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AMERICAblog: Updates on gay man's brain injury after Ft. Worth police raided gay bar on Stonewall Anniversary

  • urizon · 5 months ago
    This isn't the only recent incident of anti-gay police violence:

    http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=...

    Cops Raid Lesbian-Hosted Fundraiser for California Pol
    by Kilian Melloy
    EDGE Staff Reporter
    Tuesday Jun 30, 2009

    The Sheriff’s Department in Encinitas, a town outside of San Diego, reportedly responded to a June 26 noise complaint regarding a political fundraiser attended by middle-aged Democrats, many of them women, and hosted by a lesbian couple, by dispatching more than a half-dozen deputies, one of whom allegedly proceeded to throw the 60-year-old hostess to the ground and pepper-spray her guests.

    The fundraiser was convened in support of politician Francine Busby, who had run for the Congressional post of Randy "Duke" Cunningham after former Rep. Cunningham, a Republican, lost his seat by being sent to federal prison on an array of corruption charges.

    Busby lost that race, but is gearing up for another run at Congress.


    The fact that the event was hosted by a lesbian couple apparently played a role:

    Attendees of the fundraiser, meantime, were reportedly heckled by an unseen man from behind some bushes who uttered disparaging remarks about gays and about Busby, a Democrat.

    Good thing Obama's going to put a stop to this kind of thing at some unspecified date in the future.
  • nicho · 5 months ago
    Apparently, the heckler was the one who called the police, since other neighbors said there wasn't any noise that bothered them.

    Now, imagine if the polarities were reversed and the gathering was for a Republican and some gay person had been shouting slurs at them and then made a phony noise complaint.

    You just know that the police would have attacked the callerr, pepper sprayed him -- if not tasered him -- and then charged him with making a false police report -- and had a good laugh with the Republicans.
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    Good! I f*****g hope there is a serious and thorough investigation and that the ft worth pd gets sued. There's NO f*****g reason we shouldn't be able to have/enjoy a gay bar ANYwhere in the U.S. nowadays, and be left alone. We have enough gay bashing thug/criminals hanging around, ready to descend on people walking home or to their cars after leaving one of them - we damn sure don't need law enforcement helping them out.

    Did Ft. Worth wake up in 1969 again? WTF??

    John, PLEASE keep the pressure on this issue. Thanks for shedding light and for continuing to fight the good fight.
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    Hey, it's Texas. You were expecting something different?
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    For the last 15 years, I've heard how the culture in TX cities had changed, and how cosmopolitan the larger cities, like Dallas, had become, and much more so than some east coast cities, yadda, yadda, yadda. Apparently, it was all lies, or hype. The hard truth is: They're still as f*****g redneck and as prejudice as any small town in MS, LA, GA, or AL. Their law enforcement agencies need to clean house and be put in their place by the legal system. Enough is enough
  • Topher · 4 months ago
    You are absolutely correct. There is NOTHING cosmopolitain, progressive or anything slightly pro-gay about ANY city in Texas (I include you, Austin!). As I mentioned in the previous post on this issue, Texas is saturated with homophobia. Many of my "progressive" friends in Texas do not think that gay men should be able to adopt children, get married, or be protected from employment discrimination. Essentially, the "progressive" view of homosexuality in Texas is "well, if I can't see it, it doesn't matter." BUT, don't even get me started on race relations there--it's a million times worse. The whole place is run by a cesepool of conformist heteronorative, white people who still think that they are standing on the walls of the Alamo. (Which, they LOST, by the way). And dude...check out my UT cap im my pic--I still hold hope for the place.
  • Jim Olson · 5 months ago
    How about we have a "Shut Down America" day on National Coming Out day in October? If we can, we stay home from work. Let's really organize it.
  • nicho · 5 months ago
    We can do better than that. Every gay person in the US needs to take advantage of that day to call the White House, the Pentagon, the Speaker, Harry Reid, their member of Congress, and their two senators.

