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now replace "democrats" with "women" or "gays," and you'll get some insight into his character. this is precisely the kind of parochial condescension that raises the hackles of my skepticism.
DING DING DING we have a winner
It's time to play fucking hardball.
"There's something the President is not telling us." Somebody needs to wake Aravosis up!
1 term Presidency!
Does it matter which wing of the Republicrat Party does their Corporate Masters' bidding?
Pre$ident Change is just another typical politician. Buying elections via corporate capitulations is more important than instituting good policy for the people. When the rest of the public catches on to this massive sellout on their backs it's going to be a electoral bloodbath for the Democratic party regardless of how many corporate dollars are sunk into propping it up. That is unless the economic trickle down spigot starts actually doing any meaningful trickling. Then they might have a prayer of hanging on by the skin of their teeth.
How inconvenient for President Dry Powder that plans with the PO are less expensive than his precious bipartisan Baucauscare industry gift. Unless we're talking about the cost to the Democratic establishment in lost corporate donations if the PO goes through. Obviously that seems to weigh more on the administration's mind than anything.
" We've got the polls on our side, we've finally got momentum on our side after the Teabagger mess in August, and the president himself supported the public option during the campaign, and claims to still support it as the best solution to our health care mess"
Didn't you think allowing the Senate to go on August break without voting on a bill was a fatal mistake? I'm glad to keep up the pressure on the WH and the Congress, but you gotta admit, for a strategy you have found wanting at almost every turn, things seem to be going pretty well. He said he was going to do this, and he's doing it. Slow and steady -- the Obama way!
Tell us exactly what's going well, and then tell us exactly how we go to this "good" position based on specific White House strategies. Because from what I'm seeing, the only reason we're even in a position to maybe kinda sorta not so clear get a public option is because the rest of us aren't putting up with the White House backing off of its promises.
I do however appreciate how every time the president, or candidate, screws up, and the Netroots and others beat him into finally fighting back, we're then told how his fighting back was part of the plan all along. Yes, conveniently timed with the moment that his supporters rise up in arms with pitchforks.
This is a political game, I trust President Obama, but I know that there are very powerful economic forces resisting change. I hope we reach the tipping point soon, when middle class Americans decide it's time to hit the streets, phones, emails, etc. Maybe not enough of us are in enough pain yet.
well, it certainly is laughable. i'm waiting for the apologists to insist that this is obama's dogwhistle for secretly rallying behind the public option.
"Democrats, ya’ll thinkin’ for yourselves. I like that in you, but it’s time for us to make sure that we finish the job here, we are this close and we’ve got to be unified."
LOL, it reads like the delivered this with his folksy campaign twang. all the smarminess in the world isn't going to transform this into one of the "teachable moments" he so covets. he wants us to be unified behind what exactly? behind whatever he says? LOL, and what is that?
even when he's being critical/encouraging, he doesn't have to guts not to use abstractions! the guy is both chickenshit and corrupt to the core.
He's a gutless fuck!
Damn right......why would anyone accept a half a loaf when they didn't have to?
We are thisclose to getting a public option and he is walking away from it...certainy not pushing for it.....hell if he were still in the Senate he'd be classified as being art of what group? The Centrists? Like Conrad? Like Landreui?
Beyond frustrating
Next in line if no public option: President Obama.
Hope Obama enjoys his first and only term.
You could just as easily interpret this statement to mean that he is talking to the blue dogs and the MINORITY of senators that don't support a public option and telling them that when the bill comes out with a public option they better get on board and do what they're told to support it like republicans would.
I don't believe that politicians are dumb enough to believe that passing a bill like the current senate bill which doesn't cover everyone and adds new requirments to the insurance companies without any cost controls would help them in the next election cycle. As it is, the insurance premiums would go up, not down.
Without covering eveyone, you lose the opportunity to save the $1,000 they keep telling us is added to each family plan to cover the uninsured.
Without the competition, the insurance companies will just increase premiums or lower benefits to cover the added costs of eliminating pre-exisiting conditions and annual and lifetime caps.
The senate is defining a "cadillac" plan as a plan over $8,000. But, it has been reported that the average family insurance plan costs over $12,000. So, how can the senate decide a "cadillac" plan is $8,000 and tax the insurance companies on that which they will just pass along to the customers? Are Baucus, Lincoln, Landrieu, Conrad, Nelson etc stupid enough to think the republicans won't tie that right around their necks in the next election?
