Hey all you voters in California, so easily manipulated by homophobia and the Church of Latter Day Saints:
Thanks for making gay the new black!
houstonray
· 1 year ago
"gay is the new black"...I like it, of course, not in a cute/funny way, but in a 'sad day for humanity' way. I'm going to use that quote...it really drives home the point pretty harshly, which is what we need...
Rev_Sacrilege
· 1 year ago
It's a shame that even in California, people buy the Republican bullshit that queer marriage "harms" traditional marriage. I don't believe I've ever seen a hetero couple end their marriage because queer people can get married too. I'll see them all in hell.
As for us, again, I congratulate America. For the first time in a long time, we've faced the fearmongering from the right and told them we're not going to take it, and a new day dawns in our great nation.
davidinchelseama
· 1 year ago
Obama's Supreme Court picks will end Prop 8 in the long run.
All such laws against gay people will be history soon enough. I say ten years or less, and we will have full federal recognition of either gay marriage or civil unions with the same federal benefits as marriage.
Slim Cognito
· 1 year ago
I absolutely agree. These anti-gay amendments are dinosaurs. It just may take a little longer for them to die off.
Laura-In-CC (fka Doodlebug)
· 1 year ago
Yeah, that's great, but some of us are old and don't have that much longer that we can wait for full citizenship!
grandma
· 1 year ago
Good Morning indeed !
Thank you America !
and thank you John and Joe and Americablog !
In Minneapolis, joyful celebrations...
Obama supporters danced, swayed, sang, chanted and waved Obama-Biden signs in the streets and on the sidewalks as cars honked, often in rhythmic unison.
Across the Mississippi River, young people spilling out of the Bob Dylan concert at the university's Northrop Auditorium about 10:30 p.m. danced and cheered wildly upon hearing of Obama's victory.
Larry Turner of St. Paul ignited the concert crowd with his drum beats, which echoed for blocks around campus.
"When the kids came out of the concert, I was playing the beat and they just started dancing," Turner said. "I've never seen anything like that."
Throughout Minneapolis, reports of gunfire were called into police all night, but police officers who checked them out would quickly report that the sounds were just celebratory fireworks set off by citizens.
You guys (and women) at Americablog deserve congrats for playing as big a part as anybody in calling out the McCain campaign for the fraudulent train wreck that it was. How delightful it is to hear that websites like yours are getting so many hits. (Didn't you pass your hundred-millionth the other day?) The blogs are now a permanent force to be reckoned with!
Cheers.
stranded
· 1 year ago
That's a good reminder to me to say thanks to all the people who bring us Americablog. I've never been so engaged as I have with this election, and this site has become a basic part of my daily regimen. I'm excited by the prospects of the end of NeoCon days, but certain that they're going to continue their shenanigans until they can regroup, and we must never again let them take our country to the brink of destruction. It was an extraordinary candidate against a laughably inept one, at a time of great financial desperation in the country, and there's STILL what I consider a way-too-scary margin in actual votes. It's a wonderful day today, but seems only to have come with a razor's edge.
But for now I want to bask in the glow of victory. Congratulations to all the people who made this happen! What a great, great day.
grandma
· 1 year ago
Wall Street Journal has an article saying that America's treatment of Bush has been a disgrace.
It ends with......"Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House."
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They have the wrong headline...it should read Bush's Treatment of America has been a Disgrace. .....and Bush owns 'arrogance'
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
this tripe will be hard to take for awhile...
George Bush is reaping what he sowed. plain and simple. he should be jailed.
grandma
· 1 year ago
absolutely...he should be on trial for war crimes
Naked Bunny with a Whip
· 1 year ago
No surprise the wingnuts at WSJ don't understand that the POTUS is the people's servant, not their leader, and -- to use a phrase Bush liked so much -- serves at our pleasure. I've never understood the need on the right to have a daddy figure ordering them around.
Hmm....if I ever want to find more submissives, maybe I should go hang out with conservatives....
Barack Obama won the election because he saw what is wrong with this country: the utter failure of government to protect its citizens.
okojo
· 1 year ago
It looks like in the Senate Races, Stevens and Smith of Oregon are going to win...
Damn..
However overall, a good night...
dad
· 1 year ago
Joe, you saw it before some of us.
Good morning to you, Sir.
grandma
· 1 year ago
London Times has a great article on Michelle Obama:
Michelle Obama: a new type of First Lady
Everything about this woman speaks to the modern, post-feminist woman: she is manifestly clever, independently minded, attractive in a normal, accessible way (and not in a scary, plastic-fantastic Cindy way). Her demeanour is a reassuring mixture of sassy and self-deprecating; her easy, confident dress sense neither too sexy nor too self-conscious. Most of all, however, she appears to be the personification of sanity, a woman who, while clearly supportive of her husband’s quest for world domination, is nevertheless not afraid to point out when he is danger of drinking too much of his own Kool-Aid.
