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AMERICAblog: Vatican wants gays to be criminals -- and apparently think it's okay when nations execute gays

  • RepubAnon · 1 year ago
    God was just kidding about that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" stuff... funny, isn't it, how God used such clear language in the commandments, yet the anti-gay stuff is all stated by vague implication. Almost like God didn't even really mean his words to be taken that way.
  • ndtovent · 1 year ago
    Yeah, Benedict (Arnold) VI is a big ol (closeted) prada wearin queen, as homophobic as he is queer. Old news. It's no wonder the catholic church is losing members like rats off a sinking ship, and never even comes close to meeting its recruitment quotas.
  • Scott · 1 year ago
    What do you expect from the former Hitler youth?

    The hilarious thing is if the Vatican were to ever come under attack, the scene would look like a real-life Sodom and Gomorrah:

    Ancient sissies in their dresses and/or disco capes, screaming like girls and hanging onto their little preteen boy toys for dear life.

    Those old queens in their pretend country have no room to condemn gay people, because what they're up to is a million times worse than homosexuality.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The Vatican image machine has tried to warm up Joe the Rat for a while now with little effect.
    This Pope is a drag queen-esque retro-vestment laughingstock without even considering the black-rimmed eyes, humped posture and dirty, stained fingers...Pope Gollum the 1st!
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
  • mimart · 1 year ago
    Somewhat related:

    Christian university official arrested in gay sex sting

    http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/Christian_univers...
  • postdamnit · 1 year ago
    A criminal organization that should be banned and driven out of existence. They are protecting child molesters on all levels. Roger Mahoney in L. A. should be jailed for obstruction of justice in not turning over the information on the priest that he had said he would turn over.

    Total assholes.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    Here yee.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    Whoops. Hear yee.
  • cole3244 · 1 year ago
    if the vatican opposes the un de-criminalizing homosexuality why then didn't they let the authorities prosecute the priests that molested young boys, oh thats right this is religion and the catholic brand on top of that, hypocrisy and bigotry in its purist form thank you.
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    I like this comment appended to the ThinkProgress story:

    Catholics had a lot to do with the passage of Prop 8 in California. Here’s an idea for a new proposition: since there have been, ummm, problems with Catholic priests and children, let’s change the California constitution to read that Catholic priests must stay a minimum of 100 ft away from children at all times.

    Catholics: you wouldn’t argue with “the will of the majority” would you?
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    Or maybe we could make it a California state law. We have one that covers convicted pedarists so why not Catholic priests?
  • devlzadvocate · 1 year ago
    Catholic, Mormon, Muslim, etc. I see little distinction. Hate, exclusion, contradiction, repression, war - for the love of God. When I was a little kid, after I made my Catholic Confirmation, I asked my mother if I could stop attending catechism. She asked why. I told her that it was a lot of repetitious baloney and I wasn't learning anything and I hated it. I expected an argument. Instead, she said, "Ok, I didn't like it either."

    What a cool mom she was.
  • Gary SF · 1 year ago
    Words escape me on this one. I think that the Vatican needs to be charged with crimes against humanity in the 'World Court' Minimally this is racist in that the Vatican would rather see gays that are black and Arab in African countries killed that to allow them to marry. Oh, the resolution doesn't even mention marriage. What fucking scum.
  • justadood · 1 year ago
    to be honest, what more should be expected of a former Wermaacht soldier (and even though he denies, it, probably a Nazi), who served as chief cardinal in the office of the Inquisition? The Church has always been conservative, swinging between moderately conservative (John XXIII and Paul VI), to frothing-at-the-mouth reactionaries (like during the Reformation period, through teh heyday of teh Inquisition)..Right now we're seeing a more conservative period. Fortunately, these sorts of idiots are elected very late in life and reign for relatively short periods before they kick, then we're loft with another conservative asshole, probably.

    Religion is overrated..... Why can't I find such gullible people when i'm working in Sales? :-(
  • vkobaya · 1 year ago
    moderately conservative (John XXIII and Paul VI),

    John XXIII was a full blown liberal of the most progressive stripe which is why Ratman hates him so much. At Vatican II, he had invited Muslims, Buddhists and others to attend even the most serious discussions though they weren't allowed to participate. He had gone far beyond accepting the Orthodox churches to opening up the church to all. He was also very accepting of gays.