    If we do that, we will shut down Washington more completely than if we got five million people to march in the streets.

    There would be no phone service available for any of the above persons and agencies. They wouldn't even be able to order a pizza, call their mistresses, or hire a hustler for the evening.
  • Jim Olson · 5 months ago
    Not enough. It's easy to be an arm-chair activist, and I fear, that is what the Internet has allowed us to become. No, on that day, we, and our supporters, call in sick. A massive, national pink flu, with demonstrations in every city.
  • nicho · 5 months ago
    A. Many of us us work for ourselves or at home or are unemployed.

    B. Many people can't take a day off without some penalty or previous permission to take a day off -- or they will be fired on the spot. So, if it's just a normal day off, it loses it's effect.

    C. Many people are just getting by and can't afford to lose a day's work.

    Without unions, you can't have an effective national strike -- which is one of the reasons it was necessary for the fascists to destroy the unions.

    The only ones who could do what you suggest are the A-listers and they've been bought off for a couple of cheap drinks and a bowl full of cheese puffs.

    And, I'm kind of offended by the "armchair activist" crap. What I suggested would have far more effect than a couple of thousand people wandering around DC for a day when no one is in town.
  • Indigo · 5 months ago
    Oh, no! Not the dreaded Pink Flu! Nothing will get done!
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    The homostorm got me!
  • Indigo · 4 months ago
    Funny!
  • mooresart · 5 months ago
    Seems to me the "armchair activists" (the Internet) are the ones who got Obama elected...
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    hmmm..pink flu... I LIKE that!
  • Nick_Upstate · 5 months ago
    This kind of thing will continue to occur until Obama or some other strong advocate seriously begins to advocate for GLBT rights.
    The rightwingers now have the initiative and Texas is the shining example of extremism toward minorities.
  • Jophus · 5 months ago
    Ooh I can't wait for him to give another speech telling us that even though we haven't seen change, we can expect it.

    Sadly, I only expect more speeches explaining that the future always trumps the present.
  • Topher · 4 months ago
    I obviously have an opinion on the matter, and instead of replying to posts, I'll just say that I'm willing to bet nothing--absolutely nothing--will come of this. No one will be fired, there will be no resignation, I even doubt that FWPD will add on a GLBT liasion. Disclaimer: I grew up in Texas and left the state as soon as I could because I found the entire State (and I've either lived or visited almost every corner) to be completely homophobic or blatently anti-gay. I'm not sure where it all stems from, or how they got there, but gays in Texas are "tolerated" so long as they shut up at work, stay in their own bars, and do not ask for any semblence of equality or even postive identity. As mentioned below, I've had college-educatued "progressive" straight "friends" who are more than willing to hang out in a gay bar turn around to me and say that gay men should not be allowed to be parents, get married, or be anything much more than a novelty. I admit, I have been away from the state for a couple of years, but that type of systemic homophobia doesn't go away overnight. I also feel it's important to note that we as gay people are not the only ones that have issues there--despite the history of the area and the basic demographics, Hispanics (as they are called in Texas) and other racial minorities are also still facing an uphill battle in the state. I often ponder how the State that gave the world Ann Richards ended up a second-rate version of Mississippi in the 1950s.....
  • Wesinoregon · 4 months ago
    True... It's a backstabbing place for sure. The scary part is no laws regarding the work place. That hangs over ones head all the time. The question: What if someone finds out?
  • therepguy · 4 months ago
    These types of raids were common in the 50's and early 60's but after much work, protesting and an ever growing pride movement they stopped!

    Now 40 years after the Stonewall raids and there counterparts through out Texas we find the raids are returning... this egress into the past has to stop!

    The gay community and its supports through Texas has to rise up and march every weekend till the handful of dirty cops in Fort Worth are fired, arrested and convected and are safely placed in the Texas correctional system... nothing less will do!

    In addition, the governor, our senators, our representatives and our mayors in each and every urban area in this state must speak out against this type of behavior!

