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AMERICAblog: Thursday Morning Open Thread

  • ComradeRutherford · 1 year ago
    Barry Goldwater has won the GOP nomination.

    They are all Goldwater now.
  • bish8 · 1 year ago
    HATE verses HOPE!
  • luvboxer · 1 year ago
    I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS PEOPLE...MY GOD THEY ARE SCARY...

    WE MUST GET BARACK ELECTED WE CANNOT STAND FOUR MORE YEARS OF THIS..THESE PEOPLE ARE EVIL THEY CARE ABOUT NOTHING BUT WINNING AND THIS IS SO WRONG FOR OUR COUNTRY....PLEASE AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!
  • Outraged2 · 1 year ago
    Creepy Joe? If you haven't read Stephen King's "The Stand" yet, read it, and you will. "Shibboleth"!
  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
    Very Observation Joe. There's something I just can't put my finger on it....creepy in a high school kind of way.
    It's like a plot in a movie I've seen.....where the high school jocks think they rule the school....and the head cheerleader cheered them on.....
  • jcgraham77 · 1 year ago
    OMG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That was totally it...I couldn't put my finger on it but that is it. YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I prefer to call her the IceWitch or IceBitch from now on.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    It's like a plot in a movie I've seen.....where the high school jocks think they rule the school....and the head cheerleader cheered them on...

    Hardly that mild. More like Satan is behind the all the vile things going on in the high school as he is behind all the crimes of the Republicans and the Bush administration. What is so discouraging is that so many of the Republican leaders go along is such a creepy way as if they are somehow controlled body and soul by Satan, hypnotized, black magically controlled by a blood signed contract or just terrified out of their life of being decent, normal, honest, courageous human beings. Find it so hard to believe that there are no good people among the Republicans, but if that is bad, the failure of the Democrats who are supposed to be the opposition, to act to defend the American people is completely beyond all comprehension.
  • PissedSissy · 1 year ago
    To win this election, repeat one mantra:

    Palin = Bush
  • HereinDC · 1 year ago
    Palin = Cheney
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Ha ha! I can top that.

    Palin = Barney (Bush's dog)
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Sarah Palin's speech reminded me of Alicia Silverstone's bitchy Valley Girl character in "Clueless" - but without Silverstone's ocassional glimmers of insightfulness.

    The whole convention seems to be nothing but creepy people who teeter on the edges of mental illnesses that make them incapable of logic or love.
  • stevetalbert · 1 year ago
    Maybe they are in the anger stage of dying.

    Maybe it is creepy like vaguely realizing that you are actually seeing a parallel world. Like you realize in the side of your eye that maybe you are seeing everything in a mirror backwards. Everything about McCain's run has a black is white quality to it to me. A big part of the problem is the lack of education in critical thinking. I think home schooling is a big contributor. They genuinely see Palin = Obama and McCain = Biden - but it is all wrong in terms of the references being out of alignment... Hillary is whining because of sexism, but the men around Palin are not. Bristol has a choice but she doesn't. Families are private but you have to look at mine. It is the cognitive dissonance of in your face lying. That is why the whole thing seems off in some weird way to me.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Maybe it is creepy like vaguely realizing that you are actually seeing a parallel world.

    Yeah, reminds me of the Star Trek episodes where all the characters have evil duplicates in an evil alternate universe.

    Ha! Just had a very funny thought. In that alternate universe, Bush and Cheney would be good guys. That is hillarous. It's also tragically sad.
  • mgardener · 1 year ago
    Joe,
    I think the feeling is slimeness.
    Maybe we thought thought that with this administrations "messes" things would change.
    It's obvious that they haven't and they will not. No one held them accountable.
    We should have Impeached Bush. The Republicans became almost untouchable after they "almost" got Clinton. We did nothing to them for all they did after these long 8 years.
    Why should they change? No one does a damn thing to stop them. They have done almost everything EXCEPT have sex in the White House to get IMPEACHED and we did NOTHING!!!
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    mgardener - Pelosi said that "...she didn't think the American people were ready for impeachment...". Now, think about how insane that comment is. No where in the Constitution does it reference what the Speakers thinks when it comes to Impeachment. It is, de facto, a constitutional duty - of course, in a land of lies and insanity, the Rule of Law is nothing more then a joke. We can, in the end, thank the fascist whore Press for much of what we are now seeing.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    de facto, a constitutional duty - of course, in a land of lies and insanity, the Rule of Law is nothing more then a joke.

    Ah ha! Ah ha! That explains it. This is the evil alternate universe.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Actually, this can't be the evil alternate universe as in that universe, the protestors at the Republican convention would be evil, but here they are the good guys. And as weak as Obama is, I have to believe he is a good guy to even have the concept of Change you can believe in. And Amy Goodman would be evil. Sigh, I wish she would break out her phaser, transport to the Oval Office, phaser the bad guys and end this Star Trek episode.
  • sanitydotcom · 1 year ago
    As I was commuting today several things struck me.

    1. The progressive disposition is about:
    unity
    cooperation
    tolerance
    sanity

    a fundamental orientation to humankind as one species, compassionate regard for all, respect, and calling forth the light, the best in each person, the heart.

    2. The corruptican ideals are difference, superiority, ego, narcissism, power at all costs, winners/losers, and altogether putting down (or scapegoating) an "other" of whatever type.

    That itself is the worst of humankind, the darkness, the ego, the lowest of the low. Primitive. Infantile. Fear. Anger.

    3. Humankind, in this age of global warming and total interconnectedness needs to truly wake up to what is the reality situation here.

