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AMERICAblog: US military chief seems to question wisdom of having elections, or he's campaigning for McCain

  • Nigel Elliott · 1 year ago
    So while the military is fighting for democracy in Iraq, Bush can dissolve it at home? Mullen needs to be relieved of his command immediately.

    SHOCKER: Army Ranger killed in Afghanistan -- on 7th tour
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/2/104634/4...

    Video: The Empire Strikes Barack!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8lvc-azCXY
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    sounds like he's making the case for McSame as bush.
  • Truthmann · 1 year ago
    I think you guys are missing the point. I think what Mullen is saying is that the military might decide to oppose what the president (presumably a Democrat --that what poses the problems for the military) tells them to do.
    Imagine if Obama is president and tells the military to leave Iraq immediately and they refuse. Then you have your banana republic. And I think that is exactly the rough transition that Mullen is talking about. He also mentioned that the military brass has been talking about how they will handle this transition. I think that talk is about whether or not they should obey the orders of the President... or whether they should simply do what they want. After all, who can stop them?
  • Truthmann · 1 year ago
    Maybe telling the troops about this ROUGH "TRANSITION" ahead is really just putting them on notice that the military is going to take over if Obama or Clinton is elected.
  • gonzalez · 1 year ago
    At no time, members of the military get involved with the elections. Who do these people think they are? What kind of country are we living in? A dictetorship? This idiot is campaigning for McCain. He is trying to get the people scare. Some one should call him on it.
  • lynchie · 1 year ago
    I continue to be intrigued by the Military Chiefs who now seem to decide policy. Their job is to carry out the missions determined by the President and Congress. They do not decide policy, they do not get involved in democracy, simply put they are employees of the people of the United States. I do not want to hear their view on anything but what they need to accomplish the mission and how best to keep our men and women serving in the military safe.
    Bush has abdicated his responsibility by continually saying he will do what his military leaders tell him--talk about a Banana Republic he has acted as he has in every job he every was appointed to---do nothing and see how it turns out, appoint a bunch of friends you can blame for the disaster when it occurs and stay on holiday as much as possible. Mullen needs to be relieved of his command or sent to our base in Antarctica where he can contemplate how best to keep his ass from freezing.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    "only a white man who calls his wife a cunt and Vietnamese people gooks can protect us"-Michael Mullen
  • slappymagoo · 1 year ago
    When I hear comments like this, I start to wonder/worry high-ranking members of the military are prepared, not to stage some sort of banana republic coup, but to just let something effed up happen to those who have sworn more allegiance to the Republican brand than the flag can tell the American public "ya see? We warned you..."

    Someone need to remind this soldier boy he's supposed to work for American, not the GOP
  • DickJones · 1 year ago
    Obama is dangerously inept and the military is afraid he might win.
  • shhhh · 1 year ago
    Another fearless leader heard from, I suppose.

    What he is really saying is democracy is just too inconveniently unstable for him to do his job.

    It's wierd, since 911 I actually have grown to fear my own leaders more than anything else.
  • Ripley · 1 year ago
    I agree about the tone of " no elections!" in the opening statement, but I think you're missing the greater point. What stands out to me is, "How does what we're talking about right now..."

    Call me paranoid, but... WTF are they talking about now that's going to be a problem for the next President? This bodes not well.
  • KYRepub · 1 year ago
    I'm pretty sure he's just trying to state the obvious. You don't have to be a military expert to realize if a Democrat gets into office, and keeps any of the promises they are making (which is unlikely), it will open the doors up for any number of attacks on the homefront. I think everyone should be glad they understand this and are putting forth an effort to prevent anything from happening. Especially if Obama wins, dear God help us all!
  • DCinDC · 1 year ago
    No he sounds like he knows that Cheney and Bush might suspend the elections and make the United States a dictatorship.
  • KansasModerate · 1 year ago
    As you often do, Aravosis, you've added two and two and come up with five as your answer. You really had to scrape the bottom of the barrell to find a story you could twist into an attack on the U. S. military and the Republicans' apparent nominee for president. And, believe me, when you dreamed this one up you sure picked the wrong guy to cast as the villain. Admiral Mullen is no doubt the last man who'd subscribe to the view you accuse him of.

    The National Command Authority constantly works on a variety of scenarios to determine, among other things, when the command structure must be especially alert. There are often periods when the country is more vulnerable than other times. There are a lot of reasons why the weeksright before and right after an election require a heightened military vigil. AND ONE OF THE REASONS ISN'T THE TOP MILITARY OFFICER'S OPPOSITION TO HOLDING AN ELECTION. AND ONE OF THE REASONS IS NOT TO CREATE FEAR TO HELP OR HURT A POLITICAL CANDIATE OR PARTY.