    In addition, the republican stranglehold on this state must come to an end!

    I for one am tired of living in a police state where minorities are targeted for being!

    Thanks for putting up with my rant!
  • Topher · 4 months ago
    I completely agree with you, but I have to say that I honestly feel that NO ONE in any sort of actual power in Texas will feel any pressure to do anything substantive, because the people of Texas, to paraphrase one of the best quotes Kayne West ever gave "do not care about gay people." It is honestly the most homophobic place I've ever been in the world.
  • therepguy · 4 months ago
    "If Texas is honestly the most homophobic place I've ever been in the world" and I believe this to be true!

    Then its because the gay community has not done its job!

    Homophobia occurs when the public fails to understand that they come in contact with our community everyday of there lives. Texans must be made to understand that gays are real and that every living Texan does know and interact with at least one gay person everyday of there lives! The community can no longer afford to real out of sight!

    It occurs when families choose not to embrace their own gay family members. Texans must know that at last one of their offspring is gay, that at lest one of their loved ones is gay, that uncle/aunt whoever is gay, that grandpa/grandma are gay and so on...

    It occurs when employers are allowed to fire someone for whom they feel are gay without know so because it offense their personal values. Texans must be made to understand that it is immoral to deprive a person of their livelihood or home because you don't understand their lifestyle.

    In fact its down right Un-American, there was a time when we burned people at the stack for so called witchcraft but overtime we realized that those act made no sense... the same goes for the way Texans choose to deal with gays. Would a fascist right-wing republican really push homophobia, if they remotely through that such negative actions would effect their own... HELL NO!

    Its occurs when governments are allowed to push so called family values over real ethics. It time that our government is held accountable for there actions. Will Texas embrace government homophobia if there loved ones are at risk...HELL NO!

    It occurs when an entire community are scapegoated in order to deflect a political shortcoming. tHE TIME HAS COME TO TURN OUT THIS REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT MAKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS OUT OF OUR KIDS!

    It occurs when the public schools are allowed to degrade because followers are easier to control than leaders.

    It occurs when church and state are allow to intermingle.

    IT OCCURS WHEN MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE WILLING TO ENBRCE THE STATUS QUE IN ORDER TO PROTECT WHAT WE'VE GAINED WE HAVE MADE BECAUSE "WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE WHAT WE'VE GAINED"... NEVER REALIZING THAT WHAT WE HAD HAS LONE AGO SLIPPED ALWAY!

    THE COMMUNITY HAS SEEN THE FUTURE AND THE FUTURE WAS YESTERDAY! IT TIME TO HIT THE STREET BEFORE WE'RE BACK IN THE 50'S YET AGAIN!

    I do not believe that Texans do not care about gays.
  • benmerrill · 5 months ago
    If Obama can give a speach about Iranian protesters getting their heads bashed in, why can't he make a comment about a gay man being bashed in the head.
  • devlzadvocate · 5 months ago
    He was goaded into the Iranian speech by powerful people. Dykes and fags think they have no power, so they don't use it - at least that's what politicians would have you think. So, they placate you with a party, a Ritz cracker and a cosmo.

    If you can't dazzle them with your brillance, baffle them with your bullshit.
  • Kalex · 5 months ago
    I'm a gay man who largely agrees with John on Obama's inaction and insults to the GLBT community. I stopped my monthly contributions to the DNC because of it. But I am becoming annoyed by Joe and John's constant griping and snark re: Obama. It's not helping the cause!!!
  • devlzadvocate · 5 months ago
    So, what would help the cause? Walking away and letting him forget about his promises or holding his feet to the fire?
    I think the bigger point is that if he throws an entire part of his constituency under the bus, he gives permission to "haters" to attack and get away with it. Holding his feet to the fire says, as the President, you have the forum to speak out against those actions and for equality.

    Why would you deny yourself that protection?
  • Kalex · 5 months ago
    Griping about it in every other post doesn't help the cause... Obama is not reading this blog.

