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Obama is Hitler, and his proposals to reform health care are so horrific they are on a par with the Holocaust.
And yet, Mr. Wiesel who survived the Holocaust has nothing to complain about because it was no big deal.
I don't know about any of you, but I am afraid we (as a nation) are on the downward part of our spiral...
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Apparently the word they were looking for was 'cretin'.
I believe one of the best ways to prevent these zombies from ever regaining power is to support the current Administration and offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism towards fulfilling campaign promises.
But I'll still try:
You are, by your post, someone who hates:
Gays, Jews, Athiests and poor people.
Don't deny it now, you'll just make yourself look even more stupid.
For the rest those are sad facts everyone acknowledges, but they have no comparison with the ill political use of the largest genocide in history.
These are the same idiots who compare a biracial man to Hitler, after all, with a straight face.
This is basically the same as Goldberg's idiot book on fascism: Accuse the other side of exactly what you are guilty of, it's a time honored GOP wingnut technique.
"Objective"? Is there another meaning to "objective" that I haven't heard?
Very very very very very very VEERYYYYYYY wrong, darling teabagger. The Nazis were staunchly capitalist, and by principle anti-communist, which is why so many of the other countries in Europe were not initially alarmed by the rise of the Nazi regime. Fascism (and capitalism- NOT democracy alone) is the natural enemy of communism. Fascism is nationalistic and capitalist; communism believes in an eventual international society, without country borders. Therefore, you can't be both a fascist and a communist. Also, socialism and communism are not synonyms.
Then again, I'm going assume the teabaggers do not know this, since they declare Obama to be both fascist and communist.
"This respected Israeli scholar argues that fundamental ideological and political goals of Nazi leaders made them receptive to revolutionary economic theories such as those of J. M. Keynes. He examines how the economic system of the Third Reich was based on an anti-liberal philosophy that proved extraordinarily effective in bringing about the 'German Economic Miracle' by 1937."
There are no words which can sufficiently convey what an outrage this is -- particularly since it's clear that at least two of the comments above were posted by people who don't even have the faintest clue who Elie Weisel is or the reason for his objection to the signs which likened health care reform to Dachau. What disgusts and infuriates me most is the fact that some of these people apparently consider themselves to be Christians when anyone with two viable brain cells to rub together should be able to tell that this kind of vitriol is completely incompatible with the principles advocated by Jesus of Nazareth. Speaking as someone who was raised in the church, I find it utterly impossible to understand how anyone who truly claims to believe in Jesus can possess so little humanity as these people. If any of them were subjected for even one hour to some of the nightmarish horrors that this man and his fellow survivors were forced to endure and which they will carry for the rest of their lives, they would not even dare to open their mouths. Even though I know that I myself should at least try to find some compassion in my heart for such wantonly blind and misguided people, I have to admit that that it's completely beyond my capacity. After all, why should I have compassion for them when it's clear that they have none themselves?
*Sigh*...would that it were that simple, hmmm?
1) These commenters would claim that they can't be antisemitic because they support Israel. Of course, this is one of the problems of tying anti/philo semitism to a nation state; rather than a group of people.
2) The notion of the un-Godly Jew is is one that has been predominant among pro-Israel Christian groups (such as CUFI) for some time. As these groups tend to believe that all Godly Jews must return to Israel in order to usher in the tribulation.
3) The Rothchild conspiracy thing has been around longer than I have -- as I rermember hearing it as a child. Ron Paul, and other anti-reserve conspiracy types, have invoked it numerous time over the past few years.
All in all, these comments read like a potpourri of basic rightwing talking points. . .
The idiot probably was marveling why Wiesel was so flat-chested in the photo.
"I am not a racist."
"I have friends who are homosexuals."
"I respect ladies."
No, scratch that. You're a dumbfuck
i have my own criticisms of Obama, but to say he's "like Hitler" belittles not only victims of the Holocaust, but the overarching tragedy that was WWII, as well as the sacrifices and sufferings of all those who lived through it, or died as a result of it. Judging by the median age of the crowds at these so-called 'tea parties,' many of these people were probably around when there actually *was* a Hitler. Their apparent amnesia is especially disquieting.
Moreover, although many perceive health care reform (*any* health care reform) as tantamount to a complete socialist takeover of the economy, the reality of the situation makes them look like Chicken Little screaming "the sky is falling!"
If you really want to make comparisons between US presidents and Hitler, try this on for size: Hitler sought to reinvigourate the German economy through massive military buildup (Ronald Reagan did the same), passed the Enabling Acts, which stripped civilians of many civil protections and granted himself unchecked authority (sound like the PATRIOT Act to you?), and enacted an imperialistic foreign policy (as we all know). Does that sound like what Obama's doing? i thought not.
Funny how it works with morons, huh?
