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now it appears the Mormons may want to be part of the far right "in crowd" too.. what better way than to show how organized you can be for the goals of the religious right... and what better way to get the Evangelicals and the Catholics more open to voting for a Mormon candidate... Mitt Romney...
lets face it.. many people will vote for the most attractive candidate and Mitt Romney is a hunk of a 60+ year old man... he's got half the battle won if he can hold onto his good looks.. all his church elders have to do is get the leaders of the Evangelical right to take a chance on a Mormon, and America might just get Mitt as a viable presidential contendor. in 2012..
Not gonna happen.
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These people are unbelievable.
Suppose for a moment that these religious fanatics were actually in charge. Think of all that would be a crime. Oral sex between a husband and wife would be a crime. Think about what they would do to us. Now that you have thought about it, tolerate them NO more and fight back . . . as hard as you can.
On another note, about 20 minutes ago from my house I could hear a shitload of whistles (the kind you blow in), and somebody on a megaphone shouting 'get out of our neighborhood. Leave us alone' etc. The fundies must've come back. It has since ended so I assume they are gone now. I almost threw on my jacket and walked down to check it out but it stopped. Friday night it took about two dozen police to escort the fundies to their cars and out of the neighborhood. Kind of strange for the fundies to show up at 4:00 PM on a Monday afternoon. The people here have actually been very restrained, but if the fundies keep showing up yelling at people and calling everybody walking by pervert, etc. somebody is going to snap and the fundies will get the holy shit kicked out of them. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. It would make all of us look bad.
But isn't Sully also a Catholic? What does he say about the role of the Catholic church in condemning homosexuality?
hint - they no likey being exposed as hypocrites.
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I hope that doesn't happen. We need to keep he heat on ..particularly if the Mormons are beginning to feel the pinch of reduced business.
Not with a fascist leaning Press that receives its marching orders from whore corporations. Someday, but not today, and not tomorrow.
Fight on - you are in the early days (as women were in 1900 fighting for the right to vote) - your day will come. Biochemistry, which is moving down the track like a train out of hell, will bury 50% of all religions - unless they adapt, which many will not. It took the Catholic church 2,000 years to admit the Earth was round.
The truth will arrive - but the benefits to fascist corporations and criminal politicians outstrip anything akin to human dignity. When the whores of society are defeated, the truth will emerge - and future generations will look back at us as the Neanderthals that we were.
The Morons, I mean mormons, want to deny anyone the right and freedoms to their values. Well, all I can say for the Morons, dang, I mean mormons, there are more Americans against their beliefs than for them. They have a sicko belief and closed culture society.
Do whatever it takes to get your rights back. I try to let others live their lives as they see fit. I fought long and hard for this country and every day I see all of our rights being taken away by f*cking idiots like bu$h. I think Romney will try to buy the conservanazi nomination next time. Let's all make sure to tell the world just how sick this bunch of Morons, dang, I mean mormons are.
If a mormon irritates you, ask them about Joseph Smith and the White Salamander. That will tell them right up front that they believe in a huckster and con man. ;)
buck fush!
btw, some friends of mine moved (transferred) to salt lake city. they were greeted w/ open arms by their new neighbors, until the new neighbors found out my friends weren't lds. after that, in the words of the wifely half of the couple, "it was like we ceased to exist. they didn't even say 'hello' to us on the street."
It really and truly is scary that people can be conned so easily--people who are supposedly educated especially so.
Of course, I think that about all religion, but I suppose people can be led into thinking anything since most are encouraged to be intellectually lazy, uncurious and simply ignorant about the world around them, staking their future on the unobservable and fantastical.
Only less organized.
At first these guys pretended to not know anything about it. But I kept pressing them, getting more pissed 'cuz I hate liars, and finally one of them erupted with "Well what he was doing was an abomination before God!!!" and so on ... I started yelling at them to get off my street and to never come back on the street again ... they hightailed up the street. Some of my neighbors came out to see what the commotion was.
Can't remember if we ever saw a Mormon on Talbot Ave. again.
But what miserable fuckheads.
These people are grifters. Con men.
Mormons and the fascist rightwing...unholy marriage redefined.
The Evangelicals think marrage should be between a man and a woman, however with the consept of original sin then marrage includes adultry, ei hiring hookers, believing that the good wife will forgive.
The Mormons think the sancity of marrage is between a man and two or more women..luck with that one.
The Catholics see marrage as between a man and a woman with three basic rules, 1- you cant enjoy sex, 2 you cant use contraseption(it will piss off God), 3 pay no attension to the guy in the white collar that is inforcing the rules of the bedroom when he is molesting young boys.
I am not a gay man but I'll be damn if I will allow these pervertors of marrage and love to tell anyone how and who to love.
I could be wrong but a good approach is to point out such hipocracy.
Do the people not remember Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Ted Haggert?
Their concept of marrage and family values are the work of the devil for sure.I think the people need to me reminded who is who.
Love is too rare to decieve..These hipocrats are expecting the gay community to do just that.
BTW..When the LDS comes to my door I ask them if my husband will be welcome to their church as well....lol..they huff and go away.
