AMERICAblog: "That is what happened" revisited -- Clinton keeps tripping over what she said and keeps saying about the trip to Tuzla
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
The little girl with the braided hair was an assassin, I tell ya.
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
"This controversy has seriously damaged Clinton's credibility."
HAhAHA, you are kidding right? that has been destroyed years ago.
tbhull
· 1 year ago
Hillary should go to a therapist to treat these delusional pathological episodes of grandeur. Hillbilly secret agent middle aged Barbie.
sbhdawn
· 1 year ago
Candy Crowley just said it was not a game changer, not that important, she basically just brushed it off, what if this was Barack caught in this kind of lie?
johnosahon
· 1 year ago
then the press will be playing the tape every two seconds, but since it is hilary, the "unfair media towards hilary" will brush it off so they can talk about what obama's new pastor was rightfully complaining about the way they are treating his church.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
I mean...no bulletproof vest on anybody.....in the video....
How can you say, "sniper fire"..."running"..... but the real story is walking and shaking hands.
Was all that just spin for the Ohio vote?
Seems so.
Patriot
· 1 year ago
Thank you Keith Olberman and others like him. The truth and defense of the truth has become a rare commodity in the MSM
Patriot
· 1 year ago
When the pundits state that this is no big deal and not a game changer it should be followed with the game for Hillary is already lost
nsr
· 1 year ago
The unnecessary, self-inflicted, character revealing slip up. HRC's macaca moment.
dogeatdogi
· 1 year ago
We need to bring this primary to an end, and quick
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Funny HRC doesn't seem to be wearing any protective gear in Tuzla so long ago and the press has called her on it. John McStain, meanwhile burned by the kevlar, helmets, choppers and low cost carpets from the last trip, elected to sidestep the problem by wearing kevlar under his shirt, the minx!
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
plain and simple. she completely lied and fabricated a story to make herself look better.
if you did that on a job application, you would be fired immediately.
the same needs to happen to Hillary.
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
Carl Bernstein, in writing his biography of Hillary Clinton, interviewed over 200 friends of Hillary (some life-long), associates, even opponents. He found a different story oft times than what Hillary described in her autobiography, Living History. Bernstein has said that Clinton is someone who “camouflages” her real self for political gain. So it seems that Hillary has a penchant for embellishing her life story, making it grander than maybe it has really been.
One of the growing number of "Judases" is former Clinton fundraiser, Hollywood mogul Davic Geffen who has remarked that “the Clintons lie with such ease, it’s troubling”.
1billinnj2
· 1 year ago
hillary will do anything to win and that includes lying. so she was off by one sniper.
EdNSted
· 1 year ago
"We value Truth, not because we are principled, but because we are curious. We like to believe we will not tolerate manipulation of the facts. But strict knowledge of what has occurred often inflicts more damage than benefit. Mystery and mythology are safer avenues of pursuit precisely because they are open to manipulation. " - Jack McDevitt, Infinity Beach
Sage24
· 1 year ago
Mike Allen was right. It is all in her imagination. Hillary has been caught lying about her foreign experience three times now, and I am glad that this time, she was caught because of a video. Perhaps this makes her a serial liar. The people who want to vote for her, should take these tall tales, as poor judgment, and that she seems to insult the intelligence of the American people, when she chooses to be dishonest with them. I cannot get over the fact that she stood up on that podium, looked at the people in front of her, and lied so boldly. She is hoodwinking the American people, and I can only imagine, how the republicans will attack her over this if she is the nominee. Shame on you Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
It takes a spillage...
GrantinHouston
· 1 year ago
The sad thing is that today's polling shows John McSame leading BOTH Clinton and Obama now in the General Election. So while Obama and Clinton throw away possibly a HALF BILLION DOLLARS fighting each other, John McCain can use ALL of his money to fight the Democrats and has MONTHS and MONTHS to get his message out there.
