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AMERICAblog: Tuesday Morning Open Thread

  • grandma · 10 months ago
    good morning...

    15 below zero in the twin cities this morning....

    Why does Bush even bother giving a farewell address......no one believes anything he says anyway....
    .I thought he looked drunk during his press conference yesterday..
  • red_dwarf · 10 months ago
    Well grandma its like this. About 25% of the population (rabid rePiglicans) like the dunce. Look at it this way, it'll keep 'em off the streets for a half hour. Sounds like typical twin city weather. It's going to drop to 19 here in the south in a few days.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 10 months ago
    Should be a high of 70 here in Arizona, today.

    Arf.
  • grandma · 10 months ago
    Eugene Robinson:

    What we know so far isn't enough. I understand Obama's reluctance to conduct criminal investigations of the Bush years -- and I realize that Bush might well pardon everybody in advance anyway. But it's important to convene an investigation and learn the truth, all of it, so that no president is tempted to take such liberties again. History, both short-term and long-term, will be grateful.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
  • red_dwarf · 10 months ago
    I equate investigation with horse manure. Never happen. Horse and pony show. Americans can't deal with the truth - that's already been proven.
  • Lolis · 10 months ago
    I think you are right. I was at a holiday party and someone said she did not think Abu Graib was torture. I started to think about a jury trial and if you could find 12 Americans who would care about Muslims being tortured, and sadly, I have concluded that you couldn't.
  • beware of the leopard · 10 months ago
    How can we call ourselves the United States of America if we turn our backs on Justice? Have we as Americans and human beings learned nothing from the Trials at Nuremburg? I feel sick to my stomach whenever I realise our leaders are--ALL OF THEM--cowards of the highest order. Mr. Obama is showing himself to be a morally corrupt man who clearly is only concerned with maintaining the status quo, lest he lose out on his share of the pie which we citizens made. Hannah Arendt was correct. The actions of our government and "leadership" are clearly illustrative of the banality of evil which has come to signify our downfall as a Constitutional, pluralistic, democratic Republic. I am no longer an American. I am a war criminal and a torturer. The blood runs from my hands in rivers, emptying out onto the bodies of those who lost their lives to our criminal nation. We punish murders and rapists, but the men and women who are responible for these atrocities--both those who gave the orders and those who carried them out--are poised to leave government not only unpunished for their crimes, but with a pensoin paid for with our taxes. Let us recall that Nuremburg made no distinction between those who gave the orders and those who carried them out. Full-on prosecution, trial, and punishment are the only way we as a nation can cleanse ourselves of this stain on our Republic. If we do not do this, we may as well burn the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, for we have forfeited the right to be called a moral nation. We have become the very type of nation we rebelled against. RIP, my beloved country.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 10 months ago
    George is psychologically abnormal. Don't expect too much.
  • Bush Bites · 10 months ago
    "As far as I know, it's not true. I have not clashed with Obama's advisors."

    According the the report, Dean noted that he did clash with one of Obama's advisors but it occurred before the person became an advisor to Obama. He also said it would be very hard to change a trip to American Samoa for a press conference.

    "You know, people like to say those kinds of things just to stir things up," Dean said. "I'm not interested in stirring things up. We have a lot of important problems in front of us and we need to deal with that...not gossip and the internet."

    Gov. Dean also said that he didn't know if he was invited to the news conference because he was on his way to American Samoa when it happened.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/12/23455/5...
  • Bush Bites · 10 months ago
    Democrats act like a majority.

    Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, was sending a message with his decision to schedule the vote on Sunday. Democrats have been frustrated by Mr. Coburn’s determination to hold up so many bills and the Sunday vote was intended to let Republicans know that Democrats are no longer going to go along easily. They hope Mr. Coburn’s colleagues put pressure on him to relent, though Mr. Coburn is not the sort of lawmaker to respond to that kind of pressure.

    A dozen Republicans did vote for the measure, which irritated Senator Jim DeMint, Republican of South Carolina, one of Mr. Coburn’s chief allies.

    “If my colleagues on my side continue to accept this, there’s going to be no such thing as a Republican Party,” he said.


    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/o...
  • grandma · 10 months ago
    David Gergen last nite on CNN:

    I said on the air the other night here on this program that I thought maybe that people would have some sense of warmth about George Bush as he leaves office, as we traditionally do about departing presidents. I think I was wrong.

