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AMERICAblog: Subprime write-down expert RBS talks of "soft landing"

  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Hey, these are the criminals who devised the CDOs and other schemes to foist off those mortgage securities on each other...and created the entire credit mess. And we're to believe these "soft" landings? Bullshit.

    I don't care how much money the Fed and the Bank of England are giving them--it's only protecting their profits, not the overall economy, and we're in for bigtime trouble. We haven't even seen the worst of it yet.
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    Nothing that was done was criminal. Nothing about the creation of CDOs is criminal. Too much money supply lead to people bidding up the value of assets well beyond their intrinsic worth. If you think the Fed is lending money to protect profits, then your not very financially astute. The system was seriously at risk of collapsing because of Bear Sterns. There is a such thing as counterparty risk, and if Bear wasn't bailed out, a lot of other financial institutions that dealt with Bear would've failed as well.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Asian stocks plunge (and Europe's not doing too well, either):

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087...

    Still optimistic about that "soft" landing, RBS?
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    If five parachutists make a leap and four of them splat on the ground because their parachutes didn't open while the one lands hard and breaks a leg, the one who is alive is allowed to say, "I was lucky and had a soft landing." Thus RBS. Altruisim, according to the Farengi Laws of Acquisition, is for loosers. We know ithat's how it is, it's just that we hope for better from our fellow beings, even if they're not quite human.
  • Reason0Politics1 · 1 year ago
    right on Chris.

    Now your beginning to see the light. And, you didn't make a silly comment like " But if the Dems will act..." Hopefully you realize that there is NO political solution to this. Its too late for that. The house of cards which is unregulated financial markets, has lost its foundation, and NO amount of "Borrowed" money can save it. Could take a week, or 5-8 months, but the bottom is going to completely fallout, and even they know it can't be stopped.

    What bothers me the most is the wandering ditto head head ignorant traitor person I still have to listen to, day in, day out, still parroting complete and utter BS that this unraveling of the ponzi scheme known as Wall Street is because of people that borrowed more than they could afford. Completely typical arrogance and naiveity. These limbaugh scumbags, and I frankly just cannot believe people are so freaking stupid to even listen to those assclowns still, ALL spout how they were smarter than that, or have more integrity! ROFL. This root cause of the greatest collapse in history of wealth is the tiniest piece of it. Wall Street and its "creative" leverage is 1000 times more responsible, yet thats who we are enabling and bailing out.

    Incidentally, of the almost TRILLION in short term loans, etc, made to Wall Street cronies, of course NONE of it will ever be paid back, you all know that right? LOANS? My ass. Phonly monopoly money, GIVEN to cover bad bets by gamblers,and, Nationalization of banks.

    Who said the Bush admin isn't as Commie as any PRC card carrying member?
  • paulbe · 1 year ago
    Soft Landing? The hard landing has already happened, The greatest damage becomes evident during the fallout. That's still coming.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    Ah, I see. So there's nothing criminal about selling mortgage securities worth nothing? Nothing criminal about slicing and dicing up mortgage securities that are virtually worthless? Nothing criminal about overvaluation of properties by appraisers who fudged the numbers? Nothing criminal about lies and deceit by mortgage companies? Nothing criminal about govt agencies that won't work and won't oversee what they've been legislated to do?

    Maybe not--maybe it's a lack of ethics, maybe it's lack of care, maybe it's lack of a lot of stuff, like this regime is prone to.

    Just sit back and watch the slew of lawsuits (civil, of course) by companies that may happen because of this conflagration. And watch the homeless population increase at the same time. What's their option?

    Hey, go shopping!!
  • Reason0Politics1 · 1 year ago
    nothing criminal about the behavior of the rating agencies? AAA rating for insolvent bonds, companies, and all the other shit?

    your the fool, pal.

    But of course to recognise conspiracy is insane though, right? But its fine when you GOP boot lickers, anything for a tax cut, go on about the "left wing media"..etc..

    you people should be so proud... ruthlessgravity...blind support for the very hangman on his way to drop you to your death. /golfclap
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    Do you know how hard it is to analyze bonds, companies, etc and narrow down everything involved in the risk to a letter code? No professional investor is suppose to rely on rating agencies to do their due diligence. It wasn't individual investors buying CDOs, it was financial institutions that are suppose to do their own due diligence prior to putting their investor's money at risk. I'm not a Republican, but I did work on Wall Street and realize the disconnect between how Main Street sees things and Wall Street sees them. This is all more art than science, and people get it wrong. What did they do that was criminal? Not downgrade the ratings fast enough? Give the wrong rating? They rated the debt based upon the projected cash flows of the underlying securities (mortgages). It’s not on them if people lie about their income or lenders put people into products they couldn't afford. Tell me what law was broken? Wall Street gets bailed out because without it, there would be no mesh of capitalism and democracy...both are dependent on one another in our system of government. We need institutions that lend money to other businesses to finance capital expenditures and operating expenses, so that we can have a fluid and dynamic economy.

    Also, I've been a Democrat my entire life. Being a Democrat and understanding finance and economics are not mutually exclusive.
  • OlderAndWiser · 1 year ago
    "Wall Street gets bailed out because without it, there would be no mesh of capitalism and democracy...both are dependent on one another in our system of government."

    Ruthless, I've worked for many companies during my 50+ work years. I've had more than a few tell me, "We're not a democracy here."

    That statement you posted was just more bullshit.
  • ruthlessgravity · 1 year ago
    "We're not a democracy here." - at the company? Of course companies aren't democracies. Its top down leadership.

    I was stating that a political system needs to have an economic system that compliments it. There are very few combinations that have held up as long as ours. When political systems try to become economic systems, you get authoritative government with price controls (ie, communism). When government controls money supply, you get politicians managing economic systems to their own benefit (ie, Mugabe, Hitler, etc). Our system works because we have private banks that do the governments bidding by supplying capital to businesses and individuals. From time to time, the government must step in and save the banks from themselves with taxpayer money. Is there another combination that has had as few hiccups as our system? I'm waiting all day for someone to name one....
  • jr · 1 year ago
    "write-downs are like getting an autograph from your favorite baseball player"-Larry Kudlow
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    And the spin continues from the great minds that believe that their running the worlds financial system. It does get sickening every time the man who orchestrated our looking over the financial abyss pokes his head up again telling how wonderful his reign was. Considering where we are today, I am amazed that the man can even show his face in public.
    Greenspan did another media tour last week, this time defending his legacy in the Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, and on CNBC Television. Unfortunately the story from Greenspan was much the same: he reiterated that the financial markets are best left to self-regulate, and that investors around the world (not the Fed) took control of long-term interest rates thus leading to the U.S. housing bubble. Astonishingly, Greenspan added, “I have no regrets on any of the Federal Reserve policies that we initiated back then…’ and ‘I don't remember a case when the process by which the decision making at the Federal Reserve failed.’ Having already amassed a fair amount of criticism as the U.S. housing bubble deflates and the financial system teeters on the brink, is it any wonder that Greenspan’s most recent comments sparked a further lambasting? Who does ‘no regrets’ and never ‘failed’ Mr. Greenspan think he is - a cross between Frank Sinatra and Jesus?
    It may be nice to think in his own warped little mind that he has no regrets, but there are millions in our country who are suffering now because this man didn't do his job as the chief regulator for our nations banks and those we elected were alsleep at the switch as well. It will take years to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, and in the meantime, those in D.C. seem to have no problem extracting yet another pound of flesh from we the tax payers in order to clean up their mess.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    It looks like the DJIA is going to test the bottom around 11,500 one more time; and, if it holds, happy days are here again!