It's easy to understand how Hillary could get confused, after all, the plane was making that ``pocketa pocketa pocketa'' noise, which sounds a lot like sniper fire.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
McSane won't have Lieberman around him all the time to correct his errors....let alone McSane having that bump on his back during the Presidential debate.
Pallomine
· 1 year ago
I believe that she "misspoke" when she advocated for McCain on the issue of experience and in the same breath as advocating for her own experience.
Geez... McCain can't remember enough to tell the truth and Hillary misspeaks the truth, and then they tell us that the only person who speaks the truth, Obama, doesn't cut it.
What are we supposed to do? Believe her and McCain, or our own eyes, ears and common sense?
EdNSted
· 1 year ago
Those who believe the telling of total fabrications disqualifies one as President are apparently unfamiliar with The Great Fabricator himself - Ronald Reagan. Do you remember this classic tale from 1983?:
"During a 1983 Congressional Medal of Honor ceremony Reagan told a story about military heroism that New York Daily News columnist Lars-Erik Nelson wrote never happened. Nelson had checked the citations on all 434 Congressional Medals of Honor awarded during WWII. The scene Reagan described did appear, however, in the 1944 film A Wing and a Prayer. Larry Speakes’ response? “If you tell the same story five times, it’s true.”"
"President Reagan, addressing the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, tells of the captain of a B-17 who went down with his plane voluntarily when he and the crew were unable to rescue the trapped and wounded ball-turret gunner. "The last man to leave" said the President, "saw the commander sit down on the floor. He took the boy's hand and said 'Never mind, son, we'll ride it down together.' Congressional Medal of Honor posthumously awarded." "
Imagine going into a court of law and giving this specific and detailed recounting of some event. Then imagine you are confronted with incontravertable evidence that what you have said is not true. Then Imagine your best repsonse to such refutation is to retort that you must have simply misspoken. Now Imagine how believable/credible such testimony would be deemed by anyone reviewing such proceedings.
Sarah B.
· 1 year ago
The essential question that Hillary needs to answer regarding her trip to Tuzla is the following:
If the situation on the ground was in fact as dangerous as Hillary has suggested more than once in recent days, then why did she elect to expose her daughter Chelsea to the danger of sniper fire in a volatile "war zone" while accompanying her mother during a scheduled meet-and-greet in Tuzla?
And David Shuster of MSNBC was suspended for two weeks for employing an unfortunate choice of words when referring to the Chelsea Clinton's role in her mother's presidential campaign. Please!
But, then, Hillary also reminds us that she helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland simply by having tea and scones with the wives of the Catholic and Protestant leaders -- now, that's real crisis intervention!
Alas, when Hillary had a genuine opportunity as the junior senator from New York to deliver an urgent speech and cast a principled vote that could have helped to avert the debacle in Iraq, she failed that test, as Greg Mitchell explains:
Sorry, Hillary, if you opt to pad the résumé, then you don’t deserve the job. :( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
The party leaders need to get the two candidates together and END THIS NOW, like Bill Richardson has been saying. My hat is off to Richardson for getting brutally honest and being a Democratic Party man by endorsing Obama. Like Joe said below, anything below is "mutually assured destruction" or MAD!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
correction, "Like Joe said in a below thread, anythiing less will be "mutually assured destruction" or "MAD"(ness)!
LunaStick
· 1 year ago
Hey Grant? If you're still around, I read the whole thread from the Taylor Marsh blog you linked to earlier and I got to say that I had no idea democrats could be so offensive. I know we see some pretty hateful stuff from hillbots who come here but it's hard to tell who the trolls are as opposed to the real hillary supporters. Not in the case of those horrible people. After reading it I am ashamed to have such an association with those hateful people. Now I know the real reason we democrats lose so many elections when we should based on issues win at least 90% of them. We deserve to lose because too many democrats put their own wishes and views for a candidate above the overall good of the party. The right wing sites couldn't be as hateful as what I read over there. We democrats may have to face the fact that we are now in an "uncivil war" with each other. IOW, we're fucked.