    This whole fear-based paradigm of difference and uncooperation and murder and hate and scapegoat never has worked, and will not work in this new global era of global humankind.

    It is a matter of growing out of infancy and childhood and adolescence and becoming a truly mature human adult, in the interdependent reality which we all exist in, regardness of our levels of denial and addiction to whatever "belief systems".

    4. Sarah Palin is a reflection of everything that is wrong with our species. And our illusion politics.

    Thanks for this blog, a refuge of sanity in a mad mad mad world...
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Amen sanitydotcom!
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    wow. beautiful comment.

    i'm glad the crystal clear choice is laid out there this time. always in the past, there was the ability to confuse the truth to the extent it passed for truth. not anymore.

    now we have the chance to choose based on all the facts. yes we can.
  • katjam · 1 year ago
    Well said.
  • Bubbles · 1 year ago
    The problem is, no matter how crappy the product, the American people will vote for it.

    That's the creepy part.

    The Republicans on the floor of the convention are facing elimination or transmogrification. They've thrown their lives, fortunes and their souls in with this awful lot, and now they are guiding them to the gates of hell, and the only thing they can do is cheer and hope that it's really the gates of heaven that they are standing outside of.

    Maybe that's the creepyness of it all. These people have embraced the devil thinking he was the opposite, the devil has lead them to the gates of hell, and they want to believe it's the opposite. As Democrats, we can see it clearly. But its an act of willful blindness on a massive scale.

    But the creepyness is bigger than that. There's the creepyness of the press going along to get along.

    There's the creepyness of the American people who have already voted this kind of politics into office twice. This is worse, this is the deep end, this is the abyss. America as we know it won't survive these guys if they get elected, but the Republican party wont survive if they don't. Biden said they'll be waiting with the indictments. There's desperation. The followers wont to believe they are angels following God's will, when they are minions following something else. This is all very very very creepy, and no healthy nation should so much as be flirting with this kind of politics. What kind of future awaits an America that wants to replace science with theology. These people are creepy but they know how to get elected. I really fear, deeply for my country.

    We are watching the disolution of our politics and thus, of our country right before our very eyes. They may be republicans but they shouldn't be buying into, let alone cheering on this kind of crap that's ruining the country. One senses that if they put Hitler himself up there to rally the base, that they would cheer him on. This from a major political party. The party that said 8 years ago that finally the grownups would be incharge.
  • Mark217 · 1 year ago
    No one at the RNC was "celebrating" (or even mentioning) the accomplishments of Dick Cheney last night, the VP Palin wants to replace. And the printed "Prosperity" signs being waved by some in the RNC crowd were surreal. I agree with the assessment of Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy "bullshit" and "cynical." That was one elderly caucasian crowd!
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Did anyone else notice that Silly Sarah is now sporting one of those creepy long hairdos similar to what the women at that polygamous Mormon compound in Texas wore? (the one where Texas officials snatched all the kids a few months ago)
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    yes. ugh.
  • jcgraham77 · 1 year ago
    Traditional Penecostal/Assembly of God women's attire is exactly like the compound women. My grandparents were Pentecostal and the likeness is uncanny...what is even funnier is that a lot of Pentecostal women will wear over top eyeglasses too.
  • stevetalbert · 1 year ago
    I didn't want to have a long comment.. but it is the same with Palin and McCain's positions. They are presented as if they are 180 degrees from what they are... but they are really opposites.. they are just lying on things that are so easily proven wrong.. and on little things. She was Miss Congeniality-- but she wasn't. McCain was tortured but he supported the bill that decided what he went through is not torture. Wes Clark is lambasted about calling out McCain's lack of qualifications but Fred Thompson says the same thing at the convention and gets applause... Very creepy to me. I feel like if I watch TV, I will end up exploding like in the movie Scanners.....
  • prochoicelib · 1 year ago
    Because the people watching and votinhttp://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/g for these guys are RW Authoritarians. A must (and free) read at this site: http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

    It will make so much sense.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Very creepy to me. I feel like if I watch TV, I will end up exploding like in the movie Scanners.....

    Now you are scaring me. I was joking about the evil alternate universe from Star Trek, but now beginning to get a very chilly feeling in my spine, and to tell you the truth, the idea that there is another universe where Bush and Cheney are the good guys is beyond creepy, it is making me insane.

    If this is the evil alternate universe, then Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin and the Republicans cheer for the bad guys when they watch Star Trek.

    I'm dropping this line of thought. It is far, far too over the edge for me. I can seriously believe that Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin and the Republicans watch Star Trek so they can cheer for the bad guys.
  • katjam · 1 year ago
    Creepy is watching people cheer insanely for an America in which caring, kindness, respect, thoughfulness, honor, emphathy, education, and personal responsibility for one's self and others is mocked and ridiculed in an orgy of testosterone-driven demagoguery. I am surprised it wasn't followed by the crowds surging into the streets to shoot off their guns in celebration.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    katjam - welcome to the inquisition.
  • prochoicelib · 1 year ago
    Why not? This is what passes the air time on Fox pnewz, Hannity and $250m Rush. This is who they are. But remember, they can channel Jesus so they're better than you.
  • Bubbles · 1 year ago
    Or an evening torch light parade through the streets that the nazis liked to have after one of their own rallies
  • katjam · 1 year ago
    The Godwin principle states that when one starts using Nazi
    comparisons it shows they have lost the argument. Most of the time I
    agree with that but in truth the demagoguery I saw on display last
    night combined with the display of Cindy McCain as the ultimate Aryan
    princess gave me a sense of foreboding other citizens have felt in
    many countries when they see reactionary powers in the ascendency.
  • tjlabs · 1 year ago
    McCain and his handlers thought they were too smart by half with Palin's performance last night. In fact, they made the Dems job a lot easier. Read more. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/09/thnaks-senato...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Creepy is right.

