-
Website
http://www.americablog.com/ -
Original page
http://www.americablog.com/2009/08/this-just-in-obama-supports-public.html -
Subscribe
All Comments -
Community
-
-
Top Commenters
-
Popular Threads
- Obama now says he didn't campaign on the public option. The Google says he did, a lot.
- As President, Obama campaigned for the public option -- to some audiences anyway
- The irony is that DOD's pregnancy anti-pregnancy policy will probably lead to more abortions
- Obama doesn't think he compromised one bit on health care bill
- Gay marriage in Mexico City angers Catholic church and conservatives
This is the M.O.: Announce your plans & talk like a leader, then nearly back-pedal when repub's boo. Then we outraged citizens & the true Democrats in Wash. push him, and he gets back on track & says we'll do it with or without the repub's.
This man and his administration are becoming absolutely tedious. The inability to clearly articulate a position on any issue and then stand by it is depressing, especially coming from someone who is supposed to be so smart and principled.
over his concessions in the stimulus package
FISA
DADT
DOMA
Gitmo closure
government transparency
we keep saying he will deliver in the end. (when is the end?)
we keep saying he is making a chess move. (when will he move something bigger than a pawn?)
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Ya know, I've had enough shame on me.
-S
Part of the problem is that Obama surrounded himself with many of Clinton's people. Clinton hardly represents the progressive wing of the party.
But thanks for playing.
For the record, I am not blaming Hillary, but I think it is a joke to suggest the outcome would have been better with her as President.
My reason for saying that is her politics, which I fear is far closer to the Blue Crossers than the progressives.
Bill Clinton moved the party to the right. Hillary would have done the same.
I am not sure where Obama has moved it just yet...let me stick a finger in the air and figure out which way the wind is blowing.
No, she's a demLIGHT warmonger, she was "misled" into voting for the Iraq war and everything else.
Ran an incompetent campaign, was apparently TRICKED into voting for the Iraq boondoggle when the rest of the planet knew it was a crock?
Yeah. That's a real recipe for success.
Having said that, she's a warmonger, and her behavior overseas has been abdominable of late. And nobody who voted for Iraq or Iraq spending bills deserves to be pretzeldent.
Get over it, holy fuck.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich
Obama being a disappointment doesn't make Hillary look better, not even by comparison.
I think Roger Simon was trying to stir up the PUMAs.
Are you kidding?
She's the epitome of DLC.
In New York, men in button-down shirts outnumbered men in G-strings in a parade some said was less flamboyant than in past years — but still politically relevant. U.S. Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Charles Schumer were among the marchers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8367943/
That story proves nothing.
It would have been political suicide for her to stay away.
I expect more from so called democrats like Obama.
http://www.politico.com/largevideobox.html?id=3...
Go Barney!
What a curious thing to say! It sounds more and more like they are being intentionally vague.
It's politics and it happens. Instead of second guessing, let's remember this and be consistent in gettting our message and demands out better than the Republicans.
Geez, if I wanted as much angst as some of you folks are throwing out, I'd read a Spiderman comic.
Unfortunately, the bought-and-paid-for Blue Cross Democrats have no interest in turning on their masters.
Obama, rather than pandering to them, needs to get them to toe the line.
We cannot have GOP-lite Senators, from sparsely-populated states, dictate the terms of health care reform.
Angst? I don't think so. I think you are seeing outrage at the way Obama has been handling this issue. He has failed miserably at getting his message out, which is why public polling on this does not show a majority supporting his efforts.
My advice to him.
Stop the pandering...be forceful about what you truly believe in...and let the chips fall where they may.
Again, he has handled things horrendously, thus far.
The problem is this WH is LETTING others, be it blue dinos or red repubs, put the screws to them.
Nobody in this forum needs to be lectured to, and talked down to, by a shrill, condescending windbag.
Did you really write, "giving comfort to the enemy?!" Are you out of your F-in mind?
To progressives, President Obama has not just shown lack of leadership on health care reform, but just about everything he has touched...DOMA, DADT, wiretapping, his handling of the banks, his refusal to investigate the excesses and possible crimes of the prior administration, and on and on and on....
If you think we are going to roll over and shut up, you are dumber than your post indicates.
It's called freedom of speech.
Don't like it?
Then, get lost.
I have listed a litany of instances where I feel that that Obama has showed zero leadership.
Rather than simply dismissing those accusations, why not tell me his secret strategy, that he is keeping hidden from us.
So, what exactly were those lofty goals? And how do his actions as President jive with them?
What extraordinary changes has he wrought?
Try answering substantively, rather than dismissively, and maybe there would be a reason for a dialogue here.
I agree with you, Obama is shrewd. But, please, there is nothing to indicate that this man is truly a progressive. Bringing on Rahm as his chief-of-staff should have been your first clue.
As for your snarky comments about 'frenzy' and being 'embarrassingly childish,' it just reveals you to be a condescending blowhard.
Try an argument that actually has substance to it, if you are capable.
I repeat, you are a condescending windbag with zero credibility.
I am not going anywhere.
You, on the other hand, just might be if you keep it up.
I will take on your kind any time, any day.
Bring it on.
It's about peoples' lives.
Literally.
