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kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

One of the funniest remarks in that "ad" is the woman who says she isn't frustrated or bitter, but finds her faith "uplifting." Well duh. "Uplifting" from what?
Maybe some frustration?

Tyke · 1 year ago

There are some good progressive women congress critters from NY. Can we start working now to recruit one of them to run against her in the primary for her Senate seat.

I will donate.

risa87 · 1 year ago

Where in the world did everyone get the idea that politics is not a contact sport?

John Aravosis · 1 year ago

Risa, if Obama brought up Monica and Bill's affairs, I suspect a lot of people would be outraged, no one would say "politics is a contact sport." Secondly, when you're attacking your own, at some point you can go too far. She lost the election two months ago. She's now simply trying to damage our nominee. She's running a kamikazee campaign. That isn't acceptable.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

I would not say that Hillary was a monster or even a demon but her true character in time becomes demonstrative.

HereinDC · 1 year ago

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And to think...when friends come to town...I would drive my friends up to the Clintons house off of Embassy Row ((Massachuetts Ave.) to show my friends where Bill and Hillary live.
Now I don't anymore....I'm actually ashamed of what the Clintons have become.
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risa87 · 1 year ago

South Dakota's primary isn't until June, so I still get to express my opinion. I can't know if it was Obama supporters on this and other websites that turned so nasty so soon against Clinton, but I'm firmly stuck in her corner.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

risa87 5 minutes ago 0 points

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South Dakota's primary isn't until June, so I still get to express my opinion. I can't know if it was Obama supporters on this and other websites that turned so nasty so soon against Clinton, but I'm firmly stuck in her corner.


And if Hillary became President, you'd be firmly stuck, again and again.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Big surprise.

Hillary's a dirt bag.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Tyke

There are some good progressive women congress critters from NY. Can we start working now to recruit one of them to run against her in the primary for her Senate seat.

I will donate.

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I like the way you think.

HereinDC · 1 year ago

risa87...

You're still firmly for Hillary EVEN AFTER she was exposed about the Bosnia lie? or should I say 3 lies...cause she did tell it 3 times.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

John, I know I'm asking for trouble here, since this blog has become incredibly intolerant of anything other than the most extreme sort of Hillary-bashing Obama loyalty, but can you please explain exactly how this ad is "vile, sickening, and filthy?" I mean, I agree that all this hoopla over Obama's "bitter" speech is overblown, to say the least, but really, this is a very mild ad and your characterization of it is WAY over the top. You've got to get a grip on yourself. To begin with, this kind of extreme over-reaction just plays into the increasingly widely-held perception that your main agenda is Hillary-hating. More important, if you actually think this ad is too hard on Obama, how do you think he is ever going to survive all the truly "vile, sickening, filthy" crap the Rethugs are going to throw at him in the general?

saml · 1 year ago

john is not over the top john knows, john loves his country.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

I know John loves his country, so what? Are you suggesting that Hillary doesn't? That I don't? That all those people in the ad don't? So, are you saying, support Obama (and John, I guess) unquestioningly, or you're unAmerican and unpatriotic? I mean, I like Obama, and I've been a big fan of John's for years, but I don't see where disagreeing with either of them makes me a bad person or a bad American, any more than the many political disagreements I've had with various family members make me any less a part of the family.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

peachkfc


Did you see or hear anything in that add that wasn't written with the reptilian side of the brain? Appealing to primal fears rather than reason ...vile

peachkfc · 1 year ago

So, you think all those voters in the ad are a bunch of reptiles? And with that attitude, you expect that you can convince them to vote for Obama when their preferred candidate is out of the race? What is the matter with you?????

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

peachkfc

So, you think all those voters in the ad are a bunch of reptiles?

Voters or actors. More shaping opinions than opinions themselves.
Video sleight of hand

saml · 1 year ago

hillary=yikes!!

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

John, I wouldn't say Hillary's running a "kamikaze" campaign so much as, still, a Hail Mary campaign. Stay in the game, fling as much poo at Obama as your little monkey butt can grind out, and hope that enough sticks that the supers (and maybe even the "pledged" delegates, who, as Hillary's people luuuuuv to remind us, can do whatever they damn well please) tilt in your favor. The longer it doesn't work, the more desperate she gets. She's starting to remind me of conversations I've had with lovesick friends, where the love's unrequited but they keep trying to come up with dream scenarios where it could still, possibly all work out.

of course, it's rare that the unrequited love comes from an entire significant chunk of the American people.

Either way, I agree that it's unacceptable.

and risa? One of the reasons politics is widely considered a contact sport, where anything goes, is because too many apathetic voters allow it to be that way. If the public shunned the politicians who engage in dirty politics, certainly didn't reward them with your vote, the s*** would stop tout suite. They do it because it works. It works because people like you let it work. What does it say about you? That you're a "realist?" Or that you're common? Weak? Unable to stand up for principles for which you believe by insisting your representatives live up to them?