    The Right Wing Smear and Slime machine is alive and well ....it just found a more caustic voice in Palin.

    And isn't mocking and degrading community organizers sheer snobbery and elitism?
  • Wolfsinger · 1 year ago
    Grandma is right. Last night was some kind of creepy. The Right would never tolerate a Democrat parading around a male who had out-of-wedlock sex with a minor child. Last night, he was a family values hero on a world stage.

    The right would never stand for a Democrat who resorted to such sociopathic playground bully attacks from one person as was heard last night en mass.

    Last night proved that all the hate from the Right, hate that has literally caused untold death and suffering, is now a Family Values platform for the future of our country.

    Seriously creepy.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Roland Martin last nite on CNN:

    Let me get to the point in Palin's speech that she mocked "community organizers". My 2 parents are sitting home in Houston, Texas and they are both community organizers and the GOP and Sarah Palin might have well have said "being community organizers doesnt matter" to my parents face. Im disgusted. Community organizers keep people in their homes, keep their lights on, keep food in the fridge. The GOP wants to talk about small town issues, well being a community organizer, addresses just that. So what did I hear from the speech--this is a quote from Roland, "The GOP doesnt give a flying flip about community organizers"

    During his whole passioned rant, he was visibly angry and upset that he had watched someone belittle what his parents had done to raise him and help others there whole lives.

    http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/4/0829/957...
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Hub stylists say Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s hairdo is ‘20 years out of date.’

    http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?...
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Her hair was Pentacostalist Freak Chic. Creepy to the max.
  • dricey · 1 year ago
    What I saw last night was a speech attacking Obama on grounds that have long ago been discredited, and supporting McCain on grounds that anyone not off-planet for the last eight years would recognize as absurd (the DC "establishment" is REPUBLICAN, you idiot), all delivered competently, by someone who came off as a small-town PTA president, NOT as a future Vice-President of the most powerful nation in the world. So, I don't know why anyone outside the megachurch base off the Republican Party is gushing over this.
  • OustHuseinObama · 1 year ago
    It is really funny to see all the liberals comment here. They can't stand to hear the truth. What great speaches last night and no wonder they have the Liberals stewing. Truth hurts and usually wins out so bye bye Obama and "Its my turn Biden"
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    if the truth hurts, why do the republicans fill their speeches with lies? why do they put power first and country last? why is patriotism just a meaningless word to them, instead of a guiding principle? losers resort to condescension, one-liners and mockery when they are morally and intellectually bankrupt.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    Get a job AW. We're stewing bc we've had 8 years of fascist bullshit.

    Steve: Hit the wrong reply link.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    no biggie. but who is AW?
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    "Speech" has two e's in it. And there wasn't one word of truth or love in any speech at that God-forsaken convention.
    They offered no solutions to any of the problems facing us. None.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Liberals can't stand the truth. You are so way off you have to be insane. The Republican Convention i steeped in lies, distortions, twisted statements, etc. Everything that conservatives ostensibly stand for, the Republicans have twisted and done the exact opposite while still pretending to to uphold their proclaimed ideals. They claim that McCain and Palin are Mavericks, straight shooters, honorable, decent and have the experience to be our leaders. It is the exact opposite of the truth. No, sadly it is the current Republican party that can't stand the truth.
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    Morning Joe, ugh! Joe and Mika keep getting shriller and shriller. Sound like Buchanan. They can't wait to get Democrats on so they can make fun of them and tout Palin's "great" speech. If not for the campaigns this pair wouldn't have a reason for being. Hopefully after November we won't be subjected to Joe and Mika again; what a pair of repug shills.
  • Wolfsinger · 1 year ago
    The Right is all in on their brand of politics. They are counting on the media to continue to give them a free pass and double standards by which the candidates are to be judged while ceaselessly regurgitating Rovian talking points around the clock.

    All the while, not just hoping but actually BELIEVING that the American public will forget that the last eight years have ever happened.

    I confess, my worst nightmare is John McCain on the morning after the election telling the world, while we puke in our shoes that he would like the thank...
    "The Architect"
  • Milli · 1 year ago
    blah blah blah hockey blah blah blah lipstick blah blah blah. aren't i so cute???

    Obama should immediately put out a commercial with the footage of Palin saying that she doesn't know what a vice president does. Loop it and loop it and loop it for the rest of the campaign.
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    And a commercial of her mocking and degrading community organizers. Elitism and snobbery.
  • marijo · 1 year ago
    Absolutely! Only then she will say he's being mean and sexist...Boo Hoo!!
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Yes!
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Obama graduated from Columbia University and Harvard School of Law.
    Palin has a BS degree in Journalism from U of Idaho.

    I wish one of the cable bloviators would bring that up.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Cable bloviators with degrees from Phoenix University? Not likely.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    The spin: ELITIST!
  • prochoicelib · 1 year ago
    That's true, but Dumbya graduated from Yale, and Harvard Business. The Ivy Leagues have hit the gutter as far as I'm concerned.
  • Hurrycane · 1 year ago
    Didn't Bush graduate near the bottom of his class, at least at Yale?
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Does it matter what his class standing was? It is so blatantly clear that Bush's degrees were bought and paid for. Did he attend classes? If he did, he still could not have taken the exams and passed any of the courses. When he gets on Air Force One even today, I have the impression he still has no idea of the geography of the world, that China is in Asia, England and France are in Europe and Venezuela is in South America. Does he have any idea at all of what it means to have a decimal system of math or what the Dewey decimal system refer to?

