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AMERICAblog: Wash Post: "Obama Hits Back, Too Softly For Some"

  • RevDrBillyBob · 1 year ago
    Who's givin' him advice ? Nancy Pelosi ? Harry Reid ? Hillary Clinton ? You godless heathen libruls don't even WANNA win.
  • Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas · 1 year ago
    I find it very difficult to believe that progressives do not have a Karl Rove.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    Uncle Joe's been dead for years.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    It is amazing that a Paris Hilton ad has stolen the show. Hillary is definitely trying to pull something. Oklahoma delegates have been asked publicly by at least one dem leader in the state to not switch to Obama. Hillary has made at least 4 contradicting statements in the last several weeks about her convention stance.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    psst...operation chaos...pass it on!
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    No need for operation chaos in this state. McCain has a 32 point lead.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    well duh.
    thanks for the hannity/limpballs updates, busyboy.
    what would we do without you?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Probably stagnate or cheat on someone.
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    aw, does it suck to be you today?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    No, my dear, I think things are progressing handily...
  • OKBlue · 1 year ago
    Which Dem leader? Gimme a name, please.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    It was a woman, a dem delegate leader on KTOK radio, a week or 10 days ago. Sorry, I don't remember her name
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Oopsie...You should join the FBI with your bag of assumptions and what you've been told is evidence...
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    I heard her say it in person, it wasn't a newsroom regurgitation.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    According to your spotty memory, right?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    I have the type of memory that zeroes in on things that seem out of place or don't make sense. I thought that her statement was wierd, coming only days after Hillary said she didn't want her name put in nomination at the convention. Of course everything Hill has done since then has made you wonder wth is going on.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Its called Google...
  • TomJoad · 1 year ago
    we don't want a Karl Rove. I think it is fine line, and Obama has been working that line WELL..much better than Kerry (who had a huge problem with his wooden-ness. Gore also...Obama, and I know this seems superficial, but I think most of America sees it as important, comes off as a complete natural. He's not elitist at all, he's well spoken, concise, clear, and can think on his feet. He HAS attacked back, WELL...but I don't see it so much on the news. I think people are DEAD SICK of all the "tire gauge" bull, and the mud slinging...but McCains goblins ARE making headway because....people are sick of hearing that and OBAMAs NAME is used in those issues more than McCains.

    News mutts are the ones ruining this, by dutifully recording and constantly talking about the fluff, and acting as if the substance is fluff.

    They eat the icing, not the cake.
  • OKBlue · 1 year ago
    Maybe we need to feed them icing about McCain. How about those $520 shoes?
  • hardeknox · 1 year ago
    I can understand the idea of minimalizing the other side's comments by joking about them and not appearing affected by them. But that's just the campaign staff. The rest of the world sees the meek reaction and labels it weakness. There are certain practices, such as refusing to mention the opponent's name or position that have become pretty standard. So far, both candidates have retained the senatorial tradition of calling each other by "Senator X" along with "my opponent." How long before the titles are dropped and the other man denigrated? All's fair in this game. Failure to use every tool in the box shows a lack of understanding of how the world works. You'd better believe McCain's guys know understand "real good."
  • jeffg166 · 1 year ago
    It's August. A lot will happen between now and November.

    Yesterday for the first time I saw a McCain bumper sticker. The first one! Obama signs and stickers are everywhere.

    If McCain should somehow win in November it will be by stealth voters who are playing their cards incredibly close to their chests.

    I'll admit I have anxieties that somehow McCain will win. Then I talk to other people. No one wants a third Bush Cheney term with McCain as the figure head.

    I expect when, I stop being anxious, that there is going to be a blow out in November for the Democrats across the board.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    This is crazy. Bill and Hillary are still badmouthing Obama and submarining the convention. Maybe there's some movement among the superdels that hasn't surfaced. This is not the way to win an election. This article was penned just yesterday.

