewers.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Thought Mrs. Greenspan turned a corner there and was going to start acting like a real reporter.

    Guess not.

    By the way, John, you should follow up on McCain "cross in the dirt" story: Very suspicious.

    Apparently, the same story appears in Gulag Archipelago (released in US in 1973), and McCain never mentioned the story as something that happened to him until his fairly recent book.

    I think he just stole it from Solzhenitsyn and figured it would play well with the Evangelicals.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/173...

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/18/769...

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/165...

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/171...

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/17/122...
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    McCain, a former POW who was tortured by an "exotic" enemy, should never have been in an "isolation room" to begin with. How DARE anyone suggest that this poor, tortured former POW, should be subjected to ANY form of confinement just for this "debate" (and it was a debate, all the MSM says so). That would re-traumatize this former POW. John McCain didn't know the questions, in advance, scout's honor; he was just on top of his game, confident, poised, articulate, commanding as always, whereas Obama is just a sore loser in the debate because, as we all know, he has poor debating skills and just ummed and ahhed a whole bunch...
  • econprofes · 1 year ago
    Even if the allegations are true about McCain not being at the church and monitoring the debate from his car, I still want to commend Rick Warren for the format of his forum. I personally have issue with the media use of “Evangelicals” because it does not include those who embrace Evangelical theological beliefs, in other words, it is only talking about white evangelicals because African American and Hispanic Evangelicals do not embrace the politics of most of the White Evangelicals. Also the white Evangelicals are some of the most racist people on the face of this Earth so the media should just say Racist WHITE Evangelicals. With that said, I admire Rick Warren because he presented a forum for Presidential debate that filtered out moderator bias. We all remember George Robert Stephanopoulos fielding and asking questions as a representative of Sean Hannity and an agent of his former boss the Clintons to trip up Obama in his debate with Hillary Clinton.

    It took a preacher to show the major networks how thy should conduct a discourse between our Presidentual candidates that would give the public insight on the Presidentual candidates views, their proposed solutions to problems, and Rick Warren’s format shows us the events and people that make the prism and lens that has shaped and is shaping each of the candidates views of the world: this lets the public get past all of the side issues and see who the candidates really are and what their values and priorities are.

    What this forum revealed is McCain sees every issue through the prism of his experience as a POW in Vietnam and the War in Iraq. When asked about his Christian experience, he talked about a Christmas he had as a POW. When asked about his most important decision, he referred to his decision to remain a POW. When asked about how evil should be dealt with, should evil be confronted, negotiated with, or destroyed. McCain said destroyed and goes on a rampaged about chasing Osama to the “gates of hell.” When asked who were the people who he would consult he named General Petrius. This is the man that half the country wants his finger on the button”.

    Senator Obama answers were thought out, they took into consideration dissenting viewpoints and explained the logic of why he came to the conclusions that caused his decision. All the CNN commentators said that Obama is indecisive because he actually explained his answers and John McCain was considered decisive because every answer was short with no explanation of how he came to his conclusion. Obama was in fact decisive, he just thinks, takes dissenting views into consideration before making a decision.

    What I found alarming is that no one from CNN was troubled by John McCain “tunnel” vision of America’s problems in terms of Viet Nam or Iraq. John McCain has some mental scares from his experience as a POW. I feel sorry for the guy but he should be on a couch in a psychiatrist office and not at the President’s desk in the oval office.

    What I found even more troubling is no one on Americanblog was writing about how all of John McCain’s answers on Rick Warren's debate had a back drop of Viet Nam or Iraq. This should have been the topic of the day. I can’t believe no one else picked up on this. We have a “nut” job being seriously considered for president by half the voters and we are talking about the Olympics and if McCain cheated.

    AMAZING
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    If you come here often you will see that McCain's mental credentials have been questioned since the primaries began. However, this blog is not the problem the problem is the media who give him a pass. As for the so called debate, it is only a debate if both parties are present. As far as Warren actually showing the networks anything, yeah, he showed them how to attack the Dem and support the Repub. Nothing was exposed as to their true feelings on the basic ills of the country. Nothing was exposed as to their solutions if any. Nothing was exposed other than McCain got to spout his campaign talking points and Obama thought about his answers and was chastised for taking time to provide a thoughtful answer. This tv event being framed around satisfying the religious zealots has moved the country back to 1708 and to now imagine that future Presidential hopefuls must be approved by the latest religious money grubber is an insult to what this country should stand for. Religion has no place in politics. Religion supports war, punishment and the hoarding of wealth.
  • econprofes · 1 year ago
    I have been monitoring this blog for a year but mostly as a spectator.
    I agree that religion should not have the influence that it does but I
    will have to disagree that the forum that Rick Warren used was not
    effective in getting past the none sense and really see who the
    candidates are and what influences their thinking. Out of all the
    interviews that I have seen, this one really revealed the impact of
    McCain's POW experience and the residuals that still lingers from that
    experience. Maybe McCain's cheating and getting the questions in
    advance was "a blessing in disguise" because in his attempt to appeal to
    Evangelicals he scared off many independents and made the case for being
    a "Bush clone" more viable.

