AMERICAblog: Texas reaches for the dark ages, again
Deacon_Blues
· 8 months ago
I am so damned sick of the willful ignorance of the right. It's like they pride themselves on their stupidity.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 8 months ago
it looks like pride and stupidity, but it could be abject fear of thinking.
Tysalpha
· 8 months ago
It is fear of thinking. You're not supposed to question "God's" authority -- even with logic -- because that is akin to how Satan tricked Eve into taking the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
At least, that's what I was taught in southern baptist sunday school. Thank god my education comes from an (at that time) well-achieving, liberal, secular humanist public school system. ;)
Mark in Florida
· 8 months ago
You are exactly correct on that comment. They do not think, and they live in fear. It's what keeps the ranks high, and the republican votes coming in.
solargroupies
· 8 months ago
This is what happens when we have failed to teach critical thinking skills and the average reading level in the US is sixth grade.
AdrianBrowne
· 8 months ago
Because if you categorize "Creationism" with "Science" then the word "Science" has lost its meaning. "Science" could mean "anything that pops into someone's head."
brian
· 8 months ago
how is education still a problem in America. This needs to be taken care of. 99poblems has some good video fir this topic
hrh
· 8 months ago
Texas, once again on the wrong side of history, and damned proud of it.
Gridlock
· 8 months ago
""I'm a skeptic. I'm an evolution skeptic. I don't think it's true," he said. "You need to present other ideas to the kids."
Other ideas? Sure.
Are these other ideas based on sound scientific theory and method?
... no?
Then wtf would they be doing in a science class learning about UNSCIENTIFIC religious garbage?
Mark in Florida
· 8 months ago
The best part of the quote is "I don't think it's true"..... brilliiant scientific analysis. So really you don't "think" it's true, you are not sure? What do you base this on? Your gut feeling? Something your pastor told you? King James?
King James Genesis states that the Heavens are held up by great columns. I can tell you as an Architect the slenderness ratio would never be large enough to prevent buckling of the weight of the 'heavens' with such columns. But that's just my wacky old physics getting in the way of a good story.
I have had it with creationists, and anti science morons. Seriously, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
TxDC
· 8 months ago
Oh, Mark — What are you smoking? You obviously have never even read Genesis much less any other books of the Bible because your ignorant statement about what King James Genesis states is hilarious and certainly untrue. And what do you base your belief of evolution and non-belief of God on . . . a gut feeling? Or perhaps your "wacky old physics" because your physics are definitely wacky as physics shows that nothing can come from nothing, and as far as the "big bang theory" could not have happened if you know physics. You know, some people pay attention to people like you. Are you SURE about all life coming from evolution when the great scientist whose theory it was concluded it was a failed theory? How can you question anyone about what their pastor may have told them when you obviously have no basis for what you claim to believe. I'm glad you've never been my architect — now that's something to be afraid of. Don't think for a moment Creationists aren't fed up with the likes of you and your lies. I don't know a single Creationist who is anti-science. You are just spouting off things like this because you ARE an ANTI-GOD moron. I feel sorry for you and those who are stupid enough to say the kinds of things you do. The only people who are not believers in God are those who've been too "AFRAID" to learn the truth. Those who have really wanted to learn the truth, NEVER went back to such blasphemy. I pray you wise up so we don't have to see you down below burning in Hell for all eternity while we are at complete peace in the most beautiful and perfect place that even we cannot imagine. And, we don't believe that killing people is going to get us to Paradise where we (men only) will have hoards of women to please us or any of the other crazy things some so called religions believe who in reality are just cults.
Mark in Florida
· 7 months ago
TX-
I am highly spiritual. Nothing you say or do can deter me from my beliefs on a spiritual level. You my friend are the ungodly one because you sat in judgement about me without even knowing me.
I beleive the old testement in any form is an interesting story, and holds some good life lessons. Perhaps you should read it again and learn from it.
Not believing in creationism does not make you un Godly. Ignoring evidence like physics and science makes you blind to the truth.
This banter is pointless with the likes of you because you are unable or unwilling to think out side of the box.
Do you deny that we can measure the speed of light? We are seeing stars that are already dead. We can extrapolate how old our earth is based on our understanding of time and space. Let alone basic examples of the Grand Canyon and the fact that we can measure in our lifetime how old it is.
And PS: You could not afford my design services.
I was taught evolution by nuns for god sake. Challenging your beliefs does not mean the absense of God.
Get your head out of your ass and stop judging others and foisting your beliefs on others.
I know I am going to heaven. You have much to learn about life and love.
eagleye
· 8 months ago
I wonder if the Creationists can tell me where God came from?