    Good Grief! Don't forget that bullshit summer reading list the administration put three years ago trying to convince us he was going to read 60 books that year, including Albert Camus's The Stranger, The History of Salt, etc. I joke that he never finished My Pet Goat but the reality is that is his reading level.

    He once said he doesn't read the newpapers, but now says that he was joking. I wonder. We know he doesn't read the morning briefings and needs his aids to summarize them for him. I seriously doubt his mind is paying much attention, probably thinking of how many repeats of bench presses he will do or how many miles he will bike.

    No, Bush may have been awarded degrees from Harvard and Yale, but he never earn them.
  • Sage24 · 1 year ago
    This just proves that the rethuglicans have very low standards when it comes to nominating their candidates. They don't seem able to look beyond their arrogant noses.....I cannot understand why they think a rookie, gun toting, red neck, from Alaska, who has absolutely NO experience in the mainland, will make a great VP., especially when the McCain campaign has said that she will be learning at the foot of the master!!! The rethugs simply cannot get it. They made the worst mistake ever, by voting for Bush and Cheney, and you would think they have learned from their mistakes.

    The biggest joke of the evening was morally bankrupt Rudy, who stated that Palin had more executive experience than Obama and Biden together.
    That means McCain does not have any too. So perhaps they should make Sarah the Redneck, their presidential nominee, no?
  • Lolis · 1 year ago
    some Republicans have learned from their mistakes. I just interviewed a woman who voted Bush and it has made her completely re-evaluate her political philosophy. She is now a huge Obama supporter who volunteers with three young children. There is hope that people will see the light. She told me that she only used to watch Fox News and lived in an echo chamber of hate.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    In the past week or so i have reminded you all that beyond Obama there is the matter of getting a solid majority in Congress both the House and Senate. Without that Lieberman continues to hold a major hand of cards. In addition the GOP will fillibuster, sulk and lie about everything the Dems try and do. We also must insist that all the right wing religious bigots be rooted out of Washington and fired and or charged with various crimes.
    Palin is a bigot, she has used her family and her daughter's boyfriend by outing the pregnancy, allowing the press to ridicule them and then hold them close. I am a moderate but I think that i would hold a certain degree of resentment to the kid who knocked up my 17 year old daughter. I would not be flying him to the convention and doing photo ops with him. That came across as if he was this prime stud who has super sperm and any one who comes in contact is going to be carrying his GOD child.
    Joe as far as being creepy it is because the attendees and speakers are totally ignoring the 8 years of Bush Cheney as if they had nothing to do with it. They didn't mention any of the major failures and all that was important was keeping the drumbeat of war going on along with more for the have's and have mores
    The rich don't give a shit how poor we have become, the rich don't give a shit if you lost your home, the rich don't give a shit if you kid can't go to college, the rich don't give a shit if you can't find work, the rich don't give a shit if you have no healthcare, the rich don't give a shit if we kill thousands of Iraqi civilians, the rich don't give a shit about the truth, the rich don't give a shit about corruption, kickbacks and bribes to our officials, the rich don't give a shit if bridges collapse, the rich don't give a shit about special needs kids, the rich don't give a shit about anything ridiculing their own children.
    THE RICH ONLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THEMSELVES AND HOW THE CAN GET MORE MONEY AND MORE POWER.
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    "The rich don't give a shit how poor we have become, the rich don't give a shit if you lost your home, the rich don't give a shit if you kid can't go to college, the rich don't give a shit if you can't find work, the rich don't give a shit if you have no healthcare, the rich don't give a shit if we kill thousands of Iraqi civilians, the rich don't give a shit about the truth, the rich don't give a shit about corruption, kickbacks and bribes to our officials, the rich don't give a shit if bridges collapse, the rich don't give a shit about special needs kids, the rich don't give a shit about ridiculing their own children.""

    Well said lynch. Note that rich & rePiglicans are interchangeable.
  • concernedme · 1 year ago
    I don't understand that O'Bama/Palin commercial. Is Mc Cain sick? Does he feel he won't make 4 years?
  • grandma · 1 year ago
    Palin: Karl Rove in a dress.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Make this election about Social Security.

    It's the only issue all voters feel they have a stake in.
  • Milli · 1 year ago
    Joe the creepiest part of the night (that I saw) was when the audience started chanting "drill baby drill" during Guliani's speech. What in hell was that?

    Also, does anyone know why Olbermann is back in New York and not at the convention with Chris Matthews? Was it his choice or someone else's?
  • marijo · 1 year ago
    I heard he was kicked out of the convention hall...our great democracy and free speech at work...at least he wasn't arrested like 300 other dissenters...
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    "What in the hell was that?" That was a mass shoutout to Levi Johnston!
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    That creepiness is the Radical Right rising from the Dead.

    Ironically, the so-called "maverick" is becoming more Wingnutty than Bush/Cheney ever dared.

    Will it work?

    I don't have much faith in this country after 2004, but there must have been some reason why Bush/Rove kept these people off Prime Time when they were running the show.
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    Aside from parading Levi Johnston around, presumably to get the f*ckin' redneck vote, what is it with their use of that Down's syndrome baby as a political prop? Why is the infant being paraded about by Daddy Caregiver (insead of the nanny who is really taking care of it) late at night at a noisy convention? And why is it always asleep? Does it ever cry? Have they doped it up? Or did they just use a rubber baby from the Hollywood prop shop? Oh, I'm sorry. Families are off limits. My bad.
  • Lolis · 1 year ago
    Families off limits, except Michelle Obama.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    That infant was passed around like a bong in a frat house. Especially galling to see Cindy cradling it, a visual reminder to all of us of all the dying little babays she has supposedly cradled in the gutters of Bangladesh.
  • trish_downunder · 1 year ago
    I was just having a look at the Republican's Convention website, and the Speakers over the last few days have been mostly men. Two women - Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina spoke earlier in the week, and of course Laura Bush and Cindy McCain turned up. If you have a look at the speeches of Whitman and Fiorina (transcripts are on that website) and do a "Find On This Page: Palin", you'll see that both women barely mention her.