Joe Scarborough: It was like Neil Armstrong walking on the moon when Joe was a little wide-eyed kid. Joe felt the walls shaking from the tremor of all the joyous Obama voters underneath his hotel room. No longer can America be considered a racist country since white people will vote for a black President. People who voted for John McCain weren't racist, voting out of fear. No, they honored a hero. And any idea that McCain voters hated and feared Obama is dead wrong. It is a transcendent moment in American history, he said. AND THEN JOE SCARBOROUGH'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Mika Brzeszyncski: A huge moment. African-American college students fell to the ground in tears, she said. AND THEN MIKA BRZESZYNCSKI'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Willie Geist: There's a whole new generation, almost in his demographic, of Obama Democrats, he said. AND THEN WILLIE GEIST'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Pat Buchanan: African-Americans are full of joy and hope. Obama is the JFK of a new generation, just like Kennedy was for Irish-American guys like him and Barnicle. Before, that is, JFK was assassinated, Buchanan said. AND THEN PAT BUCHANAN'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Mike Barnicle: What happened put a big smile on the face of America. The earth moved, he said. AND THEN MIKE BARNICLE'S HEAD EXPLODED.
David Frum: Sarah Palin damaged the Party and a great candidate. All she did was bring out the base, and the GOP must move to the center by attracting college-educated voters, he said. AND THEN DAVID FRUM'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Steve Doocy: It all proves that America is not a racist country. And despite a heavy African-American turnout in Seattle's Pike Place Market last night to celebrate how not a racist country America is, there were no reports of damage or injury there, he said. AND THEN STEVE DOOCY'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Gretchen Carlson: If only more than 64% of the people had shown up to vote, maybe John McCain could have won. But the GOP knows how to concede with dignity. President Bush called to congratulate Barack and said his win was "awesome," she reported. AND THEN GRETCHEN CARLSON'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Brian Kilmeade: Since Shays lost, the whole Northeast is Blue. No exceptions, not even fiercely independent NH. It's amazing how emotional Oprah Winfrey was last night, he observed. AND THEN BRIAN KILMEADE'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Juan Williams: Obama's win means that America has gotten over its racial "hangups" and can even elect a guy who didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth. Now all kids in America can stop making gangsta rappers their role model. Barack Obama "dresses like a normal human being," he said. AND THEN JUAN WILLIAMS'S HEAD EXPLODED.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
hahahahaha!
so many heads...so little time.
houstonray
· 1 year ago
IF only!
Awesome post!!
Ethrdg
· 1 year ago
While I was elated to fall asleep after hearing President-elect Obama's victory speech, I had trouble staying asleep with the results of Proposition 8 still undecided in California.
Today, the outcome of that measure (it looks like the gay marriage ban will pass---52% to 48%) mars what should be a day of celebration for me. I struggle to juxtapose the two races--that we can be visionary and progressive, on one hand, and bigoted and antiquated, on the other.
I can only hope that an Obama-Biden administration will bring about a social shift in our country. To those in CA, my heart hurts with you this morning, even as we celebrate the overall victory for our country as a whole.
stranded
· 1 year ago
Hey, it wasn't just California! But I understand your point. Patience and persistence are called for now. We will get there. We've come a long long way already. Our new President-Elect is a sign of the powers of patience and persistence for oppressed people. A lawsuit has already been filed in California, and the ball continues to roll along.
dad
· 1 year ago
just happy.
bbock
· 1 year ago
I am celebrating and mourning. I am elated that Obama has one and can start the process of setting the country to rights. But, I'm mourning liberty in California. I was married on Friday. I assume I'm still married. But the registrar couldn't tell me. They don't know what will happen.
Ironically, it may well be Obama's win that is partly responsible for the win of Prop 8. Obama's candidacy brought record numbers of African Americans, something I applaud. I look forward to the reconciliation and reevaluation I hope that will take place. But African American's as a group tend to be anti-gay and those that have voted have been dependable supporters of anti-gay initiatives that Republicans put on ballots to excite their base. Obviously not all black people are like this. But too many it would seem.
I don't think Prop 8 was put onto the ballot to boost John McCain though. Putting my tinfoil hat on, I think it was a gambit by Catholics and Mormons to make Christians like them and accept them as Christian. They used intolerance to gain acceptance that they can't get on their own merits, other than their deep pockets.
Ethrdg
· 1 year ago
We're getting there, bbock... Ten years ago, gay marriage wouldn't even have been a discussion. It's a slow, hard, hearbreaking process--but we are getting there.
No matter the legal impact of this proposition on existing same-sex marriages, thank you and your partner for getting out there and marrying. Visibility paves the road to acceptance.
