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AMERICAblog: US Census spokesperson calls being gay a "lifestyle"

  • chowderSF · 11 months ago
    THANK YOU for seeing this and bringing it up....this is the kind of stuff we need to push back on every time this 'lifestyle' talk is brought up.....thanks John....
  • MEM · 11 months ago
    I wonder if she is one of those "holdovers" from the Bush Bunch.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    the latest pick for commerce secretary practices the asian lifestyle. i wonder if he will accept ms. endo's female lifestyle.
  • Savage8862 · 11 months ago
    Once again we are deemed invisible. The census covers the number of telephones, television sets, and dogs or cats but we as gay people aren't counted at all unless we are in the larger mix. I think it is time for HRC to make a statement. Perhaps it is also time that since I am not being counted, i shouldn't have to be counted to pay taxes either. After all, according to the census spokesperson, my lifestyle doesn't exist so therefore I don't exist.
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    Good point, indeed.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 11 months ago
    Being considered three-fifths of a human being would be an improvement.
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    Yes, much better than being dismissed. I sent her an email defining to her my displeasure at reading her poor choice of words ( life-style ) and the fact that a credentialed social scientist should be running the census, one who can do his/her job objectively, without the baggage that Ms. Endo seems to be dragging behind her. I do not think her journalism degree qualifies her for this position. Erasing us on paper will not get rid of us.
  • Rob Mule · 11 months ago
    A quick Google suggests Ms. Endo, with a BA in Journalism from the California State University at Long Beach, has been a "Mainstream Media Specialist for the 2010 Census" for only 3 months...A Bush plant???
    Her Classmates.com profile says she attended Garfield High School in LA...maybe gay classmates could give her a flavor of the numbers involved with this "lifestyle"?
  • Older_Wiser · 11 months ago
    Total inanity. Her boss is Ken Salazar and I don't see anything in this practice changing.
    P. S. My bad, it's under Commerce...has a Secy been confirmed there yet?
  • chowderSF · 11 months ago
    And by not being counted, the government can continue pretending our numbers are not as great as they are, and thereby restricting funding, research, outreach, etc., to our communities. What real reason could there be for the government to not want to know more things about its population? I would like to know what other questions are being added to the 2010 census questionnaire instead of counting gays and lesbians.
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    We should apply for "native-american" status since we are a tribe of sorts and we have certainly been around here as long as this country has. Perhaps, with a new status, we will finally get counted.
    "The Berdache" Nation. Has a nice ring to it. ;-)
  • Greensburg · 11 months ago
    should we not do the census since we as gays are not to be counted?
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    Perhaps, every major city of banded gay and lesbian groups should try and do their own counting and compile it at a national level. It won't count all gays and lesbians but it may be a very large group counted. Let's put a little egg on their faces. No one can deny us unless we let them continue to call the tunes. If they won't do it then, we should. It will make her census look incomplete and people may begin to question the reason we were omitted. She needs to put on her tap shoes because I think she's going to be doing a lot of dancing in the near future.
  • Leo · 11 months ago
    I think a lot of these problems arose from misguided gay activists themselves. Remember it was Andrew Sullivan who became one of the main public spokesmen for monogamy and same-sex marriage while openly advertising for anonymous bareback orgies online (while HIV+). The general public and especially the Right-Wingers aren't blind to the contradictions. They see someone like Sullivan as hypocritical to be demanding marriage rights while practicing such an unhealthy "lifestyle". Meanwhile, we are told by those like Sullivan that role models like Rosie O'donnell, who has raised healthy vibrant children in a stable relationship, are elite leftist traitors.

    Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20031024031012/http:...
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 11 months ago
    i don't think the general public knows who andrew sullivan is. sullivan has some talent as a pundit, but i'm not going to give him credit for inventing or causing homophobia. i also wouldn't call him an activist.
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    Though I disagree with Andrew Sullivan's poor health choices, we know this same behavior of people in marriages breaking their vow of monogamy to have unprotected sex with others is happening as well. I would define that as an "unhealthy-lifestyle" as well. The fact that nearly fifty-percent of marriages end in divorce may give us a better number of how many in straight relationships have pledged monogamy, but did otherwise.
  • 3rd rodeo · 11 months ago
    A serious question: Do I understand this correctly? You want a box on the census form which asks if you are gay or straight and one to indicate if you have a gay partner?
  • wmforr · 11 months ago
    Actually, yes.