You're wrong, it's the latter.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Red State Update on Obama's comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVC4JUg9A9A

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

risa87 6 minutes ago
South Dakota's primary isn't until June, so I still get to express my opinion. I can't know if it was Obama supporters on this and other websites that turned so nasty so soon against Clinton, but I'm firmly stuck in her corner.
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Risa, please don't blame your own political decisions on those around you in this blog or otherwise...you might sound like a little weak woman who couldn't make up her own mind...

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nicho · 1 year ago

peachkfc 2 minutes ago

John, I know I'm asking for trouble here, since this blog has become incredibly intolerant of anything other than the most extreme sort of Hillary-bashing Obama loyalty, but can you please explain exactly how this ad is "vile, sickening, and filthy?"

Because with every passing minute, it looks like Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee, no matter how deep Hillary dives into the cesspool. Every time Hillary goes negative on him with crap like this, it works against him -- thus increasing the chances that John McCain will get to name four Supreme Court justices.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

Sorry, that's just begging the question, i.e., apparently, in John's and your (and many other's) opinions, any criticism of or disagreement with Obama on any issue or for any reason by the Clinton campaign is all the same, it's all "cesspool" politics," and it's all unacceptable. That's simple-minded crap.

maxstar212 · 1 year ago

I thought this site was supposed to have something to do with Gay Rights and Actions, not it just seems to be an anti-Hillary Clinton site. I think a lot of Gay men support Hillary because she is better in the specifics of Gay rights. But it is not just the issues, it is a common theme that Obama does thinks that show his disdain for people in general, including Gay people and people in Middle America. If you turned it around and talked about minorities clinging to this and that you could be called racist. He certainly insulted me when he called what the Democrats did "the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s" and attacked those of us who spent College debating the Vietnam war and other issues of government. I did not like his embracing McGlurkin and his refusal to meet with the mayor of San Francisco or the Gay press in Pennsylvania because he didn't want to be associated with Gays. And I think saying middle america clings to religion and hatred of people who are different to them as offensive, even to someone like myself who has never been to a flyover state (or flyover part of the country like Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia or Lambertsville/New Hope area).
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Belinda · 1 year ago

maxstar212: "He certainly insulted me when he called what the Democrats did "the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s" and attacked those of us who spent College debating the Vietnam war and other issues of government."

Obama said no such thing. Contrary to the juvenile and bitter partisanship of Hillary, Obama actually wants to unify the parties. He is willing to work with reasonable Republicans and heal the divisive wounds from years of the hateful Clintons and Bushes. Obama was merely complimenting the ability of Ronald Reagan to encourage, motivate, and energize Americans:

"Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it"

risa87 · 1 year ago

Her experience, usually described here as pouring tea. And yeah, I would like to see a woman president in my lifetime. I would hope I'm wrong, but I don't think Obama would win against McCain. Listen to talk radio and you'll realize they're loaded for bear. They'd do the same to Clinton, but we know what crap they'll use against her (all they have to do is use "left-wing" websites as resource material). And finally, my response to all the ugliness generated against her was sympathy.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

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You know, I used to think that McCain is gaining in this entire war tween the 2 Dem's, but the more I have to put up with this pain, the more it looks as if it just might work in Obama's favor. So let's hold off with our death knells and see what happens after North Carolina.

Belinda · 1 year ago

And the Hillbots wonder why we will never vote for Billary. If by some bizarre scenario she is able to steal the nomination, every Obama supporter I know would rather give the Presidency to McCain than to vote for a sick swine like Hillary. She and her philandering husband can go to Hell. As corrupt as they are, they need to get the hell out of politics!

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

risa87 2 minutes ago
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IF feeling sorry for a candidate is what you look for in a Presidential candidate than knock yourself out, although I'm not sure Hillary would like the idea that it was not her 3 O'clock in the morning phone call answering ability or her mannish good looks, or her ability to fake shooting guns and swigging down Crown Royal (LOL) that got her your vote.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

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nicho 0 minutes ago
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You know, I used to think that McCain is gaining in this entire war tween the 2 Dem's, but the more I have to put up with this pain, the more it looks as if it just might work in Obama's favor. So let's hold off with our death knells and see what happens after North Carolina.

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He's definitely become a better campaigner and debater.

Hillary's throwing mud. Big deal, Hillary's always throwing mud.

She thinks putting her words in other peoples' mouths will insulate her this time, but it won't.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Bush_Bites 0 minutes ago
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Agreed!

moxiegrrrl · 1 year ago

Bitter Voters for Barack Obama!

http://www.bittervoters.org/

Come on, you knew it was coming ;)

risa87 · 1 year ago

Started out as a Clinton supporter, no one here or anywhere influenced my decision to support her. The vile, sickening and filthy has only reinforced that.