    There is a legitimate concern that a terrorist or a group of terrorists might attempt an act of terrorism close to the election in hopes of influencing the election. And since everyone involved is human, the transition from one administration to another is time when government staffs are distracted.

    And Inauguration Day -- when most of the elected national government and many of the governors, along with the senior military leadership, Supreme Court justices, et al, are assembled outside the Capitol -- poses nightmare scenarios for those who have to plan for the worse.
  • OleHippieChick · 1 year ago
    No it sounds like he's projecting. HE probably won't have a job and he's shitting a brick, the scumsucker.
  • MiamiDude · 1 year ago
    John, glad to see that you regarded this story as potentially ominous as did I yesterday when I first read it; indeed, I read the same paragraphs three times to try and squeeze out some "redemption" for his comments that didn't scare the shit out of me.

    I am even more alarmed since I wasn't quite attuned to the nuance as was "Truthman" in his comment above: "I think you guys are missing the point. I think what Mullen is saying is that the military might decide to oppose what the president (presumably a Democrat --that what poses the problems for the military) tells them to do.
    Imagine if Obama is president and tells the military to leave Iraq immediately and they refuse. "

    I now see Mullen's comments as an attempt at the "first shot - literally - over the bow" of an Obama administration. Although after eight years of the Cheney/Bush Cabal and considering that the state of support - even amongst the rank 'n file military - is so low for any of the neocon agenda or its sub-plots, there may be reason to hope for mass disobedience in any participation of such an attempted coup.
  • gwpriester · 1 year ago
    KYRepub - Can you honestly say we are safe under Bush and Cheney? If so you must really be living in fantasy land. All Bush and Cheney have done is to increase hatred for the United States in the middle east and around the world. If Iraq is any indication of this administration's ability to fight terrorism and to make the United States safer, then heaven help us. The situation over there is so out of control, and instead of ridding the world of terrorists it has proved a breeding ground for more terrorists.

    And where is Bin Laden? Do you think Bush and Cheney really want to capture him? If they do, then why haven't they? You probably think it has something to do with the Democrats because comments like yours lead me to believe that you think the whole mess in Iraq and Afghanistan is the fault of the liberals.

    Wake up man.
  • donotmakemecomedownthere · 1 year ago
    "The transition is unlikely to be smooth, predicted Mullen..."

    Does he predict that it will be "more smooth" or "less smooth" than the past five years have been?

    The man is whining to protect for his own selfish interests. His contract with the Military Industrial Complex might be terminated a year early. Boo-f*cking-hoo.

    "Heck of a job, Mikey!"
  • kevinbgoode · 1 year ago
    This sounds like a typically Republican statement. That party fluctuates between believing it governs by divine intervention and just natural entitlement, and their arrogance is so pervasive that they believe people should celebrate their existence and the privilege of serving their GOP masters in government (and, in this case, the military).
    Now, suddenly, as the GOP fear-and-smear machine kicks into high gear (cuz everyone knows they have nothing of substance to campaign on this year) we'll start getting the doses of fear from the entitled ones who will cling to power through multiple recounts if necessary. Just look at how the Washington governor's race played out last time, or how difficult it was to get rid of indicted Republican congressmen, or the way Republican senators caught soliciting prostitutes or toe-tapping their way to a toilet paper affair hang onto office like a royal dynasty. They don't believe they serve at the pleasure of the people - they believe they ARE the people, and the rest of us are just indentured servants placed on this earth to provide them comfort and luxury.
  • johnt66 · 1 year ago
    Why is this man even in the military, is this another plant from the seven sided building?
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    If the decisions they were making were GOOD ones, there would be no worries, now would there?
  • ImpureScience · 1 year ago
    "The transition is unlikely to be smooth, predicted Mullen, who assumed his position seven months ago for a two-year term. He said he hopes to offer a stabilizing influence as a military leader who will bridge two administrations."