During the VP debate, Joe Biden said that in an Obama-Biden administration, there would be no distinction between the rights of same-sex and heterosexual couples. Civil rights, civil unions, domestic partnerships--if we can secure those rights at the federal level, I don't really mind what they call them... One step at a time... We are getting there...
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Don't try to minimize this to gay people, please. "We're getting there, bbock" doesn't change the fact, in the words of Rachel Maddow, "This is a BODY BLOW to gay Americans who have had a right that was given them, taken away" by a ballot measure. A right we were told would make the sky fall and earth split in two was successfully GIVEN TO US then our CIVIL RIGHTS were PLACED ON A DAMNED BALLOT to allow idiots to snatch it away from us. Please don't call it a "discussion" because it was a RIGHT that was stolen from us.
Maybe we should begin petitions to put rights granted straight people on "initiatives" in order for straight people to understand? I don't know if you are gay / straight or in between but I'm just sayin...
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
James Madison is spinning in his grave at this grotesque enactment of the "tyranny of the majority."
Naked Bunny with a Whip
· 1 year ago
You should. I've always said that Prop 8 should have included a divorce ban if it's really about the sanctity of marriage.
Naked Bunny with a Whip
· 1 year ago
Of course, the best constitutional amendment you could make in CA is to stop making constitutional amendments so damned easy to enact.
Ethrdg
· 1 year ago
For your information, I am a gay person. My partner and I have been together for almost ten years and had plans to move to CA and marry, should this initiative have failed. We'll still move to CA, but we'll continue to work for the change we hope to see, rather than celebrate what would have been a huge step forward. We currently live in Texas---such change will be a long time coming in this red state. CA--my partner's home state--has always been a place where we felt accepted and at home. This morning, we are devastated.
Sometimes, placing things in light of overall progress is the only way some people can deal with things in order to pick themselves up and keep pushing forward. Yes, we had this right given to us and then taken away. But we've gotten to the point where we CAN demand this right. It wasn't so long ago that the phrase "gay marriage" was not a part of the social/political discussion. Kind of like women's rights or civil rights for black people years ago, it just wasn't considered possible.
We can collapse in an angry tantrum or we can keep pushing forward. While it's hard for me to reconcile the civil rights progress made with the election of Obama with the civil rights taken away by these initiatives, all I can do is keep hoping. You have every right to your reaction, while I--and others--have the right to find strength where we can in order to keep working for what is right.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
You're right. I most definitely have a right to my tantrum, and I will exercise that right. Please don't try to patronize me, though. I've done a lot of work for civil rights and don't need to be schooled on how to handle a defeat such as this. Believe me, as a victim of a hate crime who testified before congress on Hate Crimes Legislation which is STILL waiting to be passed, I know how to have my tantrum, brush myself off and continue fighting.
Ethrdg
· 1 year ago
Wasn't patronizing, sir... Just didn't appreciate being shouted at. Please save your negativity and shouting for those who did this to us. And I certainly didn't appreciate being accused of minimizing something I've watched carefully every day since it was introduced, donated a good bit of money to defeat and worked to educate people about. My Google News search forever has "Propositon 8" burned into its memory by now, I'm sure...
It's awesome that you testified before Congress on the Hate Crimes bill... Hopefully, now that we have common sense back in the White House, we can get things back on the right---or would that be left?--course....
Laura-In-CC (fka Doodlebug)
· 1 year ago
No one "gave" us the right to marry! The Supreme Court only recognized that the right has always been there (but for anti-gay legislation that was being enforced in violation of our rights). Marriage is a "fundamental right" and CA just voted to eliminate a fundamental right -- no different from a vote to eliminate the rights enunciated in the 4 freedoms of the U.S. Constitution for a select class of people; i.e., Asians or Hispanics or blue-eyed people with hairy chests.
We married in Canada almost 5 years ago and I am a native Californian who has never been so ashamed and angered at my home state as I am this morning.
I live in Nevada and work for a government entity which has a health benefit plan that covers one's spouse and children FREE -- no premium cost to me. Do you think my wife can get her free coverage? NO! Because Nevadans passed a constitutional amendment in 2002 which was similarly worded to that in CA. Despite anti-discrimination policies/laws to the contrary, my retired 63 year-old wife is uninsured when she has a right to be insured like anyone else employed there.
Cowboy, I've said for years that we need to come up with an initiative/proposition for the ballots of states that do this to us which directly attacks, and tries to eliminate, the rights of another class of people. People will sign anything you put in front of them with a persuasive argument included and then maybe, just maybe, they can see what they have done.
I am so-o-o-o tired of being a second-class citizen!
