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AMERICAblog: So what's the real story with oil prices?

  • MarxMarvelous · 1 year ago
    The real story about the oil prices isn't about supply and demand, although going in an shutting down Iraq oil has played a small part, but rather it's the purposeful debasement of our currency that is causing the price of oil, and therefore everything else, to rise. The Fed is destroying our currency.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    helicopter Ben's interest rate cuts at work
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
  • bkmn · 1 year ago
    I can't recommend any sources for you, but I do have a few questions I would like to see Congress ask the next time they host the oil big wigs for their annual round of questioning on why gas prices are so high:

    1. Why are gasoline prices all around the Minneapolis/St. Paul area so uniform? Gas prices used to vary up to 20 cents depending on what part of town you were passing through. Now they are within 2 cents no matter where in the metro area you might find yourself.

    2. In years past the oil big wigs used to say that it took 6-8 weeks for changes in oil prices to impact the price of gasoline. Now when oil goes up (which is almost every day) gasoline prices follow within a day or two.

    3. What have the oil companies done (aside from push to drill in ANWAR) to promote America's energy independence?
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    The price of gasoline is pegged on complex issues such as delivery, availability, production, profit, and the value of the dollar. As the value of the dollar goes down, the price of a gallon of gasoline goes up in order to stay on scale. India and China are growing fast, that's true, but that doesn't cover the greed element. If you prefer a conspiracy theory, read Ayn Rand on how to punish the railroads for unionizing. Call it Hooverism, call it greed, call it Randian, call it capitalism if you must, the easiest explanation is most likely to be the most accurate explanation and here it is: Because they can.
  • aibi · 1 year ago
    First off, it's simple economics: the value of US currency, a.k.a. the Petro Dollar, has fallen so far so fast that gasoline for people in the US must cost more because of inflation. And then, there's the commodity speculation factor, as mentioned by George Soros and published in the foreign press - but certainly not the US:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml...

    Are oil and food the next big bubbles? This is "compassionate conservatism" at work; destroy the most basic needs of the American people: shelter - done, food and transportation - in the works.
  • tofubo · 1 year ago
    i'm sure this: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/torture-r... has nothing to do with oil prices or are in no way retailiation of the same

    #29-37 are the bomb
  • apikoros · 1 year ago
    I remembered some good stuff on just this at Calculasted Risk, so I went over to dig it out. Lo and Behold! There is a post just up that gives an educated view of both sides of the arguement
  • RayDuray · 1 year ago
    Dear John,

    I've been a grateful lurker for a long while, but your request for substantive sources on the current commodity corner have brought me out of the shadows, so to speak.

    I'm not a peteroleum industry professional, but I've been studying this industry from the perspective of investing/speculating since the 1980s.

    One of the things that your readers should understand is that there is an empirical observation that anyone willing to do their homework can discover. That is, in a nutshell, that the price of oil is positively correlated with supply imbalances, but that the range of prices is wildly disproportionate to actual market conditions. For example, the price of a barrel of oil went from $80 in 1981 (in inflation adjusted dollars) to $8 in 1989 based upon a surplus of about 5% above world demand for product. Thus, a swing from 5% deficit in supply to 5% surplus supply, a swing of 10% more or less resulted in a 1,000% swing in price. As George Soros has pointed out, unregulated markets tend toward irrationality.

    So that's the first thing you need to realize, i.e. this price madness has been going on for a long time. It just used to be less globalized.

    You say that you are seeking good sources on the oil industry. I can recommend several.

    Investment banker Matt Simmons, a man who is on a first name basis with George Bush is someone I happen to greatly admire. He's as much an educator as banker. His presentations [ http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/research.aspx?Typ... ] are some the clearest thinking available. Be sure to also check out his book, "Twilight in the Desert". http://www.twilightinthedesert.com/

    On the net, a couple of blogs have proven to be exceptionally prescient over the past few years. Here's a couple I'm happy to recommend:

    The Oil Drum: http://www.theoildrum.com/
    Energy Bulletin: http://www.energybulletin.net/

    OK, if that is of use to you, let me know and I can continue in this vein. I've got some pretty deep files on this topic.

    Thank you so much for AmericaBlog. I come here daily and find this to be one of the most intelligent blogs I have found on the Intertubes.

    Best regards, Ray
  • col_lib · 1 year ago
    Q.E.D.

    Oil Price in 2000 $ 35- / barrel

    Add : Bush Admin belligerence and Wars 10 -
    Supply & Demand 10 -
    Commodities Speculation 10 -
    New Price 65 -
    * 2 (50% decline in value of dollar) 130 -

    Reason for decline of dollar, Bush admin fiscal policy (huge deficits, reduction in taxes, stealing 200B / annum from Soc Sec).

    So approx 2/3 of the current price of oil caused by Bush Admin actions.
  • ThingsComeUndone · 1 year ago
    Can you explain your numbers a bit more I don't doubt them I wish to understand them better.
  • col_lib · 1 year ago
    TCU :

    Certainly nothing Scientific to explain. Just my best "guess".

    Some of the factors might be a bit more, others a bit less.

    Certainly the "speculation" is to some degree fueled ;-) by the belligerence and wars. (Iraq, Iran, Venezuela etc).

    I seem to recall that the "debt" has been risen by 500-800B per year while the official "deficit" has averaged ONLY 300B. I did not look up the "official" figures.
  • apikoros · 1 year ago
    Err.. Make that Calculated Risk. Sorry.

    On whether oil is a bubble, the critical factors seem to me to be, as CR says at the end of his post, speculation and storage. Speculation we have plenty of, but storage is much harder to discern. Unfortunately, there are lots and lots of little hidey-holes into which oil can be pumped, in addition to simple non-extraction. My gut says that this is not a bubble, and even if it is, we should be treating it as not a bubble just to encourage conservation and alternatives.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Lots of theories.

