What speculation? Your two links both go to the same columnist and he only speculates whether a supporter of Senator Clinton had ab ulterior motive for organizing the Wright event. That doesn't automatically mean that SEnator Clinton was involved.
Here in Kansas, Obama supporters rigged the February 5 caucuses to suppress the vote, disenfranchising most Kansas Democrats. I would never try to connect Obama himself to what shpporters were trying to do.
But I don't hate Obama. You clearly hate Hillary and will distort anything you have to distort to trash Hillary.
vwcat
· 1 year ago
too bad the on the air news and cable shows are not so interested in telling average voters about it. More interested in smearing Obama
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Well, that would make Wright's remarks over the past few days even more relevant.
Black folks have suffered the dirty tricks of whites for centuries, after all.
lilly
· 1 year ago
and i suppose hillary told him what to say? come on....
jr
· 1 year ago
"let's swift boat the colored fella"-Hillary to Howard Wolfson
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
KansasModerate 11 minutes ago -------------------------------------------------------------------- Many people are very upset with the tactics that Hillary's campaign is using. Some may "hate" her, but I think most of us merely think she's a very deceptive candidate who will do anything to win.
Please what is wrong with feeling strongly for your candidate? YOU obviously feel strongly FOR Hillary, so why can't we feel strongly FOR Obama. For that matter what is wrong with feeling strongly about how we dislike the tactics from the Clinton campaign?
I usually don't like to generalize, but I can't for the life of me understand why so many of the Hillary supporters who come here to Americablog HATE on those of us of a different opinion?
Perhaps you might you be able to help clarify? Thanks.
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
Well, it would be nice if people learned to attack ideas not people, regardless of if it's Hillary, Obama, or McCain. It is just sad that politics comes down to attack ads instead of debating policies, and as long as it stays that way there will be little compromise and little accomplished. One of Hillary's strengths is that she works with republicans. McCain has worked with democrats on numerous pieces of legislation. Obama has voted a straight party line, which is at odds with his rhetoric of change.
interlude
· 1 year ago
i wandered over to LeftCoaster to see what Hillaryland is thinking today. they point to Corrente piece accusing Obama of racism...or more exactly of suggesting that Hillary's campaign is racist... i couldn't resist a response:
lemme see, when Clinton staff people just happen to remind voters a few days before each primary that Obama happens to be black, that's not racist. when Hillary's team gets Wright on center stage to keep thefears about the black church and the ANGRY BLACK MAN alive, that's not racism. mmmmmm. ok. considering the fact that Hillary has promised to obliteate the citizens of Iran at will, and considering the fact that she says more positive things about McCain than about Obama, and considering the fact that every Republican from Rush to Newt is promoting Hillary, maybe it's not racist after all.
maybe it's just republican.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Well done Interlude!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Does it really matter at this point? If team HIllary did, I think it backfired and that is what matters. Team Hillary wanted to push Wright previously, hoping to back Obama in a corner. I think they were surprised.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Aquarius, Did you notice that the Hillbots attacked the points again? This is so absolutely juvenile that it reminds me of a very bad day in grammar school.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Yeah, I did. I also noticed ericgoldman present and jaclemon probably aka elme. I am of the opinion, who cares? I am going to post what I want, when I want. I have no idea why they target specific people, could be something I said, LOL . I know someone or groups targeted the hell out of Mirth.
I wish John would just get rid of that feature. It shows nothing other than anyone for any reason can go in and smack the hell out of the buttons. It certainly doesn't tell me who's comments are of value. I don't need a point system to identify trolls or for that matter, commenters that add value or knowledge to a conversation.
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
As I previously wrote, I pressed a wrong button and have now unpressed it. I am no longer "following" you (in disqus speak) and was never targeting you.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
NY Daily News is your source? And the LA Times has been trashed by people in this blog before too. I mean, c'mon, it's a bit ridiculous to blame everything that goes wrong for Obama on Clinton.
And as for attacking the points, Obama supporters on the blog have been doing it as well. I try to be very even handed and yet, because I say things that aren't critical of Hillary, my points go down. There are some serious haters here who can't stand to hear anything negative about Obama or anything positive about Clinton.
And so, divided, we will allow McCain to be elected and to continue Bush's policies. Hooray for us.
aquarius2 2 minutes ago --------------------------------------------------------------------- My votes are with both of them, plus one or two others from this morning. Perhaps we should feel flattered that they dislike us as much as they appear? I too wish John would get rid of that feature PLUS just ditch this entire DISQUS software: I absolutely HATE this new format!
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Mike_H ------------------------------------------------ I thought we agreed to make a point at fighting AGAINST McCain and not each other?