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Doodlebug, I am so sad for you and your partner. As a partnered, but unmarried gay man, I am affected by having society look at me as "one of those people who can't marry." I think it is one of the most damaging things we can teach our children. That person is "less than" and not able to marry who he/she loves, or worse, that gay teen with the depressed though, "I am 'less than' and will never be able to marry and create a family of my own." How hateful and disgusting. Those of us who have already created our families have to tell our children. Well, society just isn't ready to protect your family like it does straight families even though those straight families show their contempt for marriage in a myriad of ways. My hope still lies in my nineteen year old son, who is not my biological child, but a child born of our FAMILY TIES who calls me "Pops" when he said he HATED the Republican Party for their divisiveness in keeping gays and lesbians from marrying. History will not be on their side, and I hope it just continues to punish those whose motivations are based on selfishness and hate masked by a claim they are somehow "doing it for Jesus." "Doodlebug" I'm ready to work with any organization that will start placing ballot initiatives that eliminate the rights of another class of people. Maybe we should do it against Mormons. I'm for attacking back that hateful church.
Indigo
· 1 year ago
The Mormon Roman Catholic coalition also passed an anti-gay bill in Florida, defining marriage as a state sacrament grounded in hatred of gays. The new administration is challenged before it's inaugurated. Too bad.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
i always forget to say good morning! good morning to all you wonderful people....virtual hugs all around.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
i almost did not watch McCain's concession speech. I did not want the sound of his voice to interfere with my joy. But in a way I am glad I did, because I sobered up extremely quickly when I heard the thugs who made up his campaign yelling out things that I hope I heard incorrectly---though I know I did not. It was like the bucket of cold water in my face. Yes, we have won, and I am joyful. I know that our work is just beginning. We can and will, do it proudly and in a spirit of cooperation and mutual goodwill. That is what the overwhelming majority of us want and will work to achieve. Yet these hate-filled people are not going to completely disappear, and we must remember that, and be ever aware.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
absolutely, and as far as I'm concerned after TWO YEARS of egging them on, McCain AND Palin, didn't do enough to SHUT THEM UP once and for all!
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
McCain couldn't control a few hundred people in a hotel ballroom. Contrast this with the crowd of hundreds of thousands in a public park who acted with civility when McPalin was mentioned...YES WE CAN be a people we are proud of!
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
If he couldn't control a few hundred people in a ballroom...just imagine how he couldn't control 325 million people.
brb915
· 1 year ago
Just woke up from as long a night as you all probably had. I am jubilant, excited, and brimming with hope and joy. I agree with you-----we have much work to do. But I'm gonna negative just once more before I rollup my sleeves TO ALL YOU JOE SCARBOROUGHS, PAT BUCHANANS, LAURA INGRAHAMS, MICHELLE BACHMANNS, AND RUSH LIMPBALLS---WE DIDN'T START UP ON BUSH UNTIL HIS CRAP WAS PROOF POSITIVE. Oh yeah we suspected, we talked, we watched. I think the look on his face 9/11 did it for me. SO--------NOBODY SAID IT WOULD BE LIKE THE RED SEA PARTING------S T F UP, GET YOUR OWN DAMN GUT CHECK STARTED, AND GET BACK TO TRUE DISCOURSE IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT YAPPING YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT BUSH, HIS CONSTITUTIONAL DUMPSTER FIRE, HIS UNLAWFUL WARMONGERING, AND THE UNMITIGATED DEBACLE HE AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE LEFT US WITH Now, I am back to happiness, and planning the next 8 years
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Thanks for your rant. It was cathartic just reading it.
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
agreed. finally the best man won!
triple7s
· 1 year ago
The right-wing wacko, hate filled calls on c-span are coming fast and furious. These people are cannot seem to let go of all the "FIXED NEWS" talking points.
Savage8862
· 1 year ago
Gays and Lesbians in this country are not privy to this "change". All anti-gay amendments passed. So while most celebrate this victory as we all should, the gay and lesbian community who lost big time tonight cannot. Gays and lesbians are still considered second class citizens. I am proud that Obama won but I am not proud for those who voted for change yet still voted to take away and restrict the rights of gay and lesbian families.
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
I take the good news today of Obama. And we have more work to do for our rights in the days...years to come.
red_dwarf
· 1 year ago
Savage - its a religious thing - its going to take more work. I was reading a thread over at Kos and they said the black (>60%) and latino (>50%) were crucial in the passage of Proposition 8 - strange at first glance but its Religion.
Another threader said to remember what Ghandi said: (1) First they ignore you, (2) then they laugh at you, (3) then they fight you, (4) then you win.
GLBT rights are at stage 3. The fight continues. It will be won Savage, no doubt about it, but Religion and their $ is still a toxin in our society and it is going to take more time.
ComradeRutherford
· 1 year ago
President Obama!!!
Boy, that sounds good.
My wife and I were on the couch last night watching the count, and we just happened to start making love. We had the most wonderfully sensual lovemaking, the kind we haven't had for a year. We had rockin' sex for half an hour.
When we calmed down again, it was 11:07 East coast time. Obama had won!
We take full responsibility: our fantastic sex put Obama over the top! If we hadn't been screwing, Obama never would have won...
