"A broad-based coalition of churches and other organizations placed the proposed amendment on the ballot. The Church will participate with this coalition in seeking its passage. Local Church leaders will provide information about how you may become involved in this important cause. "
Time to CONTINUE the attacks against this cult who striped away human rights from a protected class in California.
By the way, I feel the courts will overturn PropHate8 just like they did with Prop22.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Hillarious and informative. I never knew about the innards of Scientology or Momonry until I saw the South Park episodes. They've done some pretty fun political cut-ups of the Roman Church but it'd be fascinating to watch the South Park re-telling about how the Emperor Constantine reorganized the Mithraic religion as payoff to get the Christian catacomb leader to throw in a slave revolt in support of Constantine's civil war to seize the imperial throne. Not political? Hah!
Merciful heavens. My dear great aunt lives in AZ. I've never heard her say a bad word about a soul. And yet. And yet. When my partner and I visited her a few years ago she railed about the Mormons. She didn't say anything specific, mind you. She just had nothing good to say about them. This shocked me.
I had NO IDEA about the history of the Mormons. I'm honestly totally surprised by this video. Amazing.
mirth
· 1 year ago
dum dum dum dum dum
It isn't threatening their tax status or even marching in protests against them that will make Mormons change anything.
It's shining a big bright spotlight on their cult religion with its whacko beliefs that will get their attention...and threatening their tax status and marching in protests against them are two sources of our electricity.
dad
· 1 year ago
preaching collective hate fills the collection plate.
mormons ate the prop. eight bait.
skwcw2001
· 1 year ago
it is amazing that all i here is obama elected and how great it is for civil rights yet it amazes me that there are march's just like the ones during the civil rights movement going on right now and the msm is just giving it a few seconds of sound bites excluding anderson cooper, people think we as a nation have evolved but they fail to see the similarities and the obvious discrimination that is so blatant right now going on, keep marching keep being heard dont prove to the nation the sterotype that we just go away or we shut up when the bars open or we dont care enough to not shop for a day so that we can protest, we are being told we are being childish with statements like not paying tax's or boycotting a state or the mormons, that shows how little people think of our rights, we need to show them that it isnt an issue of childish acting out that we as a people will not go quietly into the night.
My daughter and I have been singing the song since Wednesday morning. Especially the chorus...
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I rarely mention the MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Wow!
The Mountain Meadows massacre involved a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in the Utah Territory by the local Mormon militia in September 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated on September 11, 1857, in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. After all of the party over the age of eight years were killed, their bodies were left to rot for two years on the open plain, their children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of their possessions auctioned off at the Mormon's Cedar City tithing office [1]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_m...
mirth
· 1 year ago
To steal the large amount of exceptionally fine horses (unlike the lesser stock of the Mormons) of the emigrants was most likely the main motivation for the slaughter. Young children and even infants were also killed, but, as wiki states, others were placed with Mormon families. The killers dressed as Indians to disguise their identity and throw off blame.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
So deception is well-rooted in Mormon teachings.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Oh, yeah. You know it.
mirth
· 1 year ago
Deception and outright lies packaged in flowery churchy talk...that is how the Mormon leadership has through the years dealt with the Mountain Meadow Massacre. And they are still at it:
Keep the Mormons and the Catholic churches tied up on multiple fronts.
Sure, organize boycotts-not just of Utah, but also Florida and Arizona, where these same type initiatives passed last Tuesday.
Sure, try and strip these churches of their tax-exempt statuses.
But there's also another weapon that can be wielded here, namely class action lawsuits, at least from those gay married couples in California.
They should be filed against the churches, as the gay married couples have now, undoubtedly, been injured by the actions of these churches.
In fact, try and extend that class action status to all gay married couples no matter where they live, if they were actually married in California, as if that state isn't allowed to recognize formerly legal marriages, then those marriages are at risk in other states as well.
But also, take heart.
True, the homophobes won this round, but in the end, gay marriages will be recognized in every single locality straight marriages are. Which makes all those millions of dollars, and hours of efforts spent pushing Prop 8, and its offspring in Arizona and Florida, completely wasted.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
I like that idea. I would say they most certainly should ask for damages - especially because of another faith campaigning against the sanctity of their marriage. Oh yes!
FunMe
· 1 year ago
The lawsuits against the MORMON cult and other churches is an EXCELLENT idea!
green_libertarian
· 1 year ago
Mormons are people, some with very odd beliefs, some with even dangerous and evil beliefs and practices, like the FLDSers.