    All it is doing is stoking hate for the man instead of passion to fight for our rights. Its breeding the opposite - inaction. Why? Because he is painting the administration as not willing to help (true so far) but also not willing to ever help - which is not the case.
  • Gridlock · 5 months ago
    Prove the administration is willing to help in a substantial way.

    All we've gotten is excuses from and attacked by this administration.
  • devlzadvocate · 5 months ago
    The inaction and name calling on the part of the Administration came long before painting them as not willing to help. As a matter of fact, the name calling is worse than not willing to help. It is destructive and to let it pass without even an acknowledgement is very telling. That's what motivates me.
  • devlzadvocate · 5 months ago
    After re-reading your post several times, I think we have differences regarding 1) a definition of "the cause"; 2) the effort to get one to stick to their promises is "stoking hate".
  • CJ Griffin · 5 months ago
    I agree. It's over-the-top.
  • FunMe · 5 months ago
    Riots were happening in the 1960s where blacks were being attacked.

    Eventually, JFK said something thanks to Bobby telling him he had to.

    Who will tell Obama to STOP with his straight man arrogance and realize to be a great president, he has to be a president for ALL Americans and also not a liar ("fierce advocate")

    Oh I'm sure Obama will say the same thing he said about the DOMA brief insulting gays by saying their marriage is like incest/pedophelia: he will say NOTHING.
  • Jophus · 5 months ago
    I would have loved if he had said that in his speeches leading up to the election.

    'In 4 or 8 years, I'll eventually get around to even slightly helping you out. Right now I need to work on giving the corporations trillions of dollars and not formulating new regulations or even re-installing the old ones.'

    I would have written Dean on my ballot.
  • Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 5 months ago
    I will bet that speech was full of high-minded promises and emotion touchstones. The uber-rich gays were probably thrilled and gave unending standing ovations. But in the end neither actually did anything. As real action is aggressive and uncalled for in any situation. Maybe someday though! Perhaps another exclusive cocktail party to celebrate this tragedy is in order.
  • ccortezz · 5 months ago
    It's gonna get worse before it's get better. The fucking crazies will have their last stand and YOU better be ready.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 5 months ago
    Back in my hippie days, 40 years ago, we routinely called 'em "pigs."

    That epithet may be on its way to making a comeback.
  • Butch1 · 5 months ago
    We are pearls caste before swine . . .
  • CJ Griffin · 5 months ago
    Okay, it's a little absurd to throw Obama into this. You're getting over the top, John.
  • Jim Olson · 5 months ago
    Actually it's not over the top. If, on the eve of the 40th anniversary of the the civil rights movement, a group of police officers marched into a predominantly black bar and started busting heads for no apparent reason, there would be huge national uproar, and most likely, a sharp condemnation from the White House. For this one? *crickets*
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    No it's NOT over the top to be upset about this - not in 2009, in the U.S.
  • Indigo · 5 months ago
    Obama set the tone through negligence.
  • Donna_Q · 5 months ago
    I'm afraid I have to agree. All this bitching and moaning about not getting instant favorable results is starting to become counterproductive. And John, you're every bit the weak-kneed incrementalist you accuse Obama of being. I remember all too well your willingness to toss transgenders (that would be people like me) under the bus and high-mindedly lecture us about how we had to sit and wait our turns in the service of the greater cause when we dared to protest.
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    exCUSE me.. some patrons got bashed by armed police just because they were drinking in a gay bar. It's not 1969 anymore. Wake up!
  • Donna_Q · 4 months ago
    exCUSE ME, but I was not referring to John commenting on the incident itself, and neither was the the commenter with whom I was expressing agreement. Why don't you "wake up" and actually read people's comments before working yourself into a righteously indignant lather? Of course the beating of innocent patrons of a gay bar warrants lots of noisy outrage. What some of us object to is the way John just had to work yet another gratuitous dig at Obama into his post. Everything isn't Obama's fault, but you wouldn't know it from reading John's posts over the last week or so. And I also wanted to note John's own history of telling others, i.e., the transgender community, to sit down, shut up and stoically accept political reality, because otherwise HE and his friends might have to sit and wait with us for full, across-the-board equality.
  • Name · 5 months ago
    it's not going to get any better any time soon...
    glad obama gave a speech...
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090630/pl_afp/usg...
  • Jim Olson · 5 months ago
    There are gay bars in four different counties in Texas? Who knew...
  • MarlinB · 4 months ago
    There are gay bars in lots of counties in Texas. I have lived and traveled all and lived all over the state. I know of a bar or bars in Lubbock, Odessa, San Angelo, Dallas, Fort Worth, Denton, Austin, Houston, and San Antonio.
  • Tom in Lazybrook · 5 months ago
    Ok. Now we are going to have an internal police investigation. Led by a Police Chief who has already said that the officers used restraint, that the victim grabbed crotches, and that everyone needs to basically STFU. Doesn't work that way.