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Indeed, Polly_Tics, that is what we should do, fight against McCain. And I don't mind *real substantive* criticism of either candidate. But this thread is nothing but a smear -- total speculation based on an opinion piece in a newspaper article. We shouldn't be doing THAT to either of our candidates.
And it's been rather dismaying to watch my points continually go down when I work very hard not to be mean or vicious or insult the intelligence of anyone. I do post when I think people are being unfair or holding one candidate to one standard but not treating the other candidate the same way. But it was mentioned in this thread by someone other than me that "Hilllbots attack the points" -- so, to be fair, I pointed out that it's not just Clinton supporters attacking points unfairly.
Again, is the double standard and hypocrisy shown by SOME (not all) that bothers me, because that's not the way to unify us nor is it the path to victory.
And I still believe that no matter who the Dem candidate is, we need to solidify behind them. But that means that the anti-Clinton bias is just as dangerous to our party as an anti-Obama one.
There is still a very real chance Clinton will be our nominee, in fact the last few days have actually increased her chances, since Rev. Wright -- for his OWN motives, mind you -- has really wounded Obama. Maybe not irrevocably, but Obama's negatives are increasing as a result. It's not fair, but it is reality.
Rab
· 1 year ago
McCain will not be president. The sheep are not going to vote for someone that old. Who will he pick for VP? The entire country will look at that individual as President, the repugs have nothing but lightweights for VP. End of game.
sittenpretty
· 1 year ago
Margret Carlson,is a DITZ
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Rab, ----------------------------------------------------------- Never, ever discount just how the majority will vote against their best interests!
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Is Hillary involved in this? Not so far as I know.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
hawkseye 0 minutes ago ---------------------------------------------------- It was a strong Hillary supporter whose idea it was to get Wright to the Press Club yesterday. Do you actually think that politics didn't have anything to do with that effort???
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
We're in agreement. I was making fun of Hillary's answer to a question re Obama being a muslim.
Mike_H
· 1 year ago
Polly_Tics, if you dig deeper, you'll find that the Hillary supporter who got Wright on the Press Club actually had tried to get him on before, in 2006, long before Obama was even in the race. And she also got him to speak at a different Press Club event in 2007, well before Obama was the front runner and no one realized Rev. Wright would be an issue.
In short, the woman in question had a history of thinking Rev. Wright would be an interesting speaker for the Press Club well before he became a known liability to Obama's campaign, and since he is actually newsworthy lately, it was logical to invite him again.
It's not quite as sinister if you learn the full history.
ndtovent
· 1 year ago
i doubt that Hillary was involved. Seems quite a stretch to me.
Rab
· 1 year ago
Polly Tics, this is a summer of meltdown this summer, gas prices will only go up, the repugs might try to attack Iran, the repugs have nothing to offer except misery, I will predict here and now that McCain will NOT win.
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
If the democrats want to win they better start saying why people should vote FOR them, instead of trying to run AGAINST Bush. This whole strategy of tying McCain to Bush is stupid, Bush is not on the ballot and people won't fall for the silly "McSame" stuff.
fl79tr
· 1 year ago
Thats so true Bulldog909 we shouldn't point out the McSame issue...
That totally didn't work for Bush when he ran against Clinton in 2000 and beat Gore. It especially won't work this time because McCain is essentially running on a plat form that is barely distinguishable from Bush, and has tied himself to Bush. Republicans would like nothing better than for Americans to stop thinking about the deplorable situation we've been put in because of Bush, and for us to give them a clean slate to redefine themselves as "mavericks" what a joke!
boycott
· 1 year ago
Well Rev. Jeremiah Wright was not on the ballot. Yes people is stupid they will fall for the silly "McSame stuff. If McCain come out as the President, the process of voting will be completely destroyed from generation to generation. I maybe wrong, but we don't know what tomorrow will bring.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
Rab, I genuinely hope you are right about that!
DavidinChelseaMA
· 1 year ago
It's a looong time between now and November. This swiftboating crap will ultimately run its course. Obama will win the nomination and the election in November.
Rab
· 1 year ago
Hey bulldog, did the repugs work with Democrats the last 8 years? Pull your head out and see reality, the repugs oppose compromise and hillary is repug-lite, don't talk about compromise, bullshit.
Polly_Tics
· 1 year ago
bulldog909 1 minute ago ---------------------------------------------------------- I agree about open discussion without the horror of the name calling hordes. However, when you talk about Obama not being bi-partisan it is hardly accurate.
Did you know that both Goldwater's son, PLUS Nixon's and Eisenhower's daughters have come out in support of Obama.
Obama has attracted quite a lot of Republican praise, funny you hadn't heard about that.