    Nobody really knows the truth, though, because the Saudis don't tell how much oil they may have.
  • doug · 1 year ago
    PEAK OIL... Do some research....
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Also, don't underestimate the effects of Clinton signing off on the Oil Industry Megamergers of the '90s:

    An oligopoly is a market form in which a market or industry is dominated by a small number of sellers (oligopolists). The word is derived from the Greek for a few over many. Because there are few participants in this type of market, each oligopolist is aware of the actions of the others. The decisions of one firm influence, and are influenced by the decisions of other firms. Strategic planning by oligopolists always involves taking into account the likely responses of the other market participants. This causes oligopolistic markets and industries to be at the highest risk for collusion.
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    The problem is that the US companies are a small portion of the GLOBAL oil market. During the 90s, these firms were experiencing an industry recession and needed to merge. The biggest oil companies are government owned entities of China and Russia and the US based companies don't have much effect on the global price.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    They didn't need to merge, but they were allowed to merge.

    You think Amoco was in danger of going out of business?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    The U.S. refining and marketing industry has been characterized by unusually low product margins, low profitability, selective retrenchment, and substantial restructuring throughout the decade of the 1990's. Costs involved in complying with environmental laws have grown substantially during the period and have also affected the profitability of the domestic industry. (Note 1) Profitability (measured by rate of return on investment) from the refining operations of domestic petroleum companies has varied widely, even before the 1990's (Figure 1). Consequently, refiners' abilities to recoup their investment have been impaired.

    However, the profitability of U.S. refining and marketing during 1997 was the highest since 1989, when the return on investment from these operations last exceeded 10 percent (Figure 1). Refiners were able to achieve their high level of profitability partly because of events of 1997 (such as lower energy costs) and partly because of efforts and developments over the last several years (such as lower marketing costs). (Cost-cutting through a number of downstream mergers, as well as the formation of a number of downstream alliances and joint ventures, also underlie the current profitability in downstream operations. For a more extensive discussion of these developments, see the section entitled "Recent Structural Changes in U.S. Refining: Joint Ventures, Mergers, and Mega-Mergers.")


    http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/finance/usi&to/down...
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    The oil industry is all about scale. If they didn't merge, they would've been bought by the foreign firms....we could have an entire oil industry consisting of Citgos. Really hard to make a case for the government to block the purchase of an oil company by a foreign company because our firms have done it for the past 100 years. Just as hard to make a case that blocking an oil deal will protect the consumer since the price of oil is set through a global market. This isn't the early 1900s when Standard Oil was the only global player.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Well, I'm sorry.

    It was more than just the BP/Amoco deal.

    When Exxon and Mobil merged, they were number one and two in the industry.

    You telling me they didn't have enough "scale" already?
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    In the industry in the United States. They were able to make a good case that foreign competition prevented them from controlling the oil market. Its a global market and I still don't think we've seen the true price of oil (if you price in externalities). I'm much more bullish that this current crisis willl wake us up to finally do something about our geo-political and environmental policies. I see this as a choice between going green or a future of oil wars (Iraq being the first; Iran being the second)
  • skogie · 1 year ago
    There was a very in depth article in the HuntingtonNews.Net titled "Perhaps 60% of todays oil price is pure speculation". It shows how poor regulation and no oversite over last 7 years may have contributed to this.

    It also has in it an Enron twist.

    And when I watch CNBC, all the the people say its only supply and demand. But of course these are the guys making all of the money out of the confusion from it.
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    People don't speculate just to be doing so and last time I checked, speculation is not a crime. Oil is a global market and US laws and regulations don't mean anything. Try regulating Saudi Arabia and Russia and they will tell you to go pound sand somewhere. There are real issues that are causing people to speculate that oil prices will continue to rise. The one's I've heard are:
    -increase demand without an ability to increase supply
    -US foreign policy in the middle east bringing about instability (it costs more to pump and transport oil when the fear of terrorism or war is there)
    -rumors (last one I heard was Saudi Arabia overstated their reserves and reached their peak output already)
    -a decreasing dollar (multiple reasons for that one)

    So, the moral of the story is that everything you don't like is not criminal. The upside is that it has made investing in alternative energy sources price competitive. If it wasn't for this, investment in new sources would be a fraction of what it is going to be going forward
  • skogie · 1 year ago
    Yes you are correct, people do not speculate just to be doing so. And yes you are correct about the other issues
    and rumors. But let me give a quote from the article from the HuntingtonNews by F William Engdahl.

    "A June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report on “The Role of Market Speculation in rising oil and gas prices,” noted, “…there is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that the large amount of speculation in the current market has significantly increased prices.”

    What the Senate committee staff documented in the report was a gaping loophole in US Government regulation of oil derivatives trading so huge a herd of elephants could walk through it. That seems precisely what they have been doing in ramping oil prices through the roof in recent months.

    The Senate report was ignored in the media and in the Congress."

    Also your right, everything I don't like is not criminal. But maybe you should speak to the people who lost their life
    savings when Enron collapsed. The futures traders at Enron did not think they where doing anything criminal.
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    You can regulate them here. The trading will shift out of the United States to other exchanges. Its not that hard to trade oil in other places beside NYMEX, the market is open 24/7. Regulate and hedge funds will trade in Europe or Asia.Your tying two issues together, Enron and oil/gas speculation. Enron was self-dealing and inflating earnings through slight of the hand tactics. I don't think it was fully criminal (the real crime was the cover up), but the SEC has a rule that something doesn't have to be criminal as long as it hurts other investors, they can come after you.
  • skogie · 1 year ago
    There are only three international oil exchanges.The New York Nymex, London Ice Futures and the
    new one, the Dubai Mercantile Exchange. And I quote from the Senate report.