Demo_Dave
· 1 year ago
Amen....If Obama is a healer he better do it soon.
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
I'm not sure if Hillary needs an intervention or an exorcism. But either way she needs for the DNC to have a "come to jeebus" meeting with her and spell out how much damage she is doing to the party and our chance at winning the WH.
Obama '08!
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Hay everybody! WOW new script. Kind of cool.
grasshopper
· 1 year ago
Mike Malloy ripped into Hillary's lie today. It was a beauty to behold. "If Americans keep voting for bold face liars then don't be surprise if they lie us into war." (paraphrasing)
Sarah B.
· 1 year ago
grasshopper
I just heard Mike Malloy's rant, too -- he was on fire!
Dare I say that I absolutely love that guy? I feel really fortunate that my local Air America affiliate carries his show five nights a week from 9 to midnight -- and for some of us Malloy is therapeutic and delivers an anti-Bush catharsis that eases the pain just a little.
My favorite Mike Malloy line when referring to the Bush Crime Family:
"Have I mentioned yet tonight how much I hate these people?"
Mike Malloy is the best! :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Since when has Hillabeans had any credablitly?
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Even if the Dems win in Nov. We will stay in Iraq, likely attack Iran. Maybe go back into Kosovo. Even Big Love understands that we can not just walk away from Iraq. He is saying what you want to hear! In 2006 they said "Vote for us and we will get out of Iraq" Well???? The Dems have total control of the House of Reps and they have the purse strings. If they had the guts of there convictions they would have give Bush this word. "Get them out we are cutting off the money. You have only the money you need to pull the troops out. Start the pull out right now!" Did they do this? Not a chance! They used your party like a handy wipe! As soon as Big Love is elelcted he will say how it is too important to keep troops in Iraq and all of you Obamabots will follow in lockstep. Pass the Jackboots and get in line! Pathetic.
Chris From Maine
· 1 year ago
its pretty clear Hillary is gonna try to steal the nomination.
my question is what do we do when that happens? If she steals it, what do we do? If she tries and fails, what do we do?
We need a gameplan, cause its coming.
mimart
· 1 year ago
Hey what gives? How come this type of poll is not on CNN.com?
Do you believe Hillary Clinton has a credibility problem?
_X_ YES
___ NO
dula
· 1 year ago
Give the woman credit for her ability to parse words as well as the Bush Administration. Ari Fleischer must be green with envy.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Lying must be a family trait with them.
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
It's almost sad to see Hillary snapping at the air like a rabid dog while she holds onto the last vestige of her campaign. It's downright painful to watch.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
The Politico guy was funny:
"All this experience she talks about is at least partly her imagination."
LOL.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
Hangtown Denile, go watch the Obama speech on Iraq/foreign relations in Fayetteville.
He gave this speech the day after his race/religion speech. It outlines his plan for the war. Some new ideas, etc. really brilliant
I was annoyed this speech was overlooked by the msm. It was a much better speech than the one on race. No wonder Bill Richardson came out with his endorsement of Obama after those two speeches. Incredible.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Hillabeans has lots of experence. discrediting woman that Bill has shot his wad on!
grasshopper
· 1 year ago
Sarah B.,
Gawd, I love that guy so much. The other night he totally destroyed Pat Buchanan's article on Reverend Wright. He went on this rant mocking Buchanan - calling him "masta" and repudiated each of his racist bullet points.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
People really don't forget when they land in a war zone and there is sniper fire and you have to duck and run to a protected area especially when they have their child with them. There is no smiling and accepting flowers when there are snipers around. Again if this story was had any truth to it, form the way Hillary tells it them she put two children in danger, Chelsea and the flower girl.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
If Big Love pulls us out of Iraq. I will be pulled from retierment to fight the enemy here at home. Ah well, we had our chance to fight them over there. I figure it will be maybe two years before we have to fight them over here...