Steve_in_CNJ
· 8 months ago
they say god is outside of time so the question is meaningless. unfortunately, that also makes god meaningless, for all practical purposes.
TFN, good group! Texas also has Jim Hightower, whose writing I love to read.
Gorgonzola
· 8 months ago
While there at it the Texans should deal with this nonsense theory about the world being round.
Mark in Florida
· 8 months ago
You mean the world is not flat? Is that what you are implying??? Blasphamy.
phyllisann2k
· 8 months ago
Texas is a lost world. I moved here 15 years ago thinking I would encounter a wonderful adventuresome people, instead I found a entire population afraid of their shadow that clings to every world Rush has to offer. My disappointment runs from the deer hunting of caged critters lead to the feeding bins and killed by the good old boys parked comfortably in their deer blinds to the education of our children that runs 1.5 to 2 years behind the eastern states. The Democratic Party here is also stuck in the good old boy world. The e-mails from the Texas Democratic Committee have looked exactly the same, picture all all for the last several years. No new thought, no progress. The sad story, that is what Texas wants. This doesn’t even begin to express the racial prejudice I see on a day to day basis. True, I live in a small Texas town but for goodness sake, it is 2009
Mark in Florida
· 8 months ago
This is exactly the reason why we need to get on boards and get involved.
These nutjobs are on boards, casting votes and making decisions based on fear and ignorance. It is one thing to come out and vote in presidential politics, where the republicans win is on the local level.
There are some major freaky people on school and county boards. Very scary.
SCLiberal
· 8 months ago
You just described South Carolina too.
Mark in Florida
· 8 months ago
Wow. Ignorance abounds. If we can measure the speed of light, and we know that we are seeing stars that have died because we know they are so far away that it takes millions of light years to reach us, then it is easy enough for a fourth grader to comprehend that we have been in existence for more than 9000 years, or what ever crazy notion of time these creationists have.
If we can measure how much of the grand canyon has been cut by the Colorado river, we can also extrapolate the milenia it took to create such a massive place.
They ignore simple evidence. And ignore carbon dating. How do these creationist function from day to day. They walk around in an ignorant haze.
It's staggering to me that we are even having this discussion in 2009.
Can we just saw off Texas, and let it float into the Gulf of Mexico, and all of the lunatic bomb throwing freaks of the religious right can create their own dysfunctional hell hole of a country.
barkleyg
· 8 months ago
Sweet Sarah, the Huckster, and Texas: This is 2009, not 1009. The DARK AGES is over!
Torquemada
· 8 months ago
yea, and submit the heretic liberal alchemists to The Question too!
benb
· 8 months ago
Next month they're taking up an amendment to challenge the Theory of Gravity. Nobody really knows what it is and it was that Jew Einstein that made the claim about Gravity and the warping of Space-Time.
Mike_G
· 8 months ago
You are suppressing the theory of Intelligent Falling!
Your 'Gravityist' religion deceives you from seeing what everyone knows, that it is the Force Of Jesus that holds us all to the surface of our flat earth as the sun revolves around it.
It's all detailed in the Discovery Institute's latest book, available free to all schools, "Hold Me Down, Jesus: Why Us Good Christians Haven't All Raptured Up to Heaven Yet".
RitornaVincitor
· 8 months ago
It's such a shame when having faith means you must deny facts.
JackDallasQueer
· 8 months ago
Texas, by its charter, could secede from the USA with the stroke of a pen. Would that it happen.
Wesinoregon
· 8 months ago
This is an old legend that keeps going. See Texas V. White.
Please give me enough warning to hightail it out of here.
freeleeper
· 8 months ago
some people believe in angels but not dinosaurs. i'm still waiting for discovery of a fossilized angel,wings and all, but i guess i'll just have to settle on watching all these new species of dinosaurs being dug up-danged near every week. scientists can't seem to dig them up fast enough -all the while adding to this remarkable fossil record which supports beyond all doubt evolution through natural selection.i like the scientific explanation for why these things happen, and how-not the hocus pocus method.