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

To all the Hillary-supporters, let me ask you this: Why is she investing so much time on anti-Obama ads? Why can't she her people produce ads that play up her actual strengths, rather than Obama's perceived or potential or dreamed-up weaknesses?

Oooohhhhhhhh...riiiiiight...contact sport...I forget.. Just because *I'M* looking for positive qualities in a candidate doesn't mean you all are.

For the record, I'll vote for anyone over 4 more years here 100 more years there McCain, but man, she does not make it easy, and I'm starting to wonder just how different things will be were she to get the gig. I seriously worry, not different enough.

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

risa, you're obviously not listening to the same talk radio, reading the same polls, living in the same reality everyone else is. While most polls have Hillary and Barack beating McCain in the general, Barack beats him more handily. He'd only lose if bitter a-holes who wanted Hillary to win refused to vote for Barack...

not that I'm pointing fingers or anything.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 2 minutes ago
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I have been voting for 36 years now and in all of those (loooong) years, I have never once seen an intra-party campaign as vicious and downright mean as this. It is painful for me (and many others) to watch, so we are expressing our discomfort and anger at what we are seeing being done within OUR party.

If you are not unhappy about what you see and how this is dividing our own party in a year where we should be winning by a landslide, than perhaps you need to take another look at it all. The Dem's should be way on top, but at this point this campaign has divided people so much that you and others are claiming the most calamitous of times.

We need to unite behind one candidate, many here find Hillary's tactics to be slanderous and untrue; so many are upset. It's simple really and we need to stop all of the bickering and stand behind OUR party and find out what is best for us and the nation!
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Belinda · 1 year ago

Polly_Tics: "We need to unite behind one candidate, many here find Hillary's tactics to be slanderous and untrue; so many are upset."

Tell me, if by some freaky scenario, Hillary was able to steal the nomination, would you seriously vote for someone so corrupt, ruthless, and despicable? I certainly wouldn't, nor would anyone I know Democrat or Republican. Therefore I totally disagree with your statement "We need to unite behind one candidate" if that person turns out to be Billary.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

It sounds like you and I are about the same age, I first voted in the 1972 election, so I understand some of where you're coming from. I don't want to get into a big discussion about the whole Obama vs. Clinton thing, partly because, frankly, I'm not overy thrilled with either of them for various reasons, so I don't have a big dog in this hunt right now. I agree that it's important that the party come together, but not at the expense of the process, I think that is absolutely crucial. Otherwise, whoever ends up as the nominee, a big part of the party is gong to feel screwed over, and that's far worse that some nastiness in this primary fight. I also think it is way to early to be getting so hysterical about "damaging" the party or the likely nominee, Obama. Anyway, the main point of my original comment was to call John out on what I truly believe is another example of his tendency to "crying wolf" over simply everything that comes out of the Clinton campaign; it is just not the case that everything they do is horrible, evil, and equivalently "vile."

peachkfc · 1 year ago

It sounds like you and I are about the same age, I first voted in the 1972 election, so I understand some of where you're coming from. I don't want to get into a big discussion about the whole Obama vs. Clinton thing, partly because, frankly, I'm not overy thrilled with either of them for various reasons, so I don't have a big dog in this hunt right now. I agree that it's important that the party come together, but not at the expense of the process, I think that is absolutely crucial. Otherwise, whoever ends up as the nominee, a big part of the party is gong to feel screwed over, and that's far worse that some nastiness in this primary fight. I also think it is way to early to be getting so hysterical about "damaging" the party or the likely nominee, Obama. Anyway, the main point of my original comment was to call John out on what I truly believe is another example of his tendency to "crying wolf" over simply everything that comes out of the Clinton campaign; it is just not the case that everything they do is horrible, evil, and equivalently "vile."

bumpkis · 1 year ago

RISA 87...your call obviously, but just to remind you, FOXNEWS has been bashing Obama non-stop...they were on WRIGHT again tonight...the GOP wants Hillary as their opponent...McCain's campaign is even laying off her now....

risa87 · 1 year ago

Can I not knock myself out until my hockey game is over? Or does that make me a bitter, weak asshole?

mimart · 1 year ago

John, you are right, this is a McCain ad but since it came from HRC, I think it might backfire on her because this ad only goes to show how desperate and out of touch she is - not Obama!

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Hillary Clinton is a vile, sickening excuse for a potential president. For those Clinton admirers, remember she started by saying people should vote for her or JOHN MCCAiN, She has done nothing but throw twisted nonsense at Obama since day one. I don't think defending yourself against attacks is vile, sickening or filthy. As one of the blogs said, John McCain can go on vacation until August because Hillary is doing all his work for him.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 0 minutes ago
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I don't see anyone in here saying you're not a good person for having your opinion on who you would like for President, but I do see people who are upset that many are getting nasty about Obama and claiming things that are really out of the Karl Rove's playbook.