The Mormon Church is a cultish church, and a HUGE business.
Bonneville Broadcasting is the media arm of the LDS Church. They own KSWD-FM in Los Angeles.
It'd be a damn shame if someone organized a boycott of the sponsors heard on that radio station.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
The slogan should be: KSWD - The Voice of Religious Tyranny
devis1
· 1 year ago
Were there rallies like what we see now before election day?
mirth
· 1 year ago
There is a 2007 release movie about the Mountain Meadow Massacre, Jon Voight lead actor. It's no award winner, but it does give a good representation of the event.
By your leave and without prejudice or personal critique . . . you know, when I see or hear someone calling one or the other of the religions a cult, all I get out of that statement is that the religion being named a cult is one that the speaker does not like. From what I can gather from the use of the word "cult" in its negative sense, it's a Fundie word originally used to attack non-Fundie churches. As far that goes, it doesn't seem like an especially powerful condemnation unless the speaker is talking to the AM radio fundie crowd. So-and-so's church is a cult but mine is a respectable religion is a strange thing for anyone to say unless they're a fanatical member of a (pardon the expression) "cult."
The bottom line? There are better ways to criticize Mormons than to call the LDS Church a cult. It is neither more nor less of a cult than Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans or even Roman Catholics or Reformed Jews or any variety of Moslem. They all teach nonsense, they're all given to protecting their own, they all have axes to grind against somebody or other. Call them savages, call them ignorant, call them superstitious but call them a "cult" and you're just talking Fundie-gibberish.
RainbowPhoenix
· 1 year ago
Look up the definition of the word cult and you'll see why so many of us are using it.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
or you could stop allowing Fundies to define your vocabulary.
Come on people. Do your research. This is an over stated farce on what Mormon's believe. Mormons believe in a lot of things that might seem impossible, but how many other churches have miracles laced all through there history? Any thing miraculous happen in the Bible? (which Mormons also believe in BTW) Anything in the Koran?
There is no talking hat in Mormon history.
When you say how Mormons are full of hate, don't then follow with a bunch of things you hate about Mormons. It's hypocritical. There are a lot of dumb people in the Mormon religion but there are dumb people in every religion. It seems people single out the Mormons no matter what they do. There were over 100 churches that supported Prop 8. http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/11/list-of-chur... So why all the hate on the Mormons? As for boycotting Utah and the Sundance Film festival... Most of the people involved in the film festival are supportive of the Gay community. It will only hurt the wrong people. You better boycott Italy too. Those Catholics. And the south too. Those Baptists. If you want people to stop hating, you better stop hating others yourself.
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
Can we start hating them after the Mormon Cult, it's millions of tax free dollars and it's minions have stripped us of all of our civil rights?
Or should we just wait till we get to the relocation camps?
Once you begin stripping an identified group of people's rights it just gets easier and easier.
Boycott anything and everything that is under the Mormon Cult's control.
gwyneth
· 1 year ago
Your right there was no talking hat. It was a MAGIC hat. Gosh darn if we don't get those religious historical facts straight! Let's make sure we get the magical properties of the hat and rocks defined correctly.
So here goes, according to old Joe Smith The "golden plates" that had to be given back to "Moroni" after translation were translated by means of looking into a MAGIC hat that had a MAGIC rock in it!! I loved the rendition of it in this Southpark episode. Do Mormons realize this is how the world see's them? Well, anyway maybe it's a little more silly than other religions... just by a smidgeon! But, you all have the right to believe religiously whatever you want... but you don't have the right to put up a minority groups rights up for vote. Especially when those rights happen to be civil ones protected in the Constitution. Magic hat or no magic hats!
green_libertarian
· 1 year ago
The dogma, practices, and real world activities of the Mormon Church is VASTLY different from mainline christian churches.
Blueflash
· 1 year ago
It was briefly mentioned tonight on the evening news that the organizers of Prop. 8 are now planning to take their operation to other states ( how many are actually left by now that haven't amended their constitutions?) . The Mormons have been encroaching on fundamentalist churches in their recruitment ( part of the reason for the Repub base's opposition to Romney's candidacy) and they've probably just gained quite a few new recruits in California - those Mormons may be kooky but who cares if they'll keep my kids safe from the queers! So the disturbing thought occurred to me - next time could we see a fund raising arms race between the evangelicals and the Mormons , each trying to outdo the other in their anti-gay bigotry?