*****
I feel the same giddiness that I felt after Clinton won in 1992. Of course he went on the be a right-of-center Republican, but he did save the nation from the Conservative's effort to destroy the American Dream. While Obama is another right-of-center Republican, I feel confident that he too will save America from the Conservative plan to destroy everything America stands for...
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
Let us know in 9 months how good the lovemaking was. :) :) :)
ComradeRutherford
· 1 year ago
Heh, too late for that. We knocked her up last July! Pregnant women are so sexy.
Maybe modern medical science will finally discover what causes that...
Charles2
· 1 year ago
"We" knocked her up?
Wow... LOL!
Congratulations. If it's a boy will you name him Barack?
Charles2
· 1 year ago
As exhausted as we all are - and imagine how tired the Obamas are - now is when the hard work begins.
And now that the liberal blogosphere is no longer the opposition we have to figure out what our role will be in a country now turned more blue than it's been in a long, long time.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Was watching a little of FOX NEWS and "Morning Joe" for a little "Schadenfreude in the morning." They haven't changed their stripes much except some of the rats are being opportunistic and pretending they were latent supporters for change.
Charles2
· 1 year ago
I forgot about FOX! How great will it be to watch them as they really turn into the dis-loyal opposition.
I wonder how ugly they will get now...
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
They were REAL UGLY this morning. They all looked like someone had died, and were doing sophmoric distracting stunts while "Live" on air. I think most of the opportunist who joined FOX now realize they have locked themselves out of their precious access. GOOD for THEM!
HereinDC
· 1 year ago
I heard a caller on a radio show this morning.... and he said...
"Now I know what it was (is) like when a country is liberated"
houstonray
· 1 year ago
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
WadeMD
· 1 year ago
Notice how the farm animal equality proposition in CA passed with more than 60% of the vote while we couldn't even get to 50% for gay rights. Sad.
Savage8862
· 1 year ago
So animals are more important to Californians than gay and lesbians? SO I guess I am truly non-human and worthy of being beat down time after time.
WadeMD
· 1 year ago
Kevin Beckner is a friend of mine here in Tampa and just became the first openly gay county commissioner. So, one dot of brightness for us here.
As far as the tide of LGBT rights, we need to do something drastic. For me, this has now become the number one issue in my mind when voting. I will NEVER vote for anyone who says something like, "i think marriage should be between a man and woman, however, everyone should have the same rights." I have been a staunch democratic voter in the past, I think I only voted for a republican once because the democrat was a complete asshat. Not again. No one gets my vote without firmly standing on my side. Obama and all my congresspeople will NOT get my vote in the next cycles if they aren't doing something proactive to help me. If all LGBT voters stand in unity for candidates who stand for us, regardless of party, our issues may become more important to the two major parties. We need a new grass roots movement, a real "gay agenda," to make sure our voices aren't silenced and that farm animals don't have more rights then we do.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
We need to start doing more non violent protests. We need to organize strikes. We can't remind silent on this subject. Our families stand in the balance, and this election was a SEA CHANGE. There is NO EXCUSE for our rights not to be recognized.
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
Ironic huh....humane treatment of the farm animals is more important than humane treatment of humans in a way. Glad it passed, just seems weird.
WadeMD
· 1 year ago
i would have voted for the ethical treatment of animals as well. But it is telling when a significant portion of voters had to make the conscious decision to help animals but hurt us.
LeeFromHamburgNY
· 1 year ago
Is it ok to marry a goat in CA now?
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
No I believe the law is only for veal calves, pigs, and chickens...(seriously)
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
As much JOY and RELIEF as there is for most Americans, Propositiong EIGHT, reminds us that "not every child in America" can become President of the United States. If you are a gay or lesbian child, you can NOT become President of the United States. In fact, you can't even get married to help support your spouse and children with the same rights straight people enjoy. You are inherently UNEQUAL because a majority of Californians say so... "separate but equal" isn't the same thing.
triple7s
· 1 year ago
I will never get how so many are threatened by two people sharing love and commitment. The area where I live (bible belt) has an ENORMOUS DIVORCE RATE, adultery is rampant, and folks give up their kids to the grandparents at the drop of hat, or "pants" as the case may be. I would like to hear an explanation of gay marriage bias that makes sense.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
However, you CAN, inexplicably, be elected, by an overwhelming margin, Senator from South Carolina.
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
doesn't proposition 8 screw up a lot of people besides gay people?
WadeMD
· 1 year ago
No, it was specific for gay people. The one here in FL will screw countless people. The domestic partnerships in Broward, Palm Beach, Sarasota, and Hillsborough counties will be challenged and overturned, just like those in Michigan.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Good.
The more straight people who get screwed by these things, the more support you'll have in overturning them.