We all have our own opinions about this and they are personal, so knowing that it might make for a better debate and conversation if yous tarted with what you like or didn't like about the policies of the candidates rather than how you think everyone stinks.

IT kinda closes conversation down very quickly...

peachkfc · 1 year ago

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, are you suggesting that I said something about how I think "everyone stinks?" I really don't think that's that case. My point was the exact opposite, that John's post called Hillary's ad and, by implication, Hillary herself, all kinds of nasty names with no explanation of the reasons he thought it was so horrible. And I don't know how often or how long you've been reading this blog, but plenty of people here attack each other as being not good people and idiots for supporting one candidate or another (Hillary supporters are giant bulls-eye targets.) There is seldom any discussion of any actual issues anymore, sad to say.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, are you suggesting that I said something about how I think "everyone stinks?" I really don't think that's that case. My point was the exact opposite, that John's post called Hillary's ad and, by implication, Hillary herself, all kinds of nasty names with no explanation of the reasons he thought it was so horrible. And I don't know how often or how long you've been reading this blog, but plenty of people here attack each other as being not good people and idiots for supporting one candidate or another (Hillary supporters are giant bulls-eye targets.) There is seldom any discussion of any actual issues anymore, sad to say.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Belinda 1 minute ago
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I never said I would vote FOR Hillary, I said we should try to be civil and unite together unlike the vision of Karl Rove. IF she manages to get the nomination this fall, I cannot in good faith vote FOR her, so I will write in Obama's name as a protest vote.

It's the best I can offer.

Belinda · 1 year ago

Polly_Tics "IF she manages to get the nomination this fall, I cannot in good faith vote FOR her, so I will write in Obama's name as a protest vote."

Sorry about the misunderstanding. We basically agree. I had not thought of a write-in. But regardless - I would never ever EVER vote for HIllary so in essence McCain can have the Presidency.

LunaStick · 1 year ago

Every day hillary shows that she deserves all the names thrown at her. I wouldn't vote for her against Bush at this point. Although let's all get real, the statements Obama made are not registering the way the hillary folks and MSM want it to.

risa87, please just look at hillary's negative numbers (compared to Obama and McCain who have positive numbers). How can you say she can win a general election when Obama cannot? I'd seriously love to hear your logic in this matter.

Belinda · 1 year ago

The day it was uncovered that Hillary had photo-shopped both Obama's skin color and nose size to appear more "negroid" in order to rile up racists against him - and the day that Bill Clinton guest-hosted the Rush Limbaugh program in order to stir up opposition to Obama ... on that day I knew I would never support another Clinton as long as I live. They are the slime of the Earth.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/why-is-obama...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...

PeteWa · 1 year ago

There is no way in hell I would ever vote for Hillary for anything - and I base this on her action or lack thereof while in the Senate.
This disgusting campaign she has waged is just icing on the cake.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Belinda 6 minutes ago
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You know we are on the same side, so it "might" be a good idea to embrace your fellow compatriots instead of dissing them because you don't like their phrasing.

Just a thought...

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

You know I asked someone this morning why they are voting for Hillary. I asked what did they admire about her and guess what, I never got an answer. It seems Clinton supporters are more than willing to throw insults at Obama but do little to tell me why they think Clinton would make a good president.

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

frankly, I'm not overy thrilled with either of them for various reasons, so I don't have a big dog in this hunt right now.

I hate to tell you this now but, one of your huntin' dogs is trying to rip the shit out of the best one you got!

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

unrepentant

:)

risa87 · 1 year ago

I threw an insult? Excuse me.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

Is there even a Democratic Party anymore? Why is Hillary Clinton able to destroy this party from the inside? I know when Republicans attack Democrats or when Republicans attacked Republicans, I always thought wow that is low down and cruddy. When the Democrats allowed Lieberman to crap all over the party I though well he is through as a Democrat because, the party leaders, insiders and voters will turn against him, but he was re-elected. When Pelosi was at the head of the table, I thought great now Bush had better watch his ass because impeachment is coming; well I had a better chance of winning a million dollars (non-elitist) than seeing impeachment hearings for Bush and Cheney. Now it is the Clinton's that get to completely make the party a distant memory. Hillary has chosen sides and she chose the people that have accused her of just about every crime in the criminal law code books above the very people that stood with her and Bill when they where drowning in their own filth. I will never vote for a Clinton again, not ever. I will in fact pass my hatred, (yes hatred, not even bitterness) of the Clinton's down through my family to make sure that their family legacy is never again connected anywhere to my family.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 3 minutes ago
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Bingo on 1972, it was a sad year in politics, but yes that was my first. As far as the rest of it all goes, well I think we all need to realize things are HOT & personal right now and every single time one of the candidates (I'm sorry READ Hillary) makes another accusation it sends folks through the roof.