    Carly Fiorina mentions her once: "John McCain has the knowledge, the guts, and now in Sarah Palin, the partner he needs to actually get it done."

    Meg Whitman mentions her four times, but each time she is saying "John McCain and Sarah Palin..." and doesn't talk about Sarah Palin at all, other than saying that she'll do what John McCain will do.

    (I see on the website that there were other speakers, including Haley Barbour... oops, just checked, Haley's a bloke... um... Michele Bachmann (MN) was a speaker but perhaps via satellite? There's no video or transcript of her contribution... anyway, just trying to show that I went looking for other female presenters on the Republican National Convention website).

    It strikes me as very odd that the Republicans have put forward a woman candidate for VP, but can't find a woman Republican willing to sing her praises.

    I think Sarah Palin is one of those women who really appeals to men, but women don't like her much.

    SARAH PALIN - ALL TIP, NO ICEBERG
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Breakfast TV on the network and cable news: Wow! What a new star! She's brought the excitement factor back into the Republican party John McCain sure has a tough act to follow. Will she overshadow him?! She can "connect" with people in a way only Obama can, so it's going to be an Obama vs. Palin election! She sure got some great zingers in there, so Obama looks pretty lame today! Todd Palin: what a man's man! But can he cope being away from his solid Alaska roots as Mr. Mom in Washington? It's outrageous and sexist that Harry Reid called Sarah "shrill." Carly Fiorina said so, and promised Doocey and Kilmeade, those new feminists, that the GOP would respect ALL women ALL the time!
  • marijo · 1 year ago
    So wait...When Obama makes a great speech, we get "he can read off a teleprompter but there's nothing behind it" but when Palin gives one "great speech" that was nothing but vitriol and hatred for anyone or anything that doesn't mesh with her narrow view of the world she's the next great star? WTF!! I am SO afraid for this country...
  • prochoicelib · 1 year ago
    It's called propaganda. We only get real thoughts when they go off camera and think the mic is off.
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    And guess what - she was reading off a teleprompter. It was shown on the MSNBC coverage, plus, looking at the C-Span coverage this morning, it was obvious she was checking it every two to three sentences. Check the way her eyes kept flicking towards the teleprompter.
  • loona_c · 1 year ago
    Those repubs at the convention were creepy, they were all so gleeful in their hate.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Thank goodness Gustav didn't stop them from having their Whites Only Hate Fest.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Good morning and welcome to Trailer Court Amerika. Did you ever think it could sag so low?
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    The pundits, many months ago, said about Huckabee that the GOP Establishment exploits his kind for electioneering purposes, but would never permit someone like him to actually govern. How wrong they were!
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Good point!
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    lies and smears - same as it ever was.

    but two new things:
    -Obama
    - the GOPers no longer control all the information outlets. spread the word.
  • marijo · 1 year ago
    Where is the REAL America in this convention??? No ethnic diversity at all...no compassion, no positive direction, just snide, sarcastic, BITCHY rhetoric, and certainly NO CHANGE! As a woman, I know bitchy when I see it, so don't call me sexist...PLEASE America, see this for what it is!
  • trish_downunder · 1 year ago
    That was my assessment, too - BITCHY.

    I don't like her.

    SARAH PALIN - ALL TIP, NO ICEBERG
  • prochoicelib · 1 year ago
    This is the America they want. No brown people, no one that doesn't accept Jesus as their savior, hence the Palin choice. She passed the only qualification for office she needed...she's one of them.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Where is the REAL America in this convention???

    Where is reality at this convention? The nation has changed and they don't acknowledge it. They still think liberal is a dirty, dirty, profane, ugly, despicable word but failed to notice how that word was embraced at the Democratic convention and the word is no something that Democrats run away from. Carter, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all denied being liberals, but now the Democrats at their convention were proud to call themselves liberals.

    Everything at the Republican convention is the opposite of, not the real America, but the opposite of reality. They deny global warming, for god sake. They deny evolution. They want women to be barefoot, pregnant and no voting rights, let alone their out of touch stand on abortion and contraception. War is peace. How's about compassionate conservativism, the Blue Sky’s Initiative, No Child Left Behind, the Healthy Forests initiative? How is any of that reality? Only thing that hasn't come out of the Republican convention is up is down ... at least I haven’t heard it. We've already had evil is good. [Snark! Snark! And Bush is a genius. Sorry, I couldn’t resist!]

    The Republicans also criticize Obama’s lack of experience. I suppose that means that Hitler’s long, long experience in leading Germany is the kind of qualification that they want for the American presidency, or Stalin’s experience, Lenin, Chairman Mao, etc. Yes, Obama’s resume is a bit short as he is young.

