There was an independent movie back in the 90's, where the director (an asian who had been gay bashed/assaulted) decided to do a cathartic movie on why people do assaults on gays. So he interviewed some felons who were incarcerated for beating or killing gays. The common thread was that they thought society approved of them doing it. They literally thought no one would care and that in fact they might come out of it as a hero.
So who says "words" don't matter. All it takes is for one person to take to heart what some hateful "commentator" has to say and act on it for that commentator to be complicit in the crime. The Limbaughs and O'Reillys and Sarah Palins, with their stalking and preference to strangling abortion doctors and inciting supporters to kill Obama, are just as guilty and are accessories to to the violence. They should be in jail with other sociopathic, antiAmericans.
cowboyneok
· 6 months ago
Those of us on the other side need to be JUST AS VOCAL and call them out each and EVERY time!
woodroad34
· 6 months ago
We just happen to be more civilized when we do it. Keith Olberman last night lit into (as he often does) the bobbling Dittos and the O'Realy?s of the airwaves explaining that he often ends his tirades with 'don't do harm' mitigations. Something those fetid asshats don't seem to grasp. They think stirring the pot and then letting the horses out (to mix a metaphor) is fun and exciting -- it's the equivalent of the oft-mentioned yelling "fire". It's not free speech. There are limits; the hideously deformed and jiggly fat republicans just want limits on everyone else, which puts them in the degenerate, if-it-feels good category. They are the Dark Hippies of the Sith (Berkely Breathed's Opus did a take on that meme in the 80's with a bunch of preppies taking over a dean's office and demanding civil rights for wall streeters--instead of doing pot, they drank bear; their headbands were Brooks Brothers ties, etc.)
caphillprof
· 6 months ago
DC is filled with security guards. They are everywhere. Government buildings, court houses, banks, private office builldings, museums. Even the police headquarters has private security guards. It's one of the top blue collar jobs in what is mostly a white collar town. A hundred thousand or so are going to work today a bit more warily.
Our hate industry is big business and, at least for the right, a form of politics. The government is regulating nothing. But extremists on the right can effect change through violence. A murder in Kansas shuts down an abortion clinic. You can't get more change than that.
1970cs
· 6 months ago
So far in my lifetime the hate industry has produced the Red Menace and the threat of nuclear destruction, then there was the war on drugs that was going to kill us all, then came the greatest threat to our well being, Saddam who we could not live another day with waiting for the 'mushroom cloud'. So now we come to right wing extremists, which is masking the frustration of the economy being shifted overseas and the powerless feeling of the masses not of the financial oligarchy. The hate has to be directed somewhere, anywhere but where it should be.
Indigo
· 6 months ago
In the 19th century (1800-1899), there were dangerous red Indians west of the Mississippi, unwelcome immigrants from Ireland and Italy and Eastern Europe and, yes, China who took jobs away from decent Americans and danger from the Spanish who plotted to seize the decently Protestant Christian state of Texas and even overthrow the United States growing authority in Latin America. Our history is set on replay; a scifi author could make much of that if only they weren't preoccupied with vampires and elven volk.
LuZenMyMnd
· 6 months ago
And they do all this crazy stuff in the name of God. My step father who grew up in B'ham said when the KKK would burn crosses in the yards, they'd sing, "Onward Christian Soldiers." I have to laugh behind that. It's the Same thing GWB did when he marched into Iraq w/his "crusade." And we call THEM terrorist! lol Then get indignant when we're called out.
Rachel Maddow said the other shoe is going to drop tomorrow w/more CIA documents (etc.) Guess Rev. Wright was right in one sense. Chickens do come home to roost. All of a sudden it seems America's bed covers are being pulled off.
I'm grateful Barack Hussein Obama is at the helm to steady the ship. The ignoramuses didn't know that while he was on his "apology tour" he was already softening hearts. At least NOW when all this stuff becomes transparent (and it WILL), it will be good that we had an "apology" and demonstrated humiliation at the BEGINNING rather than attempting to play catch up when the garbage starts stinking.
1970cs
· 6 months ago
My grandparents were the dirty drunken Irish that lived in the Mission Hill Irish ghetto in Boston, they were going to ruin the nation back then.
LuZenMyMnd
· 6 months ago
LOL....we all have a family member w/a past. My step father was one of the militant black panther spin-offs LOL
Then for another period of time we were ALL eating bean pies, including my scottish and Native American grandmother.
