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I called a couple last week and let them have it.
Think i'll call again this week, to gloat: Prop 8 is likely to be declared unconstitutional:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/5/125155/...
How about a day of action against eBay?
Teach Meg Whitman a thing or two.
I book the hotel rooms and meeting rooms for small conferences.
I choose the hotels we stay at during the conferences.
Beginning today...I'm zapping Marriott from the (my) list of preferred hotels.
Start a movement and ask the church of LDS to join in your fighting of the continuing moral decay of the country by stopping all activity on the Sabbath. After all, that is actually one of the commandments that they want everyone to follow.
Remember, while you are relaxing & watching an event, someone that is participating in the event is breaking a commandment,. This must be stopped.
It is time for gay Hollywood to say thanks but no thanks to Utah. Move the festival to Colorado instead.
:)
The fight is among your neighbors and he Mormon church just interfered and trust me they will again and again . Build alliances, coalitions and partnerships. Win in the marketplace of ideas and help create a better State.
http://www.famousmormons.net/bus.html
You can add JetBlue, NuSkin, and a bunch of other companies to your list
Bill Marriot has a blog where you can leave comments.
I am sick and tired of these un-American un-Christian revisionists of history corrupting the Constitution the way they corrupt the Bible in order to foster and grow legions of intolerant and hateful people who do their dirty work in the name of their version of God. Using the same arguments today to discriminate against Gays as they have done time and time again to Women Blacks, Native Americans and anyone else of color.
SO Lets get started. YES! Boycott the state! Yes! Slam the door on their followers when they knock. Yes! Dry up their coffers! Yes! Yes! YES WE CAN!
I'm game
Let the boycotts begin!
Ted Stevens wins the senate seat in Alaska. The senate kicks him out. A special election is held in Alaska whereby Mrs. Palin takes the republican side, wins, and becomes a Senator for Alaska.
Is this possible? Would it benefit her for 2012 to have national and governor experience? Would it give her more clout?
I am glad that Grey's Anatomy removed a gay character in that show... now gays have something to fight that might possibly win. Oh is GLAAD already busy organizing about it?
Morality tut-tutting from people who dump excess young men with barely the clothes on their backs onto highways like litter to accommodate the continued polygamy of a few dominant males...Strange, considering such rigid primitive behavior would normally have a heavy homosexual initiation aspect that would have disallowed the dumping of excess sons...
I was a Mormon for about 15 years before I left the church where, as I moved up the leadership ladder, I discovered their IMMENSE hypocrisy and institutionalized cruelty.
as an aside, fastest way to get ride of a Mormon is just look at them and say "Pay Lay Ale". It's from the Temple ceremony. They'll run fast and they'll run far.
For more on the mormon idiocy check out http://www.exmormon.org
There's a bit more to it than that but that'll get you going.
Nothing worse for Mormons than revealing what goes on in the Temple. And though I grew to dislike the Church intensely, they pretty much kept to themselves except for proselytizing. For me, they have now gone WAY over the line so I have no problem fighting back in this, or any other, way.
The Yes on prop 8 people made it sound like gays were going to force churches to perform gay marriages and were forcing it on their children.
I like the idea of having 2 ceremonies, one for governmental purposes and the a marriage performed at ones church if that is what they want.
And just to further piss them off. I'm pimping myself out.
https://post.craigslist.org/manage/907037790/6fjyb
Boycott the Morons.
Utah is one beautiful State!
If so, news to me.....
The reason to boycott the Utah State Parks is... the the parks are owned by the state of Utah, which is owned by the moron church, simply by the majority of the state people are lds. The church starts being hurt by people's income going down, means that their 'tithing' goes down.
The lds church is like a bill collecter, if you are late in your tithing they will 'remind' you....like a bill collector.
HeHeHe. I realized reading these comments and those on other sites that the Christian right Republican water bearers have, to use an historical reference, "awakened a sleeping giant." Its a new day.
There are a whole lot of deeply pissed off Gays, Liberals, Progressives and just plain common sense Americans out there, Patriots All, that today have gotten their BRAVE on and are not going to take the crap that these jack booted thugs have been dishing out these past eight years. Change? Oh, you ain't seen nuthin yet!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Interna...
I will be boycotting Marriott.
The problem people had with the Mormons was that every place they went, they tried this shit. They tried to establish a Mormon theocracy. People didn't like that.