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Hangtown Danile, the enemy is already here, and his name is George W. Bush.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
I have seen the face of the enemy. I fear soon you will as well. I pray for your family.
shanobama
· 1 year ago
If you understand how terrorism breeds and thrives then you would be for a redirected strategy. Iraq will solve its own problems if pressure is brought to bear in cooperation with the region in treaties, etc. Diplomacy has never been tried, and Iraq was run by a bunch of Falwell college grads at one point.
I think the Iraqis themselves would do a better job. Stop brining in overpayed Americans to drive trucks. And there should be a requirement for Iraqi employment. they must stop bringing foreign slave labour into Iraq to work. Those workers have electrocuted a few soldiers w/ lack of modern building skills.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Uh oh:
BAGHDAD — A cease-fire critical to the improved security situation in Iraq appeared to unravel Monday when a militia loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al Sadr began shutting down neighborhoods in west Baghdad and issuing demands of the central government.
Simultaneously, in the strategic southern port city of Basra, where Sadr's Mahdi militia is in control, the Iraqi government launched a crackdown in the face of warnings by Sadr's followers that they'll fight government forces if any Sadrists are detained. By 1 a.m. Arab satellite news channels reported clashes between the Mahdi Army and police in Basra.
A question: How many posters on this sight suported NATO's( ie. The USA and a few planes belonging to the French.) Were carpet bombing Kosivo and killing 100,000 pepole? And if you did suport it Why?
grasshopper
· 1 year ago
Hillary's newest version of her misspeak from a diary at DKOS:
"I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I made a -- I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it.".
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
How many posters on this sight suported NATO's( ie. The USA and a few planes belonging to the French.)
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I didn't.
Any more questions?
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
How do you refresh?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hillary's newest version of her misspeak from a diary at DKOS:
"I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I made a -- I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it.".
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Good recovery, Hillary.
Now you make it sound like you were so scared you left a little girl in the line of fire.
Better off just saying "I lied."
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Bush_Bites: Were did you protest? The only one I saw was in Salt Lake City. It was the large croastion population who lives there.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Or were there protests and the news just didn't show em?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
I didn't protest.
I didn't protest this war either.
I can't be against a war without protesting?
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Listen, in the 2000 debates, your boy Bush said we can't go around the world telling everybody else how to run their countries. We have to be a more "humble" nation, he said.
That made a lot of sense to me then and it still does.
And he'd be a lot better off if he had taken his own advice.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Not saying that. Most of the libs I speek to were for the war in Kosavo and agenst the war in Iraq. I think it had more to do (in THERE case) with a simple case of "Say no to war unless a Demacrat is President." When I point it out to them and the fact that they have been agenst any war a Republican has started or been in, and for any war started by a Demacrat, Except Vet Nam. But that was "Nixons war" anyway.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Well, I'm not a big Clinton fan, so you won't get much defense of him from me.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Signing off.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Bush in NOT my boy. Not even by a long shot. I served at his discresion as I served Clinton before him (for a fairly short tiime in 1990 after rejoining the resurves in 1998) And Bush 41 before him. I will likely end up pulled out of my retierment to serve whomever is our next president as well. I support some of what Bush has done. I like the tax cuts. They have helped my wifes family and by proxi my family since they were enected. I LIKE the idea of makeing them perminent and expanding them! I don't like: 1) Going into Iraq without the troops needed to secure and disarm that nation so we could have been out of there a long time ago. 2) OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING! 3) OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING! 4) Not Vetoing OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING! There are many other issues I dissagree with him on, but I am a Federalist so NO candidate other than Ron Paul really speaks to me.
Sarah B.
· 1 year ago
Hangtown Danile
For what it's worth, I never supported the USA/NATO carpet bombing of Kosivo -- I thought it was barbaric at the time and still believe that -- and I deeply regret the loss of life that resulted from that mission.
I was reading the British papers online during that time frame -- specifically, the Guardian and the Independent -- and I found extensive coverage of the situation in the Balkans, plus their journalists and Op-ed page editors were extremely critical of the bombing raids on Kosivo.