We just have to face the fact that many people can't understand. analyze and think critically about issues. They follow the soapbox yelling of the Fox news ilk and unthinkingly swallow every absurdity for later (loud) regurgitation.
Too bad the zio-leech didn't die..
Perhaps instead of knee jerk reactions, Zionists (whether the mild garden variety or the spicy variety) could mature politically and realize that Zionism is a colonial ideology that has no place in today's modern world.
If Israel wants to move forward from being a colonial power to a legitimate democracy in the eyes of the world, it needs to be all inclusive and grant everyone from the river to the sea equal rights. This is often termed the "One State Solution" and it's the only remaining solution at this point.
I do not believe that such an imposing on other countries should ever have been. That's colonialism and like Avi said, it has no place in a modern world.
Time to give up nations' property rights, I say.
I had been looking forward all day to watching Cspan last night with my husband and mocking the rethugs and bluedogs. Instead I had to listen to a stupid teabagger, who shares some of the same DNA as my kids!
We really need to get the Fairness Doctrine back. Clearly the American people are too stupid to decipher truth from fiction on their own.
I used to think that anti-Semitic comments like this were so over the top that they had to be done by anti-Palestinian agitators. But you just can't make up so many versions of this kind of insanity.
How about this one: "I respect Wiesel's will to survive the ordeal he went through, and his efforts, however misplaced, for Jewish welfare, but his politics are counterproductive. Elie Wiesel is committed to the disarmament of citizens. He has refused any association with the JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership), and has condemned its activities."
The irksome thing about this entire movement is that they seem to be arrogantly proud of their hatred and willful ignorance.
Now Clinton's efforts to reduce the deficit was relatively a good thing, but the people who "care" about deficits didn't give a shit.
Some people are too stupid to breathe. However, these comments prove they do breathe. One of the mysteries of the universe.
*One day John had somehow really worked himself into an over-the-top frenzy of fierce protective feeling toward Israel and was calling for the bombing of Tehran. That set off a comments firestorm, I'll tell you!
Aw, that's so sweet! Tell us, when did you stop beating your wife?
I was a tea party supporter when it was against the banker bailouts in Sept 08. It has since been co-opted by neocon establishment types. I no longer support them.
Please watch Money Masters to educate yourself on the history of the monetary system. Very well done and a fascinating topic. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=vi...
Nazism, chooseyourism" without any substantive evidence other than internet
rumor to back your statements. Perhaps the Hapsburgs are really behind all
this. In some arcane and diabolical plot to restore their lost glory!
(snark)
I was never aligned with any of the 'tea-' anything movement (despite being addicted to actual tea), but also opposed the bailout. It reminded me too much of when Enron looted the California treasury via the PG&E 'bailout'.
Granted, it's not hard to understand why growing up in Cuba under Castro might have left Juan with a bad taste in his mouth...but unfortunately, in much the same way that a cat which sits on a hot stove lid will probably develop an instinctive fear of all stove lids in future regardless of temperature, he's overgeneralized this experience into a flawed belief that right = good and left = bad.
Maybe this makes sense in "Cube," but in the USA, political dissent and criticism is encouraged. That includes criticism of the media, which includes (sort of) Fox News. I think you need to understand the difference between criticizing someone and shutting someone up. Not the same things. At all.
If you hang out with bigots, chances are you are a bigot.
Imagine if a right-leaning blog criticized the progressive movement based on the words of a few internet extremists. Would that be fair? Would that prove a point?
What happened to discussing the core principles of an issue rather than this superfluous nonsense.
It hurts my brain that you think that conservatives shouldn't care about their radicals. Liberals always appreciate knowing who they should shut up or ignore on their end of the spectrum; this is in part why Michael Moore's gotten less popular.
Right-leaning blogs get really, really excited about reactions like this, but then use it to flame liberals rather than...just letting it speak for yourself.
The truth is that Obama is in no way advocating a full-on socialist state, and pretending that the slippery slope is somehow ensured under his guidance is like assuming that relaxing gun enforcement is going to turn the U.S. into the wild west. It's utterly, completely ridiculous.
For the love of whoever, stop thinking that believing something makes it more true.
I never said Conservatives shouldn't care about their radicals, I just don't see the point in caring about these particular radicals. They have no power, no influence, and their views are held by such a small small percentage of the population, that there's no point in wasting time to even consider them. And do liberals really appreciate knowing who to shut up? It took years for Michael Moore to fall out of favor, and that was more to do with the public at large rejecting his extremism rather than liberals as a group. Meanwhile, congressmen like Grayson are given free roam to spout hateful and counterproductive language in the House without any repercussion from the Democratic party or liberals at large.
I'm not saying right-wing blogs haven't done similar things, and they deserve a share of the blame. But we have to stop pointing at internet comment boards as if they're legitimate views. More often than not, they're the byproduct of pointless extremists that both parties should work to reject.