    Ratman needs to remember the accusations against Pius XII cooperating with the Nazis. He makes those seem true since the Nazis first exterminated the sick, lame, ill and weak then the gays. The Jews were the third group to be targeted for extermination.
  • Brad · 1 year ago
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/aug/17/rel...
    Now we know the memory of John XXIII deserves contempt.

    "The 69-page Latin document bearing the seal of Pope John XXIII was sent to every bishop in the world. The instructions outline a policy of 'strictest' secrecy in dealing with allegations of sexual abuse and threatens those who speak out with excommunication..."
  • Eyeball_Kid · 1 year ago
    Oh, this is great. The Vatican's assholes can go sit on a corncob. The Gutless Vatican didn't tell the US Bishops to denounce the Iraq War, did they? Even after John Paul II denounced the war as "immoral." Nothing was said. But, of course, Kerry shouldn't receive communion because he wasn't pro-life.

    They aren't moral authorities. They're moral snobs.
  • Brad · 1 year ago
    Like an ancient tiger that turns to easier prey, such as humans and especially children, this archaic structure needs to be dealt with.
    Waving their big cock-symbols wearing their big cock-head hats, what a bunch of evil pricks.
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    To say nothing of their dresses and Prada shoes.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Or the leather flagellorum.
  • RainbowPhoenix · 1 year ago
    They've gone to far with us this time. Next time the pope visits America, we need to take a page from the Australians. Use clean ones please.
  • Verchiel · 1 year ago
    Once again, a threat against faith invented where none actually exists. Big difference between being able to preach your tenets and morality from the pulpit, and being able to jail and execute people, don't you think?
  • LarryR · 1 year ago
    I'm not even going to read all of this - just comment. Is anyone surprised?
  • LeftCoastOracle · 1 year ago
    Dog forbid we discriminate against those opposed to gay marriage. Frankly I don't understand why any gay person would belong to such a repressive organization - either catholic or mormon. One victimizes young boys and the other young girls.

    What say we launch a campaign to boycott organized religion?
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    They're the spiritual equivalent of Log Cabin Republicans.
  • JamesR · 1 year ago
    Very 'Who Would Jesus Stone.' ...oh wait
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    That's right. They were going to stone Mary Magdalen for being a slut, and Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." And it would have shamed all those hypocrites into going home too, if the Blessed Virgin hadn't picked up that rock and stoned the bitch.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    Uh oh...we are criminals? Uh oh. Shall I name all the priests and bishops I've had my dick in?
  • RIPWAMU · 1 year ago
    That would be a best seller !
  • Mag7 · 1 year ago
    So that's why the pope 'forgot' to visit Boston on his last trip? And Bernard Law is the biggest criminal of them all!
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Yes, please. ;0)
  • red_dwarf · 1 year ago
    The minute this right-wing rat bastard Pope was elected I knew from the gitgo that he'd be a piece of shit - his background assured us of that. What a dick (no pun intended).
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Unlike Governor Schwarzenegger whose father was a Nazi, Ratzinger was himself a genuine Hitlerjunge. Heil Gott!
  • ianasdfg · 1 year ago
    Religion is a way for bad people to kid themselves they're good people.
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    That is a great quote and I WILL be stealing it!

    This applies to the Tom Delays of this world and all the Southerners in Congress, for starters.
  • RIPWAMU · 1 year ago
    I love it !!!!
  • BuddyNovinski · 1 year ago
    They've always wanted homosexual acts criminal, along with abortion, contraception, and divorce. These eunichs for the kingdom of heaven think that secular authorities should enforce their silly vows of celibacy.
  • gaiilonfong · 1 year ago
    Pope RATzinger NAZI the whatevuh is a closet case IMBECILE. He is surrounded by the Swiss Guard who are "THERE" for his every wish............The Catholic church knows its time is over and are struggling with how to TRY and become somewhat relevant again. All this gay bashing is cover for some other crap that they are trying to hide...that I am sure of it is the Catholic church MO.....bet on it...RATzinger is up to something else
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Ratzinger doesn't need the Swiss Guard. He's got Father Georg Gänswein.