RainbowPhoenix
· 1 year ago
We could take advantage of that to get rid of them both.
davidinchelseama
· 1 year ago
skwcw2001: "It is amazing that all I here is Obama elected and how great it is for civil rights yet it amazes me that there are march's just like the ones during the civil rights movement going on right now and the msm is just giving it a few seconds of sound bites..." ------------------------------------------------------------------- IT NEEDED TO BE REPEATED.
JohnBisceglia
· 1 year ago
Simply put - the Mormons have proved with their complete obsession with PROP 8 to be a Tax-Exempt Hate Group.
Heterosexuals - You better wake up. Instead of pondering a cerebral concept like the "1,138 rights of marriage", you need to educate yourselves about the CONSEQUENCES when one or more of those 1,138 rights are denied. GOOGLE "Freeheld" or "Tying the Knot"; watch the DVDs. Write it down now.
Yes, I did said HATE above - I stand by it. Because how else can you explain these 3 realities? ~
A police woman loses her life in the line of duty; her wife of 13 years is denied all pension benefits.
A rancher loses his husband of 22 years; his inlaws evict him and try to take the home he built and lived in with his beloved.
A detective spends 25 years risking her own life while protecting society; she has to spend her remaining days on this earth worrying whether her earned pension will be transferred to her wife (while living with terminal cancer).
YES, H-A-T-E. And your silence on this matter is a serious affront to our families's safety and security. FAMILY - isn't that a cherished concept in the U.S.A.?
So now after decades of disinterest, some of us in the LGBTI community have AWAKENED. And we will refuse to pay one penny of income tax to the IRS until the government (i.e. - you) decide you WANT our tax dollars as EQUAL CITIZENS.
This ain't a vote - This ain't a debate. PAY MY TAXES until I have what your family ALREADY HAS; your apathy is costing you money as you read this.
Jhyder
· 1 year ago
Well said!!!!!! I am straight but this is bullshit! the rights of a minority shall not be up to a vote of a majority.....what's next? No interracial marriage?.........NOPE....here is what's next.....Warning: the following open letter to Californians is offensive - not only for its unfair singling out of minority groups, but also for the poor sources that it cites. That said, this letter explains how I feel following the election.
* Democratic Consultant's diary :: :: *
Dear Registered Voters of the Great State of California,
On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, the People of California truly triumphed. Californians played a critical role in electing Barack Obama the first African-American President of the United States; Californians affirmed the need for our farm animals to be treated humanely; Californians voted to protect a teenager’s right to have an abortion. Perhaps most importantly, Californians voted to amend our constitution and eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry.
The will of the people has been made clear. However, our work is not done. Therefore, I hope you will join me in pursuing the next critical step in improving our state marriage laws. Specifically, I hope you will support California Proposition 13, which is summarized as such:
13 – ELIMINATES RIGHT OF MARRIED COUPLES TO DIVORCE. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
Some of you may be thinking, "What? That makes no sense. I voted to eliminate same-sex marriage but I definitely support the right to divorce." However, I would assert that you just weren’t thinking things through when you voted Yes on Proposition 8. I will show you why eliminating the right to divorce makes even more sense than eliminating the right for same-sex couples to marry.
California voters voted "Yes on Proposition 8" for the following reasons:
* To protect/restore traditional marriage * To protect Californian families * To protect our children from exposure to ideas that are inconsistent with traditional marriage * To preserve the sanctity of marriage, as defined by our religious beliefs
Let's review how Proposition 13 does an even better job of accomplishing these goals than Proposition 8.
HOW PROPOSITION 13 PROTECTS/RESTORES TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE
A common cry among anti-gay marriage proponents across the country is that gay marriage is an attack on traditional marriage, and as such the electorate needs to move swiftly to "protect" or "restore" marriage. However, there is no clearer threat to marriage than divorce. In order to truly protect marriage, we must ban divorce.
Contrary to everybody’s apparent fear, granting gay people the right to marry does not result in the dissolution of traditional families. Both Massachusetts and California granted this right to its gay citizens. However, we haven’t even seen an anecdote – let alone an epidemic – of heterosexual couples divorcing in Massachusetts or California as a direct result of gay marriage. There has not been a single instance of a married man saying, "Oh well, gays can marry now, so I’m going to leave my wife and children" (trust me, we would know if there was such a case). In fact, the divorce rate in Massachusetts actually fell following the approval of gay marriage.