I used to adore Bill Clinton and thought Hillary was a decent Senator FOR HER STATE as New Yawk seemed to love her (it was my home state but I left just before she ran, and I would have voted FOR her).

Now a days I am absolutely and totally sickened by what I have seen come from their side of the campaign. Look, I was an Edwards supporter since the beginning, but once he dropped out Obama was my choice.

So now that I (personally) am appalled at Hillary's tactics, I have chosen NOT to vote for her and you have another opinion, yes? So why not discuss the reasons why instead of attacking the people who.

It's also a good idea to let people vent when they are upset, it doesn't mean the world is coming to an end or that everyone thinks you are a terrible person; what it does mean is that we all are upset and polarized at the moment. And we should try to remember that we are supposedly "on the same side"....THAT should be helpful to discussion.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

NO, NO, NO, don't assume that because I call John (or anybody else) out on what I see as unfairness to Hillary that I am a Hillary supporter or, if it's unfairness to Obama, that I am an Obama supporter. What I am is a life-long, Yellow Dog Democrat who would drop dead before she would vote for a Republican for President (especially after the last 7 years--I mean, what is the MATTER with you people who say you will not vote or will vote for McCain if your candidate doesn't get the nomination????!!! So, because you have such high-horse moral principles, you would subject us all to four more years of Bush-rule? YOU ARE MONSTERS!!!!) I think we have two great candidates, neither of whom is perfect, but either of whom would make an excellent president. But the truth is that both of them have major weaknesses in the general election and both have them have had their sleazy moments in this primary campaign. I would love to discuss reasons and policies (for example, I'm really into the health care issue, I can drone on for hours, and there are big differences between Hillary and Obama on this) but when does anybody on Americablog discuss issues anymore? Does John's attack on Hillary and her ad discuss the underlying issue anymore than the ad does? Of course not.

risa87 · 1 year ago

I explained my distraction on the thread above this one. I usually don't post and run but this is OT hockey and I am somewhat distracted.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Coming Undone

I hear ya! I cannot believe the very people that tried to oust the Clintons are now their buddies. I mean Limbaugh had some damn hateful things to say about Hillary and yet there is Bill kissing his ass by going on his show.

Thurston Howell the Third · 1 year ago

Every chance I get...

chowderSF · 1 year ago

That is the best McCain ad I've seen,,,,,oh wait.....

Hillary needs to really go.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

I still think that Hill might be in this for a run as VP with McCain.

I think she decided that she wants Obama destroyed (for many reasons: she can't run if he wins, it makes it easier to beat him come November IF she skips and runs with McCain or just to finish Obama off because she and the Right Wing find him obnoxious. Thus Hill and Bill are working WITH not only McCain, but Murdoch, Richard Mellon Scaife, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, the members of THE FAMILY, Newt Gingrich and the list goes on and on....

Belinda · 1 year ago

Polly_Tics: "I still think that Hill might be in this for a run as VP with McCain."

It honestly wouldn't surprise me. She seems willing to throw the DNC under the bus and has been kissing up to both Lieberman and McCain. And don't forget that both Limbaugh and Ann Coulter endorsed her OVER McCain.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Polly

I am seriously thinking the same thing. Hillary is running a scorched earth campaign. She no longer focuses on issues, she focuses on Obama, why? I once read where the Clintons plan ahead, so where does she think this is going to get her?

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

Hillary has become her own 'vast right-wing conspiracy'.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Is Disqus acting weird for anyone else? I noticed that I keep getting the hourglass thingy because the blog is "waiting for transfer" It is very slow

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 3 minutes ago
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NO, no, no, no, no. I am not saying that YOU said that "everyone stinks", I'm saying that many Hillary supporters come in here and suggest just that IF they don't go along with their take on candidate selection.

As far as how long I have been reading this blog now, lets list in at 2 years next month, so I think I have a good handle on who is saying what these days. Look, you need to take it all with a grain of salt IF you want to actually HAVE a conversation about the election here. People are polarized and it has gotten very personal, SO if you want to open a conversation, it is best done with questions about policy etc instead of challenges and accusations (and NO I didn't mean YOU!).

You have got to understand that some sites are more friendly with one candidate over another, and IF you realize that and want to talk to the so called opposition, then do so understanding temperaments. I wouldn't go on some sites that I know are Hillary supporters and try to convince them to vote MY way, but I may go on and debate a policy or point of interest.

OK, I don't know what else I can say to appease your worry, please just understand that we all are upset (you and I) and even though we might have different candidates of choice, we should (hopefully) respect the other's views.

I do NOT look kindly upon the Clinton's and I make no bones about that, but if you want to talk about policies or such, I am always open to having a conversation. Please, just don't do so with a chip on your shoulder or you WILL get reactions.