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,859...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Doncha love how a beaten Busboy skulks aroyund dropping sad rebuke attempts in out of the way corners...Bad doggie, back in your oxygen-starved box...
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    He's what is referred to as a "concern troll", pay him no mind.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    I think Obama's been good with returning McStain's pitiful volleys and scoring.
    Our dear corporate media, as hundred if not thousands of citizens predicted, remains a larger pest for progressives.
    The daily onslaught of pundit BS and incomplete reporting takes a toll on less corporate-media-savvy minds.
    For example in today's 7am hour CNN led with "McCain's new one, two punch", interviewed GOP surrogates and played a lengthy cut of yesterday's Johnny stump...There was no Obama reporting: he was mentioned in a tag out of the "punch" lead.
    The cheap, non-union clowns at MSTIM spent the hour replaying Kate Snow's recent Bill Clinton pout, working the Dem disharmony meme.
    Over and over, day in and day out the giggly and emotionally needy corporate media, self and celebrity-blinded on most occasions, rallies for their corporate bottom line by pushing the failed Bush/McCain recipe for a fascist empire.
    This sneaky stratigery, in some ways more subtle than Anne Kornbuth and Nedra Pickler's (two name just two) actions against Gore, Dean or Kerry, relies on constant repetition and viewer ignorance, what has been called TVboarding, for a success that hasn't quite happened yet.
    Chances loom large for a traumatic and spinable major TV event before November...
  • OKBlue · 1 year ago
    I have read here and in other places that McCain's negative ads reflect poorly on him because, unlike with Bush's Swiftboat Veterans, McCain is tied directly to the ads.

    It's fine that Obama doesn't want a link to that kind of negativity, but it's about time people pumped that negativity out there. How about some real anti-McCain action from people not connected to Obama?

    How about we let everyone know that McCain dumped his wife who stood by him while he was a POW, perhaps because she had become disabled, for a wealthy heiress? [Voice over: "In sickness and in health? Not for McCain. For him it is: In health or in wealth."]

    He wears $520 shoes and has too many houses to count and profited from the sale of our beer company to foreigners. He supposedly believes in the importance of marriage and yet hides behind the illusion that his current wife's wealth and possessions don't make him a ridiculously wealthy, too.

    So many people have made little internet videos showing McCain contradicting himself or otherwise looking bad. Why not buy some TV time and put those clips on the air?
  • NealB · 1 year ago
    "...no sense of Obama's strategy, data, or plan...."

    Well, it's a big secret, see? So that the Republicans won't know what hit them. But here's a hint: Obama's such hot shit that he doesn't need anyone to understand his strategy, see? We're all just his bitches and we should just lay back and enjoy watching him sweep to victory. I get it; why doesn't anyone else?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Corporate media will lose a ton of money if Obama wins and signs the fairness act. Can you imagine how much ad money they would lose if Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, etc. had to cut their shows in half to make room for some droning liberal professor who could raise no ad money?
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The corps will further lose a ton of lucre with increased regulatory monitoring and if Social Security isn't privatized...
    This whole thing reminds me of labor troubles...Most citizens want a union while the corps attempt to bribe, thug and goon their roughshod way over us all...They only had all the 20th century to practice...
  • Grimmlok · 1 year ago
    Stop playing nice.

    Stop taking the high road.

    McSame has enough retard ammunition laying around that you can pick up and use and still be truthful. You don't need to go Karl Rove and make shit up, but you can USE WHAT IS ALREADY THERE WITH ALL THE FORCE AT YOUR DISPOSAL.

    Stop pussying out, and ram it down his throat, Obama! Stop letting Kyle Rove DEFINE THE CAMPAIGN AND BY PROXY, YOU.

    God, it's infuriating to watch this shit repeat itself over and over, election through election, and watch the same people NOT LEARN A THING.

    Listen Obama: you are not such a golden boy that Karl Rove can't knock you down and throw this election to McTard. Know that. It's not a hit on you, it's an acknowledgement of Rove's skills.

    He IS skilled. Do NOT count on the American public to see through his shit. They didn't twice before, they won't now.

