AMERICAblog: US Air intimidating pilots to cut fuel
jr
· 1 year ago
no way I'm flying anymore
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
I second that! Holy crap!
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
If you regularly post here, you're probably on the 'No Fly List' already.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
I live by the beach - once Summer is over and I have 2 more months of hot weather (and NO crowds) that will be my vacation.
Avoiding flying as much as possible.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
I hope I am on it. I would wear it like a badge of honor.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
"These eight pilots have routinely been above the 60 to 90 minute range. It just behooves us as a company to talk to these guys, figure out what they're seeing that we're not," Durrant said. ---
he's spinning here... complete bullshit.
okay, MOST pilots fly the SAME route day in day out (and ALL of them only fly the type of plane they're checked out on. If you fly a 747, you're not going to hop on the flight deck of an Airbus 380)... are these 8 flying into/out of heavy traffic airports?? NYC? LA? Chicago?? Storms? were they cleared to land when they got to the airport, or asked to circle?
I want to know their routes, conditions and the airports they're flying to/from.
c'mon... blaming the pilot for winding up last in a line of 40 flights landing at the same airstrip is bullshit.
what's next?
PrahaPartizan
· 1 year ago
Actually, this spokesperson just damaged these pilots' reputation and potential employability. That's actionable for slander. US Airways doesn't diappoint.
Webster
· 1 year ago
I wonder if the CEOs of the airlines would like someone looking over their shoulders as they put gas in their Mercedes?
"Just see how far you can get down this dark road with half a tank. Oh, and don't put any blankets or food in your car either--that stuff weighs too much."
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
I doubt the CEOs pump gas... or even drive.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
i may be missing something here, but, if there is unused fuel left in the tank that wasn't needed for the flight, isn't it available for the next flight? or are these pilots alleged to have sold it and pocketed the money?
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
The bean counters are complaining about the estimated $80. per flight it would cost to fly the weight of the extra fuel.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
you'd think they'd just lose some luggage to compensate.
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
The bean counters have already thrown out the pillows???
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
yeah, but I'm not talking about THEIR luggage.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
When will they start charging overweight people a surcharge by the pound?
OMG, that was hilarious once I realized it was a joke.....
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
That in fact is on the table. They probably have to hire more security to deal with the expected resistance. Don't taze me bro'!
A_N
· 1 year ago
Some airlines do, I read somewhere.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
good point. I'd think they'd revise the amount of fuel for a certain route based on the pilot's requests... as I said before, these 8 are most probably flying the same routes every day. So if they're 'routinely' over that 60-90 minute window... it makes sense that its either congestion at these airports, or the cities involved have regular bad weather... or both.
unrepentant_expat
· 1 year ago
This reassessment may pay back in no time at all.
How to value life? EPA devalues its estimate updated 1:34 p.m. PT, Thurs., July. 10, 2008
WASHINGTON - It's not just the American dollar that's losing value. A government agency has decided that an American life isn't worth what it used to be.
The "value of a statistical life" is $6.9 million in today's dollars, the Environmental Protection Agency reckoned in May — a drop of nearly $1 million from just five years ago.
The Associated Press discovered the change after a review of cost-benefit analyses over more than a dozen years.
Soundboy_jeff_meanie
· 1 year ago
funny... even figuring the cost of a life has dropped (since chimpy's reign).. if a plane has 150 passengers... its carrying $97.5 million worth of people.
more than the cost of the freight that airlines say they make all their money on.
why not cut the passengers out altogether? rip out the seats and fly freight only. no liability for lives lost, and they make money on the freight.
maybe that would keep American carriers from going under... Europe would handle all American passenger flights (seeing as they seem to be able to run airlines that are profitable).
either that, or the government should own ALL the American airlines... fire the boards and keep the workers and they'd probably become profitable again.
KerrynowCampau
· 1 year ago
OT - Think this would happen here in the US?
“There have been violent protests at the stock exchange in Karachi after shares on the Pakistani stock market plummeted again.”
Back maybe 15 years ago, an aircraft in a holding pattern over JFK Airport in NY was running out of fuel, but the pilot (whom I recall was working for a smallish Latin American airline and a bit shy) wouldn't call an emergency. The plane crashed with great loss of life. A bit of slack in fuel load would have saved many lives. Have to find a link.
The accident was January 25, 1990, Avianca Airlines.
moreleesafer
· 1 year ago
but......but....business can regulate itself. right?
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lark83
· 1 year ago
One possibility is that the pilots are pissed off at management and don't care if they are wasting few a little bit. Besides, its always nice to have a little extra fuel on board.
vkobaya
· 1 year ago
I would suggest the US Air CEO fly with pilots who have been forced to fly with less than the amount of fuel they believe adequate. The pilots have a better idea of how much fuel is required than desk jock bean counters. As long as the CEO doesn't have to fly with those pilots, he doesn't give a blankety-blank.
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Avoiding flying as much as possible.
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he's spinning here... complete bullshit.
okay, MOST pilots fly the SAME route day in day out (and ALL of them only fly the type of plane they're checked out on. If you fly a 747, you're not going to hop on the flight deck of an Airbus 380)... are these 8 flying into/out of heavy traffic airports?? NYC? LA? Chicago?? Storms? were they cleared to land when they got to the airport, or asked to circle?
I want to know their routes, conditions and the airports they're flying to/from.
c'mon... blaming the pilot for winding up last in a line of 40 flights landing at the same airstrip is bullshit.
what's next?
"Just see how far you can get down this dark road with half a tank. Oh, and don't put any blankets or food in your car either--that stuff weighs too much."
Don't taze me bro'!
How to value life? EPA devalues its estimate
updated 1:34 p.m. PT, Thurs., July. 10, 2008
WASHINGTON - It's not just the American dollar that's losing value. A government agency has decided that an American life isn't worth what it used to be.
The "value of a statistical life" is $6.9 million in today's dollars, the Environmental Protection Agency reckoned in May — a drop of nearly $1 million from just five years ago.
The Associated Press discovered the change after a review of cost-benefit analyses over more than a dozen years.
more than the cost of the freight that airlines say they make all their money on.
why not cut the passengers out altogether? rip out the seats and fly freight only. no liability for lives lost, and they make money on the freight.
maybe that would keep American carriers from going under... Europe would handle all American passenger flights (seeing as they seem to be able to run airlines that are profitable).
either that, or the government should own ALL the American airlines... fire the boards and keep the workers and they'd probably become profitable again.
“There have been violent protests at the stock exchange in Karachi after shares on the Pakistani stock market plummeted again.”
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2008/07/...
Me neither.....
;-)
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details...
The accident was January 25, 1990, Avianca Airlines.
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