    "Until recently, US energy futures were traded exclusively on regulated exchanges within the United States, like the NYMEX, which are subject to extensive oversight by the CFTC, including ongoing monitoring to detect and prevent price manipulation or fraud. In recent years, however, there has been a tremendous growth in the trading of contracts that look and are structured just like futures contracts, but which are traded on unregulated OTC electronic markets. Because of their similarity to futures contracts they are often called “futures look-alikes.”

    The only practical difference between futures look-alike contracts and futures contracts is that the look-alikes are traded in unregulated markets whereas futures are traded on regulated exchanges. The trading of energy commodities by large firms on OTC electronic exchanges was exempted from CFTC oversight by a provision inserted at the behest of Enron and other large energy traders into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 in the waning hours of the 106th Congress.

    The impact on market oversight has been substantial. NYMEX traders, for example, are required to keep records of all trades and report large trades to the CFTC. These Large Trader Reports, together with daily trading data providing price and volume information, are the CFTC’s primary tools to gauge the extent of speculation in the markets and to detect, prevent, and prosecute price manipulation. CFTC Chairman Reuben Jeffrey recently stated: “The Commission’s Large Trader information system is one of the cornerstones of our surveillance program and enables detection of concentrated and coordinated positions that might be used by one or more traders to attempt manipulation.”

    In contrast to trades conducted on the NYMEX, traders on unregulated OTC electronic exchanges are not required to keep records or file Large Trader Reports with the CFTC, and these trades are exempt from routine CFTC oversight. In contrast to trades conducted on regulated futures exchanges, there is no limit on the number of contracts a speculator may hold on an unregulated OTC electronic exchange, no monitoring of trading by the exchange itself, and no reporting of the amount of outstanding contracts (“open interest”) at the end of each day.”

    And as RayDuray just said upstairs, Gemany is opening it's eyes and hopefully the rest of the world!

    Oh, about Enron. You and I will not agree about what the future traders did. But the SEC did do the right thing and went for the people at the top. Kind of like we should do with Bush!
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    interesting...lots of good sources!

    i think 'supply and demand' is not the whole picture by far...agree with the first comment below that problems with our currency are key, AND somehow I can't shake the feeling that dick cheney going behind closed doors with all the big oil boys to set U.S. energy policy has something to do with it...big time.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    More on the Clinton-era megamergers:

    http://www.citizen.org/documents/nocompetition.PDF

    And, here, the GAO estimates a 7 cents per gallon effect, which seems small, but a 1 cent per gallon increase is considered serious enough to be investigated by the FTC.

    http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07902t.pdf

    Again, Clinton let these mergers move ahead without a peep.
  • ThingsComeUndone · 1 year ago
    First Problem in order of importance and how likely by my estimation Hedgefunds have borrowed a ton of cash er subprime debt from banks the banks want payment with interest for the subprime debt that they loaned the Hedges money to buy in the first place. The banks loaned this at $15 to every $1 of collateral, to I've read $30 to every $1 of collateral.
    The Banks will not accept their own subprime debt back as collateral because thanks to the collapse in real estate prices subprime debt is not worth the price the hedges bought it from the banks.
    This lowers the cash the hedges have from what they thought they had and forces them all to chase in a down market any deal they can to pay off the banks. Higher oil prices are that deal
    oil prices are higher now than when Bush took Iraqi oil off line completely for at least a few weeks and years of only partial pumping oil to capacity.
    Second the US Dollar is down around 30% to the Euro so if gas was $2 a gallon and now its $4 a gallon subtract 60 cents from the price of gas thats $3.60 we should be paying remember wages have not really gone up during the Bush years compared to inflation, that and rises in gas and food prices are not taken into account when inflation rates are calculated. Because the prices on these commodities is too volatile meaning they go up and down to fast to effect the economy, but if they stay high or for a long period of time they do have an effect on raising inflation which further weakens the Dollar.
    Peak oil is a factor but if gas was $2 a gallon recently there is no way to justify gas at $4 a gallon we did not lose half the oil we are pumping because of oil wells running dry faster than we can find new ones or Iraqi oil pumping problems.
    But Peak oil and the very real fear of war with Iran do provide the Hedges a reason to speculate that oil prices will go higher. I think the hedges are colluding to make oil prices higher to save themselves its the only game in town and they are not regulated nearly as much as banks and other big money players are.
    I think the price of will collapse if Bush does not invade Iran. Remember any change in the economy takes about 6 months as a rule to be felt through out the economy so maybe 6 months after Bush leaves office.
    Remember the oil guys say that based on fundamentals and not price speculation oil should be trading much much lower. I'm not sure I believe their numbers but I believe the direction their numbers are pointing.
    Good news a collapse in oil prices would likely help the next Presidents economy.
    Bill got lower oil prices as a result of Bush 1's gulf war 1, It now seems that Obama will get lower oil prices to help his economy as a result of Gulf war 2. Why this is I don't know maybe the Saudis like Democrats, maybe the Saudis just use Republicans as servants to fight their wars.
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
    Senator Levin last week OUTLINED EXACTLY why prices are so high...Spell it out,being traded NOW on the London exchange....NO REGULATION...speculators going wild,:evin wants to close the loophole
  • sittenpretty · 1 year ago
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    BTW:

    That "Factors that influence Gasoline Prices" from the GAO that I referenced below is as good a place to start as any, it talks about other issues besides Clinton's approval of Oil Company mergers.

    (I was in the petrochemical industry when all those mergers were happening, and it seemed crazy to me at the time, since they were basically allowing Rockefellers Standard Oil Trust to come back to life. That's why it still sticks in my craw.)