Then I would go look at the front pages of the NYT and WaPo and Boston Globe and there was very little front-page coverage of Kosivo at all -- the American media was pathetic – and the death toll in Kosivo was never covered in any significant detail. Most Americans have no idea how many people died as the result of those bombing raids.
I recall my favorite aunt calling me from London and asking, "Is there anything we can do to get Bill Clinton to stop this horrific and senseless carpet-bombing attack on Kosivo?" Tony Blair was newly elected in Britain and he supported Clinton in the bombing missions, just the way that he became Bush's poodle on Iraq.
Actually, I'm one of the few people in the world who thought that Bush's big invasion of Afghanistan -- with a full-frontal military intervention and huge bunker-buster bombs dropped on the mountains from B-52s -- was a really stupid idea and that the military was not likely to catch Osama bin Laden. And it turns out that I was right about that, too. But no one listens to me. :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
incontext
· 1 year ago
you know the old lyrics: "Lying's just another word for, nothing left to lose...."
An_American_Karol
· 1 year ago
Janice Joplin, incontext. I got to see her before she died.
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
It appears this story is starting to take legs and her lackluster explanation does not cut it with some of the pundit class. So do they wait for Saturday Night Live to parody it and then pile on? Perhaps Candy Crowley could be ultimately be correct but this episode confirms our fears that the Clintons (at best) parse their words and (at worst) will lie just as the wind blows. It is not good when a story is drip drip drip.
At this point, Dean better start figuring things out because right now we have two pretty bruised up candidates. Thank you for listening.
Thanks for the link to that electoral map and related issues website -- I haven't seen it since the 2004 election, after which I deleted it from my bookmarks because it no longer seemed relevant at the time. It's a great resource.
Those electoral map numbers are indeed interesting, if only a snapshot in time since it's still a long time until November:
And Michigan is a tie between Clinton and Obama in a race against McCain:
Clinton 44 -- McCain 45 Obama 44 -- McCain 45
I wonder if that electoral-map calculus is going to be offered by Hillary Clinton to the Superdelegates as evidence that she is the most "electable" in a race against McCain -- where have we heard that before? -- and that they should throw their votes and endorsements to her?
I hope not, but we shall see.... :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Karol: Was that the line? I thought is was Freedom is another word for nothing left to loose. I am no longer free in this respect I now have LOTS to loose. And I will do anything needed to keep what I have now.
Hangtown Danile
· 1 year ago
Anybody notice the paralel of John F. Kerry's trip to Cambodea?
hector
· 1 year ago
March 24 (Bloomberg) -- Wall Street banks hit by mortgage losses and writedowns have cut more than 34,000 jobs in the past nine months, the most since the dot-com boom fizzled in 2001. Citigroup Inc., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Morgan Stanley are among the firms that have disclosed headcount reductions so far. After the Internet bubble burst, 39,800 jobs were eliminated during the same period; the number climbed to 90,000 in the next two years, according to the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association.
The collapse of the subprime mortgage market last year and the ensuing credit contraction have saddled the world's largest financial institutions with at least $200 billion of writedowns and losses. Bear Stearns Cos., once the fifth-biggest U.S. securities firm, became the emblem of panic on Wall Street two weeks ago, when it was forced to submit to an emergency takeover backed by the Federal Reserve as clients and lenders deserted the company. More bank losses are likely, according to analysts.
``This crisis is much worse than 2001 and we don't know how long it's going to last,'' said Jo Bennett, a partner at executive search firm Battalia Winston International in New York. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109...
Check out this article on PNAC and McCain....the vipers over at the American Enterprise Institute are pulling McCain's strings, they have been in control of the government for many years now.
How many here on this site think the "Surge" which is actually the act of paying the Iraqi "insurgents" to not attack our troops is the mark of success??? Yeah, they are giving them millions of dollars not to harm the little darlings.