    Realize that.
  • davidkc · 1 year ago
    As I said in the open thread, the Dem leadership clearly does not seem to have Obama's back. When is the last time you heard Pelosi, Reid or Dean forcefully defend Obama? And the Clintons are nonexistent. They're only worried about themselves and their legacy, not the future of the party. It's pathetic.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    And, why we need change...
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    Generally speaking, at this point in the campaign, Democrats on the Hill speak out when asked to speak out, and shut up when asked to shut up.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Still, I feel Mr. Obama's mostly alone on the public stage (this isn't a Hillary slam).
    The Judgement of Paris reveals an interesting course...I urge Brad Pitt and fellow northern Kentuckian George Clooney to grab their silver heels, pool loungers and web cams to give Johnny another celebrity headache.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 1 year ago
    Right--Pelosi and Reid aren't popular enough to function as surrogates. They would distract and detract from Obama if they piped up. Obama can take care of himself, right now. And if the Party is going to turn the page on the Clintons and the Clinton Era (which it needs to do), it's best that he be front and center in the media spotlight.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Any careers needing a boost in H-wood???
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    The Clinton's only caring for themselves? Who knew?

    As far as the balance of the Party bigwigs not standing up for Obama, well I think they all have their collective heads up their collective arse's, but that is hardly news. I would love to see the Dem's finally grow some bollocks and hit back against the Republicans in kind, but I'm afraid that isn't going to happen any time soon. It's depressing...
  • jr · 1 year ago
    Obama needs to have the intensity Jed has in his videos. Every speech. Every ad. Every interview. No exceptions.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Funny how the trolls keep urging a point by point return attack against Johnny and the Cougar Chip Queen.
    Team McStain, as Team McStain and the pundit corp. keep repeating, hasn't gone negative merely humorous (wink, wink) and laying in wait for an attack to counter...This is what made Ms. Hilton's ad so delicious. Hilton reduced Johnny to a crypt-keeper "from olden days" (and just try shaking that word picture) and failed to gift Team McStain with a viable target for return fire.
    If there's a problem with the Obama campaign it is that Mr. Obama seems to be out there all by his lonesome (discounting the thousands of screaming, loyal voters).
    Any other willing celebs hankering for massive coverage as they slam Johnny's fascist hypocrisy??? Mr. Pitt and Mr. Clooney maybe...They were fast off the dime with a "wide stance" video.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 1 year ago
    obama seems all alone out there not just because his surrogates (individuals and groups) are hibernating, but also because mccain has the media (tv and radio) sanitizing and rationalizing his crap 24//7. obama's campaign has to factor this in to its decisions. in particular, the media will pounce on personal attacks against mccain with wild-eyed schieffer-esque indignation. the blowback could wipe out potential gains from going Rovian. such are the times we live in.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Exactly, as I too have been saying, but also why another celebrity-originated McCain attack could be effective and grab ADD pundit attention.
    Doesn't have to be a celeb...A pop icon would do as well...Say, Hello Kitty attacks Johnny or an animated spot with Mr. Obama as The Dark Knight and Johnny as Two-Face...
  • eliot99 · 1 year ago
    The theme for Obama's campaign seems to be hit "back". And, that's not working very well. How about we take the lead for once and get off the ropes. It's all defense. The obvious problem is that the damage has been done. The less obvious is that it makes Obama look weak. Just my opinion.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The foreign tour wasn't just hitting back, it was taking the lead and world leader mantle from old, stooped Johnny...What do you think prompted the recent ad and pundit attacks?
    Most folks, even here, are watching too much corporate toob and subconsciously adopting many of their concepts.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    That foreign tour was a disaster for Obama. Cost him the lead. Battleground state voters have no respect for Europeans other than the Brits.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Your owner really needs to punch more airholes in your cardboard box...
    Give some support for your unsupported allegations.
    Also, its worth noting that long term readers are aware of this guy's abysmal predictive skills.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    That's a crock!
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Hey, its a pundit meme...waduhya want, thought?
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    Instead of Obama constantly having to respond in a defensive mode to McBush's rhetoric, he needs to go on the offensive and put McBush on the defensive and keep him there. If you are constantly having to explain or refute allegations, you don't have much time to be on the offensive.
    " Push him back, push him back, waaaayyyyy back!"
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The corporate media frames events in this manner, period.
    CNN's morning lead was McStain's "new one, two punch"
    How many new one, two punches has Johnny failed to connect with so far???
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    I would like to see MoveOn and some others "unleashed" again, but I understand their position if they feel they are not wanted, why bother when it isn't appreciated.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Its not "not appreciated" just past its time of usefulness...like snoods or poodle skirts or platform shoes.
    The public, domestic and world, is tired of the cheap faux intelligent slapstick in Washington and yearns for polite, firm, diplomatic and most importantly effective leadership...if it happens to have an air of fresh, exciting newness or rebirth as well we are twice blessed.
  • Polly_Tics · 1 year ago
    Pssst, platform shoes are still VERY much INstyle these days, but I love the reference to "snoods". You don't hear enough of them these days...
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    I'm not so sure. With MoveOn playing defense, it leaves Obama's hands clean to continue with his game plan. MoveOn could bring up McBush's leaving his injured wife for a rich trophy bride and also start showing his propaganda films he made for the North Vietnamese and watch him try and deny it. Some might feel sorry for him but watching him talk down his country couldn't be fun besides he said he didn't love his country until he was about 31 years old. They need to throw this true stuff back at him. McBush is making things up about Obama but MoveOn could bring up the truth. He wants to play hard-ball, then "batter up."
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    MoveOn's doing attack spots against McCain now in the swOhio media market and could very well step it up as November approaches...
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    Good, Ohio is one of the states he should try and take away from McBush.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    You and I share the same ideas on campaigning. Hit 'em hard until they're down, and when they try to get up, hit them again.
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    If the Dems would play hard-ball, this stuff would stop. It's the only way to fight them, one uses the same tactics but make it the truth instead of the fiction they are spewing.
  • AdrianLesher · 1 year ago
    I wonder about this poll which has people saying they're hearing "too much" about Obama and not ehough about McCain. Couldn't this be interpreted as people saying they're tired of hearing McCain talking smack about Obama without really addressing his own positions?
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    This poll, like most, is CRAP from the most trusted name in crap...
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Amen. Why did they ask the question?
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    Now that's the more important question. ;-)
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Leading questions that lead to undermining Dems and Obama.
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    Yep! I agree. If they can cast the least bit of doubt, they have done their job.
  • Liza · 1 year ago
    John,