    Anyway, be suspicious of anything that comes from the American Petroleum Institute.

    And, by the way, if you want a historical look, check out this book:

    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Prize/Dani...

    (it won the Pulitzer and was also made into a PBS series, which probably can be rented or purchased.)
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    John A....do yourself a favor. if you want the real story on oil head over to www.financialsense.com and listen to this past weekends radio address with Jim Puplava. he has nailed not only the oil issue but the real story regarding precious metals as well.
    The world can only pump 85 million barrels yet demand is now at 87 million and rising. Our elected officials are worthless especially when congressmen from both CA and FL say NIMBY...Not In My Back Yard. Well if you don't want to see oil platorms out in the ocean and if you own a home in
    Nantuket and say you don't want to see windmills on the horizon, where in the world is all this energy going to come from? Do we continue to pollute the air with coal emissions and keep burning fossil fuels that are getting
    scarcer? If GM and all of the other car manufacturers move in the direction of plug ins, just where is all of this electricity going to come from?
    The answer has been staring us in the face since the 70's and to a large extent can take care of domestic useage through the use of solar power as well as wind. I know I have pounded the table over this point, but what has an ineffective Congress been doing for the last thirty years other than being in bed with the oil companies? Do any of you realize that the greatest profit that is made on a gallon of gas goes to state and federal taxes? Check it out at the pump the next time you fill up. So ask yourself, why would a politician give up a cash cow like that while sucking the life out of the middle class or at least what's left of it?
    What America needs as I've said in the past is a Manhattan product for energy. If it were possible to bring the greatest minds together in the 1930's in coming up with a way to kill millions of human beings, then surely today, we can bring together today's great minds to find effect alternatives to our energy needs. The problem is now and has always been greed at the corporate level and power at the politcal level and that is exactly what Eisenhower warned us of back in 1960. Perhaps a better way to put the military/industrial complex to work rather than finding ever more ingenious ways of killing people, would be to finding solutions to the energy crisis. While I like Obama alot, I have yet to hear any of the candidates take on the energy issue in any meaningful way.
    It can be done, but untill and unless the people raise their voices loud enough, government will continue to look the other way while draing every last penny from us. It is long past time that Americans woke up and took their country back from robber barrons and an ineffective Congress.
  • tommytoonz · 1 year ago
    I wonder what it costs us to buy all the oil we're using in Iraq? No doubt it's cheaper than buying it here state side, but if Halliburton is selling it to the military I wouldn't be surprised if they're making a jaw dropping profit.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    Hillary needs to go to FOX to learn how to apologize for a fucking stupid remark:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvjRv3Xhy-s&eurl
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Oh well: Good for them, I guess.
  • tbhull · 1 year ago
    I do not feel her apology was sincere, but at least she apologized. The inability to apologize when everyone can see clear error and pure unadulterated stupidity is a characteristic of our current idiot in chief and Hillary Clinton.
  • PeterVE · 1 year ago
    the "helicopter Ben" reference is to the recent decision to open the Fed discount window to unregulated financial institutions. Investment banks & c. are taking this essentially free money, and are desperately looking to make up the vast losses in the Big Shitpile. One place they're looking for the next quarter's profits is in commodity speculation: gold & oil. This, in combination with peak oil (maximum oil pumped out of the ground was in May 2005; prior to that it was rising at about 2% per year. See the Oil Drum), and rising global demand have created a perfect storm in the oil markets. The bubble will burst, but oil is not going back below $100/ barrel regardless.
  • jpalmer · 1 year ago
    The problem is that while oil demand still obeys the rules of economics, oil supply is now controlled by the rules of geology.

    http://www.theoildrum.com is the best place on the web to learn more than you'll ever want to know about peak oil.
  • Milli · 1 year ago
    John, why are you trying to make things harder for the oil companies? You must hate America.
  • dbol · 1 year ago
    John, also a grateful lurker like Ray. I'd add my emphasis to what he said and specifically the books and websites he references. There's a lot out there - and a lot of irrationality in markets - but the simple fact is that current oil production can't significantly expand to meet rising demand therefore prices must increase to curb demand. Gas is still relatively inexpensive in this country - still significantly less than in Europe (and those higher prices have only retarded increased fuel consumption there, not reduced it) - so small increases in price will not have a significant impact on consumption, especially if you consider how little most people can do in the short term to significantly reduce consumption. Short of buying a new, more fuel efficient, car or moving into a city and taking mass transit most people can't do much to reduce their driving: same commute to work, same drive to shopping and groceries, etc. The only rational limit on oil prices is how much we're willing to pay for it and since most people can't not drive they're going to find other things to cut before they stop driving. The price will stop climbing when we stop using as much and the price ain't anywhere near high enough to do that yet.

    As much as it hurts (I definitely feel it) we should probably look at these oil price increases as a good thing. You want out of the Middle East, cut US oil consumption by 35%. Nothing is doing that short of changing consumer behavior. The only problem here is that the increased prices in the market are going to producing countries and the oil industry; we could simply knock up gas taxes to achieve the same result and actually do something productive with the money: invest in alternative energy, subsides for more fuel efficient cars, investment in mass transit, etc.
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    I got an email with this link. I don't know if this is real. Perhaps someone can clarify.

    MCain was supposed to have lost 5 of our aircraft when he was in the service.