Also, Joseph Smith never met a woman he didn't want to fuck -- his own wives, other Mormons' wives (hence the secret Temple ceremonies, which started out as orgies) and the wives of local townfolk. That had people reaching for the Winchesters.
A. As CEO'd by Mitt Romney, there's Fuji Film, Staples, and Sports Authority. Here in Florida there's also the urbanist development known as Harmony, the Deseret Ranch, and the Publix grocery chain.
one of the reasons we did not choose USU for my husband's graduate degree was they made you promise not to imbibe caffiene.
he said "I have just a few vices, leave me my caffiene"
don't let CA get off scott free
It was SOME of the voters of CA that voted for this. In my county this initiative was rejected easily, though I am ashamed to know I live among the 33.9% who supported this disgusting thing:
PROP 8 - Eliminate Right
of Same-Sex Couples
Completed Precincts: 453 of 453
Vote Count Percentage
Yes 65,898 33.9%
No 128,466 66.1%
http://www.sonoma-county.org/regvoter/elections...
It wasn't just "some of the voters" .. not everyone in Colorado supported a discrimatory practice, didn't matter, .. the whole state was targetted - it's the only way it works ...
The big fundie church up the street from me was a big Prop Hate supporter. I used to work in family court and can't tell you how many restraining orders mentioned that church. Some of the abuse happened in the parking lot and even one in the church during services. Others involved married people who met someone else at church and was fooling around.
These people are truly whacked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companies...
1-800-contacts, overstock. com, TCBY, etc...
Remember what progressives in the music business did re: Sun City South Africa?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWENNe29qc
that should be happening here, in this instance
Statewide results:
08 - Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry
YES: 5,358,816 52.5%
NO: 4,866,840 47.5%
http://vote.ss.ca.gov/props/index.html
well gee the boycott punished everyone in CO... including people who did not support the discriminatory practice. also if you support the boycott of Mormon owned businesses are you under some illusion that people who support gay rights, who work for these companies are not going to be hurt?
Do you understand the full costs of a boycott?
I am just so frustrated by this hateful thing passing in my state.
CA is a different story, loss of buisness all over the state ,even from the GLBST community inside the state (moving conventions outside the state for example) will have an impact .. plus interestingly enough
What do CA and FL have incommon beside a
hateful vote yesterday and oranges?
Disney
And isn't that part of the purpose? Perhaps a boycott on Utah will spurn the good citizens of Utah to reign in the Mormon Church and its illegal political activities. They have the power to remove its power.
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon410.htm
The "list of famous Mormons" only lists mostly CEO's of companies. Does that mean the company is Mormon owned? I would like someone to make a comprehensive list of boycotts that make sense. What is the Marriott connection?
Bonneville International is directly owned by the church; it's one of the few companies I've heard of that is a church property.
when one goes to their website and see one of the founders is from SLC and had 8, yes 8 children that tells you he's one of the conservative type mormon.
I threw out that company's products...
And I let them know.
Here's info from wikipedia:
The Generations Network is an Internet company based in Provo, Utah and the largest for-profit genealogy company in the world. They run a growing network of genealogy and family-related websites, listed below.
Ancestry.com, Infobases.com, Family Tree Maker(geneology software) Genealogy.com LongLostPeople.com MyFamily.com RootsWeb.com
http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_10907306
Mormons want to make nice now ... and they support "separate but equal" ... kind of, maybe, if . . . .
this is the phrase we should have capitalized on:
"The LDS Church's campaign to pass Proposition 8 was its most vigorous since the 1970s, when it joined the effort to defeat the Equal Rights Amendment. "
All marriages that take place in Mormon churches are considered domestic partnerships. Couples who want additional rights similar to those of traditional (i.e. non-Mormon) marriages are welcome to create the necessary contracts.
They are our main competitors along with Hilton and Hyatt.
I'd go with two approaches, the first being boycotts of some visible, vulnerable targets.
I think, though, that the supplements industry is another avenue to pursue. We could push the new Democratic Congress to tighten regulation of the industry, which I consider to be harmful in several ways: expensive supplements that have no effect waste people's money and entice some people away from effective treatments; poor regulation of the industry leads to poor quality control and contents that don't match the label; the multi-level-marketing approach heavily favored by the Utah (i.e. Mormon) supplements companies is inherently unethical; and distributors frequently promote products with unproven claims.