    With perhaps a short period between administrations to re-establish stability...
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    With today's exchange rate at 154 USD to purchase 100 Euro, we qualify as a banana republic. We've seen snarky military men come and go but this is a little more seditious than usual. We've never had a military coup. That could be fascinating!
  • dula · 1 year ago
    KansasGullible
    I know it must be hard for you to read between the lines of our "leaders" since being a "Moderate" in this climate means you are afraid to take a stand in the direction of your country, but Mullen was saying that a new Administration, read:Democratic Admin., would hinder the Bush plans for the "War On Terror", read: Iran. Mullen is only trying to scare people like you into believing that Republicans are better on national defense. The same old shit.
  • JMOHR · 1 year ago
    The military should never be in a position of influencing an election in one direction or the other. We can see the impact of the statements and their obvious political tones through the comment of KYRepub. Frankly, KY just mouths Republican talking points with a direct slam at Obama. It is all well, it is his first amendment right. However, it is not Admiral Mullen's position to state anything that would impact upon the opinion of the voters concerning this policy issue. We have all heard the debate between those who believe that Iraq was justified and those who do not. We can debate it. The military is not entitled to propagandize it as we have already seen through their other activities. KAModerate uses the usual dodge of the right wing to justify their undemocratic and anti-American rhetoric. KA - I grew up during Nam. The fate of the entire far east and potential end of the free world with far more involved in terms of troops. Never heard any bullshit like that. Get real and support your country for once instead of trying to tear down our democracy.
  • CitizenX · 1 year ago
    Sounds like rhetoric setting the stage for "delaying" the election or inauguration to me.
  • GrahamCrackerDC · 1 year ago
    Let's not be paranoid. I think Mullen is just pontificating for show that he's on top of things and to send a signal to Obama and/or Clinton that they should keep him as chairman.

    For all the supposed partisanship of some of its leaders, the United States military is amazingly apolitical.
  • CitizenX · 1 year ago
    It's not his job to pontificate about his "boss". It is not his job to give aid and comfort to the enemy, to use the words of the shrub.
  • OneManComotion · 1 year ago
    I hope that Bush dosen't make some executive order that would keep him in power due to us being at war. You know how he can be about these orders.
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    I'm hoping for the best and that John is misinterpreting, not that the JCS chairman is Jack D. Ripper. Most other military brass say (albeit off the record) that our military is stretched so thin that we CAN'T fight another war.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    Oh good..yes let's do away with the elections right now, mister asshole joint chiefs chair...right...we are a fucking banana republic already...this will save us all so much time and bother. Crown the chimp emperor and we will be fine.

    It is time for a not so bloodless coup d'etat
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
  • 1BobbyBlue2 · 1 year ago
    Mullen's comments are merely Step 1. There'll be lots more of this, paving the way to the bombing of Iran (Step 2), leading the way to Bush announcing a "state of emergency" (Step 3), and, finally (Step 4), a Bush "postponement" of the upcoming presidential election.

    A number of you have said it -- it's time for the people to take their country back, or it soon will be too late. Impeach Bush and Cheney NOW!
  • KansasModerate · 1 year ago
    Hey, dula, no admiral can "scare" me into voting Republican. I will not, under any circumstances, vote for John McCain. The Repub,ican administration now in power is destroying our military by over extending it. The Aur Firce is especially in trouble. In order to hide the real cost of the war in Iraq, the administration is "stealing" from the Air Force and Navy budgets to transfer funds to the Army and Marines without having to ask Congress for more money. Some of the aging systems, tasked heavily to missions in the Middle East, are falling apart. At least one F-15 has broken up while in flight and many others have cracks, etc. Many of the C-130s ferrying trrops around the Middle East are actually being held together with baling wire and duct tape. A major portion of the bomber fleet is over 40 years old.

    BTW, I'm not really a "moderate". I'd like to call myself a "liberal" but real liberals don't want to be confused with the leftwing loons who produce blogs like Americablog and DailyKos and the leffwing loons who comment with juvenile logic, petty hatred and just plain lack of facts.
  • mike31c · 1 year ago
    What an Un-American Pig. Wearing the Uniform does not give you the right to disgrace the US Constitution nor does it gives you the right to call for a fascist state. I think it's best for you to resign Admiral... Now would be better instead of waiting for the Next President to fire your stupid ass.
  • Viceroy · 1 year ago
    Voters Trust McCain More than Either Democratic Candidate on Key Issues