I can agree that Obama isn't advocating a full-on socialist state, but several of his domestic policies reek of pseudo-socialism to a certain degree. Furthermore, your comparison to gun control laws aren't entirely accurate. The critical difference between gun control laws and a public healthcare option is that the latter can't be easily repealed. A system of that size and of that magnitude, with so many dependents, could not possibly be removed by a future legislature (regardless of how many issues the system might have). It's not that I believe he's leading us down a "slippery slope" (although some do), I just fear that the decisions he makes will be permanent.
"the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens… the abolition of all incomes unearned by work… the ruthless confiscation of all war profits… the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations… profit-sharing in large enterprises… extensive development of insurance for old-age… land reform suitable to our national requirements…"
Sounds kinda like Socialism to me. Even Hitler, in a 1927 speech, declared, "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak". To argue that Naziism was a staunchly capitalistic movement, with no traces of socialism, is another fallacy. The growth in size of the German government between 1920 and 1940 rivaled that of any other socialist country in the 20th century.
The idea that people voted for both Bush and ___/Palin because they thought that they could "relate better" to them makes my brain hurt very much.
I see three things:
Ignorance, which is ironic considering they're saying everyone else is ignorant.
Fear, because they're afraid they've been brainwashed into think the world is going to end. Blame the media, blame religion, blame their parents, but in the end, they're afraid this planet's going down in flames because gays can get married, people want the government to run healthcare, and the country isn't being run letter-perfect like they'dve run it.
And finally, and most importantly, is Hate. It's not enough to just accept that things aren't how they are, they hate anything that's not like them and their views, and use whatever off-label "expert" they can find to justify themselves.
Hitler started his political career as a leftist in order to capture the support of the many working class unions in Germany at the time.
After he was in place at the head of the Nazi Party (the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY), he secured power through Krystallnacht, and proceeded to consolidate absolute power.
He implemented almost none of those Socialist policies.
I do, however, agree with you in that painting all teabaggers as ignorant anti-semites is a terrible disservice to their point of view. Just as some right-wingers paint Democrats as America-hating moral degenerates, the Leftists too have their own stereotype of the right winger.
All in all, it is the extreme partisanship of the country that creating such public dissatisfaction.
Who, you ask, is driving we Americans apart?
The media. Not CNN or Fox specifically, or MSNBC, or any other single channel. They are working in concert to divide and confuse us. They would love nothing more than our blind rage as we refuse to admit the worth in the other half's viewpoints, as all the while the politicians in Washington collect their ill-gotten gains.
I pray that God will grant us the gift of consideration and clear thought, because as today stands now, we are already at war in our hearts.
Not with terrorists, although we should defend ourselves from them, and not with dictatorships, although we should always hope for their dissolution, but with each other.
The greatest evil of today is the lack of communion in America.
Hitler was a fascist first off. Fascists are the far right wing fringe. Socialists are the far left fringe. Hitler and Mussolini were both Fascists. Stalin who was a communist wanted the Fascists to desist in their conquest of Europe. Stalin helped the Allies against the Axis powers, later when Berlin was spit up East and West, the USSR took the East. Then we get into the cold war.
Socialism is fundamentally for shared assets. Fascism promotes the corporation above the person.
Get 'ur education you ignoramus.
If you'd like to bother yourself to read a book, try this one: http://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Economics-Ideology-T...
"This respected Israeli scholar argues that fundamental ideological and political goals of Nazi leaders made them receptive to revolutionary economic theories such as those of J. M. Keynes. He examines how the economic system of the Third Reich was based on an anti-liberal philosophy that proved extraordinarily effective in bringing about the 'German Economic Miracle' by 1937."
And as a American-Norwegian I'll tell you this; socialism the way you know it was not implemented in Scandinavia during the 30s. Mostly there was a form of social-democracy, much like we have today.
Get your fact straight, chump.
The blinding level of partisanship in this country is significantly hampering our ability to reach meaningful resolutions to the many issues that plague our country. In the same way that "teabaggers" may unfairly characterize the efforts of the Obama administration, the left unfairly characterizes the "teabaggers" as out of touch and selfish. Whether you'd like to believe it or not, the Conservative movement in this country is not dead. While the Republican Party, as a brand, is severely damaged, the ideals that supported since Reagan still remain prevalent in our great country. Gallup polling reveals that self-identified Conservatives are the most populous ideological group, coming in at just over a third of the population. To dismiss their vision for this country would be a poor decision for any political party, especially one with as much power and responsibility as the majority Democrats.
John I, your dismissal of the "teabaggers" as paranoid is no more accurate than the right's dismissal of leftist wiretapping concerns for the same reason. In both instances, the activists demanding rights from an overreaching government were deemed irrationally afraid of the government.