    Econprofes
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    Econprofes proves that there is a silver lining in every cloud. The uneven playing field of this forum could not hide what McCain really is and that, of course, is to the good.
  • econprofes · 1 year ago
    Thanks ron071, the participants of this blog as well as the rest of America really need to focus on how chilling and telling his answer were about John McCain Psyche. If you take POW, surge, drill, Osama Bin Laden, Iraq from his vocabulary, ( I forgot gates of Hell) he would have nothing to say which means if he is elected President he will be looking to start another war or escalate the wars we are already in.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    econprof: John McCain as president would be a tragedy built upon 8 prior
    tragic years. The question is how far must America fall under the failing
    "leaders" who can only survive with threats of fear and war. Ron



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  • econprofes · 1 year ago
    The United States in a hybrid of capitalism and socialism. A study of economic history has shown that a pure capitalist society (private control of resources) will result in 10% of the population having 90% of the resources and 90% of the population will have to make due with 10% of the resources. The most notable example of pure capitalism was Feudalism. You were either a landowner (they were less than 10% of the population but they were very wealthy because they owned 90% of the resources) or a servant of a landowner (the Peasant or Artisan class who very poor because they made up over 90% of the population but had to make due with the remaining 10% of the resources).

    The result of pure Socialism (Government control of resources) is the Government, more accurately the small group who actually are the leaders of the Government, will own 90% of the resources and 90% of the population will to make due with 10% of the resources. The most notable example of pure socialism was Stalin reign in Russia. Both economic systems result in an economy with a very small segment of the population that is unbelievably wealthy while the rest of the population will be unbelievably impoverished and no middle class.

    America’s economy is based on socialism keeping capitalism in check by elected officials governing, legislating and adjudicating on behalf of the good of the people who elected them. The power of the populous to elect or not elect the leaders of the Government through voting give sovereignty to the population; voting is the vehicle that ensures the elected officials in a Republic do what is best for the people who elected them.

    Capitalism makes sure that an economy does not skew too far to socialism (Government control of resources) and Socialism makes sure Capitalism (Large Corporations control of resources) does hoard all of an economy’s resources so they can exploit the greater portion of the population.

    The problem with America is that the Corporations control the government by controlling our elected officials with money. The politicians become “puppets” for the Corporations and they use the politicians to transfer wealth from the richest segment of our society, the middle class or the middle 80% on the income scale, to the second richest group, the top 5% on the income scale. The middle 80% of the income scale has 90% of the votes so the top 5% divide this middle 80% by getting the middle 80% on the income scale to get passionate about irrelevant issues so they will fight amongst each other about extraneous issues like gun control, being patriotic, abortion, etc. While the middle income level is fighting each other on those issues they are transferring the wealth of the middle class by moving factories out of the United States, which take jobs from Americans, and ship the products back for Americans to buy without an import tax being levied on those products.; Oil companies forming a cartel to fix oil prices and supplies; voting machines that can be manipulated to change the outcome of an election.

    If the American public does not wake up and use their sovereign power to vote and make sure that they vote for officials who will work on their behalf, instead of the top 5% and make sure their vote is not being controlled, The United States will move toward Feudalism.
  • econprofes · 1 year ago
    Thanks ron071, the participants of this blog as well as the rest of America really need to focus on how chilling and telling his answer were about John McCain Psyche. If you take POW, surge, drill, Osama Bin Laden, Iraq from his vocabulary, ( I forgot gates of Hell) he would have nothing to say which means if he is elected President he will be looking to start another war or escalate the wars we are already in.
  • Rucka123 · 1 year ago
    Notice they were careful to say "John McCain" didn't hear or listen. You can be sure that a campaign staff member was was and was feeding the candidate and his advisers the nature of the questioning...
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    Well, then, he needs to be questioned on that possibility.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    The Right Reverend Pastor Slick Warren
    same as it ever was.