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
Getting support is one thing, and children of republicans past carry little weight. I am talking about working together on legislation. Crossing over party lines and voting on compromise bills. He has not done that, ever.
Rab
· 1 year ago
No, Bush=McCain and yes that is the issue. 4 more years of bush if McCain is elected, what don't you get for something being relevant?
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
That is the issue for Bush haters. If you want to win, you need independents and soft republicans. If McCain offers ideas and democrats offer 'no more Bush', McCain is the next president. McCain has cultivated a maverick reputation for too long for a 'McSame' campaign to work.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
See! Awesome comment:
And Obama denouncing Wright today? All part of the plan. What conversation serves Obama better - talking about religion or talking about health care? Religion. Clinton is left out of that conversation. And Obama gets to denounce a racist! How cool is that? Heck, even within the constructs of the hero's journey, Obama has now had to sacrifice a loved one. Perfect!! http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
boycott
· 1 year ago
So you think this is cool huh? Ask yourself the question; what will happen if the process of voting was completely destroyed? If you ask me, I'll say Senator Clinton plan did work perfect!! From generation to generation the histroy books will tell all of the events. Perfect!!
boycott
· 1 year ago
Who will Obama has to sacrifice next, guess who his grandmother. LOL
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
Thanks! I knew I would find some much needed comic relief here.
Thurston Howell the Third
· 1 year ago
Bulldog, I agree. Ideas win elections, even bad ones like tax cuts we can't afford. The sooner Dems start talking about the direction they want to take the country in the better.
bulldog909
· 1 year ago
There are 2 choices - set the agenda, frame the debate in your terms on your issues, or let your opponent do it. I am convinced that Dean plans on running an anti-Bush, anti-war campaign, and as a result the dems will lose. His latest ad, with a video of McCain answering a question that they edit to alter the answer is a classic mistake. The truth will come out, and it will look like a dirty trick, which the American people hate. If McCain talks of cutting taxes for the middle class, cutting gas taxes, giving rebates for health care, etc., and the dems say "we're not Bush, vote for us" , McCain is the next president.
hawkseye
· 1 year ago
Discus is not working, I see. My last response is in reply to Polly Tics.
rugbyman
· 1 year ago
to all the hillary supporters - let these people believe she was involved. they deperately need to have someone to blame for the campaign that went up in flames. it could not be "Obama who walks on water" is a flawed candidate. So you think Hillary sent him to the church 20 years ago and told the REV what to preach for 20 years? or are you just blaming the Clinton's for exposing the madness. WAIT until the Republicans get him.
ggm1957
· 1 year ago
Hillary has gotten away with way too much bs. I am not sure how whatever she does is okay no matter how deceptive and dishonest she is? How do her supporters still blindly support the lies?
ericgoldman
· 1 year ago
Silly time has returned to Americablog.
The Reverend Wright's invitation to the National Press Club was proposed by one person, who supports Hilary in the election, and approved by an entire committee.
There is no Hilary Clinton campaign connection.
bfraser55
· 1 year ago
It sure seems like the underhanded thing the Clinton's would do. I am really suprised by all the sleezy things that are coming out about them. I was once a big supporter of Bill, now I don't know what to say.
boycott
· 1 year ago
Think outside of the box, let us look at the big picture. Ask yourself the question; what will happen if the voting process was completely destroyed? From generation to generation the story will be, the then Senator Hillary Clinton, was so much in love with Rev. Jeremiah Wright's words "God Damn American" until they came to pass. So if she become the nominee and if the Clinton's or the McCain's become the next president. I just wonder or you STUPID or not? What will happen?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Well, Reynolds was introduced as the person who organized the event and she is a big Hillary supporter. Go figure...
boycott
· 1 year ago
Why the New Reporters don't tell the people the truth? The truth is that the superdelegates did not do the job in which they are appointed to do. Senator Barack Obama shouldn't be going through these things with Senator Hillary Clinton. If the superdelegates right now don't stop the games playing. They haven't seen nothing yet. This will completely destroy the voting process from generation to generation. Think outside of the box.
All Comments
Here's the correct link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008...
Here in Kansas, Obama supporters rigged the February 5 caucuses to suppress the vote, disenfranchising most Kansas Democrats. I would never try to connect Obama himself to what shpporters were trying to do.
But I don't hate Obama. You clearly hate Hillary and will distort anything you have to distort to trash Hillary.
Black folks have suffered the dirty tricks of whites for centuries, after all.
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Many people are very upset with the tactics that Hillary's campaign is using. Some may "hate" her, but I think most of us merely think she's a very deceptive candidate who will do anything to win.
Please what is wrong with feeling strongly for your candidate? YOU obviously feel strongly FOR Hillary, so why can't we feel strongly FOR Obama. For that matter what is wrong with feeling strongly about how we dislike the tactics from the Clinton campaign?