Agreed?

peachkfc · 1 year ago

I've been reading this blog for years, too, but I don't comment often, even less so since things have gotten so heated about the primary election. I agree with your point about the importance of discussing the issues, I'm just surprised that you think that I'm the one with a chip on my shoulder. As I've said several times, I'm not pro or anti either Hillary or Obama, I'm simply pro-Democrat and pro-fairness and accuracy, but that seems to be interpreted here as necessarily being pro-Clinton. I'm not trying to convince anybody to vote for Clinton or to vote for Obama, I'm just asking that journalists like John Aravosis be fair and accurate in reporting facts and, when stating their opinions, that those opinions have at least some basis in reality and not just be irrational, ad hominem tirades. It’s bad when fanatical pro-Hillary OR pro-Obama (or the “anti” corollaries) people get carried away; I think that is far more damaging to the party than anything the candidates themselves are doing.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

Doesn’t Hillary even realize that if she were able to steal the nomination that the Republicans would come at her with full force? She probably thinks that she can go right back into her victim mode and say the Right wing smear machine is after her and expect the very Democrats that were for Obama and Edwards to stand up for her. The Republicans will not even have to go back to the 90’s because they can tell voters just how she cannot be trusted. The GOP will brand her as a traitor to her own party, that she turned on a fellow Democrat with a vengeance.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

aquarius2 4 minutes ago
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You know what? 2 months or so ago, I began talking about Hill & Bill's plans to run with McCain, either as Veep or in his cabinet and EVERYONE, positively EVERYONE thought I was NUTZ!

LOL, that's OK, but I am heartened to see that many others have begun to see the same thing. Now I know what I am about to say will piss off many Hillary supporters, but you know what? tough! I have a right to state my opinion in a concise, thorough and polite manner (although that last one is open for discussion on occasion).

I do think both Clinton's value power above all else, and that means above party and what is best for the nation. Yes, I think they are both just that driven.

cmpnwtr · 1 year ago

We have one fatally corrupt character disorder in power right now. I'm not voting for another who has her finger on the nuclear trigger and is aching to bomb Iran.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

Hillary will not be able to run in 2012, this is her only chance because if McCain gets elected a lot of Democrats will blame Hillary and there will be so many books and stories that will come out about her campaign. In 2012 she will be lucky if she is still a Senator, because if she tries to run again on and I told you Barack could not win platform, her campaign had better be funded completely by China or Columbia because Democrats will remember the trouble she caused in 2008 and she will not have a chance.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Coming Undone 0 minutes ago
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Word is Hillary is working (or blackmailing) the DNC to come up with a better offer behind the scenes. She will continue this crap unless and until the leadership (are they really leaders? YUCK!) comes up with either a REALLY good offer within the Senate leadership comittees OR governorship of New Yawk.

LOL, I Love the way the Clinton's really think they can bargain with the leaders FOR a job which is voted on by the citizens. Sounds just like this presidency, no? They thought it was in the works, she and Bill would be President because 1. it was their time
2. she deserved it
3. Bill already had his shot at it
4. Most people can't handle what the Clinton's can
5. I know there is lots more but I'm old and tired and have run out of typing fingers for the time being.

Coming Undone · 1 year ago

Polly_Tics
You are right they are definitely working the DNC for something, my question is why do they need to get back into the White house so bad, could it be all of the money that they have taken based on Hillary becoming President.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Coming Undone

I think HIllary is counting on the fact that IF she receives the nomination Dems will pull together to defeat McCain. I mean come November, her thoughts are they will pull the lever to avoid the other choice. And I think she is right, a lot of angry people right now but I will have to think long and hard whether I want to sit at home or vote for her.

NovaNardis · 1 year ago

Damn straight I'll vote for Hillary. Whatever Obama meant, his comments came off as elitist. And maybe you want to view his sticking to his comments as "straight-talking," but it isn't going to work.

And I'd like to win this election.

moxiegrrrl · 1 year ago

@NovaNardis

So because he "came off as elitist" one time you'd rather vote for someone who exaggerates (Bosnia), waffles on her own positions (NAFTA), takes any and all money from special interest groups, and tries to take down someone in her own party rather than the opposition?

Sounds like you were just itching for a nugget to hold up as the reason you're against him. So what's the REAL reason?

NovaNardis · 1 year ago

@ moxiegrrl:
OK. You want the real reason? The real reason is that I'm a raving racist and I can't stand the idea of a black man leading my country...