    The reality is the American people will put Obama’s intelligence, ability, character, integrity and articulate speech against all the above mentioned great Republican heroes. But from the speeches given at the Republican convention, when the Republicans need to talk about a great president, to whom have they compared themselves? Democrats! FDR, JFK, and that little man who was a haberdasher in Missouri, Truman. Do they mention Nixon or even the current Bush who they wanted to put on Mt. Rushmore by the end of the first week of his first term?
  • Outraged2 · 1 year ago
    Levi Johnston -- who's claim to fame is he knocked up the abstinence only, family values governor's daughter? Well, there goes the nation's trailer park vote. Maybe they'll make him Secretary of the Puffy Pink Interior.
  • boloboffin · 1 year ago
    I'll tell you part of your trouble, Joe. It's that set! Glowing red aisles and that massive Jumbotron flag waving behind all the speakers and reflecting off the stage floor. Sorry to Godwinize, but just imagine a Nazi flag waving over that huge screen. It's like one of those creepy S&M clubs in Second Life that you'll stumble across if you're just flying around taking in the digital scenery.

    Earlier yesterday when the McCain-Palin logo was on the screen, it wasn't against its usual blue in the signs, but the same red as the aisle. Red, the top of the Terrorist Awareness slide, red, the color of danger and blood spilling through the aisles. The Republicans might want to invest in rebranding to green or burnt sierra.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    of course Palin's going to lie...and in years past it would've worked. not anymore.

    women voters aren't falling for it:
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/4/7415...
  • Wolfsinger · 1 year ago
    Is McCain actually in charge of his campaign anymore? As leader of his party is he really ok with the hiring of the scum merchant who at Rove's bidding, slimed him in 2000?

    John McCain & Sarah Palin have something else in common. Both are empty suites who read Rove speeches and they both deliver them with that greasy snarky, condescending smarmy -smile-

    Mega creepy.
  • prochoicelib · 1 year ago
    Is McCain actually in charge of his campaign anymore?

    If he wins, will he be in charge of his Presidency?
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    ...just now watching the video of Palin's speech.

    there is something completely false feeling about her. empty. self-centered.
    i feel sorry for her children. They look lost and miserable.
    Todd is holding the baby tonight for a change...hmm. he looks around, bored.
    lots of faces in the crowd seem icked out, even while they wave flags and signs.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    i feel sorry for her children. They look lost and miserable.

    I don't think the kids looked that bad. They had the look of long suffering that kids have when they had to attend adult events that they don't understand and aren't interested in. You have to admit that they were clean cut, well behaved and decent looking kids a far, far cry from the Bush twins even though the Bush twins were far older, they were repulsive. i feel for Bristol as she no more deserves the pain of the ugly spotlight on her. It is truly shameful that her own mother would subject her to such vicious, painful, insensitive scrutiny for her mistake that so many other young girls have made. Sarah Palin is so far off base in her own selfish sacrifice of Bristol for her own ambition. Obama is right, the kids are off limits and the first who should take that message to heart is Sarah Palin. As for Levi Johnston, Gods! Even if he is a complete jerk, he is being scraped across the concrete way beyond his own shallow selfish self. Can they do any worse to him to twist and turn him into a completely lost, corrupt, cynical, vile, soulless person, another George Bush?
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    I wonder how busy the toilets at the Minneapolis airport are this week with all these Closet Cases in town?

    Has Larry Craig been interviewed on when he will go back to do some more toe-tapping there?
  • houstonray · 1 year ago
    I didn't watch last night, lest my eyes and ears start bleeding, but I have managed to catch some clips this morning on the news as I channel surfed. I was hoping that a good nights rest might wake me from the nightmare that is the Republican Convention, but alas, it did not.

    This convention has got to be one of, if not THE, most hate filled, desperate, vacuous, mean spirited I have ever seen. Even the 2004 Convention, which was filled with 9/11 imagery, was not this low.

    Is this the best the Party has? Is this the message they want to put across? It was like I was watching some sort of hybrid of a pro war rally and a religious big tent revival.

    If I was a core Republican, and thank goodness I'm not, I would be ashamed of my party right now. As an American, I am scared for my country. Is this what we are coming to? Is this the kind of future we want to leave our children and grandchildren? Is this the America we want the rest of the world to strive to be?

    Wow. Simply, wow.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    If you thought last night was bad, you should have seen the HateFest that was 92!
  • Wolfsinger · 1 year ago
    Well said
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    from the NYT -
    'Ms. Palin also displayed humor in one of her biggest lines of the night when she said that “the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull” was “lipstick.”

    'Ms. Palin also displayed the urgent need for male approval in one of her biggest lines...'

    there, that's better.
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    Amy Goodman's Democracy Now is discussing the arrest of the protestors on terrorism charges at the Republican National Convention. I'm appalled at the out of control St. Paul police violating the rights of these protestors and their civil rights. If we had anything like a decent, honest administration in Washington, the St. Paul sheriff's department would be prosecuted by federal prosecutors for civil rights violations butm of course, the current despot, typrant and dictator-in-chief and his administration probably ordered the oppression of protests. These are simply more crimes to add to long, long list of crimes committed by this administration that I hope the Damnocrats will prosecute after the November elections when they will have large majorities in both houses of Congress as well as Obama as the president. But if Pelosi is House Speaker and Reid is Majority Leader in the Senate, then I look to hear loud clucking sounds coming from the HIll. Am I the only who has noticed that both of them have started to grow feathers. But then, both of them have already laid many, many eggs.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    McCain has gone completely to the extreme conservative wing-nut edge...and he wants to pretend he's still The Maverick...that's what they're banking on...that lots of people swallow the line....

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
  • Ed in Cleveland · 1 year ago
    I used to vote Democrat all of the time and kind of liked Obama at first.Lately ,I have heard just too much stuff about Obama,that has me leaning toward voting for John McCain. I am posting a few reasons of why I am concerned that if Obama should become President of the United States we would be in big trouble.I would like to know why anyone would still be supporting this guy ,taking into consideration some of the things he would do ,if elected to be the next President of the United States.