I usually don't like to generalize, but I can't for the life of me understand why so many of the Hillary supporters who come here to Americablog HATE on those of us of a different opinion?
Perhaps you might you be able to help clarify? Thanks.
i couldn't resist a response:
lemme see,
when Clinton staff people just happen to remind voters a few days before each primary that Obama happens to be black, that's not racist.
when Hillary's team gets Wright on center stage to keep thefears about the black church and the ANGRY BLACK MAN alive, that's not racism.
mmmmmm. ok.
considering the fact that Hillary has promised to obliteate the citizens of Iran at will, and
considering the fact that she says more positive things about McCain than about Obama, and
considering the fact that every Republican from Rush to Newt is promoting Hillary, maybe it's not racist after all.
maybe it's just republican.
Did you notice that the Hillbots attacked the points again? This is so absolutely juvenile that it reminds me of a very bad day in grammar school.
I wish John would just get rid of that feature. It shows nothing other than anyone for any reason can go in and smack the hell out of the buttons. It certainly doesn't tell me who's comments are of value. I don't need a point system to identify trolls or for that matter, commenters that add value or knowledge to a conversation.
And as for attacking the points, Obama supporters on the blog have been doing it as well. I try to be very even handed and yet, because I say things that aren't critical of Hillary, my points go down. There are some serious haters here who can't stand to hear anything negative about Obama or anything positive about Clinton.
And so, divided, we will allow McCain to be elected and to continue Bush's policies. Hooray for us.
Hillary: Why?
Vicky: He knows why.
http://www.tv.com/the-simpsons/last-tap-dance-i...
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My votes are with both of them, plus one or two others from this morning. Perhaps we should feel flattered that they dislike us as much as they appear? I too wish John would get rid of that feature PLUS just ditch this entire DISQUS software: I absolutely HATE this new format!
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I thought we agreed to make a point at fighting AGAINST McCain and not each other?
And it's been rather dismaying to watch my points continually go down when I work very hard not to be mean or vicious or insult the intelligence of anyone. I do post when I think people are being unfair or holding one candidate to one standard but not treating the other candidate the same way. But it was mentioned in this thread by someone other than me that "Hilllbots attack the points" -- so, to be fair, I pointed out that it's not just Clinton supporters attacking points unfairly.
Again, is the double standard and hypocrisy shown by SOME (not all) that bothers me, because that's not the way to unify us nor is it the path to victory.
And I still believe that no matter who the Dem candidate is, we need to solidify behind them. But that means that the anti-Clinton bias is just as dangerous to our party as an anti-Obama one.
There is still a very real chance Clinton will be our nominee, in fact the last few days have actually increased her chances, since Rev. Wright -- for his OWN motives, mind you -- has really wounded Obama. Maybe not irrevocably, but Obama's negatives are increasing as a result. It's not fair, but it is reality.
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Never, ever discount just how the majority will vote against their best interests!
Not so far as I know.
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It was a strong Hillary supporter whose idea it was to get Wright to the Press Club yesterday. Do you actually think that politics didn't have anything to do with that effort???
In short, the woman in question had a history of thinking Rev. Wright would be an interesting speaker for the Press Club well before he became a known liability to Obama's campaign, and since he is actually newsworthy lately, it was logical to invite him again.
It's not quite as sinister if you learn the full history.
That totally didn't work for Bush when he ran against Clinton in 2000 and beat Gore. It especially won't work this time because McCain is essentially running on a plat form that is barely distinguishable from Bush, and has tied himself to Bush. Republicans would like nothing better than for Americans to stop thinking about the deplorable situation we've been put in because of Bush, and for us to give them a clean slate to redefine themselves as "mavericks" what a joke!
I genuinely hope you are right about that!
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I agree about open discussion without the horror of the name calling hordes. However, when you talk about Obama not being bi-partisan it is hardly accurate.
Did you know that both Goldwater's son, PLUS Nixon's and Eisenhower's daughters have come out in support of Obama.
Obama has attracted quite a lot of Republican praise, funny you hadn't heard about that.
And Obama denouncing Wright today? All part of the plan. What conversation serves Obama better - talking about religion or talking about health care? Religion. Clinton is left out of that conversation. And Obama gets to denounce a racist! How cool is that? Heck, even within the constructs of the hero's journey, Obama has now had to sacrifice a loved one. Perfect!!
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
The Reverend Wright's invitation to the National Press Club was proposed by one person, who supports Hilary in the election, and approved by an entire committee.
There is no Hilary Clinton campaign connection.
So if she become the nominee and if the Clinton's or the McCain's become the next president. I just wonder or you STUPID or not? What will happen?