    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com...
  • ADC · 1 year ago
    John:

    Like Ray I have been a lurker on Ameriblog for a long time and your request for Information on the price of oil got me to finally make a comment. I have represented independent oil and gas producers (not integrated oil, like Exxon et al.) since 1978 and have watch the price go up and down all these years. I highly recommend Matt Simmons writings, because he is an investment banker to independent oil and gas companies. While there is, of course, a speculation bubble at these high prices, no one should expect the price to drop as suddenly and precipitously as it has in the past - it could go back to the $85 to $100 range, but I think its very unlikely to go below that. One person correctly noted that the US reserves have already peaked and therefore, we must depend on oil from overseas and the great majority of that oil is (1) controlled by national oil companies, who have agendas in addition to supply and demand (2) has to be brought to the US by ship. As Matt Simmons points out is his writings - national oil companies have historically overstated reserves. The undeveloped reserves in the United States are all extremely expensive to find and to bring to market - deep offshore and arctic geological provinces. Because of improved technology it is possible to produce newly discovered reserves more rapidly, which also means depleting them sooner. One of the key factors in judging an "oil company" is whether it is replacing the reserves it produces with new oil. Many of the mergers have been motivated by obtaining new reserves, because replacement of reserves has not kept pace with decline rates and production. We have been enjoying low gas prices and our SUVs and trucks for more than a decade now, while Europe has dealt with these kind of prices for quite some time now - they are way ahead of the US on CAFE standards. We have been on an oil binge and our politicians have been content to let it happen. We are now reaping what we have sown.
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    You can also read Matt Simmons book " Twilight In The Desert". The story of peak oil. Something else to consider in an oil soaked economy when it comes to how our tax dollars are spent.
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  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Sorry.

    This looks like one of those crazy spam e-mails my mother gets from her redneck cousins.

    Yes, an industrialized society has more taxes than a country just at the beginning of the industrial revolution.

    (How many telephones do you think there were 100 years ago, anyway?)

    As for "most profitable country in the world at the time"--I tend to doubt it, though I'd say that given that our life expectancy was probably in the 50s and we probably didn't have much of a middle class, comparing it to today is like comparing apples and oranges anyway.

    Seriously, this is stupid stuff.
  • jimfromthefoothills · 1 year ago
    Thank you BB
  • ommzms · 1 year ago
    The dynamics here are too manifold and multifaceted to explicate in a comment thread. We have passed the point of so-called "peak oil" production, for one major factor. Look at this article (http://www.energybulletin.net/35768.html) from just last October that presumed we may reach $100/barrel oil by the end of 2008. For more than 40 years we have had the technology to make the internal combustion engine extinct; but the invisible hand of the corporate megalopoly (international political economic interests) has kept that technology from realization and will continue to do so even after gasoline is at $15/gallon. What part of the global economy is not currently operating on a scorched earth policy? None.
    There will be fluctuations, i.e. oil prices will ebb & rise, but $4.00/gallon gasoline will always look like "the good ol' days" from here on out.
  • heathwood · 1 year ago
  • MalibuBarbie · 1 year ago
    Hell yes it's disturbing. The United States passed its peak of oil production in 1970 and we've been declining ever since. No politician or government agency predicted it, they were all taken by surprise. Did anybody accurately predict what was coming? Yes, a few petroleum geologists who made the effort to calculate production and consumption rates and make a basic forecast. (look up M. King Hubbert) Everyone else was dreaming their la-la fantasy of an everlasting Happy Motoring utopia and cheap oil. When the peak finally did arrive in 1970, the U.S. embarked on an enormous program of new rigs and wells drilled. The result? Oil production dropped even more throughout the mid-1970s.

    Prudhoe Bay stopped the decline temporarily but by the mid-1980s we were falling off the cliff again. And no it wasn't because of the DFH enviros putting all our precious oil off limits. We could drill in every protected reserve in the nation including ANWR and it would only make a small blip in the overall decline.

    If the U.S. can hit peak production followed by a long decline, it's only logical that the same thing could happen on a worldwide scale. That's what we're seeing in the 2005-2015 time frame. Even the most optimistic experts say we'll hit global peak production in 20 years or so. Everyone else who's not a pollyanna for hire says we'll be at peak in the next few years if we're not there already.

    Supply and demand, baby!

    Good sources are

    APSO USA for engineering analysis and editorials
    http://www.aspo-usa.com/

    For financial analysis, Jerome a Paris at Daily Kos
    http://jerome-a-paris.dailykos.com/

    and Gail the Actuary at The Oil Drum
    http://www.theoildrum.com/user/Gail+the+Actuary...

    and The Oil Drum in general...

    for news and editorials, the Energy Bulletin
    http://www.energybulletin.net/

    and the Energy Bulletin's peak oil primer
    http://www.energybulletin.net/primer.php

    for discussion forums, PeakOil.com
    http://www.peakoil.com/

    all of those site have links to many other sites.
  • RayDuray · 1 year ago
    Hi ADC & dbol,

    It's nice to see y'all contributing. :)

    ADC, to amplify your remarks regarding U.S. Peak Oil, it was predicted first at a Shell Oil internal conference in 1956 by M. King Hubbert who predicted, correctly, that the U.S. domestic production of crude oil would peak in ~1970. Most of the industry ridiculed Hubbert for his dire pessimism, but they were proven to be complete fools about the nature of a finite resource like petroleum.

    One of the most imminently readable and affable observers of this and continuing studies of Peak Oil is Professor Emeritus Ken Deffeyes of Princeton University. Ken is a stitch. He's got a great sense of humor about all this doom and gloom. I recommend both of his books.

    So, while this dire topic may lead some to thoughts of suicide, at least you'll die laughing: http://tinyurl.com/5cujxm

    ***
    For laymen, another really bright writer is Richard Heinberg, a professor of ecology who has a knack for good headlines. One of his recent books is titled "The Party's Over". http://tinyurl.com/54qyh3 which is pretty much all Entertainment Tonight viewers need to know about energy.