I cannot STAND you Obama supporters. As a Hillary guy, I understand my candidate has flaws, and plenty of them. But you Obama supporters seem unable to comprehend that people DON'T LIKE YOUR CANDIDATE! I'm a strong Democrat, and will vote for Obama if he's the nominee. I'll campaign for him. I'm getting a job campaigning for Patrick Murphy. I canvassed for Bob Casey in 2006. I'm a Democrat through and through. But I thoroughly dislike Obama because of his style and his policy positions, which I believe frankly are too centrist and limited in scope. And I think he's a hypocrite on LGBT issues. Which are important to me. I dislike Obama's policies. That's reason numbers 1-100. Implying that I am a racist is the lowest form of discourse, and I thought that AMERICAblog readers were better than that. I thought personal attacks were limited to Freepers.

moxiegrrrl · 1 year ago

Interesting how you assumed that I was implying racism, when my question was actually intended as written. I wanted to know what the REAL reason, or reasons, for not liking him, because just saying one comment he made comes off as "elitist" (something I find ironic considering the how elitist Clinton can come off) is a very poor excuse for the rather firm way you expressed your dislike of him. I appreciate the clarification as to why you prefer Clinton over Obama.

But in keeping with your tone, I cannot STAND you Clinton supporters, who immediately assume it's because Obama supporters think you're racist for not backing him.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 10 minutes ago
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I don't get it, I wrote to you IN DEPTH on both of your comments...so why are you merely repeating your comments without anything regarding my all too lengthy response?

peachkfc · 1 year ago

Sorry, my comment disappeared, so I reposted them, now they're back in duplicate.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 10 minutes ago
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I responded in depth about an hour ago, please scroll back for my 2 answers to your questions. They are far too lengthy for me to copy and paste again.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc 1 minute ago
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Please, did you read my responses to you? IF not, I fear I will have to kill myself, right here, right now....

peachkfc · 1 year ago

NOOOOOO!!! I'm finally catching up, k?

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

NovaNardis 11 minutes ago
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BAD etiquette!

mario · 1 year ago

"Vile, sickening, and filthy". Wow, John, did you suffer a minor heart attack or stroke there? Could you be any more melodramatic or hystrical?

What the hell do you think the GOP/rightwing smear machine is going to do to Obama if he's the nominee? Play nice? Be civil? Treat him with kid gloves?

They're going to throw the "kitchen sink" at him and go after him with everything they've got.

This Hillary ad that you're having such a sanctimonious cow over is *nothing* compared to what the GOP is going to do.

Without a doubt, among the leftwing bloggers, you have *got* to be the *shrillest*, # 1 shameless Obamatron shill there is.

Mario

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

mario 2 minutes ago
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No one supposes that the Right will do anything but try to eviscerate Obama, but the point here is that this "sort" of knife work usually is done by the opposing team, not from within.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

mario 2 minutes ago
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By the way, very bad etiquette! By shamelessly attacking someones blog and person INSTEAD OF addressing a supposed policy difference, it does not look kindly upon your grip of debate form.

I suggest you act nice if you want a response...

moreleesafer · 1 year ago

i could slap her. she is working my last freakin' nerve. Hillary, leave already. at one time i would have supported a obama/clinton ticket. now, I wouldn't vote for her for if she won the nomination for 3rd grade class president.

aquarius2 · 1 year ago

Oh, tax day tomorrow and I am still working on them. Ugh! Time to get some zzzzz.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

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peachkfc 8 minutes ago
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WHAT? Who has high horse moral principles and who is a monster? I've got to tell you this is NOT the way to win friends and influence people.

I don't quite understand your response (hostile as it appears to be) especially after I took such time and effort to explain myself and other issues to you. I offer explanations, tid bits, solace and friendship and you send this clap trap to me?
After everything I have written thus far you call me a monster and tell ME that I am voting for McCain? EGADS WOMAN, you haven't read a thing that I POSTED!

And quite frankly, I don't have the time for such narrow vision and nastiness. I tried to help, to explain, to share, tried to be nice since WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE, but you come back with calling me (us?) MONSTERS? I spoke to you about discussing POLICIES, ISSUES & FEELINGS and you complain that no one is listening?

I have nothing further to say to you...Good Night!

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

I won't vote for Hillary because she prefers to drink Crown Royal whiskey. She should have had a Jim Beam shot of whiskey if she wanted to impress us common folk. (snark!)

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

peachkfc,

One more thing, I also stayed online through all of this to make sure you got the posts and help.

What bloody nerve you have there lady.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

Excuse me, look back at my post from 2:51 am and subsequent posts, I think your snottiness is more than a bit misplaced. Besides, suppose I had an emergency or got sick or just had to go to bed? Get over yourself, whoever you are; my life does not revolve around this blog or much less around you. I've also realized I've been wasting my time in this discussion because you are clearly incapable of understanding anything I say (maybe deliberately so because you think I'm a Hillary supporter?) Or maybe, because I don't comment often, I missed the point--you're a troll!!! Now I get it! You're there to try drive the rest of is sane, intelligent people crazy! My bad for not catching on sooner, why, oh why, didn't somebody else save me from my own commenting naivete?

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

cowboyneok [Moderator] 0 minutes ago
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I know, I was beside myself when I saw what she was drinking! LOL heck to her she was slumming!