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_b8cVMt5KsBc/RmhIooinbKI...
  • cmoorehead · 1 year ago
    When the Catholic church stops raping children and/or enabling it, they may be in a moral position to lecture others on how to live their lives.

    Still, Pope Nosferatu has a way to go before he'll reach the level of his exalted predecessors, like Innocent III. Caedite eos novit enim dominus qui sunt eius...
  • lilybart · 1 year ago
    If Italy executed gays, the Vatican would be short staffed. I had a friend who grew up in Perugia. He used to talk about the orgies at the Vatican "school" or whatever they call it, near his home town. Yes, friend was gay and had nothing to gain by lying to me. He was really quite shy so I believe him.

    The church can continue to excommunicate people, deny them communion, but can't we stop nations from killing them??? No? NOOOO??!!
  • Ixy · 1 year ago
    I believe that "school" would be called a seminary. So very appropriate.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    The Italian government would never dream of executing gays in the Vatican. That's because Vatican City is a separate country. SCV - Stato Citá del Vaticano - Vatican City State. It's all that's left of the Papal States. The Vatican must execute their own gays.
  • Georganne · 1 year ago
    OK, so where's the PERMANENT BOYCOTT AGAINST ALL THEIR BUSINESS INTERESTS that these assholes so richly deserve?
  • Georganne · 1 year ago
    No boycott, oh, because there are moderate and liberal Catholics among the assholes. Oh.
  • ShirleyGoodnessanMercy · 1 year ago
    Pope Benedict has a lot on his mind... like how to murder any other RC leaders who start thinking in pro-gay ways and start wanting to do something revolutionary like helping the poor, like the assassinated Pope John Paul I did.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Shirley you can't be serious! Pope Benedict would never involve himself in such matters. That's what the head of the Sacred Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith is for.... or whatever they are calling the Office of the Holy Inquisition these days. Ratzinger will have Cardinal Levada take care of it.

    If you haven't seen it yet, you would probably LOVE the movie "Religulous". In it Bill Maher interviews a number of braindead biblethumpers for laughs. He also finds some really interesting people like an American priest touring the Vatican. After getting thrown out of the Vatican, Maher interviews the priest in Vatican Square. Pointing to St. Peter's, Maher asks the priest if all this is what Christ had in mind. "Of course not" replied the priest with a laugh. He went on to catalog a list of ridiculous Catholic teachings. When asked by Maher if the older generation of Catholics would ever see things differently he replied, "Of course not. Let 'em die with their beliefs."

    I got the impression that the refreshingly honest priest believed that the younger generation of Catholics would be more open to what Christ really intended, but I don't necessarily share his sense of hope. Seems to me John Paul II and Pope Ratzinger have completely buried the reforms of John XXIII, and have appointed only the most constipated conservatives to various Church offices. The Church is growing more conservative by the day, and so are most observing Catholics I think, though happily their numbers are diminishing in civilized countries.
  • Johnnycakes · 1 year ago
    From The Devil's Dictionary:

    CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely
    inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor.
    One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not
    inconsistent with a life of sin.
  • AMERICAPHILE MINISTRIES · 1 year ago
    HOW IRONIC, GIVEN THAT THE ROMAN CHURCH HAS BEEN EXPOSED AS AN AGENT OF PIAPS!!!!!

    http://americaphile.blogspot.com/2006/12/pope-f...
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    I love the modern adoption of Soviet Newspeak by the "democracies". Want to start a war of aggression? Call it a "peace initiative". Polute the air? It's the Clear Skies Act. And No Child Left Behind. Just use the antonym and you will fool people. Unfortunately it works on millions of Americans and will work on millions of Catholics.

    Now, it is religious discrimination if you don't decapitate people I dislike. The Vatican seems to have been paying attention to the one-man "Catholic League" who says anyone who disagrees with the Church in any way is mounting a vicious anti-Catholic attack.
  • sdv · 1 year ago
    can't Ratzinger read his own catechism?
  • Richard Cesena · 1 year ago
    What many (most?) people don't seem to get is that being gay, and being a pedophile are very different.
    The Catholic church appears to be loaded with people who like having sex with children.