    ***
    Finally, for any of you arbs, derivatives traders, quants and financial legerdomain wannabees, I have a question. Recently a European based public intellectual, F. Wm. Engdahl has speculated that speculation itself is responsible for about 60% of the cost of a barrel of black gold. http://tinyurl.com/3lxgmz and continuing here: http://tinyurl.com/5r7ejg

    My personal view is that Engdahl is, to an extent, exaggerating the role of unregulated speculators in the rapid rise in price we've seen so far. I'd say market fundamentals (i.e. dollar depreciation, supply/demand imbalance, the reality that Peak Oil occurred in May, 2005, etc.) are responsible for about 70% of today's price, with rapacious gamblng by speculators repsonsible for about 30% of the price and 100% of the volatiility we see.

    Unlike "ruthlessgravity", I find speculators to be odious and parasitic fellows. I'm much more inclined to have the attitude expressed by V.I.Lenin: http://tinyurl.com/5r98pe

    To wit: In times of famine, Vladimir Ilych Lenin took a robust line on speculation. "We can't expect to get anywhere," he told the Petrograd Soviet in 1918, "unless we resort to terrorism: speculators must be shot on the spot".
  • warsaw · 1 year ago
    This is a link to an encouraging article in Lew Rockwell, a Libertarian site, but don't let that scare you.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-d/armentan...
    Armentano says the Dems investigations and hearings are all show. That sounds right to me. There was a lot of smirking at the table by those oil execs the other day.
    It's not just about supply and demand it's more about cost and price and the vast differential which cannot hold.
  • davistucker · 1 year ago
    To add to what's already been said, I would suggest The Oil Drum as the most academic and engaging of sources on a daily basis...they have made me much more active in my community:

    http://theoildrum.com

    for example, here's a very accessible primer by Gail Tverberg and another by Nate Hagens

    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4041
    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4020

    For example, wanna learn about Saudi geology and arguments against spare capacity? Check out "Saudi Arabia's Crude Oil Reserves Propaganda"

    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3665

    or click on the Saudi Arabia tag:

    http://www.theoildrum.com/tag/saudi_arabia

    I could keep going, but suffice it to say, TOD has a lot of good stuff, including a daily news summary called the Drumbeat. Very good comment sections, much like the ones here on Americablog.

    I would then include:

    http://energybulletin.net
    http://peakoil.com

    and if you're really doomerish:

    http://lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
  • RayDuray · 1 year ago
    Hi MalibuBarbie,

    No one can accuse you of being a bimbo. Nice post. :)

    Something that needs to be understood by anyone who cares about predicting the future of our pretentious preternatural petro-empire is the actual state of development of oil megaprojects. Wikipedia has a wickedly wise page on this wonkery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Megaprojects

    Analyst Chris Skrebowski has been the go-to guy on megaproject development for the past few years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Skrebowski

    In a nutshell, "Damn, we're in a tight spot". http://tinyurl.com/5d72bz
  • ohnoyoudint · 1 year ago
    Waitaminute. . .Iraq sits on a huge pool of oil, doesn't it? Now, I know there's a war on, but when has turmoil like that ever stopped greedy bastards from exploiting something for profit? Isn't it more likely that, in accordance with the Cheney Energy Task Force Plan to invade Iraq and turn control of that country's petroleum reserves over to the U.S. oil companies, leaving all of that precious oil in the Iraqi sand would benefit the oil companies more than actually, you know, PUMPING IT OUT? After all, putting more oil in the market would reduce the price per barrel, so why not just keep the price inflated while sitting on an extremely valuable stockpile? Then, when OPEC's production peters out, THEN here comes more oil at an even higher price per barrel. It's a WIN-WIN proposition!!! For the national interest? Uh, no. For national security? No, again. For Big Oil and the Bush Cartel? YES-YES!!!

    But then, maybe I'm just cynical AND paranoid. . .
  • WillySF · 1 year ago
    We can stop driving our cars. Think about it. Move close to your job, and then walk or ride your bike. If you knew what gas really cost, you'd be selling that hunk of metal.
  • unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago
    I don't know about you but I feel violated after my pockets have been bottom trawled by Exxon.
  • kiki · 1 year ago
    Operation Corporate Freedom: The IMF and World Bank in Iraq

    By Basav Sen, Mobilization for Global Justice, and Hope Chu, 50 Years is Enough Network

    While the three-year U.S. occupation of Iraq faces a quagmire in operations, the economic forces of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank are moving full speed ahead implementing various economic reforms that will cause U.S.-based corporations - Bechtel, Halliburton, and others - to proclaim, "Mission Accomplished!" As the Bush administration touts its rhetoric of freedom and liberation, the IMF and World Bank are busily "liberating" Iraq's resources - oil and labor - and "freeing" Iraq's markets. The recent rise in fuel prices in Iraq and the subsequent riots are just a glimpse of what the future holds for Iraq under IMF and World Bank plans.

    read complete article at below site:

    http://www.50years.org/cms/updates/story/320
  • RayDuray · 1 year ago
    In the news: German government leaders begin to call for an end to speculation in oil and other commodity prices:

    http://tinyurl.com/52uear

    Quote: President Horst Köhler said modern capitalism had turned into a “monster”, bringing the entire financial system to the brink of collapse this spring.
  • RayDuray · 1 year ago
    kiki,

    Have you read Naomi Klein and Antonia Juhasz on the rape of Iraq?
  • kiki · 1 year ago
    No I haven't read that, but it might be something I'm interested in.
  • jimfromthefoothills · 1 year ago
    John, read Americablog. Chris in Paris gives the best economic reporting on the web.

    The world consumed nearly 90 million barrels of oil
    per day in 2007, reflecting a steady 2% annual
    increase over the last decade. According to the US
    Department of Energy, the US is the largest world user
    of oil (about one third) with two thirds of US usage for
    transportation. The world faces several tipping
    points regarding energy.