In the United States, 0.5% of all people aged 15 to 64 get a divorce every year. This divorce rate is higher than most industrialized countries, indicating a clear attack on American marriage. As shown above, this is not the fault of gay marriage in Massachusetts. However, if we move to ban divorce in California, then we can ensure that over 99% of all marriages are preserved. In fact, there would be no factor – divorce, gay marriage, or otherwise – that could threaten marriage. Some of our less responsible citizens may try to go to Nevada to get a divorce, but under our amended constitution we don’t have to recognize that divorce.
HOW PROPOSITION 13 PROTECTS CALIFORNIAN FAMILIES
The signs in support of Yes on 8 were so cute – stick figures of a man, woman, a boy and a girl. Surely, gay marriage threatens the stability of this family...somehow. I don’t have any data to support my assertion, but I’m pretty sure that it’s true.
What I do have data on are the crippling effects of divorce on families in the United States: Only 63% of American children grow up with both biological parents – the lowest figure in the Western world. I am one of the 37% who did not get to live with both of my biological parents. In fact, I have lived through 3 different divorces. Many victims of divorce, like my older sisters, end up having an irrepressible need for attachment and end up jumping into marriage – only to end up getting divorces of their own. Other victims, like me, end up with the exact opposite problem – our crippling fear of commitment stops us from getting anywhere close to something resembling marriage.
Have I tugged at your heartstrings and completely distracted you from the issue at hand? Good. Heartrending true stories aside, I think you will agree with me that nothing destroys families quite like divorce. This is why we need to vote to eliminate this threat to our families.
HOW PROPOSITION 13 PROTECTS OUR CHILDREN FROM EXPOSURE TO IMMORAL IDEAS
A new argument against gay marriage that appeared this election cycle – and a very big reason why many of you voted for Proposition 8 – is to prevent our public schools from teaching children about gay marriage. I agree that our children should not be corrupted by exposure to concepts that are not consistent with "traditional values." I would therefore not only vote to stop schools from teaching children about gay marriage, I would also vote to stop schools from teaching concepts such as evolution, slavery, and dictatorships. By teaching children that dictatorships exist, for example, we give them the opportunity to decide that they like dictators and might want to become one someday. Clearly this is anti-American and against our values.
Unfortunately, California is not ready to stop exposing our children to science, history, and international political systems. However, it is clear that Californians today care very deeply about whether and how marriage is taught in schools. We must therefore capitalize on this interest and stop all teachers from using the word "divorce" in Californian classrooms. By teaching our children that divorce exists, we cheapen the institution of marriage by implying that marriage is not permanent. Indeed, nothing cheapens the institution of marriage more than divorce. We must make it clear: marriage is a permanent civil contract between a man and a woman, and there are no exceptions.
Some might say that this position – amending the constitution to influence a lesson plan – is a little bit extreme. It might seem as though there could be a better way to reinforce traditional marriage in the classroom. However, the voters made clear that the only way to stop a concept from being taught in schools is to eliminate it outright. After all, if we could have voted on a law that prevented schools from teaching gay marriage, rather than a constitutional amendment that eliminates rights, then wouldn’t we have done that instead?
HOW PROPOSITION 13 AFFIRMS OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
We all know that we need the government to approve and adhere to our religious beliefs. Equally, if we do not influence civil law to read exactly like our religious laws, then God becomes very, very angry with us and sends various natural and unnatural disasters our way. After all, God has made clear that He would prefer his believers be required by the government to follow His laws, rather than voluntarily follow out of obedience and love for Him.
Many religious organizations got involved in the passage of Proposition 8, and many religious leaders strongly encouraged their followers to not only vote for – but donate to – Proposition 8. One Mormon family in California gave $30,000 in support of Proposition 8. If you think that’s impressive, then consider the $1,000,000 donation that was given by Mormon Alan Ashton...of Utah.
It is inspiring to see so many people of faith work so hard to push their religious views through the ballot box. Unfortunately, I think many of them believe that their work is done. Surely, it is not. Gay marriage is never mentioned in the Bible. In fact, if you go back to the original Hebrew and Greek translations of the Bible, then monogamous gay relationships between two consenting adults is never mentioned, either (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marj.htm). Oddly enough, in the English translation, passages get broadened from (paraphrasing) "homosexual prostitution is bad" in Hebrew/Greek to "all homosexual activity is bad" in English.