    Pedophile=A sick person who takes advantage of children
    Gay=A person who has consenting sex with adults

    See how it works?!
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Thank you! That is completely correct. And sadly, many a heterosexual male pedophile has engaged male children, as strange as that sounds. The Church likes to equate pedophilia with being gay because 1) they are very confused about sex and 2) it furthers their fallacious arguments against gay people and 3) their collective heads are up their gluteus maximæ.
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    I was about to rap your knuckles for that and tell you it was glutei, not gluteus. But then I reconsidered, thinking gluteus could be fifth declention or something weird like that, and the plural would also be gluteus.

    Just before I held out my own hand for a ruler thwack, I realized that gluteus maximus is masculine, and maximæ is a feminine plural.

    So there you are: my Latin grammar being at work, and my home computer being too damn slow to google a bit of Latin, I checked Miriam Webster's Third New International Dictionary. Glutei maximi. (Did you know there is also a gluteus minimus?)

    THWACK!
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Oh dear! Do I get any credit if I was referring to the feminine gluteus maximæ of Holy Mother Church? I know I wasn't thinking of glutenous maximi of the Immaculate Heart of Mary nuns, some of which weren't the least bit feminine. I'm sure I must have meant...... Oh, alright. I confess. I confess. I was stupid and lazy. But I did see her. I did... see........ her......... I............... Oh wait. That was Jenifer Jones in The Song Of Bernadette. Never mind.

    Is there really a geuteus minimus? Certainly not in our house.
  • RIPWAMU · 1 year ago
    Obviously the first thing that needs to be done is to remove the Vatican permanent observer to the UN. They cannot be allowed at the table if they are going to support and encourage human right atrocities.

    Then their tax exempt status should be removed and retro taxes paid for minimally this year. Then the FBI needs to investigate all cases of abuse and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law - for real now.

    Let's see what else? Oh yes, then the Secret Service needs to investigate all these Bishops, etc who are saying voting for Obama is a sin under domestic terrorism (putting terror and fear into members for going against the churches wishes) and hate crimes.

    One more thing - DHHS and CMS need to go after any religious affiliated hospital who refuses to provide or pay for FDA approved medications (birth control) and procedures (sterilization, abortions when mother's health is at risk). If they don't like it then they can sell those facilities (perhaps to the government).

    That is a good start for now ......
  • Mag7 · 1 year ago
    Marraige should be defined as being between two taxpayers. Since (in the US) there are tax advantages to being legally married, denying the privilege to anyone is inherantly unconstitutional. It was 'Taxation Without Representation' that led those Massachusetts Liberals back in 1776 to fight for their dignity. And while we're at it, let's tax the damn churches already, and for good sake, smack a nun over the knuckles with a yardstick.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    To be fair, I was never smacked by a nun over the knuckles with a yardstick, nor did I ever personally observe it happening to anyone else in any of my parochial school classes. I've only observed the yardstick being used upon the buttocks, or upon a desk. Pointers were sometimes used upon the knuckles, but generally they were smashed against the blackboard or upon the artistic rendition of the poor souls burning in Purgatory that was located upon the easel next to the statue of The Little Flower. It was almost always the ruler that was used by the Sisters of Mercy to bloody the knuckles of the wayward. The Immaculate Heart of Mary nuns generally used metal-edged rulers because they were usually attached to parishes that could afford them. However Sister Benedict preferred to reason with her pupils by taking them into the hallway and slamming them repeatedly against the wall. She eventually had a nervous breakdown and was confined to Saint Cecelia's Home For The Permanently Menopausal In Christ.
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    For those who, like myself, have not had the joy of attending Catholic school, and who think my dear friend RitornaVincitor is exaggerating, my ex-Catholic husband has similar stories that would raise your hair if not your gorge.