    1.Windfall profits tax on the oil companies which will only cause gasoline prices to double from where they are today.
    2.He will raise everyone's taxes meaning that hard working Americans will be seeing even less of their hard-earned money.
    3.He will raise taxes on businesses ,which will result in sky high prices for products and services.These tax increases will cause many smaller business to drastically downsize or go out of business.This helps the economy ,how?
    4.He will cut the military and defense spending,which will greatly jeopardize our national security.
    5.His proposed socialized healthcare plan would ruin the healthcare industry and only have a negative impact on citizen's ability to receive proper medical care.

    Those are just a few points that I can think of at the moment. Why would anyone in their right mind think that these things are good for America?
  • houstonray · 1 year ago
    I've been all over his website and I don't see anything that says "he will raise everyone's taxes" "he will raise taxes on business" "he will cut military and defense spending". I like how all of your scary "plans" have statements of fact at the end too..."which will result in sky high prices", "which will jeopardize our security" "which will have a negative impact on citizen's ability to receive proper medical care"....Wow, fear much?

    Yeah, things are going SO great right now, that's what we need, is 4 more years of the last 8 years....
  • Ed in Cleveland · 1 year ago
    I listen to alot of talk radio and that's all I have been hearing about Obama.I listen to Rush Limbaugh and a couple of local shows and they seem to have lots of facts to back up these statements.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    I read last night on some fact checking page that Obama will add 5% to your income whereas the McCAin plan adds 3% to your income. I will try to find that for you. So while both are attacking taxes in a different way, Obama's plan will put more in your check.
  • houstonray · 1 year ago
    Then you need to get out more...

    Read, learn for yourself, don't take what you hear on the radio and run with it. They have a job, they are paid to do what they do. Case in point, did you hear the two Republican 'rah rah' talking heads yesterday that thought their mic was off? They trashed McCain and the party. See, they get paid to make you believe it's the greatest thing ever, that they are the only ones who know what's right, and how to get things done, but when the cameras are off, or the radio mic is silent, they don't believe it either...and neither should you. Just do some research, I am sure you will learn more than you imagined and maybe just realize that you can't believe everything you hear...
  • vegasbaby · 1 year ago
    if you haven't figured it out by now, Rush is a pill popping egotistical liar who is a puppet for the GOP
  • vegasbaby · 1 year ago
    if you haven't figured it out by now, Rush is a pill popping egotistical liar who is a puppet for the GOP
  • vegasbaby · 1 year ago
    if you haven't figured it out by now, Rush is a pill popping egotistical liar who is a puppet for the GOP
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    why would anyone who's lived through the last eight years believe a word of the bullshit you just typed? are you kidding?
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Let me put as simply as I can the differences between Obama's health care plan and McCain's


    1. Your current health plan
     Under Obama you’ll be able to stay in your current employer plan if you want to, and costs will go down.
     Under McCain you’re likely to lose your current employer health plan and be on your own to buy a policy for yourself or your family.

    2. The power of health insurance com
     Obama’s plan stops insurance companies from denying coverage or discriminating against people who have a pre-existing condition or become sick. McCain’s plan makes no changes to stop this from happening.
     Obama’s plan puts requirements in place to make sure insurance companies have to do right by people on affordability and quality of coverage. McCain’s plan leaves insurance companies to offer whatever plans and prices they want. There will be no guarantee that you’ll be able to afford good coverage.

    3. Cost
     Obama estimates the cost-saving measures his plan will reduce the typical family’s healthcare premiums by $2,500.
     McCain does not provide an estimate for his plan on reducing costs. But outside experts have estimated that the tax changes he’s proposing on health care will mean a federal income tax increase of over $1,000 for a family that earns between $40,000 and $60,000 a year. (Center for American Progress Action Fund)

    4. Preventive care
     Under Obama’s plan, insurance companies will be required to cover the cost of preventive care.
     Under McCain’s plan, there is no requirement that insurance companies cover prevention. And his plan promotes Health Savings Accounts. They’re usually paired with high-deductible policies – meaning people have to pay out-of-pocket for routine care and prevention – something they’re probably less likely to do.

    5. Covering the uninsured
     The stated goal of Obama’s plan is to get everyone in America covered. It includes a new national plan similar to the one that covers Congress that’s open to all – and the rates will be discounted on a sliding scale to make sure everyone who’s uninsured can enroll.
    McCain’s plan does not set out to cover everyone. Even though many people have to pay higher premiums because of their age, how many kids they have, their health, or where they live -- McCain’s plan gives the same tax credits to everyone regardless to try to go out an buy health care on their own -- $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for a family. Right now, the average cost of a health insurance policy is nearly $4,500 a year for individuals and over $12,000 a year for families – so that’s going to make it tough to afford a plan, especially for people who are older or have larger families or whose health isn’t
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    Also ( I have to look this up) McCain has proposed taxing you on the benefits (insurance) given to you by your companies. Insurance is a benefit, so in addition to your contributions you will be taxed on the amount the company pays.
  • ekwhite · 1 year ago
    1. A windfall profits tax helped to drop gas prices during the energy crisis of the 70's. It also will help pay for investments in alternative energy that will help us in the long term.
    2. He will not raise everyone's taxes - he will only raise taxes for the wealthy few. Currently, the wealthy pay a smaller percentage of their income in taxes than poor and middle class Americans. Obama's tax policies will help to correct that inequity by lowering taxes on lower and middle income Americans while raising taxes on the wealthy.
    3. He will not raise taxes on small businesses. He will raise taxes on multinationals, and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. We currently are paying these companies to send our jobs overseas. This will help our economy by reducing incentives for outsourcing our jobs to totalitarian regimes such as China.
    4. I have not seen any proposals to cut defense spending, other than those incurred by the fruitless occupation of Iraq. If he did, it would not likely jeopardize our national security. The defense department budget is riddled with wasteful spending for unneeded and unwanted weapons systems that do not enhance our national security but do allow lawmakers to brag about bringing home the bacon for their district.
    5. We are the only major industrialized country that does not have socialized healthcare for all. Countries that do have it, such as Japan and Europe, are currently eating our lunch, as the manufacturers in those countries do not have to underwrite the cost of healthcare for their employees. Obama's plan, nonetheless, is certainly anywhere near socialized healthcare. It is a step towards healthcare for all, but it is optional for adults. It also allows Americans to choose lower cost health care plans, and prevents insurance companies from gouging us. It is bad for greedy insurance companies, maybe, but it is good for the American economy overall.