I'm straight and I constantly tell straight friends that "gay marriage" is just the first step: After that, the fundies want to go after straights "living in sin" with minors present, no-fault divorces, single mothers, etc., etc., etc.
They won't believe it until it starts happening.
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
Yep. Eventually every couple who marries will be required to breed and procreate or that little license will be revoked (we could only hope). That's how it should be anyway. You marry, you better start dropping babies in that first 2 years or your license will not be renewed. Too many couples without children, they should pay more taxes or start having babies dammit.
WadeMD
· 1 year ago
My partner is a divorce attorney, ironically enough. The alimony statues in FL state that alimony can be challenged if the ex-spouse receiving it is in a supportive relationship "substantially equivalent" to the previous marriage. Our amendment now uses those exact words in reference to banning marriage and anything "substantially equivalent thereof." He had numerous clients who left their spouses for someone of the same sex. He's going to try to use this to argue that they should continue to receive alimony because their new supportive same-sex relationships aren't now recognized by the FL constitution. This should get good.
BusyTimmy
· 1 year ago
Brilliant.
Older_Wiser
· 1 year ago
I'm so over the moon as well! Went out and bought 4 Charlotte Observers which had a beautiful full front page picture of the new First Family. I will preserve these papers for posterity and will, before I die, will them to my beautiful grandchildren, who voted for Obama.
Kozar
· 1 year ago
An incredible evening to say the least. If I could be indulged for a few observations. Race was not to be an issue during the campaign, but it became THE issue on victory, I am still of the opinion that the "change" is in the ideals and not in the color of a man's skin. The Prop 8 failure along with others throughout the country emphasize the point that the election was not the culmination of the fight,simply the beginning. Who will Barracuda assign to replace Stevens when he is called to the Senate carpet? Can you say Senator Palin? I thought you could. Thanks to all for the great work and the spread of the word, it is a great day when one gets to see the fruits of labor in such a dramatic fashion.
Thanks for indulging me in my views
Ethrdg
· 1 year ago
"The Prop 8 failure along with others throughout the country emphasize the point that the election was not the culmination of the fight,simply the beginning."
Awesome point. I'm taking that one with me as I start my day--trying to find a way to see GLBT losses in a way that doesn't kill my happiness at an Obama win.
*Dusting myself off*
And so the battle continues....
YES WE CAN!!!
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
I just got up and I have to agree with you, race which was not an issue, is now it seems the only issue.
HelenaMontana
· 1 year ago
Even the drunks two floors up from me allowing their bathtub to overflow, thus causing the ceiling of the 2nd floor apt's bathroom to collapse, and flooding my ground floor bathroom at 4:45 this morning couldn't ruin today!
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
That's right! I can hardly wait to go to work and gloat. I am a wee bit hung over though. :>)
Savage8862
· 1 year ago
One good thing, other than Obama being elected, is that Stephen Baldwin will being leaving the country. The right-wing F-list actor said recently that if Obama wins the presidency he (Baldwin) will leave the country. Does he need anyone to help him pack?
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
oh here, Stephen, here's your toothbrush...buh bye!
Patrick_Bateman
· 1 year ago
Don't take that one to heart. His brother Alec claimed the same thing in 04 if Dubya was reselected.
They're really happy to see Bush go and to see Bush's sidekick lose.
flug
· 1 year ago
"It looks like Proposition 8, which eliminates same-sex marriage, passed."
The only silver lining here is the Mormon church and the other fundamentalist types who have been pushing this have sown the wind but they're going to reap the whirlwind. In the long run I can easily see this as being the death knell of their political power in a large swath of the west--simply because it's going to energize the other side so highly.
Just for example, you can easily see Arizona (where a similar initiative passed, similarly strongly supported by the Mormons, who have a large population in AZ) slipping into permanent Dem territory.
Not exactly the outcome the Mormons were looking for . . .
(Also--since when does a 50.1% majority get to determine basic human rights for the other 49.9%? This whole "change your constitution on a simple majority vote of the electorate" business is really completely insane at its core. Here in MO the constitution is just a complete huge mass of nonsense and legislation that has no business being in the constitution--simply because it can be so amended by a simple majority vote in a single election. That's just a bad way to run a government.)
Milli
· 1 year ago
Prop 8 is heartbreaking. The one bleak spot of the night. Asshole religious freaks.
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
What's next, majority vote to take away gays and lesbians right to vote?
bunnyjump
· 1 year ago
Some scumbag stole my Obama yard sign. Bastards.
ScrantonianSicilian
· 1 year ago
When Pennsylvania turned blue, I knew the sun had set on the Republican party. VIva Scranton!
neilius
· 1 year ago
It appears, per the AP, that there are still 3 MILLION absentee/early votes to be counted in California. Proposition eight isn't a done deal...yet.
So have a little hope!
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
diary on spontaneous celebrations around the country.