But, I am soooo grateful for my fairer-skinned "cousins" who've stood in the gap and are still standing to make a difference. I'm in my 50's and when I look how far we've come from just the '60's to now---it's mind-blowing. But we've still got a long way to go.
munjoyfan
· 6 months ago
When and where will we see the list of who has received how much from the insurance industry? Doors are being opened and closed right now on options for health care, and the AMA (which does not represent all doctors--where are the stats on that?) is using the same arguments they used against Medicare forty years ago. It's really really important for each of us to write our senators and congresspeople with stories, facts they can use. Olympia Snowe has moved 1 cent off the dime in the last two days, now supporting a public option for those who can't afford private insurance. Whatever that means. I don't know whether she has been heavily lobbied, or is just trying to do the right thing. But she is all by herself, once again, and needs some support. Unless we the people mount an unstoppable momentum as individuals, and stop relying on organized groups, we will lose this golden opportunity. The AMA is actually saying that a public option would put too many private insurers out of business (meaning they would lower the cost of premiums too much!) and overwhelm the health care system (too many people would be able to access health care!). We need to neutralize these people. I'm writing another letter today, this time to the state affiliate of the AMA.
LuZenMyMnd
· 6 months ago
I'd like to see the list as well. I want to see how closely Evan Bayh-D, Ind is tied to the industry. He's the president of the blue dog dems and seems to want to obstruct Obama on every hand. He's attempting to make a name for himself because he's always been seen as boring. And,he didn't get the opportunity to be HRC's VP.
Õ¿Õ
· 6 months ago
The wingnuts didn't make a peep about the 'govmint' when Botch was shredding the Constitution. Now they've gone wild on a mudering spree. Now they're going to get the 'govmint' in their lives because of what they voted for and unfortunately, it weakens all our freedoms. There is nothing dumber than a wingnut. They've really wrecked this country and then they're so stupid, they shriek with long faces "how the country has changed." Nothing works with such abject stupidity.
Dave of the Jungle
· 6 months ago
Relentless amped-out rhetoric eventually has its effects, it seems.
When a company goes bankrupt, everyone takes a hit: fair or not, workers lose some contract wages, stockholders get wiped out and creditors get fragments of what's left. That's the law. What workers don't lose are their pensions (including old-age health funds) already taken from their wages and held in their name.
But not this time. Stevie the Rat has a different plan for GM: grab the pension funds to pay off Morgan and Citi.
Here's the scheme: Rattner is demanding the bankruptcy court simply wipe away the money GM owes workers for their retirement health insurance. Cash in the insurance fund would be replaced by GM stock. The percentage may be 17% of GM's stock - or 25%. Whatever, 17% or 25% is worth, well ... just try paying for your dialysis with 50 shares of bankrupt auto stock.
Yet Citibank and Morgan, says Rattner, should get their whole enchilada - $6 billion right now and in cash - from a company that can't pay for auto parts or worker eye exams.
So what's wrong with seizing workers' pension fund money in a bankruptcy? The answer, Mr. Obama, Mr. Law Professor, is that it's illegal.
Father_Time
· 6 months ago
"What workers don't lose are their pensions (including old-age health funds) already taken from their wages and held in their name"-
Ask the former Eastern Airlines employees where their pensions are! Remember the eighties "hostile take-over" craz? Destroying workers wealth and retirement prosperity then sticking the proceeds into the pockets of the rich was the entire reasoning behind it all. Thank you Frank Lorenzo,Carl Icahn, and Ronald Reagan!
As well, venture capital is largely funded by PENSION FUNDS. "Stuck Away"...no way buddy, its at risk! HA, you think capitalists are going to keep their hands off of free and easy money to make themselves more money off of? American capitalism is just a house of cards of way over inflated underlying value.
Father_Time
· 6 months ago
Some people just glorify war. This is probably true in America more than anywhere else. Maybe it’s a direct effect of all those war movies of the 50's and 60's upon those whom never actually went to war. War or combat is perceived as the ultimate challenge or competition. Many people identify themselves with movie actor characters especially the really silly ones like Rambo, which are nothing more than cartoon characterizations. Its a false reality for very small minded people.
However we liberals are on the right path. Understanding, open-mindedness, caring for the mental health of and social inclusion of those whom become isolated or think they are isolated from mainstream society.
As well, I think we need to break the cycle of people creating a self worth persona based on their military service. IMO we can go a long way in achieving this by creating social and income opportunities and by toning down the BS Rambo rhetoric in our military recruiting and in our entertainment industry. Not to mention taking human psychology more seriously at an early age by our schools, health professionals, and, our various government bodies in general.
