DISQUS

AMERICAblog: Sunday Talk Shows Open Thread

  • stash · 1 year ago
    Time for a Mary McCarthy moment.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Good morning.

    Frank Rich today:

    .....if we’ve learned anything from the G.O.P. convention and its aftermath, it’s that the 2008 edition of John McCain is too weak to serve as America’s chief executive. This unmentionable truth, more than race, is now the real elephant in the room of this election.

    No longer able to remember his principles any better than he can distinguish between Sunnis and Shia, McCain stands revealed as a guy who can be easily rolled by anyone who sells him a plan for “victory,” ....

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/opinion/14ric...
  • gaiilonfong · 1 year ago
    Women against Palin rally BIGGER than goodbye rally with pics as proof unlike the McPAlin/Rove campaign that lies

    http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Bail'in on Palin

    About two hours after Palin's speech Saturday, hundreds of people protesting the policies of Palin lined a busy Anchorage street, waving signs and chanting "Obama!"

    In addition to Obama supporters, the protesters included those who don't agree with Palin's positions against abortion, her support for the Iraq war and other issues. One woman held a sign that read, "I'm Bail'in on Palin!" Another said, "Pro Woman, Anti-Palin." Another read, "What About Healthcare?"

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26693683
  • dad · 1 year ago
    JOHN MCCAIN IS A LIAR.
    he is bush. he is cheney.
    he is republican.
    he is failure.
    he is lies.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Yes, and as a grandma of mine would have said, "He is full of more shit than a Christmas goose."
  • caphillprof · 1 year ago
    For you Log Cabin types lurking here: via today's NY Times:

    But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book “Daddy’s Roommate” on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.

    “Sarah said she didn’t need to read that stuff,” Ms. Chase said. “It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn’t even read it.”

    “I’m still proud of Sarah,” she added, “but she scares the bejeebers out of me.”
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Log Cabin types are "Jews for Hitler" because they are motivated beyond the social and civil rights issues that affect their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. Most of them are greedy trust fund babies, and nothing but promises of tax cuts and protection of their "nest egg" will have any effect on them. Don't waste your time and breath on them. They are a worthless waste of good oxygen. Well, there might be one or two who are trying to mole their way into the party but the rest of them, are just SCUM. I have ZERO use for them, myself.
  • WDemDem · 1 year ago
    I dated one of those trust fund babies, and if you've seen (or done) one, you've seen 'em all. They don't give one shit about GLBT issues.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I've served on an LGBT issues organization board with a couple of them and one was a Log Cabin leader. They were lovely people and politically astute in many ways, but terribly misguided in my opinion.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    I knew one who worked for Senator McCain. He answered the phone at his Senate Office, and was like a scheduler / assistant. He was a REAL piece of work. Closeted, and totally against any LGBT issues. In fact, he would get real hateful and pissy, in a group of gay people, when any gay issue was brought up because he knew he would have to take the unpopular stand of standing up for Republicans and the wrong side of the issue. I'll give him one thing. He was consistent. He was a consistent asshole.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    mccain campaign: we are lying because we've got nothing else that connects.

    mccain has nothing but lies.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    blah blah blahbuddy blah fuckin blah...y'all have got an uppity white trash alaskan mooseeatin' jeebus freak for veep and aint no way no how you can dress her up. Caribou Barbie is so far outta her league, this is beginning to actually be hilariously funny. Do notice the new gravatar to the left. I called Matel to offer up my idea but they hung up on me.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    ITS TIME FOR OFFENSE TO TAKE THE FIELD. HERE ARE THE COACH'S NOTES:

    1. Someone, from the Obama / Biden campaign needs to have a poster of Osama bin Laden behind them, and a pointer. There needs to be a map of Iraq and Afghanistan.
    2. That person needs to go point by point over the failed war on terror with the same refrain: "Had this not occurred Osama bin Laden would not be FREE eight years after he masterminded 9-11"
    3. That person needs to drive home how Bu$hco. is trying to say other people caused 9-11 because of their failures.
    4. That person needs to hammer home if Democrats Obama / Biden had been in charge, we would have fought a smarter War on Terror and we would have captured or caught him by now, and if Republicans do catch him before this next election then its further proof we were right.
    5. GET AHEAD OF THE STORY! STOP PLAYING DEFENSE DAMMIT!
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I soooo agree......Obama/Biden camp needs to consistently and constantly hammer the message that WE ARE NOT SAFER.....Bin Laden has not been captured...and is regrouping.....and the McCain camp is trying to peddle that we are safer under them........bull.
  • WDemDem · 1 year ago
    Not to mention that we need to be campaigning against MCLAME and not Palin. We need to stop talking about or giving any time or energy to Mooselini.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Yes, yes! For god's sake, yes! Until recently, I thought Obama was running a brilliant campaign, but now, I want him and Axelrod to wake up, and start landing hard punches.
  • Shannon · 1 year ago
    Have you noticed that Sara is dressing and running as a "Wal-Mart Mom"......I wondered what was up with the ultra ugly clothes.......
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    "I wonder how many times you have to be hit on the head before you find out who's hitting you? It's about time that the people of America realized what the Republicans have been doing to them," - Harry Truman.

    I should add that the many criticisms from the GOP and its flacks of my attempts to bring to light all aspects of Palin's dreadful record and constant lies reminds me of Harry Truman's dictum. I'm only airing the truth. It's just that it feels like hell to the liars, Sarah Palin and John McCain.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    FYI--Jane Hamsher was really good pitted against surgically altered pit bull Mona Charen this morning on cable teevee's C-SPIN...Even using some blogger words and concepts like "American Idol candidate" and Johnny's dangerous unfitness.
    Does anybody clip C-SPIN and upload to YouTube?
    Funny thing about Mona...The live segment played from 7:30 to 8:30am this Sunday morning...she was dripping jewels and had unbuttoned her blouse possibly 2 buttons too many for the Lord's day. Jane's clothing, in contrast, would have been appropriate for a First Communion.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I saw most of that.....funny how when a caller asked about the education of the candidates and that Obama had graduated from Columbia and Harvard School of Law......fruitcake Mona Charen replied to the host that the caller was a typical liberal snob......
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    I'm interested, grandma, in your opinion of Ms. Charen's mode of Sunday morning dress...Did you think the unbuttoned blouse a tad too airport lounge for Sunday's am hours???
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    I agree it was too much.......yes.......guess I just feel that is a part of the Right wing mode ....I don't ever watch Fox anymore but always thought their female hosts were often inappropriately dressed.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Beware Mona:

    "But you trusted in your beauty, and played the harlot because of your reknown, and lavished your harlotries on any passerby. You took some of your garments, and made for yourselves gaily decorated shrines, and on them played the harlot; the like has never been, nor ever shall be. You also took your fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given to you, and made for yourself images of men, and with them played the harlot..."