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

aquarius2 6 minutes ago
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Night, night sweet one...and remember, tax day comes but once a year!

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Well, since peachkfc has proved herself to not be worth sticking around for, I have a bath that has almost gotten cold.

Night friends and opponents, may you all sleep sweet & well!

peachkfc · 1 year ago

Just to clarify, my last comments were to Polly_Tics (I didn't realize that although I clicked "reply," the comment doesn't automatically indicate to whom the reply is directed. My final remarks: Polly_Tics, read my comments again, I didn't call you a monster, in fact, I didn't say anything personal about you or anybody else (unlike your responses to me, calling me hostile, nasty, naving "bloody nerve," and"Not worth sticking around for.") I don't know what your problem is and much as I am tempted, I will not respond in kind. I think I will go back to my custom of not commenting here, it is far too stressful with this kind of crap to deal with.

peachkfc · 1 year ago

Oops, sorry for the double post, I'm not very good at this.

Mark in Florida · 1 year ago

This ad is pathetic, scripted and laughable. It comes off as a skit on Saturday night live. It won't work, except to create a backlash against her. Hillary is sinking the democratic party. Dear god, she acts like she is entitled to this nomination and will do anything to get it. I used to admire, defend and respect her. That is now evaporated for me.

This ad has spurred me to contribute to Obama's campaign.....so I guess something good has come out of it.

DCinDC · 1 year ago

This is from Drudge Report:

McCain would prefer to go up against Clinton in the general election, insiders reveal.

He has instructed his campaign staff to "chill out" on countering Hillary Clinton's torrent of claims and promises as primary voting comes to an end over the next 6 weeks.

McCain made the tactical decision to downplay Clinton's tale of Bosnia sniper fire, leaving some McCain staffers frustrated and perplexed.

Instead, the critical focus has been on Barack Obama. McCain's official website features 14 press releases taking on Obama since the first of the year, only 3 for the former first lady.

ClayPotts · 1 year ago

Elitism is the kiss of death for Democrats. Tossing about elitist accusations on matters of religion and guns in a Democratic primary is more than a Hail Mary pass, it is suicide for the party. The euphoria derived from Hillary's kamikaze shots will not be worth the hangover. If Hillary wants roll around in the gutter with her beer mug that is her right. It only highlights the fact that she is too drunk with her lust for power to answer the phone at 3 a.m.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

SHENANDOAH, Pa. — Yes, some Democrats in Pennsylvania's Rust Belt communities were upset by Barack Obama's suggestion that voters there "cling to guns or religion" because of bitterness about their economic lot. But many more seem to think it was no big deal _ and if there's a problem it's with the political slapfest that has followed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/14/pa-vot...

lauren1959 · 1 year ago

If there was any question that Hillary was trying to damage Barack so that she can run again in 2012 it should be entirely cleared up now. The Democratic Party needs to step up and take action.

KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago

Wolfson managed to find half a dozen ObamaHaters in PA, and one of them is a Chelsea lookalike!!!

SPatrick · 1 year ago

That ad rocked! Good for her. If Obama doesn't want people to call him out, then he might want to think about what he says. It was an ignorant statement and he should expect the backlash.

gonzalez · 1 year ago

It iz amazing that we finally have some one who tells us the true and wo don't want to hear it. Too bad you republicans continue to be blind and dumb.

jr · 1 year ago

Hillary's Zell Millerism knows no bounds

gonzalez · 1 year ago

Early last year I would have voted for her. Late late year I changed my mind when she was pandering to the right with the flag burning ban ammendment. I voted for Obama in the primary and I would have voted for her if she was to be the nomminee for the party. That was then. Not now. I would never vote for her. If she is the nominee, I'll sit this one out.

catspur · 1 year ago

Why don't you just call this the Hillary-hater blog?
You couldn't be more transparent.

What a bunch of whining crybabies.

mirth · 1 year ago

Would I vote for Hillary Clinton?

No

unrepentant_expat · 1 year ago

mirth 1 minute ago 1 million points


Would I vote for Hillary Clinton?

If I were still voting in America,I would usually find myself voting against the Repug candidate. The Democrats are the default party.

mirth · 1 year ago

risa87

What is it about Hillary and her campaign that earns your support of her?

mirth · 1 year ago

aquarius,

It happens every time. A Clinton supporter slams us, yet does not have a response when we ask what about her has earned their support.

mirth · 1 year ago

unrepentant_expat,

Realistically, we have 3 parties contending for president: the Republican Party, the Corporate Party, the Democratic Party.

I have not ever not voted Democrat. If the Democratic Party contender does not win the nomination, then I will write in his name in protest.

mirth · 1 year ago

I echo Polly's comment, risa87.

If sympathy is how you choose a candidate for the presidency, then knock yourself out.