    Pastor Slick is on Larry King Live tonight...send in some questions for him-
    cnn.com
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    McSame is in Florida. Yesterday he said he hopes that if Fay hits the state, it won't do too much damage. Now there's leadership for you: coming out foursquare in favor of weak hurricanes.
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    Have they put Air Force One at his disposal yet?
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    The good Rev Warren needs to explain why he was not upfront and honest about the situation.
    And to suggest that McCain was a POW so he would never ever lie is absurd. McCain acts like he is the only person in the world to have something bad happen to him and that somehow makes him very special and he should be elected President based on that one fact.

    Has anyone on the McCain scheme team explained why he was late.
  • flashcard · 1 year ago
    They were brazen enough to put a radio receiver under Bush's suit during the Kerry debates, why would they not listen to the questions from Rev. Warren? It's all within the GOP rules of engagement.
  • Mark217 · 1 year ago
    John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated on his wife. If you do that, cheating at a debate isn't a big deal really.
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    What's so hard to believe about an ex-POW lying? We already know an ex-POW who has no problem with adultery.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Let us hope that Obama and his handlers finally realize they are bringing a knife to a gun fight. If Obama chooses a milquetoast as a running mate our chances for the white house are doomed. I am so tired of the left paying more attention to the 10 commandments than the religious right. Religion still frames everything we do from the Catholic Church's cover up of pediophilia to every fringe so called Christian church having tax free status. If the leaders can pocket millions and have private jets, limo's, multiple homes etc. then it is time the church's pay for the right to decide who leads the country.
  • Heather · 1 year ago
    I am LIVID. I expected McCain to have questions fed to him by cell phone or to wear a wire like Bush but I did not expect Mr Warren to blatantly lie to everyone watching the event. SHAME on them!
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    Good rule of thumb that I use is: If it has tires or claims to be a xtian, it's going to cause problems.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    I'd like to ask McSame that since his whole life seems centered on his being held prisoner, exactly how much skill and expertise is needed to become one?
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    Ben Dover: That is precisely the point made by Gen. Wes Clark. It was true and accurate then and now. Let the McSame record SINCE his POW days be the deciding factor. He is, after all, running for president NOW and not during the Vietnam War.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    "I did NOT have sex with my crystal meth dealer in Denver."

    Oops, wrong Evangelical.
  • gardengirl · 1 year ago
    As an Obama supporter, Saturday's night forum and the two candidates' performances and audience reactions gave me great cause for concern. The press fell all over themselves proclaiming McCain the victor of the forum. And I hate to say it, they may have been right. Obama was thoughtful and introspective and measured -- McCain was not. Evangelicals seem to like the recycled Vietnam stories and the rest of McCain's stump speeches. David Gergen had it right -- the debates aren't going to be as easy for Obama as we all hope.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Agree with you on all points.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    gardengirl: The debates will be a no-contest if McSame does not get the questions in advance
    e and then be able to give pre-scripted replies. In a fair debate, McSame will be destroyed since he no longer has the mental capabilities to think and respond. The key is, as always, a level playing field. There is no comparison between the two candidates on a level playing field.
  • Django · 1 year ago
    Does this come as a surprise to ANYONE? I'd be truly surprised if he hadn't cheated!

    Maybe McCain should just use a variation of the excuse Dubya gave when Katie Couric confronted him about the mysterious "lump" that appeared on his back during the first 2004 debate: perhaps it was a poorly designed 'cone of silence'... I bet Mrs. Greenspan would buy it!
  • CobaltBlue · 1 year ago
    Mccain blundered. With his pre knowledge of the questions he just couldn't contain himself. He went through his complete repertoire of debate concepts and tactics. He laid all his debate cards on the table, he played his entire debate anthem - he shot the entire wad - he revealed all and left nothing out. He spouted ALL the typical black and white, demagogic, narrow, nationalistic, emotion laden, god loves america answers.

    And in doing so he has boxed himself in at the top of a ladder - there is nowhere for him to go – he can’t back off or elevate his positions and narratives – he has left himself exposed and vulnerable when he meets Obama in future debates.
  • paulbe · 1 year ago
    Of course he lied. He's an American christian. What else would one expect?
  • stefanzo · 1 year ago
    I'd hold off just a little longer on the (usually justified) knee-jerk outrage. For instance, it is possible that Rick Warren was lied to by the McCain people or misled by his staff. Since Warren had started the Obama interview, perhaps he had to assume that McCain had arrived and would of course be in the "bubble". Or got a call from the McCain people saying "we're pulling into the parking lot" and then they continued driving around the parking lot listening to the radio - you know, Golden Oldies stuff like that.
  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
    Would Johnny Carson,Jay Leno, David Letterman know if one of his guest were NOT in the building at the beginning of the show?

    Come on, Warren knew McCain wasn't there...and SHOULD of told the audience.