(I don't remember this happening for any presidential election.)
gonzalez
· 1 year ago
It feels wonderful to have a President elect who is truly a uniter, with an intellect above the avg. person and can speak. Lets alll do our part to turn the country around. He is going to need our help and some time to get us there.
Gee, doctor assisted suicide okay, medical marijuana okay....gay marriage baaaaaad. This country has been fucked up for so long, I hope things start to change soon, and I don't mean anymore "well sorry not this time, maybe next administration, bull shit"...
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Yes, I'm with you. This was a sea change election. No more putting off our rights. Time to look at the opinions of the younger voters who FULLY SUPPORT equal rights for gays and telling the older conservatives to stick it!
JohnInTexas
· 1 year ago
Come 4 years....it'll be Shady Pines for old grandma and grandpa if they don't straighten up. They don't have the retirement they used to, thanks to Bush, so it's either Shady Pines or the basement.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
On another note, I am glad we have seen the last of Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. It will be interesting just how far Joe the Plumber goes with his 15 minutes of fame, even with a manager. And Sarah, well, I think she cut her own political throat.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Not according to Mika on "Morning Joe." She gushed she has a big future ahead of her. Shut up, Mika. Stop brown nosing that loser Joe, by the way. Still watching "Morning Joe" on MSNBC and Mika said she was accused of "being in the tank" of the McCain campaign. No, Mika, we have accused you of being a typical media opportunist. You wanted to totally support Obama but felt you had to provide some kind of "fake balance" by saying Sarah Palin was "wonderful."
Mister_E
· 1 year ago
I was listening to reaction from the Rethugs on my local newstalk station last night and they were all having nervous breakdowns. They were saying that this is going to be the age of "Obamunism" and that we are in big trouble. They also were quick to say that they refuse to acknowledge Obama as their president.
It just goes to show what hypocrites these people are. When people were disagreeing with Bush and saying that Bush was not "their" president. They were called traitors and unpatriotic. Now that someone has been elected that they don't like ,it's ok in their eyes to denounce Obama as their president. I just don't get it . What a double standard.Shows the true colors of the rethugs.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
Do like me, and remind all your Republican friends and family how many times they said it was up to "every good Christian" to "Pray for their President whether they like him or not." I was told suppporting their President by "praying for him" is "in the bible" whenever I would complain about what an idiot Bu$h is.
BusyTimmy
· 1 year ago
Sooo... Can someone tell me what happens next with the gay marriages in CA? Are they somehow dissolved? When does that happen?
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
After this blowout election in which gay people fought so hard and long with the added realization YOUNG PEOPLE voted AGAINST that Proposition Eight it is TIME for CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE in California. If I was a married gay couple, I would organize a STRIKE. No more working for a society that does not value us and our families as equals. Let someone else cut their hair, entertain them or serve themselves at restaurants. Time for civil disobedience. We can't just keep taking this kind of crap or we will get more dumped on us. Believe me, it is the OLDER VOTERS who voted this hateful crap in and society is moving in OUR DIRECTION.
I think we need our gay leaders in the media like "Ellen" to step up and direct us into some civil disobedience.
cowboyneok
· 1 year ago
It doesn't look like we will get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate which is disappointing. Maybe we will get it in four years? The point I'd like to make is Joe Lieberman is no longer important enough to our caucus to keep rewarding him for being such a traitor. It could be successfully argued he hurt OTHER Democratic Senate candidates, as well. He hurt our entire party. Senator Lieberman, and Connecticut, need to be punished. Connecticut because they had their chance to elect a true Democrat, and Lieberman for his traitorous disasterous support for Republicans. Let him go into exile for the damage he has done. Our fellow Democrats need to know there are CONSEQUENCES for that kind of behavior.
All Comments
Thanks for making gay the new black!
As for us, again, I congratulate America. For the first time in a long time, we've faced the fearmongering from the right and told them we're not going to take it, and a new day dawns in our great nation.
All such laws against gay people will be history soon enough. I say ten years or less, and we will have full federal recognition of either gay marriage or civil unions with the same federal benefits as marriage.
Thank you America !
and thank you John and Joe and Americablog !
In Minneapolis, joyful celebrations...
Obama supporters danced, swayed, sang, chanted and waved Obama-Biden signs in the streets and on the sidewalks as cars honked, often in rhythmic unison.
Across the Mississippi River, young people spilling out of the Bob Dylan concert at the university's Northrop Auditorium about 10:30 p.m. danced and cheered wildly upon hearing of Obama's victory.
Larry Turner of St. Paul ignited the concert crowd with his drum beats, which echoed for blocks around campus.
"When the kids came out of the concert, I was playing the beat and they just started dancing," Turner said. "I've never seen anything like that."
Throughout Minneapolis, reports of gunfire were called into police all night, but police officers who checked them out would quickly report that the sounds were just celebratory fireworks set off by citizens.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/33876...