God’s position on gay marriage, or even gay relationships, may be unclear, but not much is unclear about His position on divorce. Malachi 2:16 (NIV) states: "’I hate divorce,’ says the Lord God of Israel." Matthew 19:6 further asserts: "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Christians of all stripes, our work is not done. Just as we are offended by homosexual marriage, we must be even more offended by divorce. Furthermore, since so many religious individuals donated with such zeal to pass Proposition 8, I fully expect that the same people will donate as much (if not more!) to pass Proposition 13.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST PROPOSITION 13
Some may say that they did not vote for Proposition 8 for any of the above reasons. However, I don’t believe them. Opponents of Proposition 8 often claimed that people were in favor of Proposition 8 due to hatred and/or fear of homosexual individuals. However, this is the Great State of California that we are talking about. This is a state where unicorns outnumber bigots.
Some have further asserted that people voted for Proposition 8 out of fear that their children might become homosexual. However, that also does not fly. It makes no sense that the mere presence (or lack thereof) of gay marriage would turn people into homosexuals. It is not a disease; it cannot be caught through mere exposure to the concept. Californians are much smarter than that. If I’m wrong, then I will sell my unicorn farm.
THE ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES AFTER PROPOSITION 13
Imagine what we can do after passing Propositions 8 and 13. We don’t have to stop there. Proposition 14 can eliminate the right of Hispanics to marry white people – they can instead register for domestic partnerships. Proposition 15 can eliminate the right of Jewish people to engage in business contracts with Catholics – they can instead do business based on trust. Proposition 16 can eliminate the right of people over 65 to drive each other – they can instead accompany one another on public transportation. Proposition 17 can eliminate the right of women to own property – they can instead get married to a man who can own the property for them.
This may all sound ridiculous now, but fundamental rights in California can be eliminated with only a simple majority vote. I am confident that we can achieve this majority. While many demographic groups were evenly split in the recent election, one group in particular may now be predisposed to eliminating rights. More than two thirds of black voters voted Yes on 8. Clearly, this is a group who agrees that the majority should be allowed to vote on the minority’s rights. Furthermore, this group also agrees that it is possible to be separate but equal. We welcome them to our coalition, and we also look forward to voting on their constitutional rights.
In summary, I thank you for your support of Proposition 13 as we place it on the next statewide ballot. I will be collecting both signatures and donations as we work together to further protect marriage from its greatest threat: divorce. I hope that you have been inspired by your fellow Californians this past November 4. After all, less than 4 million Californians voted for McCain, but almost 5.5 million Californians also voted to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. This means that well over 1 million Californians said "Yes we can" with the rest of the country, but concurrently added another old adage to the end:
Yes we can...no they can’t.
We should follow their lead.
Sincerely, A Concerned California Citizen BOO-YA!
RonNYC
· 1 year ago
The important thing regarding the Mormons is to find out what they own and hurt them there as much as possible. Radio and TV stations are especially vulnerable since they depend on sponsors. It is actually possible to drive some of these businesses into bankruptcy.
woodroad34
· 1 year ago
Taking away their tax-exempt status for becoming a political entity is one way. Remember when the Republicans went after the Espiscopal church in Pasadena for their sermons on the Bush presidential race?
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I am thinking about a protest outside the local LDS temple where Brigham Young is married off to that Hagerty chappie.
There is potential there to be triple plus offensive.
Check out th letter that was read in ALL of their churches:
http://lds501c3.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lds...
"A broad-based coalition of churches and other organizations placed the proposed amendment on the ballot. The Church
will participate with this coalition in seeking its passage. Local Church leaders will provide information about how you may
become involved in this important cause. "
Time to CONTINUE the attacks against this cult who striped away human rights from a protected class in California.
By the way, I feel the courts will overturn PropHate8 just like they did with Prop22.
http://www.towleroad.com/
I had NO IDEA about the history of the Mormons. I'm honestly totally surprised by this video. Amazing.
It isn't threatening their tax status or even marching in protests against them that will make Mormons change anything.
It's shining a big bright spotlight on their cult religion with its whacko beliefs that will get their attention...and threatening their tax status and marching in protests against them are two sources of our electricity.
mormons ate the prop. eight bait.
www.jointheimpact.com
Sat. Nov 15th
The Mountain Meadows massacre involved a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in the Utah Territory by the local Mormon militia in September 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated on September 11, 1857, in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. After all of the party over the age of eight years were killed, their bodies were left to rot for two years on the open plain, their children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of their possessions auctioned off at the Mormon's Cedar City tithing office [1].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_m...
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_letter
Sure, organize boycotts-not just of Utah, but also Florida and Arizona, where these same type initiatives passed last Tuesday.
Sure, try and strip these churches of their tax-exempt statuses.