    1. Recovery of easily attainable reserves is projected
    to peak at 100 million barrels per day with the
    majority coming from the Middle East.

    2. Governmental restrictions of carbon dioxide
    emissions are expanding.

    3. Trade deficits due to oil imports ($500 billion for
    the US in 2007) have led to a devaluation of the US
    currency and will continue to reduce the wealth of
    western economies.!!! The US trade deficit for oil in 2008 could be $1 trillion. For reference our annual GDP is roughly $11 trillion.

    The current prices are a function of our GDP versus our consumption. Just like you cant spend more than you make for too long, the US is now seeing a decrease in the value of the dollar because we consume much more than we produce. Since W dumb-ass has been president our currency has decreased in value OVER 70% seventy fucking percent versus the Euro.

    Forget global warming. Energy will bankrupt this country in the next 10 years.
  • jimfromthefoothills · 1 year ago
    By the way, the best source in the world for energy information.....

    http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/ask/faq.asp

    Our US Dept. Of Energy. Thank you Jimmy Carter.

    Don't trust any other anecdotal information. This be the shit.
  • Ben Dover · 1 year ago
    Since we are most likely at or very near "peak oil" maybe it's time to nationalize the American oil industry?
    Especially for national security and stabilization.
  • devis1 · 1 year ago
    VISA and Mastercard transaction fees are built in to the price at the pump too. As prices go up so do their profits since they are based on a percentage of the sale. Another monopoly at work.
  • greenleegazette · 1 year ago
    Try as i might, I simply do not understand how gasoline and oil prices work. I'll never understand how "supply and demand" dictates the price. Sure, if supply is up, you CAN raise the price, but you don't HAVE TO, right? So, they're not being FORCED to raise prices, at least not by that argument alone.

    How is it that if we have an oil rig explosion, or a hurricane that disrupts drilling, gas prices on fuel that has already been refined and is in fact already under the filling station parking lot, goes up immediately? How is it that "we haven't had new refinery in 30 years" is used as an excuse, but that the price has only skyrocket in the last FIVE years?

    I understand that we will eventually run out of oil, but we're not there yet. There are no lines at the pump. There are no stations shutting down because the gas trucks can't deliver. So, what FORCES the price to go up? It's going up because they WANT it to, right? Is there a Oil and Gasoline Prices for Dummies book out there?
  • arnold1 · 1 year ago
    I'd start with The Long Emergency. Or, for a slightly less pessimistic view: Beyond Oil, A View from Hubert's Peak, by Kenneth Deffeyes. The best blog is The Oil Drum. We are at or past peak oil, and while some short term fluctuations are likely, the price of oil is headed inexorably higher.
  • ComradeRutherford · 1 year ago
    Aside from the bettors driving up the price of crude through 'speculation' commodities schemes, a huge factor is all this is the precipitous drop of the US dollar to other world currencies. The US dollar is done-for as far as a world standard currency goes. While a huge number of things are still traded in US dollars, like oil, the Euro has replaced it as the most stable global currency.

    Last April, my dad was getting ready to go to Europe and was buying Euros in advance. In one week the US dollar dropped 40 cents.

    There was an article about European shops no longer accepting US dollars as the value would drop during the day before they could cash them in that it ate up their profit margin.

    And why has the world lost faith in the US dollar?

    The Republican trifecta: Huge increase in debt, massive unfunded spending increases, and cutting income at the same time combined to make the entire rest of the world lose confidence in the US dollar. The Republican plan to destroy the US economy through war profiteering, deficit buildup and tax cutting has been a rousing success.

    So even if they don't install Senator Clinton to rally the GOP base (after being so demoralized from Bush), then the media will blame President Obama for every single result stemming from the planned ineptitude of the Bush Administration. Just as the 'liberal' media blamed Clinton for every mistake made by Bush, so too with the media blame Obama for everything Bush did. By the second year of the next presidency, every main-stream news outfit will be falling over themselves to reminisce nostalgic about America's Golden Years under Bush, and how the Democrats have ruined everything.
  • ComradeRutherford · 1 year ago
    The answer is for the US to immediately start on a crash course in self-sufficient power production. The Fed has to fund a massive bio-mass conversion fuel system nationwide, decentralize the electrical grid by increasing regional power generation, and finally a massive atmospheric de-carbonizer to get all the extra carbon we've been dumping back down to historic levels.

    And I am NOT saying we need to end Capitalism, no! People like Limbaugh claim Environmentalists true goal is to destroy the Free Market system. I see no need for that. We need a national energy plan, where the Fed directs the needs and private businesses fulfills them. Why can't Big Oil lead the way to new energy sources and national energy independence? Why can't the Fed kick their behind in that direction?

    If we start today, we have a chance to save our way of life, but if we let the neo-cons continue to get away with literally murder, then we are all dead within 25 years, or hunting with spears...
  • steve303 · 1 year ago
    If you want to understand the reason for the recent spike in oil, rice, and grain prices you have to understand what caused the housing boom and bust. While supply and demand account for the long term trends of increased oil prices, it does not account for the 30%+ increase we have seen in the past few months. In short, large global investors need somewhere to park their money which is safe and will garner a reasonable return. In the past -- when there was less overall global wealth -- that money was traditionally invested in US bonds. Under Greenspan and continuing under Bernanke, the Fed has kept the return rate on US bonds very low, which encouraged investors to look towards other investments; thus, was born the MBS. MBSs (mortgage backed securities) were viewed, and rated, as AAA, meanng they were as safe as US bonds. The demand for more and more mortgage securities by investors caused mortgage companies to lower standards and thus was born the 'sub-prime crises'. Although billions have been lost in MBSs, global investors still have a lot of wealth they need to put somewhere. The fact that demand for oil continues to increase and supplies are stagnant makes it both a good and safe investment for large investors. As in the housing bubble, smaller speculators jump on the wagon, seeing a potential for a quick return and invent newer instruments, like commodity linked funds. This speculative investing coupled with the low dollar -- oil is still primarily traded in dollars -- has sent pricing through the roof.