TxDC
· 8 months ago
You and others like you obviously are speaking of something about which you know nothing. Darwin used Fossils to try to prove evolution, but they don't prove Darwin's theory - THEY ACTUALLY DISPROVE IT! i.e., the one "MISSING." "The Missing Link" is WHY! I would suggest that you and all your anti-God cronies out there learn what Darwin himself learned before you expose your ignorance any further. It's people like you who are dangerous to our society who through their ignorance of facts believe anything you're told that fits your political view and then espouse it to others as though you know something. That's what's wrong with America today — the ignorant in our country have been brainwashed generation after generation by a powerful few who have almost completely taken over our country without ever firing a shot. It's not hard to get the uneducated and ignorant to believe anything they want you to believe by feeding false information to them over TV, the Internet and definitely in our schools year after year. If you get a country's children to believe lies by sugar coating them with promises of a government who provides for all their needs, they will turn to the government who promises everything until the time comes that no one is left who is open minded enough to think for themselves and search for truth. These people will always blame someone else for everything in their lives and will ultimately have no freedom left, only blame. Blame promises nothing but misery. There are many who actually believe "the government" can and should provide everything to anyone who doesn't have what they need. These people actually have no understanding that the government has no money by itself. It only has what we give it. Far to many generations have already gone through school without being taught about our Constitution and our government. We've already raised millions who have no clue how our government is supposed to work or how we've kept our freedoms for so many years. We, now, are so close to becoming a Socialist society and government that our freedoms are almost gone and with the current socialist activities and beliefs being spread across this nation by those who pretend to have our best interests at heart America as a free nation could soon be a thing of the past. WAKE UP AMERICA!
monitor
· 8 months ago
TxDC
Go write this mumbo-jumbo on your own blog.
More of it here will be deleted.
paulbe
· 8 months ago
Divide, distract and steal. That's what has been done to your country. The constant emergence of idiots debates like this keeps everyone focused away from the hand reaching into their wallets at every turn now.
hopper_i
· 8 months ago
New T-Shirt for Texas... Evolution is real. You should try it.
Brett Thomas
· 8 months ago
Further evidence (as if any was needed) that we should give the state that gave us W, Gonzo, the Hammer, and Turdblossom should be given back to Mexico.
Brenda Lewis
· 8 months ago
There are some of us in Texas who are not Texans, so to speak.
After having lived here for so many years, however, I can guarantee that nothing that this state does would surprise me. We have some of the meanest, most cruel, controlling individuals in the country.
Wesinoregon
· 8 months ago
I agree, I lived there for 32 years.
Mike_G
· 8 months ago
I lived there for a couple of years, and left partly for the reasons you mention. An insufferably ignorant-and-proud-of-it, snake-mean, bible-thumping political culture of corruption and cronyism. GW Bush was a perfect representative of TX politics, with Ross Perot close behind.
CarolAll
· 8 months ago
The standards of education are adversely affected when religious doctrine exerts enough political pressure to push science aside. Fundamentalist Christians are as threatening to society as fundamentalist Muslims or any other religious fundamentalists are. They are fervent in their battle against what they view as secularization or the increasing Godlessness of society. Of course, members of these groups deny the similarities between them. The fundamentalist conservative movement is strong. They still have political clout, and they're well funded. Whether it's down near Waco, TX or out in Colorado Springs, CO, or other areas, fundamentalists tend to congregate in places where they can live amongst themselves undisturbed. Not surprisingly, they oppose government interference, regulation, or control. This is why they tend to favor home schooling and school vouchers that would provide tax dollars for private schools. They feel entitled to control educational curriculum. As a former teacher, I pity the poor teachers who are forced to deny their own higher educations and teach religious doctrine.
vickif
· 8 months ago
How I miss Molly Ivans.
vickif
· 8 months ago
Sorry, my finger slipped - That should be Molly Ivins.
TxDC
· 8 months ago
It's so sad that we have a board of education more interested in politics than the best way to really "teach" our children. The great debate over Creationism and Evolution seems to take preference over hard "facts" which is what we should be teaching our students and where facts are not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, then the weaknesses of ALL "theories" MUST be taught in order that students will continue to seek "truth" and not just argue over which theory has the most or least possibility or probability of being correct or depending on which side of the political fence you stand on. Teaching either side of this argument without teaching the hard facts, i.e. the weaknesses and strengths of each theory is not teaching science at all. It is only forcing one political "view" on all children. But Science is not a "view" OR "what someone believes" . . . Science is supposed to be scientifically PROVEN facts. Since neither Creationism nor Darwinism can be "scientifically proven" perhaps neither of them should be taught as "Science."
Hearing and reading all the the biased arguing over all this tells me our Board of Education isn't educated enough themselves to be making such important decisions. When they reduce it all down to which political views are going to be pushed on our students in Science class, it is no longer a question of science education at all and does not belong belong in our science books at all. After all, Darwin himself had no problem recognizing that his theory was missing a major link in order to become a scientific fact; and the theory of a Creator and the facts from the Bible that have been proven, and there are hundreds . . . both are less than 100% "scientifically proven." So what is there really to disagree about? If our goal is to teach so that our students can know all we've learned through proven facts and be prepared to expand on what we have known in the past in order to continue to progress in knowledge in the future.