But there's also another weapon that can be wielded here, namely class action lawsuits, at least from those gay married couples in California.
They should be filed against the churches, as the gay married couples have now, undoubtedly, been injured by the actions of these churches.
In fact, try and extend that class action status to all gay married couples no matter where they live, if they were actually married in California, as if that state isn't allowed to recognize formerly legal marriages, then those marriages are at risk in other states as well.
But also, take heart.
True, the homophobes won this round, but in the end, gay marriages will be recognized in every single locality straight marriages are. Which makes all those millions of dollars, and hours of efforts spent pushing Prop 8, and its offspring in Arizona and Florida, completely wasted.
The Mormon Church is a cultish church, and a HUGE business.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/burqueno/391536636/
It'd be a damn shame if someone organized a boycott of the sponsors heard on that radio station.
http://www.septemberdawn.net/
The Mormon Church is a cultish church, and a HUGE business.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/burqueno/391536636/
The bottom line? There are better ways to criticize Mormons than to call the LDS Church a cult. It is neither more nor less of a cult than Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans or even Roman Catholics or Reformed Jews or any variety of Moslem. They all teach nonsense, they're all given to protecting their own, they all have axes to grind against somebody or other. Call them savages, call them ignorant, call them superstitious but call them a "cult" and you're just talking Fundie-gibberish.
The temple ceremony.
There is no talking hat in Mormon history.
When you say how Mormons are full of hate, don't then follow with a bunch of things you hate about Mormons. It's hypocritical. There are a lot of dumb people in the Mormon religion but there are dumb people in every religion. It seems people single out the Mormons no matter what they do. There were over 100 churches that supported Prop 8.
http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/11/list-of-chur...
So why all the hate on the Mormons?
As for boycotting Utah and the Sundance Film festival... Most of the people involved in the film festival are supportive of the Gay community. It will only hurt the wrong people. You better boycott Italy too. Those Catholics. And the south too. Those Baptists.
If you want people to stop hating, you better stop hating others yourself.
Or should we just wait till we get to the relocation camps?
Once you begin stripping an identified group of people's rights it just gets easier and easier.
Boycott anything and everything that is under the Mormon Cult's control.
So here goes, according to old Joe Smith The "golden plates" that had to be given back to "Moroni" after translation were translated by means of looking into a MAGIC hat that had a MAGIC rock in it!! I loved the rendition of it in this Southpark episode. Do Mormons realize this is how the world see's them? Well, anyway maybe it's a little more silly than other religions... just by a smidgeon! But, you all have the right to believe religiously whatever you want... but you don't have the right to put up a minority groups rights up for vote. Especially when those rights happen to be civil ones protected in the Constitution. Magic hat or no magic hats!
-------------------------------------------------------------------
IT NEEDED TO BE REPEATED.
Heterosexuals - You better wake up. Instead of pondering a cerebral concept like the "1,138 rights of marriage", you need to educate yourselves about the CONSEQUENCES when one or more of those 1,138 rights are denied. GOOGLE "Freeheld" or "Tying the Knot"; watch the DVDs. Write it down now.
Yes, I did said HATE above - I stand by it. Because how else can you explain these 3 realities? ~
A police woman loses her life in the line of duty; her wife of 13 years is denied all pension benefits.
A rancher loses his husband of 22 years; his inlaws evict him and try to take the home he built and lived in with his beloved.
A detective spends 25 years risking her own life while protecting society; she has to spend her remaining days on this earth worrying whether her earned pension will be transferred to her wife (while living with terminal cancer).
YES, H-A-T-E. And your silence on this matter is a serious affront to our families's safety and security. FAMILY - isn't that a cherished concept in the U.S.A.?
So now after decades of disinterest, some of us in the LGBTI community have AWAKENED. And we will refuse to pay one penny of income tax to the IRS until the government (i.e. - you) decide you WANT our tax dollars as EQUAL CITIZENS.
This ain't a vote - This ain't a debate. PAY MY TAXES until I have what your family ALREADY HAS; your apathy is costing you money as you read this.
* Democratic Consultant's diary :: ::
*
Dear Registered Voters of the Great State of California,
On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, the People of California truly triumphed. Californians played a critical role in electing Barack Obama the first African-American President of the United States; Californians affirmed the need for our farm animals to be treated humanely; Californians voted to protect a teenager’s right to have an abortion. Perhaps most importantly, Californians voted to amend our constitution and eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry.