How can MCStain keep a straight face, Oh that's right, he knows that the media will back up his/Cheney's/Bush's/Petreus's/Congress's bullshit lies, they keep forgetting to tell the public that we are paying the "Insurgents"...........how brave our troops are, it takes a lot of courage to have the government paying off the "enemy" not to attack you......too funny.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Just saw the CBS report on "Up to the Minute" and they added, "We should know, CBS has a news crew on that flight."
Cold. Clinton should just admit she has really over-polished her resume. Liar, liar, pants on fire...
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
has - should be "had" a news crew on that flight."
BatGuano
· 1 year ago
Republicans did their best to make Gore and Kerry into exaggerators and liars. Imagine what they'd do if they had actual solid evidence that would fit perfectly into a campaign spot.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary's Romneyism knows no bounds. Loaning her campaign money and a new daily flip flop
Indigo
· 1 year ago
She has lovely hair.
MimsyBorogove
· 1 year ago
Down the Rabbit Hole. Who of any of the players at this tea party are any good? The Red Queen, The Black King, The Mad (100 years more war) Hatter?
None! Just ask Alice! When you don't like the answer, hit up the Caterpillar. There's a great mushroom that when you nibble both sides, makes you "just right."
MimsyBorogove
· 1 year ago
Great Googely Moogely! The blessed Frank Zappa sings, complete with Japanese subtitles for all the corporatistas!
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HAhAHA, you are kidding right? that has been destroyed years ago.
How can you say, "sniper fire"..."running"..... but the real story is walking and shaking hands.
Was all that just spin for the Ohio vote?
Seems so.
John McStain, meanwhile burned by the kevlar, helmets, choppers and low cost carpets from the last trip, elected to sidestep the problem by wearing kevlar under his shirt, the minx!
if you did that on a job application, you would be fired immediately.
the same needs to happen to Hillary.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18981558/
One of the growing number of "Judases" is former Clinton fundraiser, Hollywood mogul Davic Geffen who has remarked that “the Clintons lie with such ease, it’s troubling”.
- Jack McDevitt, Infinity Beach
Shame on you Hillary Rodham Clinton.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/la...
Geez... McCain can't remember enough to tell the truth and Hillary misspeaks the truth, and then they tell us that the only person who speaks the truth, Obama, doesn't cut it.
What are we supposed to do? Believe her and McCain, or our own eyes, ears and common sense?
"During a 1983 Congressional Medal of Honor ceremony Reagan told a story about military heroism that New York Daily News columnist Lars-Erik Nelson wrote never happened. Nelson had checked the citations on all 434 Congressional Medals of Honor awarded during WWII. The scene Reagan described did appear, however, in the 1944 film A Wing and a Prayer. Larry Speakes’ response? “If you tell the same story five times, it’s true.”"
( Source )
"President Reagan, addressing the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, tells of the captain of a B-17 who went down with his plane voluntarily when he and the crew were unable to rescue the trapped and wounded ball-turret gunner. "The last man to leave" said the President, "saw the commander sit down on the floor. He took the boy's hand and said 'Never mind, son, we'll ride it down together.' Congressional Medal of Honor posthumously awarded." "
( Source )
Then imagine you are confronted with incontravertable evidence that what you have said is not true.
Then Imagine your best repsonse to such refutation is to retort that you must have simply misspoken.
Now Imagine how believable/credible such testimony would be deemed by anyone reviewing such proceedings.
If the situation on the ground was in fact as dangerous as Hillary has suggested more than once in recent days, then why did she elect to expose her daughter Chelsea to the danger of sniper fire in a volatile "war zone" while accompanying her mother during a scheduled meet-and-greet in Tuzla?
And David Shuster of MSNBC was suspended for two weeks for employing an unfortunate choice of words when referring to the Chelsea Clinton's role in her mother's presidential campaign. Please!
But, then, Hillary also reminds us that she helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland simply by having tea and scones with the wives of the Catholic and Protestant leaders -- now, that's real crisis intervention!