Randy
· 8 months ago
Whoa!!! Science is not FACTS. Science is a PROCESS. Hypothesis. Experiment. Analyze. Repeat. The THEORY of Evolution -- or more particularly those things that such a theory PREDICTS -- keep being shown to BE -- TRUE! I have yet to see any effort to "prove" Creationism. Indeed, the very suggestion that it is somehow subject to proff is blasphemy to the true believer. Gravity is a THEORY. Black holes are a THEORY. I assume the flat earth creationists accept them as "fact"....
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At least, that's what I was taught in southern baptist sunday school. Thank god my education comes from an (at that time) well-achieving, liberal, secular humanist public school system. ;)
Other ideas? Sure.
Are these other ideas based on sound scientific theory and method?
... no?
Then wtf would they be doing in a science class learning about UNSCIENTIFIC religious garbage?
King James Genesis states that the Heavens are held up by great columns. I can tell you as an Architect the slenderness ratio would never be large enough to prevent buckling of the weight of the 'heavens' with such columns. But that's just my wacky old physics getting in the way of a good story.
I have had it with creationists, and anti science morons. Seriously, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
I am highly spiritual. Nothing you say or do can deter me from my beliefs on a spiritual level. You my friend are the ungodly one because you sat in judgement about me without even knowing me.
I beleive the old testement in any form is an interesting story, and holds some good life lessons. Perhaps you should read it again and learn from it.
Not believing in creationism does not make you un Godly. Ignoring evidence like physics and science makes you blind to the truth.
This banter is pointless with the likes of you because you are unable or unwilling to think out side of the box.
Do you deny that we can measure the speed of light? We are seeing stars that are already dead. We can extrapolate how old our earth is based on our understanding of time and space. Let alone basic examples of the Grand Canyon and the fact that we can measure in our lifetime how old it is.
And PS: You could not afford my design services.
I was taught evolution by nuns for god sake. Challenging your beliefs does not mean the absense of God.
Get your head out of your ass and stop judging others and foisting your beliefs on others.
I know I am going to heaven. You have much to learn about life and love.
http://www.carm.org/questions/about-doctrine/wh...
http://www.tfn.org/site/PageServer
These nutjobs are on boards, casting votes and making decisions based on fear and ignorance. It is one thing to come out and vote in presidential politics, where the republicans win is on the local level.
There are some major freaky people on school and county boards. Very scary.
If we can measure how much of the grand canyon has been cut by the Colorado river, we can also extrapolate the milenia it took to create such a massive place.
They ignore simple evidence. And ignore carbon dating. How do these creationist function from day to day. They walk around in an ignorant haze.
It's staggering to me that we are even having this discussion in 2009.
Can we just saw off Texas, and let it float into the Gulf of Mexico, and all of the lunatic bomb throwing freaks of the religious right can create their own dysfunctional hell hole of a country.
Your 'Gravityist' religion deceives you from seeing what everyone knows, that it is the Force Of Jesus that holds us all to the surface of our flat earth as the sun revolves around it.
It's all detailed in the Discovery Institute's latest book, available free to all schools, "Hold Me Down, Jesus: Why Us Good Christians Haven't All Raptured Up to Heaven Yet".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White
Any state can try as equally as Texas can.
Go write this mumbo-jumbo on your own blog.
More of it here will be deleted.
After having lived here for so many years, however, I can guarantee that nothing that this state does would surprise me. We have some of the meanest, most cruel, controlling individuals in the country.
Hearing and reading all the the biased arguing over all this tells me our Board of Education isn't educated enough themselves to be making such important decisions. When they reduce it all down to which political views are going to be pushed on our students in Science class, it is no longer a question of science education at all and does not belong belong in our science books at all. After all, Darwin himself had no problem recognizing that his theory was missing a major link in order to become a scientific fact; and the theory of a Creator and the facts from the Bible that have been proven, and there are hundreds . . . both are less than 100% "scientifically proven." So what is there really to disagree about? If our goal is to teach so that our students can know all we've learned through proven facts and be prepared to expand on what we have known in the past in order to continue to progress in knowledge in the future.
Science is not FACTS. Science is a PROCESS. Hypothesis. Experiment. Analyze. Repeat.
The THEORY of Evolution -- or more particularly those things that such a theory PREDICTS -- keep being shown to BE -- TRUE!
I have yet to see any effort to "prove" Creationism. Indeed, the very suggestion that it is somehow subject to proff is blasphemy to the true believer.
Gravity is a THEORY. Black holes are a THEORY. I assume the flat earth creationists accept them as "fact"....