And yet we've failed at this as well. We play defense and victim well because we ARE always on the defensive and have a history of being victimized, and these people know how to push our buttons - they've done it all our lives. But if we could just start wisening up and take our knowledge of the atrocities committed by these powerhungry, authoritarian "religious" institutions, we can turn part of the national debate around from our birthright as citizens under attack to their history of tearing apart families.
Why can't we suggest that allowing THEM to marry can cause irreparable damage to children? We sure as hell have tons more examples of their abuses than they can project in their imagination about ours.
There are a lot of half truths and some blatant lies I've read about the LDS church here- many I can excuse as pure misunderstanding. I do find plenty of irony in it all; the misunderstanding of two groups sowing the seeds of hate through further misunderstanding and name-calling.
I think it's a correct assumption that many Utah Mormons have little understanding of the GLBT struggle to be accepted and their desire to pursue happiness as they see fit. Many parts (not all) of Utah are extremely sheltered from any variance of the Mormon "culture." Now, that being said, I certainly have never seen or heard any hint of actual gay hate being preached or talked about among the Mormons. I'm sure it exists, but I've never experienced it. There is plenty of misunderstanding and confusion regarding the subject. What I see mostly, with friends who have come out, is this strange denial. Friends and family will pretend like it never happened, while, I'm sure, they are crushed behind closed doors. But, thankfully, all those families have reconciled and learned to live with love despite their differing beliefs.
My personal feeling on the subject is that the propaganda on both sides of Prop 8 was pretty far-fetched. Whether it was a little girl coming home with a same sex children's book- to the horror of her mother, or two lds missionaries tearing up marriage certificates. Both sides smacked of such heavy handed manipulation it was shameful. All the alarms go off when watching and reading this kind of stuff- it's kind of like hearing 5 minutes of Sean Hannity and hoping and praying people don't just listen to this and believe it. I'm not sure why the LDS church chose to engage in the battle. On the surface it would appear that it was to protect their firm stance issued in The Family: A Proclamation to the World http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1... (sorry, couldn't see how to post a link), and I can actually believe that's all it was. But my personal opinion is that it would have been better to sit this one out. Not because of the backlash (there hasn't been a palpable backlash beyond words and protests), but because the issue is much more complex than assigning all gay couples to Sodom and Gomorrah status. I've been in the homes of gay couples with kids and felt an incredible amount of love and concern there- indeed to the point of wishing my own family could have been more like that. Incredible communication and kindness.
One thing is certain, gays and lesbians will eventually enjoy same sex marriage rights. That's just the way it's going to be. Please give us Mormons time- things have changed leaps and bounds even in the last 15 years. The stance on homosexual relations will never change, but perhaps the capacity for understanding and unconditional love will.
While what you say in regards to conditional love may be true in some instances, though I'm quite confident Mormons don't have the monopoly on that element of human nature. Some of us truly are trying to follow Christ and love others despite religious or cultural beliefs. I'm sorry if you experienced otherwise.
There are plenty of ways, direct and indirect, all legal, for these groups to be targeted, like by prominent bloggers like John taking 2x4s to them and also jabbing them with all their foibles more subtly.
I am finally cured. I am gay and won't ever deny that again. Finally!
My second marriage I had 3 children and 2 stepsons that I'm still very close to. I'm totally out in my neighborhood. All are accepting, not simply tolerant. These people around me are special. All this in Utah.
My concern is the boycott of Sundance and Utah's ski resorts and even much of Salt Lake City proper. These are the liberal outposts of Utah. The only people hurt by unselective boycotts such as this being proposed are people and groups on our side. Know this, The Mormon Church will be elated that a boycott will affect these targeted businesses and events adversely.
What should be done is we should pour into Utah for these events that accept us with love and are in support of our freedom and rights. Boycott ,NO, our allies should come here in droves and flood the state.
"[T]he Mormons are particularly vicious homophobes."
"Have I mentioned how much I hate these people?"
"Mormons and the fascist rightwing...unholy marriage redefined."
"what miserable fuckheads."
"Their willingness to lie with impunity is what astounds me…professional liars. It's all about greed, power, and dominion over others."
"The difference between the Mormons and the others is a little thing called "Lying for the Lord". It is actually a tenet of their faith that it is okay to tell baldfaced lies if it furthers the church's goals."
"most are encouraged to be intellectually lazy, uncurious and simply ignorant about the world around them"
"I've known a few Mormons in my life and I've found them to be very strange people who are easily led and easily manipulated."
"They are truly sickos."
"Mormons have never done anything to make the world a better place."
"They are all about themselves and their insane practices and rituals. Cults and religions are made up of the deluded."
"Here's a racist bunch, that is also homophobic and very prejudiced against those who question them."
"Well, all I can say for the Morons, dang, I mean mormons, there are more Americans against their beliefs than for them. They have a sicko belief and closed culture society."
"Mormon crazies…"
"fundies with magic undies…"
"Not just vicious but cruel."
"It is no longer appropriate to be kind to, or tolerant of, these people."
"These people are dangerous. As religious nuts they are delusional and I dare say bordering on mental illness."
"there's every reason to be scared to death of these people."
Suggestion: Try having a rational discussion without the name calling and demonization. The Mormons look a lot more rational than their detractors right now.