    After constantly seeing attacks like: "Homosexuals constitute less than 1% of the population, but they are responsible for 70% of child molestations," most of which get their figures from Paul "The average age of death of homosexuals is 42" Cameron's discredited research.

    Yes, as only the U.S. census has the scope to give us an accurate figure, excluding of course the huge number of totally closeted Larry Craigs.
  • MEM · 11 months ago
    Here's the link to let Ms. Endo know how you feel about this.

    pio@census.gov

    With all due respect, these problems don't arise from gay activists. They arise from bigotry.
  • caphillprof · 11 months ago
    here's a better link Cynthia.R.Endo@census.gov
  • Topher · 11 months ago
    Emailed Ms. Endo.
  • wmforr · 11 months ago
    e-mail sent
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 11 months ago
    MY message to her, in its entirety:

    Ms. Endo:

    In 1787, slaves of African origin in the United States, were counted as three-fifths of a human being.

    By the year 2009, you should consider fellow gay and lesbian citizens at least that fraction of full humanity.

    If you do not, you should keep such "pronouncements" to yourself, and your uncivil tongue in your head.

    Sincerely,
  • Ugh · 11 months ago
    Google also shows a few hits for her involvement in "faith based" programs and minority outreach programs but I guess that means only minorities that are approved by her personal religious beliefs. If she isn't a bush holdover then it's clear they didn't vet her at all.
  • ChrisS · 11 months ago
    There aren't any Obama appointees at Census yet. She's a career (civil service) employee.
  • Tysalpha · 11 months ago
    Grrr. Gay is not a "lifestyle"; it is an identity.
  • Leo · 11 months ago
    That is incorrect as well. "Gay" is not an identity, but rather an immutable characteristic such as eye color or body height. That Catholic Priest who has been celibate his whole life but fantasizes about nude men because that is what naturally excites him, is indeed "gay" even though he doesn't identify as such. The international performer such as Liberace who successfully wins lawsuits against those who dare called him "gay", was indeed "gay" regardless. One doesn't "identify" as gay any more than one identifies with their shoe size. These are just benign immutable characteristics we have to acknowledge.
  • Rob Mule · 11 months ago
    One doesn't "identify" as gay any more than one identifies with their shoe size.

    Speak for yourself, sweetie...Oh, and update your examples like your quaint pre-Stonewall reference to Wladziu Valentino Liberace to something nearer to our present web-enabled post-Stonewall 21st century era.
  • Tysalpha · 11 months ago
    I would draw the distinction differently: Homosexuality is a trait; gay is an identity, which (almost always) includes the homosexuality trait.

    This is really no different than saying I'm German-American -- that's an identity. It includes several fixed traits such as fair skin and eyes, certain facial features, etc, but more importantly it's about origins, shared family history and culture.

    And people do identify with being gay -- it's a culture, a shared set of experiences and challenges. To say it's only about the immutable (and clinical) sexual attraction trait is to deny so much of our humanity.
  • wmforr · 11 months ago
    Of course your distinction is exactly the one that Tom Cruise and Larry Craig and Ted Haggard and Roy Cohen like to play on. You're only gay if you say you're gay. So they can tap their feet in the men's room, do "erotic wrestling" with hustlers behind their wive's back, and just about anything, as long as they don't identify as gay, they can look the press in the eye and say "Me not gay. Me real man."

    Al Pacino in "Angles in America": I am not a homosexual. I am a heterosexual man who has sex with men.
  • Tysalpha · 11 months ago
    But of course Larry Craig and Ted Haggard are lying. That doesn't mean "gay" isn't an identity -- it means that Craig and Haggard are lying about their identity!