    --Ezekiel
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Or just inappropriate
  • ccokz · 1 year ago
  • dad · 1 year ago
    nothing better defines john mccain as being the same as george w. bush than lying to get what he wants.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    By God if McCain / Palin somehow pull this out and win, I had better not hear ONE DAMNED SNIVELLING REPUBLICAN bitch about health care or they will NEED some health care!
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    if they win??...what a horrible thought....I'm trying to figure out how to get out of this country should they , God forbid,win.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    We are going to Canada if they somehow take this. My paper work is underway. Mom was Canadian so it's not too too difficult. Currently brushing up my high school French. Learning "O Canada". And reading some Canadian history which is pretty interesting. I'd rather live in a parliamentary system after these last eight years anyway. I don't give a shit if my tax rate is fifty percent. I will have health care.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Canada has conservatives in power right now. Not as bad as Bush, but not what I would like if I lived there. Sounds like they will get rid of the wingnuts this coming election. Yes, they are lucky to have parliamentary system. And best of luck if you move there.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    Yeah, but there is going to be an election because Harper does not have the confidence of the complete Parliament. In Canada they have not had a majority party in power for many, many years. As a result if the majority of Members of Parliament vote non confidence the government is disbanded and they go to the people to vote. 60 days from start to finish. I have been a member for 40 years even though I live in the U.S. No party is perfect but the one thing a parliamentary system has is the ability to change the driver. The checks and balances mostly work in the U.S. Congress and the President must agree for the most part or there is compromise. I too am planning to move to Canada should the "LIARS" get elected.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    But checks and balances haven't been working so well in the last few years, so I would really prefer the parliamentary system.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    From what I can tell, in the UK and Canada, the election campaigns last but
    a couple of weeks after the government is dissolved. Here we suffer through
    a four year long primary season and it's rife for abuse with obscene money
    being poured into the advertising sales departments of the major media
    outlets.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Yes, my cousins in Canada and England closely follow our campaigns, partly for entertainment value. They don't see how we can stand it.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    I will leave the USA for good if Grandpa Munster and Caribou Barbie somehow
    win this thing. Fortunately Canada seems a good option as mom was Canadian
    and they are still honoring that system although it's a bit stickier than it
    used to be. I would be very proud to call myself a Canadian for the few
    years I left in this life. I am ashamed of the USA and how it has become a
    nation of junior high school kids tittering about gay rights, tittering
    about stuff that means bullshit in terms of the nation's wellbeing. NASCAR
    rules. Those of us who teach, who studied hard, who live modestly to give
    something back to the culture, who have dedicated our lives to trying to
    improve things...we are being laughed at. Fuck it. And good riddance. You
    want a pig with lipstick, then you shall have one.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I am a retired teacher, too. I blame most of the national stupidity on Rethug programs to undermine education. I always had glowing work reviews, but left before 20 years had passed because I was sick of teaching without materials. I taught history without maps, English without essential supplementary texts or workbooks. And even though California salaries are relatively good, they're still an insult.
    A former colleague of mine said "Babysitters get $7.00 an hour for taking care of just one kid. I teach 150 kids per day, and at $7.00 per hour per kid, for 180 days, I'd be making $189,000 per year. Now, for that kind of money, I'd throw in a little teaching."
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    Fortunately I got a great job, shit pay, at a private school. But we DO have
    enough funds for supplies. And these kids are smart, basically very well
    behaved, and have a pretty good work ethic. So it's really what I had hoped
    teaching would be thirty two years ago when I started. But you are quite
    right. It is utterly shocking the amount of tax dollars pissed away on WAY
    too many administrators who are total idiots. It's a very corrupt system in
    many cities. Dallas right now is under the FBI's eye to find where millions
    of dollars have gone into political patronage jobs rather than classrooms.
    The word on the street is that the FBI is about ready to give up because it
    is so bad and so deep and so difficult to figure out what is going on.
    There are apparently plenty of teaching jobs in Canada in small towns and
    the salaries there are determined on a national scale. I heard that I would
    make double what I make now, after 32 years of it, as a starting teaching
    salary. And apparently they hire Americans WITHOUT green cards and do the
    paper work later. O Canada, Thy Sons and Daughters True!
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    If you don't go to Canada, consider the SF Bay area for a teaching job. Jobs are not plentiful, but a step-one teacher is favored. Administrator overload is not such a problem here and the CTA/NEA lobbies the Dem controlled legislature hard for improvements. Unfortunately, Guv Arnold is resistant to change, so there still isn't enough money for schools.
    Starting salaries here are set by state and beginning pay is about 27,000. Local pay is negotiated by teachers and that's why some schools are low on materials. Teachers say, we'll take the lion's share and you go out and find money for supplies. As a result, administrators and other "support" personnel are kept down to about 10% of the employee mix. In this town, parents set up an educational foundation and they buy materials for the schools, so the situation is better than when I was still teaching.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    I had checked out SFO about five years ago and there are very very few jobs
    unless you are fluent in Mandarin. Also the cost of living there is worse
    than NYC....you do need a car in SFO...Dallas is just fine for now. If I
    ever leave this situation it is to leave the USA for good. I lived in Europe
    for 8 years, many years ago and had the chance to stay permanently. That was
    a Road not Taken mistake. My own daughter has moved to Europe permanently
    and that has pleased me as her children would face a very bad life here if
    this election goes the way of these two morons. Thomas Friedman's NYT column
    today sums it all up very well. The future of this nation is at stake.
    Thanks for your info, though.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Damn folks - we got flooded out here in Oklahoma last night. Fortunately, we are up on a hill but our valleys are flooded with the remnants of Ike!
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    St Louis and Chicago have warnings!?!?!?
    Has a hurricane EVER penetrated this far inland and with such strength before?
    God must be mighty angry with the rule of George Bush and the sinful lying manner of McPalin's campaign.
  • gumbygirl · 1 year ago
    I'm originally from Pittsburgh, and I remember Hurricane Agnes in 1872 causing all kinds of damage in PA.
  • gumbygirl · 1 year ago
    Ha!!! Not 1872, I am a bit tech-challenged!
  • gumbygirl · 1 year ago
    I'm originally from Pittsburgh, and I remember Hurricane Agnes in 1972 causing a ton of damage in PA.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Hope you and loved ones are getting along all right.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    We are doing fine here in NE Oklahoma - just lots of rain... a little flooding but nothing as serious as on the coast, for sure.
  • Kansaskitty · 1 year ago
    We've had 6 or 7 inches of rain in the last 2 days here in SE KS. Everything is swamped. We live on high ground, too, but have to cross a few rivers & creeks to go anywhere. I think the rain is about to quit here, thank goodness.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Group With Swift Boat Alumni Readies Ads Attacking Obama