Alas, when Hillary had a genuine opportunity as the junior senator from New York to deliver an urgent speech and cast a principled vote that could have helped to avert the debacle in Iraq, she failed that test, as Greg Mitchell explains:
5 Years Ago, as War Neared, Hillary Clinton Was Silent, 'NYT' Archives Show
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/...
Sorry, Hillary, if you opt to pad the résumé, then you don’t deserve the job.
:(
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Obama '08!
I just heard Mike Malloy's rant, too -- he was on fire!
Dare I say that I absolutely love that guy? I feel really fortunate that my local Air America affiliate carries his show five nights a week from 9 to midnight -- and for some of us Malloy is therapeutic and delivers an anti-Bush catharsis that eases the pain just a little.
My favorite Mike Malloy line when referring to the Bush Crime Family:
"Have I mentioned yet tonight how much I hate these people?"
Mike Malloy is the best!
:)
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As soon as Big Love is elelcted he will say how it is too important to keep troops in Iraq and all of you Obamabots will follow in lockstep. Pass the Jackboots and get in line!
Pathetic.
my question is what do we do when that happens? If she steals it, what do we do? If she tries and fails, what do we do?
We need a gameplan, cause its coming.
Do you believe Hillary Clinton has a credibility problem?
_X_ YES
___ NO
"All this experience she talks about is at least partly her imagination."
LOL.
He gave this speech the day after his race/religion speech. It outlines his plan for the war. Some new ideas, etc. really brilliant
I was annoyed this speech was overlooked by the msm. It was a much better speech than the one on race. No wonder Bill Richardson came out with his endorsement of Obama after those two speeches. Incredible.
Gawd, I love that guy so much. The other night he totally destroyed Pat Buchanan's article on Reverend Wright. He went on this rant mocking Buchanan - calling him "masta" and repudiated each of his racist bullet points.
I think the Iraqis themselves would do a better job. Stop brining in overpayed Americans to drive trucks. And there should be a requirement for Iraqi employment. they must stop bringing foreign slave labour into Iraq to work. Those workers have electrocuted a few soldiers w/ lack of modern building skills.
BAGHDAD — A cease-fire critical to the improved security situation in Iraq appeared to unravel Monday when a militia loyal to radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al Sadr began shutting down neighborhoods in west Baghdad and issuing demands of the central government.
Simultaneously, in the strategic southern port city of Basra, where Sadr's Mahdi militia is in control, the Iraqi government launched a crackdown in the face of warnings by Sadr's followers that they'll fight government forces if any Sadrists are detained. By 1 a.m. Arab satellite news channels reported clashes between the Mahdi Army and police in Basra.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/31527...
How many posters on this sight suported NATO's( ie. The USA and a few planes belonging to the French.) Were carpet bombing Kosivo and killing 100,000 pepole? And if you did suport it Why?
"I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I made a -- I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it.".
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I didn't.
Any more questions?
"I was also told that the greeting ceremony had been moved away from the tarmac but that there was this 8-year-old girl and, I can't, I can't rush by her, I've got to at least greet her -- so I made a -- I took her stuff and then I left, Now that's my memory of it.".
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Good recovery, Hillary.
Now you make it sound like you were so scared you left a little girl in the line of fire.
Better off just saying "I lied."
Were did you protest?
The only one I saw was in Salt Lake City. It was the large croastion population who lives there.
I didn't protest this war either.
I can't be against a war without protesting?
That made a lot of sense to me then and it still does.
And he'd be a lot better off if he had taken his own advice.
I think it had more to do (in THERE case) with a simple case of "Say no to war unless a Demacrat is President." When I point it out to them and the fact that they have been agenst any war a Republican has started or been in, and for any war started by a Demacrat, Except Vet Nam. But that was "Nixons war" anyway.
I don't like:
1) Going into Iraq without the troops needed to secure and disarm that nation so we could have been out of there a long time ago.
2) OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING!
3) OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING!
4) Not Vetoing OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING!
There are many other issues I dissagree with him on, but I am a Federalist so NO candidate other than Ron Paul really speaks to me.