And, without extending the public option to everyone, how do businesses get lower rates for their employees? A business should be able to negotiate with the public option in addition to private insurers to get the best deal for their employees. In fact the most logical way for businesses to offer insurance to their employees would be to offer their employees a pre-determined dollar amount that the employee can then use to buy the policy they want from the national exchange that includes the public option. That way everybody is in a national risk pool of 300 million people and you get the best price by being in the largest pool.
1. Obama is afraid of Republicans and will fold whenever they object to anything.
2. Obama is a corrupt corporatist.
For some reason, he'd rather be viewed as a coward by the people watching politics, when I suspect it's more of column 2. But maybe it's a little from column 1 and a little from column 2.
While the healthcare debate continues across the country, X remains committed to offering outstanding and affordable health care coverage to all of our employees. This past summer your Benefits Committee spent many hours reviewing costs and carriers. I am pleased to announce that the committee has chosen Cigna as our new medical insurance provider beginning January 1, 2010.
The 20.3% premium increase proposed by Aetna prompted our decision. By changing carriers we were able to reduce the increase to a point that X will absorb the entire premium increase for next year.
i think it's all going to work out, it just isn't going to be the cakewalk we expected. we'll have to keep yelling.
It wouldn't be the first time the majority of us were ignored... It would essentially be no different than opposition to the Iraq War, albeit under a different president.
He's fully in the arms of the corporate-loving DLC now and that means dick for the average citizen. Survive on the crumbs because until this DLC hacktacular snake oil salesman is tossed out by a furious
"anybody but Obama" electorate that's all the average American is going to get. Crumbs.
That is, unless Congress gets their act together and pushes back. Excuse me a moment.
Bwahahahaha, Congress getting their act together...that's a good one. Bwahahaha!
Ahem. More sell-out mediocrity from the Democratic Party. This country so needs another choice. Both major parties are abject failures in regards to serving the public.
Maybe it has to do with the 35 million dollars the US Chamber of Commerce spent last quarter.
Get ready to cough up $10,000 for nothing.
Can you say, "Faustian?"
My guess is that 5-6 conservative Senate Democrats (see: scumbags) have pledged to him with 100% assurity that they will join a Republican filibuster for any bill with a strong public option in it - despite being pushed continuously (behind the scenes) for the last 3 months.
With that information in hand, he pushes for compromise.
Robert Reich:
"...Big Pharma and big insurance hate the public insurance option even more than they hate big Medicare discounts. And although the President has sounded as if he would welcome it, political operatives in the White House have quietly reassured the industries that it won't be included in the final bill. At most, the bill would allow the formation of non-profit "cooperatives" that wouldn't have the scale or authority to squeeze the profits of private industry, or a "trigger" ..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-...
DON'T GET SICK
and if you do get sick
DIE QUICKLY
Riiiiiight, John. Maybe your political expertize is dated and obsolete as everyone knows that if Obama comes out publicly and hard for the public option, then it would be dead for sure.... I've cut and pasted your reply to me from the last time I questioned your policial acumen to save you the time you should otherwise devote to figuring this out...
"Yeah, that's why I've won so many battles against so many big politicians and big corporations, because I don't know politics. You on the other hand..."
I'm sorry, but that's absolutely ludicrous.
It is becoming obvious judging by the many appointments he has made that he is not a progressive man and that his personal success story reveals his need to succeed in the all American dream which is currently very tarnished.
He also is not a real leader or fighter which is an unpleasant surprise since he is undeniably highly intelligent and informed and at present, we need a strong, couragious man in control who is willing to take chances and risks for the better good.
He has been handed an almost impossible scenario which solution lies with brave change away from the status quo which he is not up to executing.
A great pity since his weaknesses may well lose him another term, prolong the current chaos and lose him the opportunity of being a truly historic president. As a result many of us do not trust what he is presenting to us and a case in point is the whole health care mess.
It is becoming obvious judging by the many appointments he has made that he is not a progressive man and that his personal success story reveals his need to succeed in the all American dream which is currently very tarnished.
He also is not a real leader or fighter which is an unpleasant surprise since he is undeniably highly intelligent and informed and at present, we need a strong, couragious man in control who is willing to take chances and risks for the better good.
He has been handed an almost impossible scenario which solution lies with brave change away from the status quo which he is not up to executing.
A great pity since his weaknesses may well lose him another term, prolong the current chaos and lose him the opportunity of being a truly historic president. As a result many of us do not trust what he is presenting to us and a case in point is the whole health care mess.