    Here are my questions

    1) TABC and FW PD raided a gay bar, ostensibly for having drunk patrons, but did NOT bring breathalyzers. And refused to perform them when patrons asked. Sober patrons were arrested.

    2) TABC/FWPD told a patron upon entry that their probable cause was a tip from a disgruntled former employee. Even though the bar had been open all of ONE WEEK.

    3) Arrests were arbitrary. A female patron, even though she told the police that she was drunk was not arrested. Gay men were.

    4) The TABC was apparently not following its protocol in the raid.

    5) The police made the extrememly offensive assertion that the Gay men in the bar were grabbing their crotches. Assertion not validated by any of the patrons. Or the security cameras in the bar.

    6) The police now claim that Mr. Gibson was the person who did the crotch grabbing. Are they going to claim ‘Gay Panic’ as an excuse.

    7) Mr. Gibson was apparently not arrested for assaulting police officers because he was ’so drunk that he was throwing up all over the place’. So if I throw up, I can go assault police officers and not be charged? Wow, didn’t know that one. That cracked skull and internal bleeding in his brain had nothing to do with the vomiting apparently.

    8) Now Mr. Gibson apparently fell and hit his head, thus supposedly causing the potentially life threatening head injury. And video or pics of him slipping and falling? Other than with 6 grown brutal cops throwing him to the ground?

    9) Leaving Mr. Gibson aside for a brief moment, lets move on to Mr. Anderson, who claims that he was arrested for being drunk and denied a sobriety test and not read his miranda rights.

    Whose a lawyer in here. How many lawsuits are we up to here? How many criminal acts by the police?
  • ndtovent · 5 months ago
    A lot, I hope
  • Blueflash · 5 months ago
    Hey, but the cops are saying one of the gays groped them. That's what gays do, after all, especially when there are no cameras to prove otherwise. The poor macho cops had to defend themselves and maybe they'd eaten a bit too much junk food too.
  • Indigo · 5 months ago
    I wonder if it was an FBI sponsored experiment in gay-control? I suspect there's going to be more. Quietly destructive with deniability. Obama seems to like it that way.
  • CJ Griffin · 5 months ago
    You're nuts, man.
  • Indigo · 4 months ago
    and . . . ?
  • MattP · 5 months ago
    Wrong link. Try this one for today's update.

    http://www.dallasvoice.com/instant-tea/2009/06/...
  • Upland_Oddball · 5 months ago
    All though somewhat but not entirely off topic, I would recommend that everyone who hasn't done it yet, read Ian Halperin's recent article in the UK Daily Mail, about Michael Jackson.

    I know, I know, we may all be getting sick of hearing about Jackson, but he does relate to this topic: gay bashing by high ups and people who supposedly seek to protect us.

    Jackson may not have lived his life as an open gay man, and brought a lot of added pain to his life by living a crazed life of convoluted denial. But he suffered all the same from the homophobia of our society, the entertainment industry, and particularly, from his whacked-out family and their enablers in the black leadership and church. Joe Jackson, his sicko father, seems truly relieved at not having to deal with his "fa**ot" son anymore. Now, if he could only keep the gravy train running.