    But really that's a distraction. The point isn't that people can choose or not choose to claim an identity. The point is that, for those of us who do claim "gay", it's about more than a genetic trait or sex.
  • wmforr · 11 months ago
    But there are exceptions. For example, Larry Craig isn't gay. And Ted Haggard only has a few "homosexual attachements". And of course if you are a Scientologist, that is a buffer against the gay--not to name any names.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 11 months ago
    Screw this. Everyone who's married should say so.
  • onceler · 11 months ago
    I guess she sounds like she's in a state of being so far behind the times that even the laughable stereotype-fest that was Will & Grace would be helpful to her. That way she can understand that being a gay man means basically living with, essentially dating and nearly being married to, a woman who you then also decide to possibly reproduce with, all while having no meaningful relationships with actual, you know, men. Oh yeah, and all women are gay themselves, or hopelessly in love with a gay man. Yes, the things Will & Grace taught America!
  • anastasjoy · 11 months ago
    I know a lot of gay people. Here's their lifestyle; they get up, they go to work. They do their job. They come home. They make dinner. They watch TV or visit with friends. On Sunday, many of them come to our church. Some work in our community garden growing food for the homeless and hungry. Where's the problem?
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 11 months ago
    Sounds like Cynthia Endo needs to go back to 7th grade. She is clueless.
  • Queer Canuck · 11 months ago
    Mormonism is a lifestyle. Gay...not so much.
  • AdmNaismith · 11 months ago
    Write gay somewhere on the form, anyway.
  • Rob Mule · 11 months ago
    Isn't there usually a write-in box for "other" in the racial category? "Gay" could be written there...
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    She needs to resign. The fact that she dismisses us is an attempt to say we do not exist, so why give us credence, or rights or marriage? Her list may be quite long with reasons to keep us out. Perhaps, we should start protesting this bad call and her poor choice of "life-style". It is obvious she is bigoted and it has influenced her decision to remove us. She doesn't want any data accumulated about us, period. People might learn how many are affected by discrimination from the majority and this government. With enough flak going her direction, she may need to change it. This is just one more slight aimed at the gay and lesbian community by this administration, I'm sorry to say. I thought, with the change of administrations, this would stop. Obama or his staff need to come down on her like an avalanche.
  • oh_yeah · 11 months ago
    While I agree that enumerating gays on the census is a priority, as an aside, in 2000 I did talk to a census taker about adding a question on handedness, as in left-, right-, or mixed-handed (he said he'd pass my suggestion along). The problem is that there is no standard; there are folks who really are not sure which hand is dominant for them, or how to describe their handedness. But it's another group that IMHO is undercounted and could benefit from being recognized via enumeration.
    i.e.,
    Q. Which hand is your dominant hand? or Which hand do you use for most tasks?
    Choices: Right, Left, Mixed, No answer
  • Butch1 · 11 months ago
    With which hand to you write? This is most likely the hand the brain would choose. Of course with everyone typing now days, that probably wouldn't work too well. ;-)
  • Hardy Haberman · 11 months ago
    I have always written in "Gay" somewhere on the census form. The problem is how many people would be affraid to disclose their sexual orientation. Heck we all know nobody lies about sex, right?
  • BloggerDave · 11 months ago
    A minority that isn't counted doesn't exist and writing 'gay' on the form does not do anything unless someone is told to count it.

    John, who should we be writing to?
  • Robert · 11 months ago
    We need to have the public stop labeling us, and start idenifing ourselves as American people being discriminated agaist.

    They need to do a complete and fair count of each group of people in this country.