    A new group financed by a Texas billionaire and organized by some of the same political operatives and donors behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against Sen. John F. Kerry in 2004 plans to begin running television ads attacking Barack Obama,

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...

    McCain denounced the swiftboat attacks on Kerry.......and he is going to approve of this?.....liar, hypocrit, fraud that he is.
  • CDS2 · 1 year ago
    Amazing....Schumer talked about Tax Returns, Giuliani talked about Energy problems. How small....
  • Kansaskitty · 1 year ago
    I have no use for Shumer. He's all about himself and doesn't give a crap about anyone else. One of the clueless ones that has been in Washington too long.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Thanks for telling us. I'll skip MTP when it comes on here. I think I'll try ABC's This Week, although I can't stand Stephie and Croaky.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I watched about 10 minutes of McAskill and Fiorina on This Week. Claire was good, Carly was glazed over with the Kool Aid she's been drinking and lied and lied so I turned it off.
    I guess I'm getting too old to put up with such stupidity.
  • tjlabs · 1 year ago
    Be scared, be vary scared. Karl Rove's latest monstrous creation is roaminf free across the land.
    http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/09/dr-rovenstein...
  • Joneses · 1 year ago
    GOP do not care about the American people. There's no Country First. It's party first.

    There's a hell of a ground movement, something that the national polls can't relate to. Ras poll is total bull sh__.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    yep, the polls are bullshit.
    do not trust the polls...
    the Rovians are gaming the polls to make it appear close, that way it'll be easier to jack with a few voting machines and flip some votes...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/poll-m...
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    now that the msm is beginning! to broadcast the truth about McCain's lies, McCain's campaign blows it off by saying that's the "media filter" and they don't give a shit...they'll keep lying to win because that's putting Country First!!! /snark and gag.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/216648.php
  • tommytoonz · 1 year ago
    If anyone tivoed Face The Nation it's worth watching Debbie Wasserman Schultz, THIS is exactly how EVERY Democrat should be talking. She's direct, calls McCain out on lies and is able to counter Hutchison and Swift's claims with actual facts. This woman needs to teach a class to other Democrats about how to go on news shows and not look like a weak tool.
  • Stevens · 1 year ago
    I see the McCain camp is still too scared to put Palin out on the Sunday talking head shows. Suppose she's holed up somewhere trying to look sincere and learn not to laugh when Hannity hands her the softball, easily spun questions that will no doubt make her look like God's gift to America.