I know that many readers may have favored herbal supplements/treatments. My aim wouldn't be to clear nonprescription items off the shelves. I think the approach would be to attack multi-level-marketing of supplements and to make producers more responsible for the claims of their distributors.
In 1989, my life partner and over 5,000 other Americans were poisoned by contaminated L-tryptophan labeled "natural" and produced in Japan by genetically altered bacteria. Since supplements lie in a middle area, neither food nor drug, this outrage was allowed to happen and can--nay WILL happen again, likely soon, considering all our uninspected imports from China.
Joe has suffered for 19 years from Eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS), the disease caused by the tainted LT, which produces severe, painful cramps and tremors throughout the body and a multitude of other symptoms.
But why would the Mormons care if their products cause untold suffering. They are followers of Jesus.
Marriage is not the real issue with any of these people and outfits; Gay is their problem. God forbid we should be happy!
Any ideas on how to organize? I'm reaching out to some area planners to start the process locally.
This ban on gay marriage will ultimately not hold up over time. When Obama places new members on the Supreme Court, I can promise you that such nonsense will be struck down - probably within ten years or less.
We will absolutely have FULL FEDERAL MARRIAGE BENEFITS for civil unions within ten years or so.
I believe all states should henceforth be prohibited from issuing marriage licenses. States should be restricted to issuing civil union licenses to any couples who wish to take one out, regardless of gender or racial, bla bla bla composition. If the couple choses to marry, they can do so in the church, temple, coven, synagogue or other place of worship in which they chose to do so.
If marriage is to be defined by religious groups, by gum religious groups should own it.
Enough of this silly nonsense.
That's where the vulnerability lays.
That said, boycotting an entire state makes sense if the leadership and the voters come out strong for the discriminatory measure.
Time to pay up, churchie
Keep the pressure on them to count all the provisional and absentee ballots (rumored to be up to 3 or 4 million!) !
Roughly 400,000 votes separate yes from no on Prop 8 – out of 10 million votes tallied.
Based on turnout estimates reported yesterday, we expect that there are more than 3 million and possibly as many as 4 million absentee and provisional ballots yet to be counted.
Tell them that you want ALL the proposition 8 votes counted!
Call today!
CA secretary of state:
(916) 657-2166,
or you can lodge a recorded complaint by calling 1-800-345-VOTE
http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/
This issue needs to be pursued at length. As I told the Prop 8 people, both by phone and e.mail, they were going to lose this thing. They did not seem to have a clue as to what they were doing and it smelled of complete amateurism.
MOVE HERE!
40% of us would love and support you and we could continue giving hell to the puritans of this state who still think it is the dark ages. plus it is pretty and clean here. and still cheap as hell.
Over the past 15 years or so we’ve had a population explosion from places like California and Washington because Utah it’s a nice place to live. Now the roads are crowded, housing prices have gone through the roof (even in this economy), and outdoor activities suck because of so many people.
I long for the days of having hiking trails in Zion’s and Arches to myself.
Please tell all your friends to say away so people like me can enjoy this great state once again.
I've heard that Pepsi is practically owned by Mormons. No big sweat there...I'm a Coke fan, myself.
Best y'all
AllesK
I'm all for the boycott; in fact, I'll lead it from within the state.
Go ahead and protest against Utah if you want. But I guarantee that for every one of you that says you won't go to Utah it opens opportunities for others like me and my family who now will.
I'm all for targeted boycotts Re: Prop 8, and I think Utah should be one of the targets. Gay people and our supporters need to better tap the power of our dollars to show there is a price to be paid for such hateful actions. But I think the boycott needs to have other related visible actions--like showing up en masse to encircle the mother church in Salt Lake City--especially if we can devise ways to do it while putting as little as possible into the local economy--and making that part of the publicity.
The other challenge is how to put pressure--and apply some shame--to the Black churches in California that were the other chief culprits in passing Prop 8. Any ideas there?
Dave
We must, as we move forward, learn to use "full court press" methods. Boycots are partially effective for specific issues. We must take a lesson from this very crafty Church and learn to consolidate our power and money. We are fighting for our rights as human beings.
They are shocked and surprised that people are angry at the church's meddling as a body politic. And they obviously feel that it was the Church that spoke, not its members.
Don´t buy that we would punish people who believe otherwise, as they say "if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem". If the people of Utah will tolerate their tax dollars to finance hate attacks in other states, they deserve everything. The people of Utah have the solution in their hands, move the Mormons out!