    The responses on your Web site and elsewhere are very hostile. I must say I am revising my thinking about this. I don't think we have had a time since Richard Nixon left office -- -- a quarter-of-a-century ago when people were so relieved to see the end of a presidency and to welcome in a new president.

    Ed Rollins:
    This is a president who thought he was going to be historic. He thought he was going to do better than his father. He wasn't going to make the mistakes of his father. He was going to be more like Reagan.

    And he has failed as miserably as any president in modern times, certainly. And I think that, as David -- David just said, there's no good feelings. Even Republicans: Please, leave the stage and go home. Let us -- let us try and rebuild our -- our resources.

    And the idea that you can stand in a press conference, when the American public watched a major urban city collapse, crumble, people displaced, and be ashamed of it, and say, we did everything we could, I didn't land the helicopter because it would have taken police away, it was just -- just an absurd statement.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/...
  • Milli · 10 months ago
    Oh he can't possible top the performance he gave in yesterdays press conference. What a bitter, mean, and utterly clueless human being he is. I can't believe this country isn't literally in ashes after 8 years of this guy.
  • Bush Bites · 10 months ago
    Our post election poll data shows that Democrats down the ballot left a good number of younger votes on the table as 20 percent of voters under age 35 dropped off after casting a presidential ballot rather than voting for a House candidate. These younger and browner surge voters are, by and large, Obama`s right now, not necessarily the Democratic Party`s. If Democrats are to strengthen our majority coalition going into the off year, we will clearly need to reach and engage these voters with some party persuasion. Again, the Party must continue to aggressively build in the off year--the time to let up on the 50 state strategy is not now. We must expand upon it with a particular youth and minority focus.

    http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/1/12/9592/69454
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    I agree with that. And it's the very reason that Saxby Shameless was re-elected in GA on a re-vote, and the tight race in MN reflects it as well.
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    The reason he is going to give a speech is that when they do a poll this weekend about rating Bush....people will remember how pitiful he was on Thursday Night and they will give him a better rating in the poll.

    Wanna bet?

    I'm serious....
  • woodroad34 · 10 months ago
    I take the opposite position. His ego, despite his "hatred of the spotlight", forces him to "catapult the propaganda". Which, will in effect, add gasoline to the fire of his ineptitude and people will be reminded --ONE MORE TIME-- what a freak, despot, inept, and inane thing he really is. Well, all except for the drunken 30%ers out there rocking their trailers.
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    Of course Obama is not going to Spill the Beans before he is President about going after Bush and Cheney on War crimes.

    All the more reason for Bush to go out and pardon everyone.

    The next 7 days will be very interesting on who Bush pardons
  • grandma · 10 months ago
    The Minnesota DFL Party filed a complaint today with the FEC regarding how Norm Coleman is paying for his recount efforts. Norm doesn't have the personal wealth to fund this himself plus the Republican donors aren't probably all that excited about funding a losing proposition. So this means Norm needed to go where Republicans get the vast majority of their donations ... corporations.

    The complaint, filed today with the FEC, alleges that: the RNLA is funding Coleman's recount committee with illegal contributions in excess of legal limits; the RNLA is funding Coleman's recount committee with illegal contributions from corporations; the RNLA has failed to register with the FEC, as its contributions to Coleman's recount require it to; and Coleman has failed to report any contributions from the RNLA.

    http://www.mncampaignreport.com/diary/2457/dfl-...
  • Bush Bites · 10 months ago
    Cool.

    They have to keep the pressure on Coleman and he'll crack like Bush did yesterday.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    On the weather...we've had a week or 2 of sort of a false spring. Yesterday, I was looking out the front window and saw a beautiful cardinal at the feeding station, with 2 bluebirds (one going inside, the other staying outside--mates?) taking over a nesting box directly in front of the window. My front yard is a haven for birds around here, with nesting boxes and feeders of various kinds and it's very rewarding even though I know little about bird breeds. Also, daffodils have started showing buds, but I'm afraid we're in for some very cold nights here in NC the next week or two.

    Oh, and goddamn George Bush.
  • Keith · 10 months ago
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    FINAL Bush Press Conference:

    Bush displays his advanced state of narcissistic reasoning until the very end, openly blaming the divided nation on everyone but himself.

    Here is to the world-wide wish that the next time we see you is at your trail at the International Criminal Court in The Hague - for Crimes Against Humanity!!!