    http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/poli...
  • Rab · 1 year ago
    Rasmussen is a load of crap.
  • SFTony22 · 1 year ago
    Could someone remind this guy that US held elections during the Civil War?
  • Bluebell · 1 year ago
    We are such lambs. You don't give 400 tax payer billions a year to an industry over generations and not expect that its constituents will coalesce into a self-interested defacto political party. How many speeches or easter egg hunts did Bush or Cheney deliver outside military bases over the last seven years? This industry is a snake in the attic, good for killing mice, but has grown fat and menacing with 'support the troops' budgets. You are naive and delusional if you think military pensioners and their younger more enthusiastic brothern do not mean harm to your democratic citizenship and constitutional principles. The proof is as large as the mouse sitting on your nose; the Pentagon was exposed in funding a campaign of media manipulation or otherwise spelled 'lying'. Am I the only one who is alarmed by an arm of the government using tax payer money to manipulate the truth? Another proof- how comfortable would you be in sending this post over the internet? Not very. This single minded political party, along with its supporting Blackwater corporate contractors has already escaped the snake box and the longer you fawn over your righteous cowardly yellow ribbons the tighter snakes like Mullen constrict. That US militarism already equates to fascism is a conclusion waiting for a knock on your front door.
  • KansasModerate · 1 year ago
    How many of those who seem ready to hang Admiral Mullen at sunrise tomorrow actually read his comments in the context he made them? And how many are posting comments based only on what John Aravosis posted.

    I know many more generals and admirals than I do enlisted men and women and in a 35-year association with the military, including access to several of the chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I never ever heard an officer of the United States armed forces object to free elections, even as a joke. After all, despite this blog's contempt for the military -- sadly echoed by most of you who add comments -- the men and women in our military are prepared to lay down their lives in defense of our freedoms. Including the right to vote!
  • DougStamate · 1 year ago
    The military, especially those appointed to positions such as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, are supposed to remain "above" politics. Usually that is true. This is simply another example of what happens when, as GWB has, you promote second-level (at best) members of the military.
    As to the elections being a time of vulnerability, that is always true. We have elections in November, but the incoming administration doesn't come to power until January. Those three months are the period the Admiral is undoubtedly referring to; when any moves of the outgoing administration may, rightly, be viewed as attempts to limit the new administration's ability to implement their plans.
    It is also possible, considering who appointed him, that he is attempting to do a little bit of politicking for the Republicans.
  • Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago
    Wow what a load of Crap.
    I guess it is nothing new to this Bog putting words in peoples mouths and all.
    Were is it that this Mullen, is saying that we should stop the elections?
    I figured most of the reactions would be what they are: Rather Normal from this blog.
    "He Must Resign NOW!"
    IMPEACH HIM!
    What a NAZI!
    What fucking trash is all I can say about it.
    He is a Military man and he will follow the orders of the President and all officers appointed above him. As well as supporting and protecting the Constitution of the USA this is the oath he took and the same one that I took.
    To put words in his mouth like this is beneath any person of respect.
    But it dose say a lot for how much respect you have for the people who fight to defend your right to drag them down with crap like "sounds a little bit like he's questioning the fact that we're having elections"
    I would be resentful but this is what I have come to expect so I have no real feeling about it at all.
    you better just hope that people like him are still around when some one is trying to take your freedoms away.
    I know for a fact he will still be there willing to fight to defend them. Regardless of the crap you say about him and all of us people who were a uniform.
    Daniel McGillis HM2 (Thats Hospital Corpsman Second Class) United States Navy (Ret.)
  • MorgaineSwann · 1 year ago
    Bush has set the groundwork for establishing martial law in this country. It's entirely possible he could suspend the election and stage a military coup. It happens all over the world - the idea that it can't happen here is an outdated illusion. I even recall some Congressman being quoted as saying the possiblity is one of the reasons they wouldn't move to impeach Bush.

    I will breathe a huge sigh of relief when I see that man exit the White House - and I'm not convinced that is as inevitable as we would like to think.
  • mirth · 1 year ago
    The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff does not make off-the-cuff statements. More likely, Mullen is introducing rhetoric that gets the citizenry accustomed to certain scenarios, to get us used to possibilities such as suspension of elections or, perhaps, a military coup.

    This is goddamn scary.

    Mullen should be hammered with questions, for clarification, by a watchful media. And he should be fired.

    Fat fucking chance that either will occur.
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    Or that only a Navy man like McCain can keep these wars going. Or you may be right; we will in the middle of attacking Iran at that time.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    O/T The Kantor tape was doctored. Some scary stuff going on.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Pen...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Nigel, that "Empire strikes Barack" you tube was a riot!
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    If I thought Hillary would be the next prez? I say suspend the elections now!
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    The Iranians know that the time to blockade the Straits of Hormuz is right before the election. The best blockade is a couple of torpedoed tankers. Iran is already fighting us in Iraq. They won't let Bush leave office without trying to teach him a lesson.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    The Admiral must be a democrat. I can see why he wouldn't want elections. Party split in half. But, look at the bright side; most republicans wouldn't want to sit at the same table with McWeasel...