As mentioned elsewhere, mormons are driven more by fear, not hate. They fear that somehow permitting what they view as against scripture (homosexuality) to obtain an union (marriage) which is equal in status to their own will somehow diminish the value or credibility of their own marriages - not on an individual level, but in terms of the greater perception. That's an important point, because the sanctity and permanent continuation of marriages and families is a big selling point for the Mormons when they're out recruiting people.
Your post overall indicates a complete lack of understanding of the fundamentals involved, and and unwillingness to use reason objectively. You fall back on the same 'us vs. them' mentality used to convince California voters to pass prop 8 in the first place. Your proposed solutions are nothing but useless, fruitless, and uncoordinated retribution.
You also don't understand the Mormon motivation: It's not hate, it's fear. They are afraid Gay Marriage will defile their sacred institution. I don't agree, but you won't change their minds by fighting their fear with hate.
My simple research shows the funding was fair, at least it was equal see: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-moneymap,0.... Also, out of state funding was about equal. Are you sure your attacks on Utah and Mormons are fair? Does funding really change peoples votes? Your argument begs the question that if the no on 8 campaign could have just raised more money than they would have won. Or on the other hand if the yes on 8 campaign had less money they would have lost. Is this true? It also makes Californians look stupid, like whoever can whisper in their ear the most will get their vote. If you really want to change things you must work on what people believe not promote hate and discrimination yourself. To me it looks like 52% of Californians think that marriage should be defined as only between one man and one woman.
In your logic, you assume that putting pressure on Mormon owned or linked businesses will in turn pressure the church to change it's stance. The fundamental fact that you are missing is that decisions flow from the top of the church down, and not the other way around. By in large, Mormons will do whatever the president of the church, his councellors, and other high officers tell them to do - in that order. I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about church doctrine, I'm just telling you what I, a non-Mormon living in Utah for the last 7 years, have observed.
If the president of the church gets up at the bi-annual conference and says "We should wear blue shirts", blue shirt sales in Utah immediately would go through the roof. In my experience, you cannot harass, lobby, or berate Mormon owned or run businesses and expect a change from the church. If you picket outside of a Marriott hotel and demand that they wear red shirts instead of blue, then you'll get nowhere. If you talk to J.W. Marriott Jr. himself, and as an act of social disobedience, stuff his limo to the roof with red shirts, nothing will happen with the church, because when it comes to religious matters, Mr. Marriott takes his direction FROM the church, and does not give it.
Secondly, there is a fundamental flaw in assuming that boycotting the tourist spots and ski destinations will effect some kind of damage to the church. This is soundly wrong, purely on the basis of demographics. Most of the people who own, develop, run and staff the ski resorts are non-Mormons. The biggest financial impact of a boycott will be those few people in this state that are most likely to agree that prop 8 is a bad deal. There is a reason Park City is considered an island of sanity in a sea of 1950's era conservatism.
Lastly, and this is just my opinion, this looks an awful lot like the same misplaced fear and resentment that leads people to vote for prop 8, just turned the other way around. Either there has been a gross misjudgment in effect of such an action, or the the intent is nothing more than indiscriminant retribution and hate mongering. I suggest everyone considering partaking in this boycott examine their motives, because if it's the latter, then you're not any better of a person than someone who voted for prop 8.
On the other hand, if y'all stay home, that leaves Honeycomb Canyon all the more empty for me.
Most importantly, you're stereotyping an entire state. When my high school (in UTAH) conducted a survey my senior year about who was for or against gay marriage, do you know what the outcome was? Over 80% voted in favor of the measure. By now, all those kids are of voting age. This is so hypocritical it baffles the mind. And, hello, California is the one who voted the measure down, not Utah. Who the fuck cares who funded the measure? Stop pointing fingers at Utah for California's mistake. Be pissed at your own closed minded people, and stop trying to hurt the uninvolved.
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/158670?m=3124ef...
If you want to punish those you feel are responsible, find vocal supporters of Prop 8, from within the church and boycott their businesses, of course this would also cause job loss for innocent people in the scandal.
Innocent people's quality are not sacrifices that should be made in order to make an inane protest, that won't do that much anyway, work.
If you want to bring about change, raise money and bring the measure to the ballot again. Try and change minds the gold old fashioned way, through talking and spending copious amounts of cash. Maybe even as much as the proponents of the measure are spending.