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  • Bush Bites · 10 months ago
    Gergen was right.

    Bush's discussion of Katrina was basically "Heckuva Job Brownie" redux.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 10 months ago
    Pathological Narcissism is rarely treatable.
  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    Free Leonard Peltier!
  • maudgonne · 10 months ago
    One of the researchers involved in the work said last night that the grant applications may have been blocked by scientists on the funding committees who are morally opposed to the creation of cloned hybrid embryos derived from mixing human cells with the eggs of cows, pigs or rabbits.

    The decision threatens Britain's leading position in the world in terms of creating of stem cells from animal-human hybrid embryos, research which in the US is banned from receiving federal government funding.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fundi...
  • LuZenMyMnd · 10 months ago
    I know this is going to be unpopular...but I almost feel sorry for Bush. He was hired into a job that was definitely outside of his league. He was inept when he walked through the door of the white house and he's proven more pathetic as he leaves. For the rest of his life, ALL he really has are the dreams of a legacy that may never materialize. For the rest of his life he knows this generation and the next will loathe him for that ineptness.

    All the orphans in Iraq he's created....all the widows who now may have to turn to prostitution to get a few morsels for their children. These were women who were second class citizens through no fault of their own, who will now be looked upon as dogs.

    Lest we not forget....'No...we'd never to go to war in Iraq for oil." All I know is THE Single Reason has changed depending on the audience. WMD's, Removing a Dictator, Liberating the people of Iraq...the list goes on. Or ALL of the above. Bush has to live with this.
  • woodroad34 · 10 months ago
    I understand what you mean. Especially after Cheney, in his interview the other night, pretty much rewrites history to his benefit and puts all the blame on Bush. But I think that was the point all along. Get the stupid kid to be the face of the gang so he gets all the crap and the real murderers and criminals go free. While I feel sorry for the dumb jerk, he is 60 years old and not some innocent child who doesn't know anything. Bush is aware he's being set up, but his ego and selfishness clouded whatever remained of his drug and boozed soaked brain.
  • tlsintx · 10 months ago
    good morning...

    oh goody, we get to watch one more time as Little Lord Pissypants stomps his foot and screams: but ah wuz a gud presdunt...ah wuz!!! wahhhhhh!!!!

    barf.
  • woodroad34 · 10 months ago
    Well, according to his press conference on Monday, he could whine, but he won't because he's secure in his pissypants-hood.
  • foxy · 10 months ago
    I sure would like to know where Obama is going to put those prisoners after shutting Gitmo down? BTW, the kids they put in that place are all grown up. Talk about child abuse.
  • woodroad34 · 10 months ago
    Talk about people with grudges who turn into new terrorists....cycle of violence.
  • grandpajohn · 10 months ago
    Sociopaths like bush don't do remorse or regrets, so bush will continue to sleep at night as always without any thoughts about any of the little people he has harmed and without accepting any blame or responsibility for his actions
  • Constant Comment · 10 months ago
    What will it take for this sociopath to just. go. away? I don't think I can bring myself to watch what will undoubtedly turn into a self-pity party, but, on the other hand, there's always the chance it could turn into a trainwreck a la Nixon's speech the day he resigned. What a rambling mess that was!
  • tlsintx · 10 months ago
    we could have a great drinking game while watching...
    every time he says, what... terra? amurka?
  • woodroad34 · 10 months ago
    I know, right? That press conference on Monday wasn't enough for someone who hates the spotlight. A non-political friend of mine could swear that Bush was on some kind of tranquilizer when he gave that press conference. I think Bush is the only one who wants to hear himself talk. Frankly, it's fingernails on chalkboard time to me (kinda the same with the nasily, inspid, clueless Palin).
  • Dieuberfrau · 10 months ago
    He should just come out and admit "Punked! I so punked you religious conservative moralizing nut balls for over 8 years! You stupid asses! HAHAHA! Oh, and be sure to vote for lil' Jebbie when he runs-SUCKERS!"
  • PeerOne · 10 months ago
    Simply more fodder for comedy. He's having a hard time letting go, awwwwww......
  • Scottsdalian · 10 months ago
    Hey John - your linked weather forecast for Thursday (day of Bush's farewell speach) is "Windy and Partly Cloudy"!!!!!

    Insert you own jokes here....."Winds of change blowing thru DC", "Another Bush windy speech", "Bush's facts will be partly clouded in his favor...but still wrong", etc.