The will of the people has been made clear. However, our work is not done. Therefore, I hope you will join me in pursuing the next critical step in improving our state marriage laws. Specifically, I hope you will support California Proposition 13, which is summarized as such:
13 – ELIMINATES RIGHT OF MARRIED COUPLES TO DIVORCE. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
Some of you may be thinking, "What? That makes no sense. I voted to eliminate same-sex marriage but I definitely support the right to divorce." However, I would assert that you just weren’t thinking things through when you voted Yes on Proposition 8. I will show you why eliminating the right to divorce makes even more sense than eliminating the right for same-sex couples to marry.
California voters voted "Yes on Proposition 8" for the following reasons:
* To protect/restore traditional marriage
* To protect Californian families
* To protect our children from exposure to ideas that are inconsistent with traditional marriage
* To preserve the sanctity of marriage, as defined by our religious beliefs
Let's review how Proposition 13 does an even better job of accomplishing these goals than Proposition 8.
HOW PROPOSITION 13 PROTECTS/RESTORES TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE
A common cry among anti-gay marriage proponents across the country is that gay marriage is an attack on traditional marriage, and as such the electorate needs to move swiftly to "protect" or "restore" marriage. However, there is no clearer threat to marriage than divorce. In order to truly protect marriage, we must ban divorce.
Contrary to everybody’s apparent fear, granting gay people the right to marry does not result in the dissolution of traditional families. Both Massachusetts and California granted this right to its gay citizens. However, we haven’t even seen an anecdote – let alone an epidemic – of heterosexual couples divorcing in Massachusetts or California as a direct result of gay marriage. There has not been a single instance of a married man saying, "Oh well, gays can marry now, so I’m going to leave my wife and children" (trust me, we would know if there was such a case). In fact, the divorce rate in Massachusetts actually fell following the approval of gay marriage.
In the United States, 0.5% of all people aged 15 to 64 get a divorce every year. This divorce rate is higher than most industrialized countries, indicating a clear attack on American marriage. As shown above, this is not the fault of gay marriage in Massachusetts. However, if we move to ban divorce in California, then we can ensure that over 99% of all marriages are preserved. In fact, there would be no factor – divorce, gay marriage, or otherwise – that could threaten marriage. Some of our less responsible citizens may try to go to Nevada to get a divorce, but under our amended constitution we don’t have to recognize that divorce.
HOW PROPOSITION 13 PROTECTS CALIFORNIAN FAMILIES
The signs in support of Yes on 8 were so cute – stick figures of a man, woman, a boy and a girl. Surely, gay marriage threatens the stability of this family...somehow. I don’t have any data to support my assertion, but I’m pretty sure that it’s true.
What I do have data on are the crippling effects of divorce on families in the United States: Only 63% of American children grow up with both biological parents – the lowest figure in the Western world. I am one of the 37% who did not get to live with both of my biological parents. In fact, I have lived through 3 different divorces. Many victims of divorce, like my older sisters, end up having an irrepressible need for attachment and end up jumping into marriage – only to end up getting divorces of their own. Other victims, like me, end up with the exact opposite problem – our crippling fear of commitment stops us from getting anywhere close to something resembling marriage.
Have I tugged at your heartstrings and completely distracted you from the issue at hand? Good. Heartrending true stories aside, I think you will agree with me that nothing destroys families quite like divorce. This is why we need to vote to eliminate this threat to our families.
HOW PROPOSITION 13 PROTECTS OUR CHILDREN FROM EXPOSURE TO IMMORAL IDEAS
A new argument against gay marriage that appeared this election cycle – and a very big reason why many of you voted for Proposition 8 – is to prevent our public schools from teaching children about gay marriage. I agree that our children should not be corrupted by exposure to concepts that are not consistent with "traditional values." I would therefore not only vote to stop schools from teaching children about gay marriage, I would also vote to stop schools from teaching concepts such as evolution, slavery, and dictatorships. By teaching children that dictatorships exist, for example, we give them the opportunity to decide that they like dictators and might want to become one someday. Clearly this is anti-American and against our values.
Unfortunately, California is not ready to stop exposing our children to science, history, and international political systems. However, it is clear that Californians today care very deeply about whether and how marriage is taught in schools. We must therefore capitalize on this interest and stop all teachers from using the word "divorce" in Californian classrooms. By teaching our children that divorce exists, we cheapen the institution of marriage by implying that marriage is not permanent. Indeed, nothing cheapens the institution of marriage more than divorce. We must make it clear: marriage is a permanent civil contract between a man and a woman, and there are no exceptions.