    It is a foul joke the way the media avoids this glaring reality of his life and death.
  • devlzadvocate · 5 months ago
    Also, read Leonard Pitts column today. I'm not tired of hearing about MJ, I think it may be distracting us from other important things however. MJ was an incredibly talented, important creative genius who seems to have led mostly a sad, tortured life with many legal challenges. He wrote and sang some of my favorite songs. As somebody said, ". . . the soundtrack of my life."
  • Fireblazes(CheetohsandCatfood) · 5 months ago
    I feel as if...You have to believe...I know he will...I don't think he knew about it...He doesn't really believe that...We have to give him more time...he will do the right thing...

    What do these phrases have in common? How is the hope expressed in these assertions different than reality? At what point do a person's actions begin to mean more than their words?

    During the primaries one of my biggest fears was that Obama would negotiate away too much in the name of consensus. Are we there yet?
  • postdamnit · 5 months ago
    "But in good news, President Obama gave a speech. "

    Again! This is all he does, make speeches. Let's see some action Obama. As I tell my dog, less bark and more wag,
  • MarlinB · 5 months ago
    I just arrived home from a community forum that the Fort Worth Police have in their different communities. The Police Chief assured us that the investigation is continuing.

    He also read a press release, which I have not been able to find on the TABC website, that the TABC is also starting an internal investigation.

    He asked two things of the community. 1) That we be patient as he continues the investigation. 2) That if you witnessed anything at the Rainbow Lounge please go to the Police and file a report.

    He assured the community that this was not targeted and that the event was headed by the TABC and not the Fort Worth Police Department.

    I hope that we will soon see results from this. He also said he believes that we need a LGBTQ liason on his staff.

    If and when I can find the press release from TABC I will copy it here.

    Later,

    Marlin
  • MarlinB · 5 months ago
    A straight ally was smart enough to use his iPhone to record some of the conversation tonight concerning the events at Rainbow Lounge and the GLBTQ's concerns. Please feel free to listen in.

    http://tinyurl.com/lh3xqb

    Later,

    Marlin
  • Tony In Dallas · 5 months ago
    This incident is like a visible lesion. A sign of a sub-dermal cancer that is endemic of FWPD's intolerance of residents' alternative sexual orientation. The Chief himself is to blame for letting this cancer grow unchecked to the point that it manifested itself in a planned raid scheduled to coincide on the 40th anniversary of the Stonewall rebellion.

    I don't live in FW but I hope they demand the Chief's resignation, the firing of all bad cops involved in this travesty of law enforcement, the establishment of a GLBT community liaison like we have in Dallas, and proper screening of intolerant Police Academy applicants among other necessary reforms.
  • mozziekiller · 4 months ago
    you keep yanking on that junk-yard dog's chain and he's gonna turn around and try to bite you.

    the question is, how hard to yank the chain?

    we're here we're queer they'll get used to us eventually!
    we're here we're queer they'll get used to us eventually!
    we're here we're queer they'll get used to us eventually!

    ha!

    sometimes i wish we had a gay mafia.......
  • Wesinoregon · 4 months ago
    The officers are identified, also anyone who was a witness is asked to come forward. I hope they do so.

    http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/0...
  • Holly · 4 months ago
    It's probably been said before, but is it possible that the fight against this policy is being wagged by high-ranking closet gays & their supporters? They are afraid that allowing openly gay people to serve, their secret will become known. (Of course the fear of change is generally worse than the actual outcome ...)
  • FunMe · 4 months ago
    Officers were touched inappropriately? Yeah right!

    I don't believe it AT ALL.

    The police officers are LYING because they have no defense in the injuries they caused this young man.

    And WHY would a freaking police dept. run raids on bars, inside no less, to find drunk people. Stupid jerks!