    I understand your concern and in some ways I'm concerned too. I agree the Obama campaign should have come out with an ad using Phil Gramm's words against John McCain but all the press would do is claim that Obama is going negative first.

    I think that Dems are panicking because we have LOST over and over again so it's hard to have any hope. If you recall, when Bill Clinton was running, he basically shut out D.C. in his campaign and there was much of the same rumblings in that no one thought that he could really win.

    I honestly think this is going to be like 1980 where after the convention (which from what I hear Obama WILL be attacking McCain unlike Kerry's convention) and the debates his poll numbers will dramatically increase.

    Does this mean I'm going to let my guard down? Of course not but I think most of the concern is that Dems are so tired of losing they have a hard time believing that we can win.
  • JMOHR · 1 year ago
    Wrong, we are not panicked. We have observed this same approach to politics with Gore and Kerry. We saw exactly this same result. Ahead in the polls. Stalling of progress and finally the turning of public opinion on exactly those issues pressed by the negative attacks.

    You can not only run half a campaign but this has always been the Democratic game plan. The public gets half the story and the Republicans succeed. It should bother your little wimp head that we are not further ahead at this point in the game. After all, this should be a blow out. .

    You cite to Bill Clinton who shut out DC. Yes and he ran a very negative campaign as well as providing hope and progress. He shut out weak kneed idiots who thought that we could turn the other cheek while being hit with a sledge hammer.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    We won in 2000 and 2004.
  • kirkaracha · 1 year ago
    Malone: You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?

    Ness: Anything within the law.

    Malone: And then what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they're not gonna give up the fight, until one of you is dead.

    Ness: I want to get Capone! I don't know how to do it.

    Malone: You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! And that's how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    My dad was a young caddy on a Chicago area resort golf course in those golden days of yore. He used to say Mr. Capone was a decent employer. Mr Capone's tax books were messy, but he was fine to my dad.
    --"Are you ready to do that?" [i.e., treat people decently?]
  • smiling_dog · 1 year ago
    The way to stop the negative attacks from working is to attack back. Responding to the attacks isn't going to stop it unless you hit back with a good kick in the balls. The fact that the Democrats still aren't adequately responding to the attacks, much less attacking back is beyond baffling. Remember when McCain was trying to say that Hamas was supporting Obama and Obama said McCain was "losing his bearings." Sure, the Repubs tried some faux outrage about it, but that was not effective. The Hamas smear suddenly stopped. The Repubs are very nervous about McCains mental state being put up as an issue. We should be framing everything McCain does right now in terms of him getting senile. We need to have a coordinated effort on that issue, then when it starts getting more MSM airtime, move on to the next (his anger problem, his cancer, etc.). So the meme right now for everyone on the left should be that the old codger is starting to lose his bearings and is getting senile. Kick the guy in the balls - then kick him again. He will shut his mouth quite quickly and start talking about the "issues", believe me, and he can't win on the issues either.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Sounds like Obama's stance, according to you, worked even if you do not want to credit him.
    Remember Obama's for changing the broken fear-based political game...A game attack would provide the pundits and Team McStain with fresh, screamable ammo.
    I'm all for Obama attacking as he just did in his energy spot...Fact and issue-based attacks levened with Mr. Obama's humor and wit.
    Laughing at Johnny with get the best results.
  • ImpureScience · 1 year ago
    I agree with you 110%. Democrats seem to have become unable to mount a serious political attack on anyone except one of their own. They may call it 'taking the high road' but it's really about having lost the will/ability to kick ass when necessary to win.

    I am so. damned. sick. and. tired. of watching good Democratic candidates go down in flames because they've forgotten how to fight!
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    Well, duh! This is EXACTLY what Hillary foresaw months ago, and why she hung in there for so long. And you, John, as well as many others, raked her over the coals, belittled her, and insulted her beyond all reason. I was, and am, an Obama supporter, but I never did understand the caustic mean-spiritedness with which Hillary was treated.

    I hope she doesn't have to say, "I told you so," or if she does, that she does it with grace.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    I think you're confusing media games with the free speech exercised by citizens here...
    HRC messed up big time...clear sight marred by the approach of coronation.
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    I understand and agree that she messed up big time with her sense of entitlement, and I agree that we all have free speech, but I still was shocked by the viciousness with which she was attacked. And I believe that in Denver, and in November, some of us are going to have buyer's remorse....and believe me, I hope I'm wrong!
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The viciousness you mention came from the media...Tweety, Mornin Blow, Tucker Toolson, Uberfuhrer Buchanan to misname a few...
    Plus...I do hate an overabundance of generic devil's advocates wishing and hoping the worst won't happen…watched pots do eventually boil and Schrödinger's cat will die but let’s allow it on our terms.
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    Actually, the viciousness I mention came from this very website. I know, because it was what made me cancel my automatic donation that I had been making every month.

    And interestingly, I just went back to some of the Americablog archives to pull up some posts to prove my point, and they've apparently all been scrubbed! But I remember some very harsh attacks along the lines of "Why doesn't the bitch just drop our already?"

    I thought those comments were childish and mean-spirited, and I guess John A. must have thought better of them also, because I sure can't find them now. But they were definitely on this website and on DailyKos, NOT on the mainstream media sites.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Boo freakin hoo, still??? Get over it sweetie...Perhaps you should seek counseling for your mental issues? Oops, sorry budget cutbacks, you know. Maybe you'll get help after Obama's elected.
    And, oh yes the mean stuff that so upsets your delicate mind came from the corporate media...Ordinary free citizen venting (partially media fueled) are some mighty small potatoes to hand your toque…
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    And that's all you can do, make personal attacks on me?

    My entire point, which you have just proved beautifully, is that we Democrats always get into a circular firing squad. The Republicans almost never beat up on each other as savagely as we do.

    I am not that crazy about Hillary, but at this point, I honestly believe the only winning strategy is to get her on the ticket.

    And this is the last time I will respond to someone who makes personal attacks on me. I have not, and will not, do that to you.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Oh blah, blah, blah...poor little Orange miss!!!
    I do declare, Ashley, Twelve Oaks is lookin a little tired!
  • Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood) · 1 year ago
    Geez your mind is as small as your...
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Sticks and stones...and unfinished thoughts. More cowardly than missy's passive/aggression...Have a conviction or try to say ....penis...it might spit but it won't bite.
  • John Aravosis · 1 year ago
    Nothing's been scrubbed. I can't speak to your search skills, however. And Hillary deserved what she got. She threw the kitchen sink first, so she gets no points for crying foul after we responded in kind. Let's not revisit that little episode. :-)
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    Hi, John--

    Didn't really expect a response from you, but thanks......

    I searched several weeks' worth of archives and couldn't find any of the
    posts I had remembered, but apparently my search skills ARE lacking.

    As for Hillary, I still think that for someone of her stature (former First
    Lady, current Senator, first woman with a realistic chance to win the
    Democratic nomination....not to mention the huge number of votes she
    received), she was treated disrepectfully and unprofessionally. And just
    because one person occasionally sinks lower than we might like, that doesn't
    mean we need to sink to his or her level. Much better to take the high road
    and hit hard with legitimate criticisms, not petty name-calling.

    Over and out....
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    She ran an absolutely stupid campaign and I don't know why you think she would run a better one now. What's changed?

    If she holds such sway over her 18 mil. followers, why doesn't she ask them each to send 1.35 so that she can retire her debt?
  • Anonymiss · 1 year ago
    What's changed is that there are a lot of white, conservative Democrats, as
    well as Independents ("soccer moms," if you will) who will not vote for
    Obama or are scared of Obama or who feel threatened by Obama who will be
    reassured by Hillary being on the ticket. This is still a racist country,
    whether you want to admit it or not, and that's the reason Obama isn't
    blowing McCain out in the polls.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    The polls don't mean a thing right now. However, Obama is leading among low income white males and females. So, you may be relying on some myths the Rethugs want you to believe.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Oh please....But, I know you're hoping against all hope and squeezing your lace hankie that all your negativity won't come to pass. Really you will...really.
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Obama can't win without Hillary's voters. There are still a lot of sore Hillary supporters out there who think the press did her in.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    You better also hope these women will also forget that a majority conservative Supreme Court will nail the lid on liberation.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Polls show about 75% of former Hillary supporters are lining up behind Obama. The rest will by election day.
  • UVaGooner · 1 year ago
    Um, weren't we saying the same thing about Obama during the primaries? That he wasn't hitting back hard enough? We saw how that finished, right?
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Exactly...Americans and the world long for an end to these dark, suspicious times and crave a bright, rosy-tinged dawn.
    Will they pick the embittered, stooped, eldery, divorced and remarried man or the brilliant mind of a man in his prime and blessed with the only beloved and beautiful family unit to carry his name?
  • Busboy · 1 year ago
    Yeah, he lost every battleground state that the dems need to win the election.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Gosh, a pundit meme...willikers!
    You're talking PRIMARIES....Crap that started with pundit focus on white Mississippi's Democratic voters...freakin Mississippi deep, deep in Dixie.
    I actually feel sorry for you Busboy...all alone here 24/7...pitiful...scary how someone could absorb as much media as you obviously do with so little understanding of the larger picture.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Agree.
  • ImpureScience · 1 year ago
    "Will they pick the embittered, stooped, eldery, divorced and remarried man or the brilliant mind of a man in his prime and blessed with a beloved and beautiful family unit?"

    They will pick the incompetent old republican white guy over the maybe brilliant but certainly uppity elitist liberal intellectual schvartzer unless our guys start kicking some butt. You cannot answer a Rove-inspired campaign of lies, innuendo, and appeals to the reptile brain by being all above the fray.

    and:

    "weren't we saying the same thing about Obama during the primaries? That he wasn't hitting back hard enough? We saw how that finished, right?"

    Yes, absolutely. But that was a very different battle. We've seen time and again how Democrats can wipe the floor with other Democrats in the primaries but fade in the general election because they are completely unprepared for the ferocity and amorality of the GOP buzzsaw.

    I'm still longing for Democrats who can campaign like FDR or Truman. Obama's better than the usual, but in general Democrats still remind me so much of bullied school kids that I cringe in embarrassment.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Tit and tat...The name says it all..."Impure"
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I agree that Obama's hits back too softly. My personal theory is that Obama is holding off until after the Republican Convention. Then, and only then, is the fit time for a technical knock-out. He could knock McCain out of the race by Labor Day and then there'd be nothing to fuss about until Election Day. That'd be as dull as a EuroPeon election and definitely not the traditional all American Electoral Circus.
  • GrMtGirl · 1 year ago
    Too early to be wringing our hands in doubt as to the method the Obama campaign is responding to McCain's dirty politics. Realistically the General Election does not really begin until after the Conventions ....I have no reason to assume anything other than that the plan is ready to be put in motion and it will be a powerful and successful one.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    It is also worth noting that past presidential campaigns did not suffer the actions of an exclusively corporate-influenced mass media...Oh but I forget that the media likes to erase itself from the record as much as it likes "hot" fresh daily nuggets to chew however meaningless.
  • UVaGooner · 1 year ago
    Rope-a-dope folks.
  • Butch1 · 1 year ago
    Another point that bothers me is why haven't we heard other Democrats in office vocally supporting him and striking back at the McBush camp or the right-leaning media every time FOX,CNN and others pick Obama apart and give McBush a pass? If the Democrats want to win, they had better start working as a group for a change, stand together and fight this lunacy otherwise, we will have the very same thing that happened in 2000 and 2004. The is very serious and we cannot afford to have another "Bush" term running this country. Goodness knows, the Democratic Congress plans to do nothing to punish this administration and its minions for the laws that were broken whilst we had to suffer the Bush tenure.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The established marketing-leveraged pols have to be in terror of this media...What else explains why so few offer strong, direct and instant challenges?
  • RevDrBillyBob · 1 year ago
    You godless heathen librul Wimpocrats LOVE to nominate Sensitive Nineties Guys . . . Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004, and now Obama in 2008. You're gonna LOSE AGAIN. . . . and apparently yer all OK with that. Nominate ANYONE but someone with them-thar cojones.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    Isn't one of MCain's cojones cancerous?
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    This is like the number msnbc does on Obama every day. Why isn't he ahead by more? Wash. Post: Is he hitting back hard enough?
    All designed to undermine Dems without appearing to.
    Hillary and Bill are good at that too.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Agree totally, except for one thing.

    John Kerry and Al Gore were "pretty boys" ?
  • DAB · 1 year ago
    Just to counter the WashPost article, there was this in the New York Observer two days ago, talking about how the last week or so has focused Obama's team to get more aggressive:
    http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/after-mcc...
  • ZennButtKicker (tlhwraith) · 1 year ago
    Democratic party = herding cats.

    I almost feel bad for Obama, having to try to juggle so many chainsaws at once. I can't imagine what it must be like trying to get a party of shear and utterly undisciplined people to fall in line and move in one direction. The problem isn't Obama, never has been, the problem is the Democratic party from top to bottom doesn't know how to put aside personal ego for the larger goal. The GOP does it with striking efficiency. For whatever reason, Democrats have decided it is better to lose and have the "moral high ground" than it is to ocassionally put your own personal beliefs on hold and win. In other words, you can't affect change if like-minded (or at least receptive) people aren't in positions of power.

    Obama isn't and shouldn't turn this into a slugfest, all it will do is satisfy the visceral desire for revenge by some in our party, give the GOP a rallying cry they don't really have now, and give the MSM tons of meat for the 24 hour cycle. Admittedly, the path to victory is harder taking the higher ground, but Obama is married to that path because its the major thing that's gotten him this far, a perception of being not just another Washington politician. If Obama goes ultra negative tomorrow does anyone think he'll be able to maintain the voting segments that support him now? If this degenerates into a back and forth gotcha match all the way until November I predict people will simply lose interest and stay home on election day. The only folks who will be happy is the far left who will have their bloodlust for revenge satiated and the far right because they will have been able to bamboozle the electorate yet again into electing an idiot to run this country. Let's be real, if both candidates get covered in mud, people lose the motivation to support the "new-young-black-guy" and will almost assuradly go for the known, albeit flawed, McBush.

    Also, putting clinton on the ticket won't do a darn thing, sorry to burst peoples bubble. Clinton pretty much created this fiasco when she turned the primaries into a moratorium on gender equality and media influence. Did she have some legitimate points, probably, but the biggest effect of it is that she utterly and completely polarized a small but vocal segment of the Dem base in such a way that they would accept nothing else but her in the lead position or it would be seen as "the system" keeping her down. We see it now that even though Clinton is calling for her "supporters" to put party over personality, there are some who are resisting.

    I think one MSM talking head said it best when he said that the Democrats seem to be able to do nothing more than complain about the problems of the world, but don't appear to have the will to fight to change them, or to know when to fight which battles. So again, I feel kind of bad for Obama having to herd all the cats that make up the myriad ideological divides within the party, and at this point my only advice to him is to do what he thinks is right, because failing that, I'm sure he's getting an earful from all the different segments who all think they know how to win (yet our party has produced only 2 Presidents in the last 32 years).
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    You are surely right regarding established democrats...In my congressional district with a 2-term Bush-clone special interest puppet the dems have simply thrown away this November's election...But, Mr. Obama (and Democratic congressional majorities), if elected with enough of a popular mandate, will transform much of what is now considered SOP.
    Push a new concept and everyone's a devil's advocate.
    Be successful with that concept and suddenly you've had loyal fans forever...
  • KansasModerate · 1 year ago
    At times in recent weeks the Obama campaign has almost reminded me of the early months of Hillary's campaign, when her strategists close to coast because they were so sure she had the nomination in the bag.

    I hope none of those Clinton strategists are anywhere near Obama's campaign high command.

    Obama does not have this election in the bag. Considering the economy, an unpopular war, widespread dislike for Bush and a petty, cranky old man carrying the Republican banner, Obama should have a double digit lead.

    If Obama doesn't come out of Denver with a big bounce and holds it into the post-Labor Day campaign stretch McCain could pull this off. It might not take much more than a terrorist attack against U. S. interests overseas.
  • Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood) · 1 year ago
    It would seem that Obama has hired all of John Kerry's 2004 staff to run his campaign. What Obama is doing now is what many of us worried about during the primaries. The gloves are off, he is being slapped around, and he responds with sarcasm. Sarcasm like irony is completely lost on Americans. He never responds in a way that grabs the news, he just comes off as a wimp that cannot fight. Because of this he loses respect and support. Hell if you are going to roll over and compromise your ideas, people figure they might as well vote for the tough asshole politician. One should never give in before they have even reached the negotiation table. It is not too late, but the man has to butch up.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Gore and Kerry won in 2000 and 2004.

    Please provide links that list paid Kerry staffers and current paid Obama staffers.
  • Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood) · 1 year ago
    Kerry lost, Gore won. Find it yourself, sarcasm is lost on Americans.
  • rettigpd · 1 year ago
    I agree that the Obama campaign hasn't been fighting back enough. I’m trying to turn the tables on the McCain folks and their stupid tire gauge stunt. I’m having gauges made and selling them on eBay in hopes of raising $2300 for Obama (the max contribution). If you are down, can you please forward this on to other like minded folks. Thanks!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...
  • DrFrankLives · 1 year ago
    Psssssst.... John.....

    There isn't a Democratic Strategist alive who has won a Presidential campaign in 12 years.

    Who the hell cares what the "consultant class" thinks?