If Obama believed this, then he would have refused to bail out Wall Street unless national health was part of the deal. The fact that ABlog and its fans are trying to hold Obama's feet to the fire reflects poorly upon him, not us. After all, he promised us that he was our guy, and we now see that he is a fucking typical lying asshole politician. Reverand Wright was right!
That sounds awfully familiar.
What the fuck does that mean? I thought Sebelius was damn clear in what she said.
Gibbs is such a tool.
know.
He actually said 'dog whistle'?
He sounds like he's TRYING to be come across as being strong, but instead, he sounds defensive and weak.
Defensiveness is picked up by the public, too. Nonverbal cues, voice inflection, the language used. It doesn't take much.
Hell, that line he said at the town hall about "I don't want a system like Britain. I don't want a system like Canada. I want a uniquely American system."
That's defensive. I don't know if somebody asked about those 2 countries and he was responding, or if he realizes that this is what we are looking at as comparisons and mentioned it on his own, but he had to DEFEND a "uniquely American system." He had to sell it to the crowd. It's like he knows what he's doing isn't what people want.
I think he was responding to the republican noise machine regarding Canada and Britain.
And therein lies the problem.
He should be articulating HIS plan, not responding to false talking points.
You're absolutely right that the public picks up on it and the 'enemy' will pounce harder.
I noticed it at that 'big' news conference a few weeks back in his first or second sentence when he said "health *insurance* reform", not just 'health reform'. He was trying to put the obscene insurance industry that have bought and paid for him and many others at ease.
By trying to please everyone and offend no one, he pleases no one and offends everyone.
Not confidence inspiring for sure.
1. To HELL with the unwilling the Republicans (Southerners) and any remaining moderate republicans, if there are any, are going to be on board anyway... the rest (southerners don't count) so to hell with them!
2. Open up the Veteran program to any and all Veterans who were discharged honorably.
3. Combine Medicare, Medicaid and the drug program without the donut, then lower the age to 50 or 55. Also automate (digitize) and consulate all medical records as they do with the Veteran program.
4. Develop a new program based on the Veteran program for everyone else with scaleable premium and co-pays and get the show on the road and if the private insurance companies can;t keep up... the Hell with them!
Besides, there is something immoral about making a profit off the ill!
Go to the AP Fact Check analysis, which compares Obama's past statements with the lockstep chorus from the Administration now: Public Option is NOT required.
For Gibbs to say it was never required is disingenuousness worthy of Ari. Are they taking Lying Lessons from W?
Bloomberg has a better, more complete story on the subject here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20090818/pl_b...
It is not all that difficult to understand. President Obama doesn't have much of a choice in the matter. If the reform does not have a public option it will not be passed.
Obama does not want to fail. I think he is starting to realize that he has nothing to gain by pandering to the GOP. As far as the Blue Crossers, they are far less of a Congressional force than the progressives.
Sadly, Blue Cross Dems have too much influence on the relevant committees. THAT is why there is a disproportionate focus on them.
I do not think that the Democratic core is going to allow GOP-lite hacks like Baucus and company, from sparsely-populated states, to win the day on this.
Not if they are politically smart, at any rate.
@SalenaZito Iraq War protest repeat: Cindy Sheehan heads to Obama Vaca Martha’s Vineyard-wants anti-war demonstrators to mimic health-care protesters 8/18 11:47 A.M. –
You go, girl!
@andyroth The odds of Congress passing a gov’t-run health care plan has dropped from 45% to only 15% in 10 days. – 8/18 11:45 A.M. – http://tr.im/wC6Z
@andyroth “60,000 people have quit AARP over health reform” – 8/18 10:50 A.M. – http://tr.im/wC2w
Eliminate it and the insurance giants are home free.
It may be called reform, but will still smell like the pig it is. The true Democrats should stick to their guns on this and let Obama pander to us for a change.
The public option is not "only a small part of health care reform." As Howard Dean, and many others have pointed out, it is the CENTRAL part.
If there is no public option,insurance companies have no incentive to lower costs, that is why they are using Baucus and others as a front to push for unproven 'cooperatives.'
As far as I am concerned, and I do not need the msm to point this out, anybody who tells me that a public option is a minor part of reform is doing the bidding of the insurance and health care lobby.
That you can so casually dismiss it is actually a bit mind-blowing.
How do you not get that many of us think this is the most crucial part of health care reform?
uhhuh.
Trying to protect an oil line
I'd really like to do my job but
This ain't the country that I had in mind"
Bb, both Robert Cray and I agree with you.
Now what?
Edit: Didn't mean to come across nasty.
Sorry if it did.
Listen to Dr. Andrew Weil, not that goofball Dr. Gupta.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-weil-md/wh...
Now get out there and lead!
His role in passing health care reform is really a minor one, I suppose.
If understanding the way American politics plays out is tedious for you, may I suggest a double espresso.
I would hate to see you fall asleep and hit your head on your monitor.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/religio...
WTF???!!
Maybe he'll have his buddy Rick Warren head it up.
Might be time to take a little news break, but in all honesty, I'm too entrenched AND outraged right now.
At least that would explain why Warren was asked to attend.
It might even validate some of those crazy claims of 'chess not checkers'.
http://wordbloom.wordpress.com/