    Regardless of any additional pumping, or drilling (ie. ANWR) oil prices will remain high (yes, they may fluctuate by +/- 10%) from now on due to speculation and the knowledge that demand continues to outstrip supplies in the long run. Additional drilling will simply make the company with the drilling contract richer, and will not benefit consumers in the least.

    What all of this really means is still unknown. Almost certainly, it means harsh economic times ahead in America. It may mean the loss of American hegemony throughout the world. Unfortunately, American has not invested in either real alternatives to oil or more efficient transportation. Our entire economy, from basic transportation, to distribution, to power generation is highly dependent upon oil. As nearly 65% of our GDP is the result of consumer spending, it is difficult to see how our economy can survive, in its present form, when gasoline approaches $8, $10, or $12 a gallon -- as some economists have predicted in will in the next 24-36 months.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Sounds like a metaphor of George W. Bush's life.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Boone Pickens says a lot of the problem is how the American dollar has been trashed in relation to other currencies by Bu$h/Cheney and Republicans.

    http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3102
  • KansasModerate · 1 year ago
    To John Aravosis: I, too, have been studying the issues of oil. There are a lot of factors.

    1) I caan't lay my hands on the information right now, but I understand that not too many years ago there was a substantial cushion of 7 or 8 million (/) barrels a day between supply and demand but that today that cusion is just over one million barrels a day. That means anything that threatens supply, like insurgent attacks on a pipeline in Nigeria, can jack up prices.

    2) There's little direct relationship between producers and oil companies. Today commodity traders buy and sell oil futures just as they do precious metals, grain, etc. They're the bad guys.

    3) Over the winter and into the spring the decline in the value of the dollar jacked up prices

    President Bush has made the future even worse by focusing on new supplies of oil and almost making conservation a dirty word. Had Al Gore's suggestion of a 50 cents per gallon tax on gasoline been adopted today's problem would not be as bad as it is because we would have all reduced our consumption and taken a lot of the demand pressure off the supply.

    Oil companies aren't totally innocent; their failure to upgrade refineries has made them vulnerable to maintenance problems. But the oil companies are getting the shaft from the media and politicians when it comes to profits. Yes, their profits appear high, but the media fails to tell the whole story. Gross revenues are also very high. As a percentage of those revenues, profits are not out of line. They run 8 to 10 percent. I would never allow my broker to buy anythibg for my portfolio from a company with such low profits.
  • best2belikewater · 1 year ago
    John,
    I just read it this AM. Apparently Germany is now on the bandwagon (that we haven't heard anything about, even here in Europe) to discourage and actually ban hedge funds from speculating on the price. The idea that speculation is driving this increase makes a lot more sense than what they've been trying to shove down our throats (that somehow the population has just exploded exponentially in the past year, therefore driving up demand)
  • groovinator · 1 year ago
    I recommend a post at the blog Calculated Risk which considers the aspect of supply/demand vs investor speculation, with links to other articles. Certainly lower interest rates have pressured the dollar, leading money to flow into commodities, including oil. So you have the double whammy of the dollar devaluing on one hand, and speculators putting money into hedges like oil on the other. Both drive up the price of oil. This was a completely foreseeable consequence of Fed policy.

    On the supply/demand side, there is also a supply issue. Moreover, a number of countries (e.g., China) heavily subsidize gasoline for consumers, which distorts the market and pushes prices higher.

    The question is how much is speculation, how much is fundamental, and how does that affect future prices. Here's the link:

    http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    I'm not an expert but here's some info folks may not have considered: The oil industry produces crude that is used for about 10,000 products of which gasoline is just one. The other products (cosmetics, plastics etc.,) yield a much greater profit margin so gasoline is not a priority.

    People in Europe are paying twice what we're paying for gasoline and their priorities are different as a result. I'd suggest that we reorder our priorities and stop whining. Frankly I'd be fine if we boycotted gasoline and other products made from petroleum. Perhaps then the oil cartel would lose its power.
  • rvague · 1 year ago
    The oil price rise is NOT simply a function of supply and demand. It is instead primarily a function of two things, a weak dollar (read inflation) and the "war risk" premium. A Middle East analyst recently estimated that a 1% decline in the dollar creates a $4 ber barrel increase in the price of oil--even if that algorithm is too aggressive, at least $20-$40 of the current price is our own weak dollar. And our dollar has become weak primarily because of the cost of the war in Iraq. In addition, according to Sen. Biden and others, there is likely a 30% premium in the price per barrel because of risk of more widespread war. Keep in mind that it was Volker whose inflation-fighting monetary policies circa 1980 tamed oil price inflation (and other inflation) in that era. And please remember that high prices do not cause inflation. Inflation of the currency causes high prices. A crucial distinction. rvague@gmail.com
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Aren't Americans now paying what Europeans were when Bush came into office?

    Except we don't get the same benefits Europeans do...figure it out. With $11 billion in profits from the first quarter, Exxon Mobil (as well as their brothers-in-crime on Wall St.) are making out like the bandits they are.

    We've gone from market capitalism to theft capitalism.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    You can trust your local Busboy, John A. Oil prices are heading for a bust. The USA could tell the Saudi's and Hugo to take a hike so quickly that they wouldn't know what hit them. All it takes is a little movement on the part of a few dumbass congressmen on both sides of the aisle. As you know, your local Busboy is in the business. But, while prices are up? I can get you into some pretty good looking drilling prospects.... Call me....