Some might say that this position – amending the constitution to influence a lesson plan – is a little bit extreme. It might seem as though there could be a better way to reinforce traditional marriage in the classroom. However, the voters made clear that the only way to stop a concept from being taught in schools is to eliminate it outright. After all, if we could have voted on a law that prevented schools from teaching gay marriage, rather than a constitutional amendment that eliminates rights, then wouldn’t we have done that instead?
HOW PROPOSITION 13 AFFIRMS OUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
We all know that we need the government to approve and adhere to our religious beliefs. Equally, if we do not influence civil law to read exactly like our religious laws, then God becomes very, very angry with us and sends various natural and unnatural disasters our way. After all, God has made clear that He would prefer his believers be required by the government to follow His laws, rather than voluntarily follow out of obedience and love for Him.
Many religious organizations got involved in the passage of Proposition 8, and many religious leaders strongly encouraged their followers to not only vote for – but donate to – Proposition 8. One Mormon family in California gave $30,000 in support of Proposition 8. If you think that’s impressive, then consider the $1,000,000 donation that was given by Mormon Alan Ashton...of Utah.
It is inspiring to see so many people of faith work so hard to push their religious views through the ballot box. Unfortunately, I think many of them believe that their work is done. Surely, it is not. Gay marriage is never mentioned in the Bible. In fact, if you go back to the original Hebrew and Greek translations of the Bible, then monogamous gay relationships between two consenting adults is never mentioned, either (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_marj.htm). Oddly enough, in the English translation, passages get broadened from (paraphrasing) "homosexual prostitution is bad" in Hebrew/Greek to "all homosexual activity is bad" in English.
God’s position on gay marriage, or even gay relationships, may be unclear, but not much is unclear about His position on divorce. Malachi 2:16 (NIV) states: "’I hate divorce,’ says the Lord God of Israel." Matthew 19:6 further asserts: "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Christians of all stripes, our work is not done. Just as we are offended by homosexual marriage, we must be even more offended by divorce. Furthermore, since so many religious individuals donated with such zeal to pass Proposition 8, I fully expect that the same people will donate as much (if not more!) to pass Proposition 13.
ARGUMENTS AGAINST PROPOSITION 13
Some may say that they did not vote for Proposition 8 for any of the above reasons. However, I don’t believe them. Opponents of Proposition 8 often claimed that people were in favor of Proposition 8 due to hatred and/or fear of homosexual individuals. However, this is the Great State of California that we are talking about. This is a state where unicorns outnumber bigots.
Some have further asserted that people voted for Proposition 8 out of fear that their children might become homosexual. However, that also does not fly. It makes no sense that the mere presence (or lack thereof) of gay marriage would turn people into homosexuals. It is not a disease; it cannot be caught through mere exposure to the concept. Californians are much smarter than that. If I’m wrong, then I will sell my unicorn farm.
THE ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES AFTER PROPOSITION 13
Imagine what we can do after passing Propositions 8 and 13. We don’t have to stop there. Proposition 14 can eliminate the right of Hispanics to marry white people – they can instead register for domestic partnerships. Proposition 15 can eliminate the right of Jewish people to engage in business contracts with Catholics – they can instead do business based on trust. Proposition 16 can eliminate the right of people over 65 to drive each other – they can instead accompany one another on public transportation. Proposition 17 can eliminate the right of women to own property – they can instead get married to a man who can own the property for them.
This may all sound ridiculous now, but fundamental rights in California can be eliminated with only a simple majority vote. I am confident that we can achieve this majority. While many demographic groups were evenly split in the recent election, one group in particular may now be predisposed to eliminating rights. More than two thirds of black voters voted Yes on 8. Clearly, this is a group who agrees that the majority should be allowed to vote on the minority’s rights. Furthermore, this group also agrees that it is possible to be separate but equal. We welcome them to our coalition, and we also look forward to voting on their constitutional rights.
In summary, I thank you for your support of Proposition 13 as we place it on the next statewide ballot. I will be collecting both signatures and donations as we work together to further protect marriage from its greatest threat: divorce. I hope that you have been inspired by your fellow Californians this past November 4. After all, less than 4 million Californians voted for McCain, but almost 5.5 million Californians also voted to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. This means that well over 1 million Californians said "Yes we can" with the rest of the country, but concurrently added another old adage to the end:
Yes we can...no they can’t.
We should follow their lead.
Sincerely,
A Concerned California Citizen
BOO-YA!