    So for Rick Warren at the beginning of the show to say McCain was in an oslation booth would be a LIE.
  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
    Has anyone else noticed the Vietnam War Videos now being sold on the cable show? Kind of odd how they all of a sudden show up to be sold.
  • gumdrops · 1 year ago
    What's new...really.
  • deadlydude · 1 year ago
    There is no doubt McCain was briefed in advance! Isn't there a passage when McCain says: " when do we get to talk about the the judges...?" oops...
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    deadlydude: A slip of the lip can sink a ship. Yes, he could not wait for that question which he knew was coming. Clearly, another fraud was perpetrated by the Manchurian Candidate behind the wall off the Wizard of Oz.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Rick Warren= fatter Chuck Todd. He gave McCain the homefield advantage. I don't' want to hear another bumpkin on tv or radio saying he's "different than Falwell and Swaggart"
  • nicho · 1 year ago
    Apparently, McCain's handlers have caught Rudy's "9-11 Tourettes." Anytime you ask them a question, they start shouting "prisoner of war, prisoner of war."
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    To paraphrase Joe Biden's observation about Rudy Giuliani, there are three parts to every sentence uttered by McSame: a noun, a verb, and POW.
  • GrMtGirl · 1 year ago
    Anyone that has listened to the many available You Tube or other video productions of McCain doing his Town Hall Meeting stints sees how poorly, at times absolutely unable to answer imprompto questions. Consequently it doesn't take a rocket scientist to observe he looked totally rehearsed and ready.
  • heathwood · 1 year ago
  • kevinbgoode · 1 year ago
    Republicans used to claim that dying for your country made you a hero. Then it was just putting on the uniform, even for a Halloween party. Now, in McCain's case, they are trying to explain to the American people that the U.S. wins wars by being captured as a POW, spilling your guts for special privileges, and displaying your "hero" status by coming home to cheat on your wife.
  • mgardener · 1 year ago
    Since Senator Mc Cain was in the Hanoi Hilton for 5 years, he was part , as a Senator, of the Keating 5.
    Any time his campaign answers with POW people should immediately reply, Keating 5.

    Those of you who do not know anything about this should Google it and read about it. It tells a lot about his character and the business dealings of his wife and her family.
    Bill Bennett got him off easy.
    Mc Cain has not been judged as anyone else has, he always has gotten a pass because of his past "experiences". Is this the type of man we want in the White House? The rest of the world will not give a damn about this. And then what will Mc Mcain do??? And then, God help us all.
  • bob915 · 1 year ago
    OH N folks he didn't listen to the broadcastor the questions



    That's because his staff was feeding him all the stuff he needed straight from their Blackberrys


    Remember when McCain said he didn't like to tal about his POW days?
    That's obviously over, since he brings it up every other sentence
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    I'd like to see a second forum like this, with a new set of questions and McCain goes first.

    Instead of holding it at Pastor Rick's megachurch, how about sitting down with one of the MoveOn.org guys with a nice, huge progressive audience.
  • lounderbel · 1 year ago
    well well well, seems not only was McCain not in the so called cone of silence, he mislead Rick Warren about it on the first question. when Warren asked how was the cone of silence, McCain stated he was trying to listen through the walls. I guess now we're supposed to believe that he didn't have an ear piece listening to the questions and Obama's answers via satelite radio. Yeah, sure. don't worry though, we have liars on our side of the fence too. Only Obama is not one.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    McAcedIt knew all the answers before Pastor Rick could even finish the questions!

    How decisive! How presidential! How Big Strong White Male!
    He won! He won!
    Why even have an election!!! woooohoooooo!
  • lounderbel · 1 year ago
    well well well, seems not only was McCain not in the so called cone of silence, he mislead Rick Warren about it on the first question. when Warren asked how was the cone of silence, McCain stated he was trying to listen through the walls. I guess now we're supposed to believe that he didn't have an ear piece listening to the questions and Obama's answers via satelite radio. Yeah, sure. don't worry though, we have liars on our side of the fence too. Only Obama is not one.
  • ron071 · 1 year ago
    MYTHS vs REALITY: Shot down. POW. "Hero". = Qualifications for President???

    The McCAin records in the military and in the Congress tell the tale of his real qualifications. The rest is the myth created to substitute for reality. Is McCain another GWBush? The record tells it all and not the creation of mythical worship. Where are the medical records & financial records? You decide.
  • Stevens · 1 year ago
    "“The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous,” Ms. Wallace said. "

    McCain the POW cheated on his wife so why couldn't he have cheated in this case? Wallace sounds like Hannity....providing cover for McCain because he's a POW.
  • Alex · 1 year ago
    You're all such liberal tool bags, seriously get over yourselves.