I even agreed with Joe Scarborough this morning.....Obama has found his voice again.....what a moving and awesome speech he gave.
luvboxer
· 1 year ago
I agree with you 100% what a night! Its time for Hillary to step down and get behind Obama. We need to unite the party and go after McCain. We cannot afford four more years of Bush/McCain...God help us all if that happens!
LET'S UNITE THIS PARTY BEHIND OBAMA AND WIN THIS ELECTION...THAT IS WHAT WE ALL WANT.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Andrea Mitchell saying Hillary has added a campaign stop today in W. Virginia just to show that she's keeping on keeping on.................ughhhh
luvboxer
· 1 year ago
Its time for the senior democrats to step in and talk to Hillary. Enough is enough..what is wrong with her.
AngelaChanning
· 1 year ago
Let's hope those crazy Clintons cease the negative passive agressive campaigning. For now, it looks like Obama will have to make nice with Norma Desmond. So while she is being escorted out, she will still be ready for her close up. (Sorry what other metaphor can a gay man come up with? LOL) Thank goodness the corporate media is not playing into the Clinton defined narrative. Thank you for listening.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Why Isn't It the End of Hillary? Because she's the War Party's favorite
Okay, I've had it with the Dems referring to the "little people." Speaking of arrogance and a lack of respect for the voting public, this phrase says it all.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Oh my, but weren't the Clintonistas whining to CSPAN this am...sore losers, just like their boss.
I am over the moon about Obama's win in NC. As an aging, retired person, I'm just amused at the various boomers and conservative elderly who gave their support to Clinton--isn't it about time that we have someone like Obama who has the bona fides to lead this country in the right direction, not in the ways of Old School politics? Young people with smarts, vision and the political will to make the US once again the land of opportunity for all people absolutely have to take over the running of this country. It's time to pass the baton...
grandma
· 1 year ago
Russert just said the date of the 'I accept the nomination' speech at the Dem convention will be the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr's 'I have a Dream' speech.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
grandma, talk about serendipity! I'm just going to chill out for a while and wait on the "Obama Elected President" headline!
grandma
· 1 year ago
lol Older and Wiser....it is sooo exciting.......President Barack Obama....woooo hooooooooooo
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Wow Grandma & O&W
I got the same chill. The day can't come soon enough. :-)
bluestockton
· 1 year ago
The current issue of Newsweek contains an article about Ronald Reagan, complete with a large photo of His Senile Highness in the Oval Office. Lo and behold, he's not wearing a flag pin.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Amen to that firebrand........it sure can't come soon enough.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
Afterthought:
Imagine the potential impact of the Obama nomination -King speech serendipity. It could serve to electfify the country (and World) and pave the way for an Obama victory.
MotorCityBadBoy
· 1 year ago
Wow... I had a great nights sleep... even though I went to bed pretty late. So now we get to see what Clinton will do. "Adversity doesn't build Character, It REVEALS it". Let's all see what Hillary is made of. If she keeps going, she has no grace or class and I'm going to stop writing off her behavior as hardball politics and start seriously considering some neurotic personality flaws in her. What's goin on over at Taylor Marsh's blog? I tried to leave a post but it's so heavily censored I couldn't even say good contest. Just like Hillary... Her career and reputation are over.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
OK, I sort of see what the MSM meme will be...Obama won't be able to withstand the wrath of the Rethugs and their swiftboating efforts. WRONG! He has stood up to Clinton repeatedly, to all her dirty tricks, innuendoes and outright lies, without resorting to a negative campaign style, but simply getting the truth out..
The Rethugs have no mojo left--because all the juice is on Obama's side. Let's bury the Rethugs and their impotent, moribund ideology for the next 100 years!
grandma
· 1 year ago
from the Chicago Tribune:
Clinton may have 9 lives, but she's down for the count
The Clintons are like a cat that gets run over but refuses to die. It crawls off the road and makes it to a backyard, hiding under the deck, in the shadows, eyes like slits, panting for days, stubbornly refusing to give it up.
But it's over for Hillary.
What's left is the counting. She's determined, a tough and gritty cat under that deck. But it's over Hillary. It's done. Come on out now.
Oil futures are still trading at close to $122/bbl this morning. And this is not good news...if Congress allows it, it will be a fatal blow to the economy for the rest of us:
Just another boondoggle move by the Fed for banks.
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
Carville's on CNN right now trumping up the FL & MI votes. Although everyone with a lick of sense knows this is over, except for team Clinton. I don't believe for a second they are working on an exit strategy. They are working on their nuclear option. The look on Bill's face as Hillary spoke last night gave me chills. He looked like a man ready to take out that little punk who's trying to steal their legacy. We haven't seen anything yet. Batten down the hatches, the storm is on the horizon.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
It was quite a thrilling night. It was like a dream come true. The media depressed me, with their stories of how Bill Clinton was campaigning, and could deliver even NC for Hillary, and what a turnaround. What a remarkable speech by Obama. He was back to his old self, and inspired the crowd, yet again. Hillary is plain disgusting, and shameless. She is costing the Democrats too much, and even if she kicks and screams, someone should drag her out of this race, and put out to pasture. If she did not get so negative, it might have been a different story. At some point, the Clintons have to accept that they have been polarizing, and that their past scandals would catch up with them.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
HRC and her Bully Boys are delusional enough to think that HUGE wins in Hillbilly Territory (WV, KY) will keep her in the race. So it will go on...
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Sara, Bill needs to chill out. He's going to work himself up to a heart attack and won't get to enjoy all that money he's made off his presidential fame. He still hasn't gotten rid of all those years of Big Macs, no matter if he's just eating rabbit food now (which seems to have made him especially churlish).
SarainKC
· 1 year ago
OlderandWiser, honestly, watching Bill behind Hillary as she spoke, the guy looked evil. I've never bought into all the rumors of Clinton deaths, but I found myself watching him thinking shit, Obama is a dead man.
MotorCityBadBoy
· 1 year ago
It's times like these that I almost hate being a Democrat. I see why people think we're weak. What I mean is that the party discipline isn't there like it is for the GOP. The only reason that Clinton has been running this long is because nobody in the party is big enough (or has the balls) to tell her (better yet demand her) to step down. Dean can't do it. Pelosis or Reid can't do it. So in essence, we're allowing her to severely damage the party because she's the biggest bully and makes up rules as she goes along? Because she lies, smears and yells the most, people in the Democratic party are afraid? The way I was taught is that you stand up to bullies, and you never try to negotiate with them because they start the negotiation thinking that they have their 50% and the negotiation is about how much of your half are you willing to give up? I do have a solution though... I think because of the gender issues, Nancy Pelosi should ask Hillary to drop out. Privately at first, and if she doesn't concede, go public... She has the clout to do it, and it won't turn off Hillary's supporters as much as if it were Dean or a male pol. It's about time that people realized that this party, my party, is about more than the Clintons and their sense of entitlement.
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
Hill-Billy will take their 2% (undoubtedly Limbaugh stand-ins) and declare a mandate to go on. And on. and on. Until there is no Democratic Party left. My biggest fear is that Huckleberry Finn will be McBush's VP and Jesus will be running the White House by 2010. We fags had better shave our forearms now for tattoos and boxcars.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Never trust a Clinton to do the right thing.
Hillary might do the right thing if Bubba wasn't there urging her on.
But, from everything I've read, everytime Hillary gets ready to pack it in, Bubba just convinces her to get dirtier and nastier.
Sugapea
· 1 year ago
Did anyone see Mega Obama Supporter Andrew Sullivan's new article?
He proposes: An Obama/Clinton Ticket!
"I'm talking about the possibility — and the powerful logic — of a unity Obama-Clinton ticket for the Democrats". There's also a way for Obama to explain this choice in a way that does not violate — and in fact strengthens — his core message. His model in this should be Abraham Lincoln. What Lincoln did, as Doris Kearns Goodwin explained in her brilliant book, "Team Of Rivals," was to bring his most bitter opponents into his cabinet in order to maintain national and party unity at a time of crisis. Obama — who is a green legislator from Illinois, just as Lincoln was — could signal to his own supporters in picking Clinton that he isn't capitulating to old politics, he is demonstrating his capacity to reach out and engage and co-opt his rivals and opponents. It is consonant with his core message: that he can unify the country in a way few other politicians can. It would even help heal the gulf that has opened up between the Clintons and black voters in this campaign. It's win-win all round"
Sugapea, if Obama takes Hillary and Bill as his VP's, he is a bullet away from her taking the oath. One way or another, whether now, 2012 or sometime after Obama's assassination, Hillary and Bill will resume their place as head of the political Billderberg machine. No way can Obama pick the Clintons to run on his ticket.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Hill-Billy will take their 2% (undoubtedly Limbaugh stand-ins) and declare a mandate to go on.
Think of the pure relief we all felt just a few hours ago...ahhh...being DONE with the damned Clintons, at least as candidates. I've HAD IT with them. I used to like Bill, and wanted to like Hillary, but I see way more mendacity...
For many of us it is kinda like a Stephen King novel where some beloved or trusted person lets the mask slip and you see them slightly ajar...through a prism, and see the banal evil take the place of the benign.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
Bostonian, there are more people out here than you think who won't let that happen, which is why I've tossed my lot with the Obama camp.
There has been too much hate and fear in this country lately, and the wise are standing up and being counted. After all, we stopped a hater named Hitler 60 years ago, didn't we? Time to remember what this country is really about and there are those of us out here who will remind everyone else--freedom and opportunity for a fulfilling life is for everyone. This idea, expressed by Obama last night, is first and foremost. We musn't ever let the haters with their "superiority" complexes take over. It's necessary for the survival of everyone.
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
By the time the GOP smear machine is finished with Obama, he will be portrayed as an anti-american radical with an unknown past and lots of unsavory terrorist friends.
It's unfair and untrue but it will be the GOP spin.
It's a rock and a hard place for Dems. Obama is a better leader -- but more vulnerable to swift-boating.
domino
· 1 year ago
In Denver, we are hearing thunder. Before dawn. It scared the dogs.
Milli
· 1 year ago
I wanted to give John Kerry a big, wet kiss last night. Olbermann interviewed him last night just before polls were closing . He said that Hillary needs to drop out and he brought up the fact that Rush Limbaugh was telling repubs to vote Hillary and that should say it all. He was very adamant about his displeasure with Hillary. Why couldn't he do that to Bush in 04? This almost makes up for that. Almost.
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
"For many of us it is kinda like a Stephen King novel where some beloved or trusted person lets the mask slip and you see them slightly ajar"
Actually, I think the GOP "right-wing conspiracy" has been saying that since 1992. Perhaps they were right?
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
Everbody talks about the Obama vulnerability, but you never hear on the news or from the pundits the simple point that we know here, that they have been saving all the nasty crap they can use on Hillary til AFTER they get Obama out of the way.
Now why in the world would the Rovian bastards want Obama out of the way? Hmmm. Anyone that has watched Survivor has seen this a bunches of times right?
Brer rabbit? WHY the hell don't we replace some "where's Waldo" with those kinds of enlightened childrens stories? "please, whatever you do, don't throw me in the briar patch".
GrahamCrackerDC
· 1 year ago
"point that we know here, that they have been saving all the nasty crap they can use on Hillary til AFTER they get Obama out of the way."
True -- but a lot of the "nasty stuff" about Hillary Clinton has been in the media off and on for the past 16 years.
Obama's vulnerability is based on the the big "unknown", and lots of questionable stuff.
- African father, whose Muslim family is heavily involved in Kenyan politics - Indonesian Muslim step-father - 3-week trip to Pakistan as a college student. Obama hid this until very recently. Why? etc. etc
There's nothing to it -- but it will be spun effectively by GOP.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
Lincoln maybe got away with it, but I'm not sure politics was as dirty then as it has gotten. Maybe...but in any case, I think Hillary in a Obama WH would be suicide.
For one thing, She'd be bitter (hell, she's bitter NOW, and has been for months), she'd undermine. I don't think she'd be an asset, and face it...she WOULD bring a lot of negative baggage to the picture. She HASN'T been under fire yet, Obama decided to take the high road. Something I always wished a pol would do someday. The GOP has held their fire on her, because they want her to be their opponent. Nobody has pummeled her, triangulated on her, and if a repub like McCaine went against her, her unfortunate history of public lies, switching tactics (changing rules midstream. Hell he can knock her legitimacy, if she cheats to get in the race), switching stories, Bill philandering, all of it and more.
Obama is much better off picking a new face, one that will add. His "message of hope" would be really discredited by taking on Mrs. Negativity, the one who causticly and viciously attacked Obama for all his "hooope" with a ton of sarcasm.
TomJoad
· 1 year ago
Graaham, except in a presidential race it gets repackaged, and they have a LOT more from her actions in the race to work with. Plus they get to represent it and do so with the cumulative effect....instead of spread over 16 years, it will be spread over 3 months. The mass and density will create a black hole of despair and contempt that will suck in the universe.
OlderAndWiser
· 1 year ago
I went to the Canadian side as a child quite a few times when I lived in Buffalo as a child.
Does that make me a Canadian, or can I keep my citizenship? When people put 2 and 2 together, it only makes 4. After all, many Americans have made trips to Vietnam, too. Does that make them a communist? Does that make executives who live in China and SE Asia communists? Or is a cigar just a cigar (even though Bill might not think so). There are probably Americans who actually LIVE in Pakistan, too, but don't subscribe to radical Islamic politics.
The haters just keep making things up--they need to be put down with the truth. It's time to put the innuendoes and half-truths to rest. People are getting sick of it, except those who are the real sickos.
O&W: good points. If you live beside someone who ends up to be an axe murderer does that make you one? If that is the tactic used by McCain, then he has given our side a ton of the same kind of logic. His campaign staffed filled with lobbyists, his association with lobbyists, his cheating on first wife and kids, his association with a beer distributor, his strange time in captivity in Vietnam, his making videos for the Viet Cong, his destruction of 5 planes (does he know how to fly), his lack of remembering anything close to the facts. My point is, do you believe in the person, do we believe in what Senator Obama will try to change in Washington. If he doesn't get it done it won't be because he didn't try.
As far as having Clinton as VP, those days have long passed, they passed when they inserted race into the game, they passed when she refused to see she couldn't win and that a coalition was possible, they passed when she repeatedly put McCain and his right wing ideals about our liberal morals, it passed when she refused to apologize for voting for the war, it passed when she repeatedly lied about Bosnia, it passed when she tried to become "one of the little people", it passed when she looks down her nose when debating with Obama and it sure as hell passed when Bill waved his finger and scolding us for not wanting on the Clinton boat to Hell. No, she brings nothing to the table, and behind the scenes could actively work against him. Just think of Bill let loose in the VP's quarters. She would be pushing all the old guard of Bill's advisors a frightening return to the 90's.
SeekTheTruth
· 1 year ago
Joe,
I sure hope you're right. She does need to go now.
I thought it was telling that she said, for the first time in recent weeks, that she would back the Democractic nominee.
She needs to get ALL her supporters behind Barack.
SeekTheTruth
· 1 year ago
Joe,
I sure hope you're right. She does need to go now.
I thought it was telling that she said, for the first time in recent weeks, that she would back the Democractic nominee.
She needs to get ALL her supporters behind Barack.
Smarmy
· 1 year ago
Clinton and her team are already in West Viriginia campaigning! She's a borderline dolt.
allpeopleunite
· 1 year ago
You say it depends on Team Clinton, why doesn't Team Obama just step up and start fighting McCain, he doesn't need to wait until Hilary drops out to do that.
DCinDC
· 1 year ago
Where are those democratic 527s to attack McCain. Where are the 527s to peel away those core McCain voters? Where are the smart democrats that can organize, fund and draft messages for 527s that can post advertisement that will put an intense heat on McCain? It is time for the 527s to start making their moves and burn the John McCain house to the ground.
All Comments
Wow....what a night...what a win !
I even agreed with Joe Scarborough this morning.....Obama has found his voice again.....what a moving and awesome speech he gave.
LET'S UNITE THIS PARTY BEHIND OBAMA AND WIN THIS ELECTION...THAT IS WHAT WE ALL WANT.
Because she's the War Party's favorite
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12800
I am over the moon about Obama's win in NC. As an aging, retired person, I'm just amused at the various boomers and conservative elderly who gave their support to Clinton--isn't it about time that we have someone like Obama who has the bona fides to lead this country in the right direction, not in the ways of Old School politics? Young people with smarts, vision and the political will to make the US once again the land of opportunity for all people absolutely have to take over the running of this country. It's time to pass the baton...
I got the same chill. The day can't come soon enough. :-)
Imagine the potential impact of the Obama nomination -King speech serendipity. It could serve to electfify the country (and World) and pave the way for an Obama victory.
The Rethugs have no mojo left--because all the juice is on Obama's side. Let's bury the Rethugs and their impotent, moribund ideology for the next 100 years!
Clinton may have 9 lives, but she's down for the count
The Clintons are like a cat that gets run over but refuses to die. It crawls off the road and makes it to a backyard, hiding under the deck, in the shadows, eyes like slits, panting for days, stubbornly refusing to give it up.
But it's over for Hillary.
What's left is the counting. She's determined, a tough and gritty cat under that deck. But it's over Hillary. It's done. Come on out now.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087...
Just another boondoggle move by the Fed for banks.
Hillary might do the right thing if Bubba wasn't there urging her on.
But, from everything I've read, everytime Hillary gets ready to pack it in, Bubba just convinces her to get dirtier and nastier.
He proposes: An Obama/Clinton Ticket!
"I'm talking about the possibility — and the powerful logic — of a unity Obama-Clinton ticket for the Democrats".
There's also a way for Obama to explain this choice in a way that does not violate — and in fact strengthens — his core message. His model in this should be Abraham Lincoln. What Lincoln did, as Doris Kearns Goodwin explained in her brilliant book, "Team Of Rivals," was to bring his most bitter opponents into his cabinet in order to maintain national and party unity at a time of crisis. Obama — who is a green legislator from Illinois, just as Lincoln was — could signal to his own supporters in picking Clinton that he isn't capitulating to old politics, he is demonstrating his capacity to reach out and engage and co-opt his rivals and opponents.
It is consonant with his core message: that he can unify the country in a way few other politicians can. It would even help heal the gulf that has opened up between the Clintons and black voters in this campaign. It's win-win all round"
Read it here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/column...
----
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Indiana isn't Hillary's victory, it's Rush Limbaugh's.
For many of us it is kinda like a Stephen King novel where some beloved or trusted person lets the mask slip and you see them slightly ajar...through a prism, and see the banal evil take the place of the benign.
There has been too much hate and fear in this country lately, and the wise are standing up and being counted. After all, we stopped a hater named Hitler 60 years ago, didn't we? Time to remember what this country is really about and there are those of us out here who will remind everyone else--freedom and opportunity for a fulfilling life is for everyone. This idea, expressed by Obama last night, is first and foremost. We musn't ever let the haters with their "superiority" complexes take over. It's necessary for the survival of everyone.
It's unfair and untrue but it will be the GOP spin.
It's a rock and a hard place for Dems. Obama is a better leader -- but more vulnerable to swift-boating.
Actually, I think the GOP "right-wing conspiracy" has been saying that since 1992. Perhaps they were right?
Now why in the world would the Rovian bastards want Obama out of the way? Hmmm.
Anyone that has watched Survivor has seen this a bunches of times right?
Brer rabbit? WHY the hell don't we replace some "where's Waldo" with those kinds of enlightened childrens stories? "please, whatever you do, don't throw me in the briar patch".
True -- but a lot of the "nasty stuff" about Hillary Clinton has been in the media off and on for the past 16 years.
Obama's vulnerability is based on the the big "unknown", and lots of questionable stuff.
- African father, whose Muslim family is heavily involved in Kenyan politics
- Indonesian Muslim step-father
- 3-week trip to Pakistan as a college student. Obama hid this until very recently. Why?
etc. etc
There's nothing to it -- but it will be spun effectively by GOP.
For one thing, She'd be bitter (hell, she's bitter NOW, and has been for months), she'd undermine. I don't think she'd be an asset, and face it...she WOULD bring a lot of negative baggage to the picture. She HASN'T been under fire yet, Obama decided to take the high road. Something I always wished a pol would do someday. The GOP has held their fire on her, because they want her to be their opponent. Nobody has pummeled her, triangulated on her, and if a repub like McCaine went against her, her unfortunate history of public lies, switching tactics (changing rules midstream. Hell he can knock her legitimacy, if she cheats to get in the race), switching stories, Bill philandering, all of it and more.
Obama is much better off picking a new face, one that will add. His "message of hope" would be really discredited by taking on Mrs. Negativity, the one who causticly and viciously attacked Obama for all his "hooope" with a ton of sarcasm.
Does that make me a Canadian, or can I keep my citizenship? When people put 2 and 2 together, it only makes 4. After all, many Americans have made trips to Vietnam, too. Does that make them a communist? Does that make executives who live in China and SE Asia communists? Or is a cigar just a cigar (even though Bill might not think so). There are probably Americans who actually LIVE in Pakistan, too, but don't subscribe to radical Islamic politics.
The haters just keep making things up--they need to be put down with the truth. It's time to put the innuendoes and half-truths to rest. People are getting sick of it, except those who are the real sickos.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/07/clinto...
As far as having Clinton as VP, those days have long passed, they passed when they inserted race into the game, they passed when she refused to see she couldn't win and that a coalition was possible, they passed when she repeatedly put McCain and his right wing ideals about our liberal morals, it passed when she refused to apologize for voting for the war, it passed when she repeatedly lied about Bosnia, it passed when she tried to become "one of the little people", it passed when she looks down her nose when debating with Obama and it sure as hell passed when Bill waved his finger and scolding us for not wanting on the Clinton boat to Hell. No, she brings nothing to the table, and behind the scenes could actively work against him. Just think of Bill let loose in the VP's quarters. She would be pushing all the old guard of Bill's advisors a frightening return to the 90's.
I sure hope you're right. She does need to go now.
I thought it was telling that she said, for the first time in recent weeks, that she would back the Democractic nominee.
She needs to get ALL her supporters behind Barack.
I sure hope you're right. She does need to go now.
I thought it was telling that she said, for the first time in recent weeks, that she would back the Democractic nominee.
She needs to get ALL her supporters behind Barack.
Where are the smart democrats that can organize, fund and draft messages for 527s that can post advertisement that will put an intense heat on McCain? It is time for the 527s to start making their moves and burn the John McCain house to the ground.