Create Social Intevention Programs for the mental health betterment of those afflicted by the social disease commonly known as “right wing-nutism”.
Jake
· 6 months ago
Wow! What a bunch of "human" manure.
SCLiberal
· 6 months ago
"Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said Wednesday that he is "frankly not terribly interested" in what the major health care reform coalition thinks and is pushing ahead with a proposal the group rejects.
"I am unaware that HCAN has any votes on the floor of the United States Senate," said Conrad when told that the coalition Health Care for America Now opposed his plan to create regional health care co-ops instead of allowing consumers to have access to a public plan option. " story here
This is the first I've heard of a plan by anyone to create health care co-ops. I like it. And Conrad sounds like a typical, arrogant Republican. Too bad he carries the Democrat label.
Crumbs
· 6 months ago
"The Southern Poverty Law Center and Anti-Defamation League, among others, monitor these creeps"-
Not really. They only monitor the ones whom are vocal and overt. Poke around at a Gun Show and see just how large the wacko population really is!
Go ahead, I dare ya. Just consider it war correspondence work.
I'm having my liberal-leaning iced latte and sort of having Deja Vu all over again about the social climate in America as seen through a wiggly, funhouse mirror. Having grown up in the 50's and 60's, coming out of a 2-term Republican Presidency (a presidency that allowed it's corrupt VP to be it's spokesperson, btw) going into a charismatic, youthful Democratic Presidency, civil rights violations (police beating gays, blacks), extreme right vigilante groups killing people (Edgar Mevers, Martin Luther King) and the decline of McCarthyism.
The only difference is that one republican president was a war hero and the other a coward; one presided over peace and relative good economic times and the other presided over two wars and one of the worst economic disasters; one instituted major civil rights reforms and the other shredded the constitution and finally the rise of Limbaughism. Kennedy's administration was a fierce advocate of civil rights -- Obama, meh, not so much.
Given the recent rightwing terrorism, however, I fear for Obama in his 3rd year. /end caffeine-induced rambling/
LuZenMyMnd
· 6 months ago
We'll have to keep him and his family in our prayers. I do every day. There's nuts galore out here.
cowboyneok
· 6 months ago
I also think media types who try to play both sides, like Chris Matthews, are part of the problem. They have guests on their shows and try to make nice and agree with EVERYONE and they cause just as much damage as those people who are blatantly feeding hate. These people need to be called out.
Even when it comes to say the "GM and Chrysler boycott" by the far extremist right to hurt American, and therefore hurt Obama's legacy or attempts to help. We can't afford to continue to support media types who end up agreeing with both sides. There is a RIGHT AND WRONG side, and they need to be called out instead of criticized by the media type and then have the opportunist media person tell them they AGREE with their points. I saw Matthews do this with a hateful radio talk jock in Las Vegas. He appropriately criticized her but right when he was ending the segment he told her he AGREED with her so he could play both sides of the issue. That crap has got to stop.
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So who says "words" don't matter. All it takes is for one person to take to heart what some hateful "commentator" has to say and act on it for that commentator to be complicit in the crime. The Limbaughs and O'Reillys and Sarah Palins, with their stalking and preference to strangling abortion doctors and inciting supporters to kill Obama, are just as guilty and are accessories to to the violence. They should be in jail with other sociopathic, antiAmericans.
Our hate industry is big business and, at least for the right, a form of politics. The government is regulating nothing. But extremists on the right can effect change through violence. A murder in Kansas shuts down an abortion clinic. You can't get more change than that.
Rachel Maddow said the other shoe is going to drop tomorrow w/more CIA documents (etc.) Guess Rev. Wright was right in one sense. Chickens do come home to roost. All of a sudden it seems America's bed covers are being pulled off.
I'm grateful Barack Hussein Obama is at the helm to steady the ship. The ignoramuses didn't know that while he was on his "apology tour" he was already softening hearts. At least NOW when all this stuff becomes transparent (and it WILL), it will be good that we had an "apology" and demonstrated humiliation at the BEGINNING rather than attempting to play catch up when the garbage starts stinking.
Then for another period of time we were ALL eating bean pies, including my scottish and Native American grandmother.
But, I am soooo grateful for my fairer-skinned "cousins" who've stood in the gap and are still standing to make a difference. I'm in my 50's and when I look how far we've come from just the '60's to now---it's mind-blowing. But we've still got a long way to go.
It's really really important for each of us to write our senators and congresspeople with stories, facts they can use.