    By the way, I call bullshit on your "voting Democrat all the time." First, you are using nothing but Republican talking points. Second, true Democrats vote "Democratic." The term "Democrat party" is a giveaway for Rethuglican trolls. You are a major fail at trolling.
  • marijo · 1 year ago
    So true
  • primitivenerd · 1 year ago
    Call me an elitist (please!), but: If a bunch of overweight mouth-breathing nazis in sequined cowboy outfits held an Amway sales rally in a megachurch, it would look a lot like the Republican convention last night. What a frightening embarrassment.

    www.primitivenerd.com
  • kiki · 1 year ago
    I watched and listened to Sarah Palin’s speech. I did not hear anything except slams against Obama, his wife, Harry Reid, and the democratic party. Now, I ask you, where was the substance???????????? I, personally, didn’t find her speech as great as the MSM reported. It was flat, without life and without excitement. When she said that McBush still can’t raise his hands above his head, McBush should be glad. Not that I don’t respect what he did, but at least he still has both his legs, arms, hands and face, not like some of our war hero’s coming back from Iran and Afghanistan. They say Obama has no experience, well guess what, he has intelligence. If Obama had his way, because he voted against the war, there wouldn’t be any war. So which would you choose?????????????? Also, Guililani and his drill baby drill for black gold, made me sick. By the way Rudy, if you want to talk about Obama being the elite one, you had better check the price of John McCain’s $500.00 shoes. Give me a break. Their whole convention, so far, lacks substance and intelligence. Their speeches lack the eloquence, heart and spiritual feeling that Obama brings to the country. They seem cold and stuck in a time warp. What really gives me a great laugh and what I really find funny is the fact they are trying to steal Obama’s theme of change. Geesh, these people will do anything and think they can get away with it.
  • marijo · 1 year ago
    By the way Rudy, if you want to talk about Obama being the elite one, you had better check the price of John McCain’s $500.00 shoes.
    Or Cindy McCains $300,000.00 outfit...THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!!! But Obama's the elitist...riiiiight......
  • warbler · 1 year ago
    The White Wing has taken over the party.
  • tomjuarez · 1 year ago
    "This convention has such a creepy, disturbing feel to it. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels creepy."

    I can put my finger on it: they're purposely ignoring the plight their party has put the country into for the last 8 years. It's creepy because it's a convention of sociopaths. No conscience. No empathy. Not a scintilla of humility. Nada.

    Staring that in the face is creepy
  • alaskan · 1 year ago
    Did you notice the body language? Sarah could hardly stand to hug McCain and kind of made a face like "get it over with." Creepy old man. Sarah wore a bulkier lighter-colored top so that she wouldn't look so "super post-partum thin." This time, everyone held the baby except the real mother who was in complete black so we couldn't tell if she was 5 months along or not. Levi was enjoying his gum - or whatever it was.
    I told my daughter that if everyone starting saying that she has alien ears, we could get her to change her hairdo. She said," actually, she sort of does."
  • kiki · 1 year ago
    Tomjuarez
    "This convention has such a creepy, disturbing feel to it. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it just feels creepy."

    I agree with you. Last night when I was watching Sarah, and Rudy, there was some kind of a presence. I can't explain it either, but you are right, it is a creepy, disturbing feeling. Kind of like when you're lost late in the night, alone, miles in the woods, you turn around and there is someone standing behind you.
  • kiki · 1 year ago
    Tomjuarez

    PS. When McBush came out that creepy feeling intensified.
  • barts · 1 year ago
    She gave good oral delivery for Macain.

    I hope he cleans the lipstick smears off before returning to Cindy, that madeup styrofoam prop.

    Aside from that, the party has already been hyjacked by the conservative christian right wing fringe.

    Gays, guns, and God as they beat their chests and chant "U S A" like bulldog hungry linebackers. Bush's legacy lives strong in that party.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    McCain's media tantrum was a farce, he is not upset with the media, he was only setting the stage for deflecting criticism of Palin. Why these pundits are falling all over themselves to praise Palin is beyond me. I have never heard such sarcasm and mocking from anyone, especially an unknown with an unproven track record.

    Reform? Oh, I don't think so. This is the same old Republican tactics only this time delivered by a woman. Let them scream sexist all they want but this woman needs to be given the same in return.
  • jcgraham77 · 1 year ago
    Ok....I will sum up last night for you:
    "Stinky old Republican fart picks pious, IceQueen Moose hunter bitch for VP slot over Stinky Old Republican Jew during Nazi Red Hat Society Amway Convention in honor of Seed spreading/pregnancy inducing teenage wet dream Jock Boy Redneck and B*stard baby momma."
    I think I will make it a t shirt and sell on EBAY!!!!
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago