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AMERICAblog: Wednesday Morning Open Thread

  • mehrrh · 8 months ago
    If Obama laughs as he did on 60 Minutes, he is too cavalier.
    If Obama is sober as he was last night, he is too testy.
    If he quickly and correctly responds to a question based on ridiculous republican talking points about being too slow to respond, he is angry.
    The media corps are the ones behind the curve, they are listening and parroting republican talking points and false claims; and they are finding Obama is up to the challenge, which displeases them.
    Where were these guys when Bush was destroying the nation? Obama is trying to fix it and they are doing their utmost to stymie him.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 8 months ago
    According to the chattering classes, he is always "walking a fine line," or needs to "walk a fine line." Or "thread the needle very carefully." ALWAYS, no matter what he does or doesn't do.

    Bush, on the other hand, could just be himself, that winkin' nicknamin' brush-clearin' struttin' cowboy. THAT the punditry effin' loved.
  • LuZenMyMnd · 8 months ago
    Mehrrh
    I agree. I get so sick of everyone trying to dictate this man's every move. They need to back up...give him some latitude and longitude to manuver and stfu.

    He can't possibly be all things to all people. The man is NOT God.
  • paulbe · 8 months ago
    National debt of 11 trillion, and now "printing money, to buy up treasury debt. America has now formerly commenced on the road to destruction of the US dollar and the beginning of hyperinflation. Must be nice having an articulate President to make it sound like a good thing.
  • ComradeRutherford · 8 months ago
    The Republican Party created that debt, they are the ones to blame for the 'destruction of the US dollar'.

    Bush inherited a solid economy and a budget surplus, and turned it into the biggest debt the world has ever seen.

    The historical record is crystal clear, going back over 100 years: The Democrats are the party of sound fiscal policy, and the Republicans are the ones that intentionally screw it up.

    Bush and the Republican party are solely to blame for the current global crisis, Democrats -once again- are being called on to fix their mess.
  • CDS2 · 8 months ago
    How quickly you forget that the past two years have been in the control of the Democrats. Also, you may have heard of 9-11, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....they had something to do with the economy ....(again, lest you forget, most Democrats voted for the war in Iraq) Katrina was another problem for the economy, but again, the D's had the control, and continually voted to fund the war in Iraq. Also, the Bush tax cuts designed to bring us out of the Clinton recession had something to do with it.
  • Jophus · 8 months ago
    So it is the democrats fault that each meal our hundreds of thousands of soldiers ate multiple times everyday were 40 dollars a piece and cost less than 3 dollars?

    I don't think the concern should be on blame right now, but a solution. Does it matter where it came from as much as getting shit under control?

    Why would you prefer to fight when everyone needs to be working towards solutions? By the way what are your solutions to the problem?
  • CDS2 · 8 months ago
    Hey, I was just responding to the post above, where all the blame was put on the Republicans. I agree, let's look forward, but that means look forward. And, to respond to the meal thing....I don't know, who's fault is it that they cost that much? The Congress provided the money? Why didn't they control the costs...they were in the majority.
  • Lolis · 8 months ago
    Haven't you heard of the presidential veto? Bush still set the debate and he vetoed many of the programs that Dems and Republicans passed, like S-CHIP. If you think Dems had absolute power you simply do not understand the legislative process. They only held a slim majority in the Senate, which is not powerful enough to override the president.
  • mirth · 8 months ago
    Maybe it is merely that people like CDS2 don't understand the legislative process. Or maybe they just hang onto this last pitiful mewling because it's all they have left, no matter how ridiculous it makes them seem when they repeat it.
  • CDS2 · 8 months ago
    Of course the POTUS has the veto, but the Democrats took ownership of the war the minute they voted to fund it. All I really want to do is look forward, but folks like 'ComradRutherford' continue to look back and make foolish comments about the Republicans being totally at fault. It's simply not true.
  • Jophus · 8 months ago
    It is a product of one of many no bid contracts. It wasn't my point or anything, just an illustration of how that war was mishandled (not to mention irresponsible and just wrong), if you think it was a necessary expense.
  • CDS2 · 8 months ago
    No question that the war was mishandled....by Bush...and the Democrats who gave the enemy a reason to keep fighting.
  • shano · 8 months ago
    The 8 BILLION in cash Bush shipped over to the Iraq war zone mysteriously vanished!!
    Who would have thought that would happen? Poor Bush, he had such good intentions!
    And that was just a drop in the bucket of the graft and theft that went on in the Bush years.
    Bush created the biggest transfer of wealth (from average people to the super rich) in US history.
  • CDS2 · 8 months ago
    What does your comment have to do with my comment? Did you even read my response to ComradRutherford?
  • michaelt · 8 months ago
    what must be nice is shitting all over solutions without having any of your own.

    what would you do in all of your infinite wisdom?

    scratch your balls again?
  • ComradeRutherford · 8 months ago
    I was astonished. My, my, how things change when a Democrat is President.

    There was more anger and pointed questions and rudeness form the press corps in that room last night than they ever displayed in 8 combined years of fawning over Bush.

    When Bush would do something, like announce the revocation of the 4th Amendment by allowing police to search your home without cause or warrant, the press only licked his boots more slavishly.

    When Obama announces he's trying to save the global economy from 8 years of intentional mis-management by the Republican Party, the press corps hate him.

    WTF?!
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 8 months ago
    CBS revealed this morning that test audience LOVED O's smack-down of Ed (Douchebag) Henry.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 8 months ago
    Haiku for the Obama Administration (#144):

    Idol pre-empted?!
    Dawg made that presser his own:
    Talked back to douche judge.
  • Lolis · 8 months ago
    Love this one. You should set up your own blog with all your haikus.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 8 months ago
    Thank you. I like being part of the Ablog "community." And having a bigger readership, as a result.
  • KarenMrsLloydRichards · 8 months ago
    Haiku for the Obama Administration (#145):

    He's overexposed!
    Failing "journalists" complain;
    He's making them work . . .
  • Rob Mule · 8 months ago
    Boo hoo...(snif!!!)
    Poor AIG-Financial Products employee Jake De Santis...He can make ends meet but he's steamed that poor people might have their suffering eased somewhat, in part, from his highly over-compensated and not so laborious former duties:

    On March 16 I received a payment from A.I.G. amounting to $742,006.40, after taxes. In light of the uncertainty over the ultimate taxation and legal status of this payment, the actual amount I donate may be less

    (sob!!!) They may even have to sell their 2nd vacation home!!! Oh the humanity!!!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/opinion/25des...
  • Older_Wiser · 8 months ago
    It would take a person earning $35K (before taxes, even) 21 years to accumulate that kind of money.

    What kind of over-privileged people do these yahoos think they are? Yeah, oh, the humanity, all right. [snark]

    de Santis will be lucky he doesn't wind up in jail. Donate? Don't make me laugh.
  • Older_Wiser · 8 months ago
    After yesterday's loss, going to be interesting to see how the stock market does today. They seemed to love the fact that they're getting a chance to get bargains on the CDOs and guaranteed loans from the Treasury but didn't seem to appreciate Geithner wanting Treasury and the Fed to have greater control over markets.
  • AdrianBrowne · 8 months ago
    If the Wingnuts believe Obama has "too much on his plate" then why do they focus on bizarre trivialities?
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 8 months ago
    m.bachman at it again???



    Bachmann unclear on Constitution?

  • grandma · 8 months ago
    She's just plain nuts .....
  • Older_Wiser · 8 months ago
    Bachmann opens mouth, always inserts foot. She's as ignorant as the people who voted her in. But, of course, bring up something like the Constitution, which she obviously knows nothing about, and people think she's a genius for even bringing it up. Cheeez.
  • Rob Mule · 8 months ago
    Ablog should have a contest so we could vote for the The Dumbest Winger on Cable.
    So many nominees, so little time...
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    Bachmann tried to steal a few extra minutes in the hearing yesterday, and Barney Frank cut her off beautifully. She turned her Revlon-tainted tresses around to give him the stare, to no avail.
    And then there was Maxine Waters whose new expensive ad campaign for re-election needed some yes-no answers and new sound bites. Geithner was the victim.
    Her gushy defense of the brilliant Franklin Raines, rip-off artist at Fannie or Freddie, is still on youtube....
  • JS · 8 months ago
    We could eliminate most of the deficit if we could get the politicians to get the 100 billion a year from taxes avoided by the corporations by using offshore accounts. See article on Crooks & Liars today, perhaps citizens should push for this, Obama tried to a couple of years ago, but of course Bush stopped it!
  • red_dwarf · 8 months ago
    JS - good point. While Darth Vader was with Haliburton he increased their off-shore subsidiaries from a few to over 40 I believe.

    If Joe six pack gets behind a few thousand on his $15,000 yearly income the IRS is there to add thousands more as collection penalities.

    Funny thing that Corporations want to be treated as "people" under the law - however, it's kinda hard for "people" to move their bank accounts to a safe tax-free off-shore location.
  • artisticfreedom · 8 months ago
    I got a kick out of the idiot on CNN this morning who said that President Obama looks like a guy who bumped into a cabinet, and is trying to catch everything that is falling off the shelves. Hey stupid! It was the chimp that you and your genius friends allowed into the room who started knocking things off the shelves!
  • Rob Mule · 8 months ago
    I saw that...Ironically, the speaker was a laid-off teevee producer drummed up for one of CNN's ho-hum post event ordinary people round-tables and likely someone who helped cheerlead the chimp's dish knocking...
  • Ginger_FL · 8 months ago
    My son and I watched the presser last night. My son is nearly 18...he did some work with me for Obama during the campagn as well.
    The last 8 years I have avoided anything "presidential" (appearances, pressers, state of the unions, speaking engagements etc)
    Now, I watch nearly everything Obama does with great interest. I don't always agree with him and always take anyone to task who claims he's left of anything...but I appreciate his intelligent, confident ...dare I say....Competent...manner.
    I feel re-assured when he speaks...I feel like it will be okay and things will get better. I feel like we have someone actually driving the "ship" instead of allowing it to bob in rough seas with nobody in the wheel house.

    His answer regarding the charities was bang on... I felt the same way when I read the reports about Charities complaining...
    Most people (the 95% who pay the most for everything) don't give based on how much our deduction will be.....in fact I never knew what sort of deduction it was all these years.
    We give because we have a desire to help.
    If rich people are shallow enough not to give based on their deduction % then that tells me all I need to know about them!
  • LuZenMyMnd · 8 months ago
    Ginger,
    I was the same way. During the past 8 years, anytime Bush would come on, I'd change the tv to the cartoon channel. His very voice irritated the hell outta me.

    Now, it's nice to have someone who can articulate a well thought out sentence.

    Last night the president was also "dead on" when he said that rich people "will still be well to do." His tax changes are not going to force them into middle incomed America. They will still have the advantage and prestige of being counted in the upper eschelon.

    All I can do is shake my head and say, "These selfish people."
  • LuZenMyMnd · 8 months ago
    It really blows my mind that ALL of a sudden....the Conservadems, the Republicans and the Press bought some courage. When Pinkie and the Brainless were calling the shots, NONE of them stood up to voice opposition.

    Now all we hear IS opposition w/NO solutions. As far as I'm concerned, they're all grandstanding.

    As far as The POTUS....it's refreshing to have someone say, "I don't know." And someone who is willing to try something different. But one thing I do know....he's not going to allow some to succeed while others are left behind. "We're ALL in this together--We rise and fall together." That's something I can believe in.

    It's the republicans who are the TRUE elitest.
  • grandma · 8 months ago
    Good morning....

    via Kos:

    The health-insurance industry said Tuesday that it would be willing to stop charging sick people more for their coverage if all Americans were required to buy insurance.

    The proposal, included in a letter sent to Senate leaders by the industry's two main trade groups, is the latest move by health insurers to portray themselves as constructive participants, rather than obstacles, in the debate over how to overhaul the U.S. health-care system.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/25/712...
  • nicho · 8 months ago
    Do you really believe what insurance companies say. They will screw you 10 different ways every chance they get.
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    Are they on the ropes???
    Can it be possible!!!
    Is there really a possibility for single payer??
  • grandma · 8 months ago
    Cost of uninsured adds $1,100/year to premiums of insured families.

    When the uninsured cannot pay for the care they receive, health care providers shift costs to Americans with insurance in the form of higher premiums

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/24/cost-shift-...
  • rawdawgbuffalo · 8 months ago
    This tells me that our economic fundamentals still aint sound
  • Indigo · 8 months ago
    I especially enjoyed President Obama's response to the question about why he didn't get indignant about the AIG bonuses more quickly. To paraphrase him:
    "I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak up."
    :lol:
  • Dave of the Jungle · 8 months ago
    News Flash: U.S. President a non idiot
  • Rob Mule · 8 months ago
    I was struck by the cut-away wide shot that showed the teleprompter as Mr. Obama was delivering his opening remarks...I assume this was a pool video feed but sometimes cut-away cameras are not pool but blended into the pool video by the organization controlling the camera...Anyway, how perfect for the brainless right wing’s teleprompter smears!!!
    Not only does Mr. Obama like to think before opening his mouth (in contravention of the morning teevee S.O.P.) but he wants to speak these carefully chosen words carefully...This is what prompters are for.
    Unlike The Failure, whose media staff even Mourning Blow admitted should have thought of the ubiquitous device, Mr. Obama knows words uttered by a person in his position at these live events are important.
    Next time the president should skip CNN and GE as he did the WP and NYT.
  • lilybart · 8 months ago
    If he read the prompter and THEN spoke like an idiot, we might say the teleprompter is cheating. But he can read AND talk. Amazing!!1
  • lilybart · 8 months ago
    The reporters like Chuck Todd, acted like total tools. He kept after him about why Cuomo could get info on the bonuses but not the White House yada yada,,,I would say, Cuomo is just doing his job, and well and we thank him.
  • Rob Mule · 8 months ago
    That was Ed Henry, the Toddster's former Cap Hill C-SPIN companion...both are little cubicle queen brown-nosers.
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    He sounded more than a little hysterical...
  • Jones · 8 months ago
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/north...

    Barack Obama facing criticism for his "dial-a-pastor" advice line

    Barack Obama is under fire after replacing his estranged pastor Jeremiah Wright with a new circle of religious confidantes whose views are dramatically at odds with some of his political goals.

    By Tim Shipman in Washington
    Last Updated: 11:04PM GMT 21 Mar 2009

    The president is now taking spiritual guidance from no less than five different pastors, whom he phones for advice at moments of stress or when making big decisions.

    But a year after the incendiary rantings of Rev Wright threatened to derail Mr Obama's presidential campaign, revelation of the "dial-a-prayer" sessions has prompted critics to declare that he has a new "pastor problem".

    Four of the president's inner circle of religious counsellors have drawn the ire of gay rights groups since they are opposed to equal rights for homosexuals and in some cases believe that they can be cured of their "sin" through prayer.


    Others are concerned that the five preachers, ostensibly selected because they share Mr Obama's view that the church should help tackle poverty at the grassroots level, include two Texas megachurch pastors who preach that personal wealth is a sign of Godliness.

    The prayer circle is overwhelmingly opposed to abortion, a position at odds with Mr Obama's "anything goes" pro-choice stance, arguably the most liberal of any president in US history.

    Mr Obama has handed huge influence to Bishop T.D. Jakes, Kirbyjon Caldwell, Joel Hunter, Jim Wallis and civil rights veteran Otis Moss Jr, in part, because he and wife Michelle have failed to settle on a new church in Washington to replace the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago which they abandoned last year.

    White House sources say that the family have not yet found a congregation that meets their theological requirements and is big enough to cope with the disruption of frequent presidential visits and the likely swell in congregation that would accompany the Obamas' patronage. It will also have to be secured by the Secret Service.

    Mr Obama prayed with Otis Moss and Joel Hunter on the eve of his election and would have added Revs Jakes and Caldwell to the conference call if they had been available.

    The most controversial figure the president has been telephoning is Bishop T. D. Jakes, head of the 30,000 strong Potter's House parish in Dallas, who refers to homosexuality as "brokenness" and recently claimed that he wouldn't hire a sexually active gay person.

    When Rev Jakes' son Jermaine was arrested last month for soliciting gay sex in a Dallas park after exposing himself to two undercover male vice squad detectives, the bishop said he revealed he had issued "correction" to his son.


    Bishop Jakes has also been criticised for his advocacy of "prosperity theology", which teaches that God rewards the faithful with material gifts. In one sermon, "Provision for the Vision," he bragged about his own stable of luxury cars.

    Similar claims are levelled at Kirbyjon Caldwell, who runs the world's largest United Methodist congregation at Windsor Village Church in Houston, who has been criticised for going "too far in linking spiritual wholeness to financial wholeness".

    His church prohibits ordination for practicing homosexuals, same-sex unions and a woman on staff at Rev Caldwell's church runs a group called Metanoia, a gay conversion programme which claims to use Christian teaching to "cure" those "seeking freedom from homosexuality, lesbianism, prostitution, sex addiction and other habitual sins".

    That has enraged Obama supporter Wayne Besen, founder of Truth Wins Out, a New York organisation which campaigns against the "ex-gay" movement in the church, which insists that homosexuality is nothing more than a sinful lifestyle choice.

    He told The Sunday Telegraph: "I think Obama's got another pastor problem. There's a tendency to surround himself with these anti-gay preachers which is very offensive. These are people who believe that we are sinful and sick and that you can pray away the gay.

    "The notion that Obama can't find a pastor in America who doesn't have these outrageous extreme beliefs is baffling to many of us."

    Read the rest @:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/north...
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    excoriated if you do, excoriated if you don't.....
  • UKmum · 8 months ago
    I wouldn't take too much notice of The Daily *Torygraph*.Relative has just successfully sued them for telling lies.
  • LuZenMyMnd · 8 months ago
    This is a little crazy. The president SHOULD be able to go to church WHERE he choses. Why does he HAVE to believe as you chose for him to?

    Not every pastor is going to share his beliefs. Yet, he can still glean important spiritual sustenance for his own life. I have never seen a president scrutinized so much for his religious beliefs and practices. We're not all going to agree.

    So what if Bishop Jakes is against homosexuality??? We're all works in progress....and God is not finished with ANY of us yet. I think some go too far expecting everyone to agree w/their "enlighten" sense of liberty in all things. Let's agree where we can....and where we can't....agree to disagree.

    President Obama associates w/gays as well as straights. The media makes issues out of non-issues. There are a lot of things each and every one of us like and dislike. It doesn't HAVE to be a problem unless he governs from those dislikes. So far.....he has not. Let the man have a personal life!
  • mark · 8 months ago
    Once burnt.....

    Obama is doing something very savvy, he won't be held accountable no matter what bat sh*t crazy thing any of these 5 ministers might say, he just mentions he was at a different congregation, or that he couldn't possibly be accountable for a church he barely knows.The faith-based folks will still give him credit as a religious man.
  • PorridgeGun · 8 months ago
    Now I know why Bill Clinton only held four prime time pressers during his presidency, compared to Reagan, who held 31. The press corps ask questions of a Democratic president they wouldn't dream of asking a RushPiglican, and at times show total disrespect for the office. Someone commented yesterday that a couple of them were in Robert Gibbs presser mode. Apparently these reporters forgot where they were, Ed Henry obviously being one of them.


    Obama manages to defuse a lot of this by knowing his subject matter better than the people asking the questions. He also gives detailed answers to questions that don't deserve it, which the pundits of course mistake for wonkish, serious, boring and tired. The fact that the president had bring up Iran himself reflects badly on the press corp, considering how unprecedented it was.



    In some ways, Obama handles the press similar to JFK, except the latter defused hostile/gotcha questiona with humor:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_B3OBmb0Y
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., called Justice Antonin Scalia a "homophobe" when commenting on the possibility of a case involving gay marriages reaching the U.S. Supreme Court.
    http://www.abajournal.com/news/barney_frank_cal...
  • j · 8 months ago
    Our Lobby Day sponsored by Equality NC yesterday in Raleigh was a huge success. We are still the only state in the southeast(and one of a handful in the country) without an anti-gay marriage amendent on the books and I am sure it is because of this effort. Other parts of the agenda include safe schools (anti-bullying), removal of "crimes against nature (sodomy)" statutes and inclusive hate crimes legislation.

    If you have such an organization in your state I urge you get involved. Showing up at the statehouses does make a difference!

    NC ROCKS!
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    Malcolm L. Stewart, said Congress has the power to ban political books, signs and Internet videos, if they are paid for by corporations and distributed not long before an election. Mr. Stewart added that there was no difference in principle between the 90-minute documentary about Mrs. Clinton, “Hillary: The Movie,” and a 30-second television advertisement.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/washington/25...
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    LAS VEGAS -- Police detective Mark Menzie drove 55 miles into the desert Sunday to inspect the charred remains of a formerly silver Ford Expedition. Later, he sat in a kitchen on the city's south side where a 19-year-old man confessed to torching his girlfriend's Chrysler PT Cruiser. At noon Monday, Mr. Menzie was picking through the smashed windshield of a 2008 Land Rover in a desert canyon. His police radio crackled as he worked; another car was spotted burning southwest of the city.

    Years of no-money-down car loans followed by sinking home values and rising unemployment has made many people desperate over car payments they can no longer afford. For some, the answer is to ditch the car, report it stolen and collect the insurance money to pay it off without hurting their credit.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123793742263531...
  • maudgonne · 8 months ago
    Even as Mr Netanyahu was addressing the conference, however, Israel's Army Radio reported that he had agreed to build more homes inside Jewish settlements on the West Bank inside an area known as E-1, a few miles east of Jerusalem. Construction in this vital region could sever the West Bank in two, making the creation of a viable Palestinian state even more difficult. The radio station said this was part of a secret agreement with Avigdor Lieberman, the leader of the nationalist Yisrael Beitenu party, who is likely to be foreign minister in the new coalition.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middl...