Orbital, your descriptions of Socialism and Facism are two huge extremes, and they both fail to represent the many different gradations that can be found between them. As I explained above, many of Nazi Germany's policies were rooted in socialistic philosophies, whether you'd like to believe it or not. Certainly, Germany had numerous Facist policies, but to assume that that meant Germany had no Socialist agenda is false. Be careful before calling someone an ignoramus next time.
In general, liberal news is way, way less opinionated than conservative news. This makes it less partisan and thus better as news.
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/...
Nothing but information has been posted in this article. The fact that you personally don't know whether or not the comments were faked doesn't matter, because no respectable source is questioning them. Don't be an idiot.
Fox News is incredibly, incredibly twisted with their sources, claiming that certain media executives are somehow "experts" on almost any random bit of ridiculous slander that Murdoch wants on people's minds. Fox is the least respectable major 'news' network out there. If you think that they tell you the truth, you just fail.
George Bush was their would-be messiah. He was the 'war president.' He talked with god. His administration style was as if he were shaking Ronald Reagan's skull like a magic 8-ball. His was the chance to show that if you fork over tax cuts to billionaires, the money somehow trickles down, not percolates up. His was the chance to prove conservatism was the answer.
Much to their chagrin, though, he failed, and try as they did with McCain and Palin, the Republicans knew deep down they'd missed their chance. Now their uppance has come in the form of Barack Obama and a Dem-controlled congress. Theirs is the agony of defeat. All those protests? Those are the throes of the tormented.
The people who wrote that trash are scum. But it's unfair to pretend that they represent the whole group...
These idiots are fighting against their own best interests, because they're f'ing morons who believe whatever they're told. They actually believe Obama is Socialist, fergodsakes! Now that's just plain stupid...
Ignorant, vicious & repellent--it that how America want to be seen by the rest of the world? These freaks make our country look much weaker than it needs to.
They have the First Amendment right to free speech, but so does Weisel, and so do the rest of us.
I honestly blame the poor education system we have here in the states.
Peace, love, and capitalism, motherfuckers :)
http://www.disabilitymuseum.org/lib/docs/797.ht...
The Jews' Holocaust propaganda really has been worn out, but it did happen. However, there is no recognition given to the origin of the Holocaust--Disabled People!
Not only were at least 45,000-500,000 Disabled People exterminated before and during the years Hitler included Jews, Gypsies, feminine gays and political dissidents, Disabled People kept on being exterminated for another two weeks after the U.S. rolled into Berlin.
Any real Jews who were exterminated, I feel sorry for. However, some propagandists who claim to be survivors, weren't even in Germany, France or Poland.
Some of the mouthiest propagandists, are LIARS and fakes. Some of the real survivors have boasted how they survived!--They ratted on their families, and agreed with the Nazis to turn them in to be exterminated. That's some survivor, huh!
The lucrative propaganda-machine keeps the Zionist elite living off the pity of the Christians, but the Zionists don't care any more about the Jews, who they consider their "lesser brethren", than they care about Disabled People.
That is why the Holocaust never ended in 1945.--Only the Jews' Holocaust ended! Our Holocaust continues to this day, and it now is carried out in a variety of ways, which the media doesn't dare give much attention.
Yall are just Trash That Won't Burn.
You cherry picked (or made up) quotes (or fake quotes planted by your fellow Odumba felchers) to make it seem like people opposed to your leaders' statism are bigots.
I guess when you aren't capable of discussing ideas or policies, thats all you little whores and flaks can do.
That got your ass handed to you last week in two states, so I guess you are a submissive little bottom boy eh? You need another fisting?
This would be something most people who aren't truly and tragically stupid would not have to be told.
Her lawsuit against the Kenyan imposter was courageous and commendable. She is a true image of the Jewish people.--Not a communist judge, who is guilty of treason against the Constitution of the U.S.A.
Your boasting of being GAY, seems to give you a feeling of superiority to heterosexuals. Since so many of you claim to be GAY/Lesbo, it sounds like you gender militants are anything but a poor, downtrodden minority.
Since the GAY population seems to now be a majority, you no longer deserve the protection of minorities' rights.--Think about it, the next time you get so cocky, spouting off your GAYdom!
I'm a "disability-sexual"! Do you know what that is??? It's a sexually active partner of a disabled person.
I think you need to learn the difference between Jewish people--and ZIONISTS!
Jews, Muslims and most citizens of every country are victims of a very arrogant class of social parasites. Whether rich or poor, prejudice has no borders.
The blame for Global hate and de-population belongs to Zionists, gullible evangelical Zionist worshippers, Islamic and environmentalist barbarians, and university scum-elite professors from the departments of social-sciences.
Your post only exposes that you are nothing but a spoiled, pampered rich brat.--Anything but a Jew!
also: Tea baggers attack family mourning loss of mother/unborn child: http://bit.ly/5hR4AL