For what it's worth, I never supported the USA/NATO carpet bombing of Kosivo -- I thought it was barbaric at the time and still believe that -- and I deeply regret the loss of life that resulted from that mission.
I was reading the British papers online during that time frame -- specifically, the Guardian and the Independent -- and I found extensive coverage of the situation in the Balkans, plus their journalists and Op-ed page editors were extremely critical of the bombing raids on Kosivo.
Then I would go look at the front pages of the NYT and WaPo and Boston Globe and there was very little front-page coverage of Kosivo at all -- the American media was pathetic – and the death toll in Kosivo was never covered in any significant detail. Most Americans have no idea how many people died as the result of those bombing raids.
I recall my favorite aunt calling me from London and asking, "Is there anything we can do to get Bill Clinton to stop this horrific and senseless carpet-bombing attack on Kosivo?" Tony Blair was newly elected in Britain and he supported Clinton in the bombing missions, just the way that he became Bush's poodle on Iraq.
Actually, I'm one of the few people in the world who thought that Bush's big invasion of Afghanistan -- with a full-frontal military intervention and huge bunker-buster bombs dropped on the mountains from B-52s -- was a really stupid idea and that the military was not likely to catch Osama bin Laden. And it turns out that I was right about that, too. But no one listens to me.
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At this point, Dean better start figuring things out because right now we have two pretty bruised up candidates. Thank you for listening.
check out Michigan
Thanks, BO and Howie.
Thanks for the link to that electoral map and related issues website -- I haven't seen it since the 2004 election, after which I deleted it from my bookmarks because it no longer seemed relevant at the time. It's a great resource.
Those electoral map numbers are indeed interesting, if only a snapshot in time since it's still a long time until November:
Electoral Votes: Clinton 268 McCain 246
Electoral Votes: Obama 231 McCain 292
And Michigan is a tie between Clinton and Obama in a race against McCain:
Clinton 44 -- McCain 45
Obama 44 -- McCain 45
I wonder if that electoral-map calculus is going to be offered by Hillary Clinton to the Superdelegates as evidence that she is the most "electable" in a race against McCain -- where have we heard that before? -- and that they should throw their votes and endorsements to her?
I hope not, but we shall see....
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Was that the line?
I thought is was Freedom is another word for nothing left to loose.
I am no longer free in this respect I now have LOTS to loose. And I will do anything needed to keep what I have now.
The collapse of the subprime mortgage market last year and the ensuing credit contraction have saddled the world's largest financial institutions with at least $200 billion of writedowns and losses. Bear Stearns Cos., once the fifth-biggest U.S. securities firm, became the emblem of panic on Wall Street two weeks ago, when it was forced to submit to an emergency takeover backed by the Federal Reserve as clients and lenders deserted the company. More bank losses are likely, according to analysts.
``This crisis is much worse than 2001 and we don't know how long it's going to last,'' said Jo Bennett, a partner at executive search firm Battalia Winston International in New York.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109...
http://www.minnpost.com/ericblack/2008/03/24/12...
Check out this article on PNAC and McCain....the vipers over at the American Enterprise Institute are pulling McCain's strings, they have been in control of the government for many years now.
Let's try that one more time......McCain and PNAC
How can MCStain keep a straight face, Oh that's right, he knows that the media will back up his/Cheney's/Bush's/Petreus's/Congress's bullshit lies, they keep forgetting to tell the public that we are paying the "Insurgents"...........how brave our troops are, it takes a lot of courage to have the government paying off the "enemy" not to attack you......too funny.
Cold. Clinton should just admit she has really over-polished her resume. Liar, liar, pants on fire...
None! Just ask Alice! When you don't like the answer, hit up the Caterpillar. There's a great mushroom that when you nibble both sides, makes you "just right."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8y0JLPQl94
The horse race and shiny objects all explained! 24 hours in the dildo chair (See Zappa's "Joe's Garage") for those who object to "plooking too hard."