    He was branded as a mortal sinner because he refused to become an altar boy after hearing from those who did about Father's tendence to genuflect before them in the vestry.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Oh, wmforr, I'm truly sorry to hear about what that priest was doing. And no, as you said, I'm not exaggerating at all. I was one of those whom our 5th grade teacher Sister Benedict slammed repeatedly against the wall in the hallway day after day. In my case it was because my mind was "out the window". Maybe I was depressed? Naaaaa. What would a Catholic kid have to be depressed about?

    But actually I did exaggerate. Sister Benedict was never confined in a home for the permanently menopausal, and as far as I know there is no such place. I just made it up. She was actually locked up in the State mental hospital. They probably had a special wing for nuns.
  • LanceThruster · 1 year ago
    I'm an ex-Catholic to atheist who's never looked back. It's stuff such as this that only confirms it for me.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Remember when atheists were considered God haters and anti-American? Now they're viewed as independent thinking and fun to be around.
  • irishwitch · 1 year ago
    DIwn here in the Evangelical South, they still are. And as a Wiccan, I am considered even worse--a screaming baby-killing, cat-murdering Satanist.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Well come on out to California. We love cats and atheists!
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Isn't the Vatican just the light of the world?! Lovely folks. Just lovely. It kind of reminds me of our beloved Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas, both Catholics, who voted to uphold the Texas anti-sodomy laws and send that gay couple to jail because to do otherwise would pave the way for that horror of horrors known to pagans as "gay marriage". Yes, several of our benighted legal system's most august sided with the great and glorious State of Texas in saying that the police were within their rights to arrest that gay couple that was having illegal sexual relations in the privacy of their own home. The police were correct to break down the door after someone had phoned in a false burglary report, and they were right to arrest the long-time couple after discovering them engaging in unlawful oral sodomy in the bedroom of the home they jointly owned. Sodomy was, after all, illegal in Texas for any couple, regardless of gender, though the law was only enforced against same-gender couples. And Scalia, speaking for himself, Rehnquist and the ever silent Thomas, was correct to issue one scathing attack after another against his fellow Jurists for striking down the Texas anti-sodomy law because, as we all know, it violated both Biblical principals and Church law. Sending that gay couple to jail would not only have been just in the eyes of God, it would have preserved the sanctity of marriage which was pre-ordained by the Creator Himself before the foundation of time, and set forth in the U.S. Constitution by God almighty through his only beloved son Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior who, together with the Holy Ghost liveth and reigneth with Him in Heaven forever and ever through ages of ages, Amen!

    Should "almighty" be capitalized?
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    And let us not forget Senator Man-on-Dog Santori, who pointed out that leagalizing gay sex would open the floodgates to a national fad of screwing animals. He conveniently did not point out that, although oral and anal sex were illegal in Texas, the bestiality law had been repealed some years earlier, and so far no heifers had complained.

    By the way, RitornaVincitor, I am a big fan of your wit, wisdom, and breadth of knowledge. Particulary the wit.
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    How very sweet! But we are forbidden special relationships. Why do you think we scrub the floors in threes? This is a sin against the Rule. Now in the next Chapter of Faults I shall have to throw myself prostrate before Mother Superior and all my sisters and denounce myself for sinning against Humility. And in charity I shall have to denounce you for talking during Grand Silence, for failing to kiss the hem of the Mistress of Novices as she passed by, and for... Oh wait. That was Audry Hepburn in The Nun's Story. Never mind. In that case I can tell you that I'm a big fan of yours as well.

    As for Senator Santori, I suspect it would more likely be Dog-on-Man. He's such a bitch.
  • P J Evans · 1 year ago
    They seem to be fond of the Middle Ages. Would they prefer burning gays at the stake, or hanging, drawing, and quartering them?
    (I suspect most Catholics in the US are more enlightened than the near-fossils at the Vatican.)
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    Well, to be fair, the Vatican didn't execute any of the gays killed by the Inquisition. They tried and tortured them, yes. But they then turned them over to local executioners to be burned or what have you, sometimes in great festivals called an "Auto da Fe", a term derived from middle Spanish meaning "Act of Faith". And the Church could be merciful. For example, if the gay person was either repentant or cute enough, he could be strangled before being burned. And all that ended in 1834. The Church is much more liberal now, preferring to drive young gay people to suicide.
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    Now you did it. I can't get the music out of my head from the Sondheim/Bernstein song: "What a day, what a day for an auto-da-fé! It's a lovely day for drinking and for watching people die!"
  • wmforr · 1 year ago
    And my car salesman keeps singing: "What a deal, what a deal on an automobile."