    It would be amazing to fine out just how many of us really exsist in this country alone.
    Back in the 1970's our population was estimated at 10%, but today with the LGBT grouping us all together we should make up 15 to 20 % and if this is true then Government has to make great changes to represent us correctly and fairly. They may know this and that may be why they dont want to count us. If true; we need more representation or we are not suppost to be taxed. (Money Talks) This will definitly get things moving for us. Know your rights and stand up for them Idenify yourself as an AMERICAN with the same rights as everyone else in America. Remember the Haters labeled us and invested billions into idenifing us as the group to hate; they will not recieve the support when they want to hate Americans. DON"T LET THEM LABEL YOU. You are human and equal in all aspects. Everyone needs to learn how to protect themselves until the laws are in place, so go out and purchase that firearm and go to the shooting ranges and learn how to use it. Hate groups are on the rise and as we fight for our rights they will target us. Stand up and be counted write your represenitives requesting a true count.
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    It's biogotry, pure and simple.

    Please note, however, the ethnic/racial categories are counted and count for poltiical issues. My advice? Check "Other" and write in "Irish" or "Ellis Islandish" or "Vampire" or "North American" or even "Mayflowerish."
  • Indigo · 11 months ago
    . . . or "Gay."
  • judybrowni · 11 months ago
    My guess is that she's a Bush regime holdover, a rethuglican cult leader and she doesn't want to count teh gays for the same reason they didn't want to count illegal aliens: if there's no idea of how many in a group, government funding and other acknowledgement's of their reality can't be used to legitimize that group.

    Gays are inivisible, non-existent: therefore we need'nt worry about any "rights" for the ghosts.
  • Patrick ONeill · 11 months ago
    If we were smart, we would organize a public campaign to encourage all gays and allies to refuse to participate in the census.
    They have a lot of trouble getting co-operation anyway, and a lot of Democratic politicians are dependent upon us being counted.
    If we let them know that their policy would cause a lot of non-co-operation, I am pretty sure they would relent and change this policy.
    We do not need to blindly co-operate with these people.
  • Lisa · 11 months ago
    Why wouldn't you get a campaign going to encourage all married gay couples to mark themselves as married on their census questionnaire? Just tell the truth. Tell them you're married if you're married.
  • Nikki · 11 months ago
    Because the US Census Bureau has stated it will CHANGE our responses, should we married same-sex respondents dare to answer truthfully, to read "unmarried, living together". So what good is it for us to answer the census forms honestly if the the census bureau is planning to arbitrarily changer our status from married to unmarried? I think civil disobedience is the only way to get their heads out of their asses, frankly.
  • FunMe · 11 months ago
    Did she forget the latino lifestyle?
    Geez, should I wear a sombrero and have next to me a tequila.

    And she wonders why people call her a stupid b****!
    Geez!
  • LimaBN · 11 months ago
    But if we start gathering real-world information,
    the actual facts would be inconvenient, especially to those of us whose religious values are so deeply held that they cannot be allowed out into the daylight.
    Best to just keep clenching everything real real tight so nothing ever gets out. Right, Father?
  • TW · 11 months ago
    Wow, don't they know the difference in meaning between "treat/count as a marriage for some purpose" and "count"?
  • Scott · 11 months ago
    I sent this to the email addresses posted (pio@ & Cynthia.R..@)
    ====
    Hi,

    I won't be participating in the 2010 census because it will be a
    useless tool for solving many of our problems, with flawed data.

    I understand that people in same-sex marriages or domestic
    partnerships are expected to enter "unmarried partner". Further down
    in the form, questions about health insurance ask how someone obtains
    insurance. Of the 8 choices, the only option for a person insured
    because of membership in a same-sex union (marriage, civil union,
    state-recognized domestic partnership, or employer-recognized domestic
    partnership), is "Any other type of health insurance or health
    coverage plan – Specify". However, there are 2 options for medicare,
    one for Indian Health Service, and two kinds of military-provided
    options.

    This is because we are not recognized as family members and therefore
    cannot check "Insurance through a current or former employer or union
    (of this person or another family member)." If my partner checked
    this option, the Census would assume he's getting benefits from one of
    his parents even though he's too old for that.

    If the Census wants accurate data to solve America's problems with, it
    needs to ask accurate questions to begin with.

    This is especially galling because apparently in 2008 the marital
    history section was reviewed so that in questions 20-22 you are asking
    how many times someone has been married, when the (last) marriage was,
    and whether they are widowers or divorcees.