Olympia Snowe has moved 1 cent off the dime in the last two days, now supporting a public option for those who can't afford private insurance. Whatever that means. I don't know whether she has been heavily lobbied, or is just trying to do the right thing. But she is all by herself, once again, and needs some support. Unless we the people mount an unstoppable momentum as individuals, and stop relying on organized groups, we will lose this golden opportunity. The AMA is actually saying that a public option would put too many private insurers out of business (meaning they would lower the cost of premiums too much!) and overwhelm the health care system (too many people would be able to access health care!). We need to neutralize these people. I'm writing another letter today, this time to the state affiliate of the AMA.
When a company goes bankrupt, everyone takes a hit: fair or not, workers lose some contract wages, stockholders get wiped out and creditors get fragments of what's left. That's the law. What workers don't lose are their pensions (including old-age health funds) already taken from their wages and held in their name.
But not this time. Stevie the Rat has a different plan for GM: grab the pension funds to pay off Morgan and Citi.
Here's the scheme: Rattner is demanding the bankruptcy court simply wipe away the money GM owes workers for their retirement health insurance. Cash in the insurance fund would be replaced by GM stock. The percentage may be 17% of GM's stock - or 25%. Whatever, 17% or 25% is worth, well ... just try paying for your dialysis with 50 shares of bankrupt auto stock.
Yet Citibank and Morgan, says Rattner, should get their whole enchilada - $6 billion right now and in cash - from a company that can't pay for auto parts or worker eye exams.
So what's wrong with seizing workers' pension fund money in a bankruptcy? The answer, Mr. Obama, Mr. Law Professor, is that it's illegal.
Ask the former Eastern Airlines employees where their pensions are! Remember the eighties "hostile take-over" craz? Destroying workers wealth and retirement prosperity then sticking the proceeds into the pockets of the rich was the entire reasoning behind it all. Thank you Frank Lorenzo,Carl Icahn, and Ronald Reagan!
As well, venture capital is largely funded by PENSION FUNDS. "Stuck Away"...no way buddy, its at risk! HA, you think capitalists are going to keep their hands off of free and easy money to make themselves more money off of? American capitalism is just a house of cards of way over inflated underlying value.
However we liberals are on the right path. Understanding, open-mindedness, caring for the mental health of and social inclusion of those whom become isolated or think they are isolated from mainstream society.
As well, I think we need to break the cycle of people creating a self worth persona based on their military service. IMO we can go a long way in achieving this by creating social and income opportunities and by toning down the BS Rambo rhetoric in our military recruiting and in our entertainment industry. Not to mention taking human psychology more seriously at an early age by our schools, health professionals, and, our various government bodies in general.
Create Social Intevention Programs for the mental health betterment of those afflicted by the social disease commonly known as “right wing-nutism”.
"I am unaware that HCAN has any votes on the floor of the United States Senate," said Conrad when told that the coalition Health Care for America Now opposed his plan to create regional health care co-ops instead of allowing consumers to have access to a public plan option. "
story here
This is the first I've heard of a plan by anyone to create health care co-ops. I like it. And Conrad sounds like a typical, arrogant Republican. Too bad he carries the Democrat label.
Not really. They only monitor the ones whom are vocal and overt. Poke around at a Gun Show and see just how large the wacko population really is!
Go ahead, I dare ya. Just consider it war correspondence work.
Your last paragraph was great.
I'll cut and paste it everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7iY5uarA8&eurl...
and rupert murdoch is a foreign terrorist
The only difference is that one republican president was a war hero and the other a coward; one presided over peace and relative good economic times and the other presided over two wars and one of the worst economic disasters; one instituted major civil rights reforms and the other shredded the constitution and finally the rise of Limbaughism. Kennedy's administration was a fierce advocate of civil rights -- Obama, meh, not so much.
Given the recent rightwing terrorism, however, I fear for Obama in his 3rd year. /end caffeine-induced rambling/
Even when it comes to say the "GM and Chrysler boycott" by the far extremist right to hurt American, and therefore hurt Obama's legacy or attempts to help. We can't afford to continue to support media types who end up agreeing with both sides. There is a RIGHT AND WRONG side, and they need to be called out instead of criticized by the media type and then have the opportunist media person tell them they AGREE with their points. I saw Matthews do this with a hateful radio talk jock in Las Vegas. He appropriately criticized her but right when he was ending the segment he told her he AGREED with her so he could play both sides of the issue. That crap has got to stop.