    And my self-taught student keeps singing: "What a fact, what a fact for an autodidact."
  • RitornaVincitor · 1 year ago
    ROTF!! Well, touché, because now you've got me singing the Inquisition song from History of the World Part I.

    The Inquisition (Let's begin)
    The Inquisition (Look out sin)
    We have a mission to convert the Jews (Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew)
    We're gonna teach them wrong from right.
    We're gonna help them see the light
    and make an offer that they can't refuse. (That those Jews just can't refuse)
    Confess, don't be boring.Spanish Inquisition
    Say yes, don't be dull.
    A fact you're ignoring:
    It's better to lose your skull cap than your skull (oy govalt!)
    The Inquisition (what a show)
    The Inquistion (here we go)
    We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
    But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!

    "I was sitting in a temple. I was minding my own business.
    I was listening to a lovely Hebrew mass.
    Then these Papist persons plunged in and they throw me in a dungeon and they shove a red hot poker up my ass.
    Is that considerate? Is that polite?
    And not a tube of Preparation H in sight!"

    "I'm sittin' flickin' chickens and I'm lookin' throught the pickins' and suddenly these goyim pull down valls.
    I didn't even know them and they grabbed my by the stoghum and started playing ping pong with my balls!
    Ooh, the agony! Ooh, the shame!
    To make my privates public for a game?"

    The Inquisition (what a show)
    The Inquisition (here we go)
    We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
    But the Inquisition's here and it's here to-
    "Hey Toquemada, walk this way."
    "I just got back from the Auto-de-fe."
    "Auto-de-fe? What's an Auto-de-fe?"
    "It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway."
    Will you convert? "No, no, no, no."
    Will you confess? "No, no, no, no."
    Will you revert? "No, no, no, no."
    Will you say yes? "No, no, no, no!"
    Now I asked in a nice way, I said, "Pretty please."
    I bent their ears, now I'll work on their knees!
    "Hey Toquemada, walk this way. We got a little game that you might wanna play, so pull that handle, try you're luck."
    "Who knows, Toq, you might win a buck!"

    "How we doin', any converts today?"
    "Not a one, nay, nay, nay."
    "We flattened their fingers, we branded their buns!
    Nothing is working! Send in the nuns!"

    The Inquisition, what a show.
    The Inquisition, here we go.
    We know you're wishin' that we'd go away!
    So all you Muslims and you Jews
    We got big news for all of yous:
    You'd better change your point of views TODAY!
    'Cause the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!
  • Bubbles · 1 year ago
    I think the answer to your question is obvious - the prefer disembowelment.
  • athenap · 1 year ago
    Can we explode their heads if we confront them with an unborn child who's going to grow up gay?
  • Scott · 1 year ago
    Isn't that like waving a cake in front of Sally Struthers, and telling her "you can't have this!!"?
  • Maus · 1 year ago
    Actually what I think is interesting, is that in the medieval times, homosexuality while still considered a sin, it was a fairly minor one- like gluttony at a feast. I have even seen a plate from the late medieval time period that shows a monk with another naked man, and translated on it is "I am a monk, I affect a rabbit" It's been around forever-- but back than it was considered more of a sin that could be easily over looked- almost like modern day's white lies. while technically its bearing false witness... its not really considered bad at all. At least this is the information that I was able to glean. thank you Renaissance Magazine. To me, comparatively maybe we should go back to medieval mindset, it seems hell of a lot more tolerant than our current ones.

    As a catholic I cant say I'm terribly happy with the Vatican since the loss of John Paul- but I wont get bogged down in theological rants.
  • michaelTAtheist · 1 week ago
    First let's see the disgusting church arrest all their child-raping priests and abusive nuns. I think we need to start executing some of those people as it says to do in the bible . I PISS on the Katholickass church... the enemy of the Human race.