    Newt Gingrich can enter that he was married three times and divorced
    twice, most recently married in 2000. You can find out that his
    previous wife may or may not have health insurance since she was
    divorced because she had cancer, so she can no longer get health
    insurance get from his employer. What you learn about me from Census
    2010 is that I live with a legal stranger who gets health insurance
    through the power of voodoo. I'm sorry, he gets it via "other -
    specify".

    You may even spend my tax money to target me and my partner for
    marriage (TwoOfUs.org for example) after incorrectly identifying my
    demographic in the 2010 census. I'd find that highly insulting.

    Sincerely,
    -Scott
  • alex · 11 months ago
    frankly this seems like something they'll be able to fix in their imputations. i mean how hard can it be to code same sex unmarried partners as gay?
  • ChicagoKid · 11 months ago
    Maybe I'll write "Likes Cock" in pink highlighter on my census form.
  • Dot McMurtray · 11 months ago
    It's not a "lifestyle", it's my LIFE
  • Daryl · 11 months ago
    Offended at 'GAY' being described as a lifestyle, I wouldn't know about that, but I sure am tired of having gay being compared to being Black or Latino. The evidence for the distinction is right here in some of these posts. Many people will not disclose their sexual orientation, so no one knows whether they are gay or not, nor should it matter.
    On the other hand, trying to be White while the census taker is looking at your Black face, is a whole 'nother matter.
  • jay · 11 months ago
    Do you understand what the word, "compare" means? It means: to take two different items and show similarities and differences.
    I don't know anyone who thinks that being gay and being black (or asian or latino) are EXACTLY the same thing. But there are similarities. And differences. Many intelligent and reasonable people can see that there are similarities when disparate groups are denied rights simply for being who they are.
    Sad that you are so hung up on wallowing in your own disenfranchisement that you can't walk a mile in someone else's shoes.
  • Nikki · 11 months ago
    Well said, Jay...bravo!
  • Frank H. · 11 months ago
    Every Gay,Lesbian,Bisexual, Trans persons need to make sure they write exactly who they are on the Census.
    If you have a Life Partner (Make absolutely sure they know who both of you are) Clearly list it yourselves as Life Partners.
    Even if you don't have a partner (Make sure it is clearly stated what your life is)
    It is time we all start fighting for rights. We no longer march on washington, we do nothing we just stay quiet and let them do whatever they want and say whatever they want. It is time for no more MR. or MRS. Nice Gays..... IT IS TIME TO FIGHT AND STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS...... WE MUST ORGANIZE! WE HAVE TO DO THIS, OR WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET!!!!! This can no longer be an option, or a fleeting thought. We need to do whatever it takes to get change to happen. Obviousily sitting back and being nice little quiet gays is not working. I DON'T CARE IF ALL THE GAYS NEED TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND BLOCK THE MAJOR HIGHWAYS.... WE MUST START DOING THINGS AND CONTINUE TO DO THEM OVER AND OVER, UNTIL IT STARTS TO SINK IN THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.. tHIS IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US. YOU CAN'T JUST GO TO A BAR EVERYNIGHT OR STAY IN YOUR HOMES AND FIGURE SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT. THIS IS THE FIGHT OF OUR LIFE....... WE MUST UNITED AND FIGHT DAMMIT........IT IS NOW OR NEVER! iTS TIME WE ARE ALOUD TO LIVE OUR LIVES IN A COUNTRY WE HELP PAY FOR. iF OUR MONEY IS GOOD ENOUGH, THEN SO ARE WE. THE PARTY IS OVER........................
  • Nick C · 11 months ago
    Religion is a lifestyle choice, isn't it? And we ask that, correct? And aren't our jobs lifestyle choices, when we come down to it? Talk about a false dichotomy, Ms. Endo. Believe it or not, you can create "the numbers" on lifestyle choices, just like anything else. (And of course, this is debating Ms. Endo on her own ground, ignoring the patent fact that sexuality is no more a lifestyle choice than handedness or personality.)