Cheers.
But for now I want to bask in the glow of victory. Congratulations to all the people who made this happen! What a great, great day.
It ends with......"Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House."
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They have the wrong headline...it should read Bush's Treatment of America has been a Disgrace.
.....and Bush owns 'arrogance'
George Bush is reaping what he sowed. plain and simple.
he should be jailed.
Hmm....if I ever want to find more submissives, maybe I should go hang out with conservatives....
let us pray that the new math is far better than the old math.
"Even though the arc of the moral universe is long, it bends toward justice."
yes it does.
http://www.starbulletin.com/news/20081105_Win_r...
Barack Obama won the election because he saw what is wrong with this country: the utter failure of government to protect its citizens.
Damn..
However overall, a good night...
Good morning to you, Sir.
Michelle Obama: a new type of First Lady
Everything about this woman speaks to the modern, post-feminist woman: she is manifestly clever, independently minded, attractive in a normal, accessible way (and not in a scary, plastic-fantastic Cindy way). Her demeanour is a reassuring mixture of sassy and self-deprecating; her easy, confident dress sense neither too sexy nor too self-conscious. Most of all, however, she appears to be the personification of sanity, a woman who, while clearly supportive of her husband’s quest for world domination, is nevertheless not afraid to point out when he is danger of drinking too much of his own Kool-Aid.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_...
Joe Scarborough: It was like Neil Armstrong walking on the moon when Joe was a little wide-eyed kid. Joe felt the walls shaking from the tremor of all the joyous Obama voters underneath his hotel room. No longer can America be considered a racist country since white people will vote for a black President. People who voted for John McCain weren't racist, voting out of fear. No, they honored a hero. And any idea that McCain voters hated and feared Obama is dead wrong. It is a transcendent moment in American history, he said. AND THEN JOE SCARBOROUGH'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Mika Brzeszyncski: A huge moment. African-American college students fell to the ground in tears, she said. AND THEN MIKA BRZESZYNCSKI'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Willie Geist: There's a whole new generation, almost in his demographic, of Obama Democrats, he said. AND THEN WILLIE GEIST'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Pat Buchanan: African-Americans are full of joy and hope. Obama is the JFK of a new generation, just like Kennedy was for Irish-American guys like him and Barnicle. Before, that is, JFK was assassinated, Buchanan said. AND THEN PAT BUCHANAN'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Mike Barnicle: What happened put a big smile on the face of America. The earth moved, he said. AND THEN MIKE BARNICLE'S HEAD EXPLODED.
David Frum: Sarah Palin damaged the Party and a great candidate. All she did was bring out the base, and the GOP must move to the center by attracting college-educated voters, he said. AND THEN DAVID FRUM'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Steve Doocy: It all proves that America is not a racist country. And despite a heavy African-American turnout in Seattle's Pike Place Market last night to celebrate how not a racist country America is, there were no reports of damage or injury there, he said. AND THEN STEVE DOOCY'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Gretchen Carlson: If only more than 64% of the people had shown up to vote, maybe John McCain could have won. But the GOP knows how to concede with dignity. President Bush called to congratulate Barack and said his win was "awesome," she reported. AND THEN GRETCHEN CARLSON'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Brian Kilmeade: Since Shays lost, the whole Northeast is Blue. No exceptions, not even fiercely independent NH. It's amazing how emotional Oprah Winfrey was last night, he observed. AND THEN BRIAN KILMEADE'S HEAD EXPLODED.
Juan Williams: Obama's win means that America has gotten over its racial "hangups" and can even elect a guy who didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth. Now all kids in America can stop making gangsta rappers their role model. Barack Obama "dresses like a normal human being," he said. AND THEN JUAN WILLIAMS'S HEAD EXPLODED.
so many heads...so little time.
Awesome post!!
Today, the outcome of that measure (it looks like the gay marriage ban will pass---52% to 48%) mars what should be a day of celebration for me. I struggle to juxtapose the two races--that we can be visionary and progressive, on one hand, and bigoted and antiquated, on the other.
I can only hope that an Obama-Biden administration will bring about a social shift in our country. To those in CA, my heart hurts with you this morning, even as we celebrate the overall victory for our country as a whole.
Ironically, it may well be Obama's win that is partly responsible for the win of Prop 8. Obama's candidacy brought record numbers of African Americans, something I applaud. I look forward to the reconciliation and reevaluation I hope that will take place. But African American's as a group tend to be anti-gay and those that have voted have been dependable supporters of anti-gay initiatives that Republicans put on ballots to excite their base. Obviously not all black people are like this. But too many it would seem.
I don't think Prop 8 was put onto the ballot to boost John McCain though. Putting my tinfoil hat on, I think it was a gambit by Catholics and Mormons to make Christians like them and accept them as Christian. They used intolerance to gain acceptance that they can't get on their own merits, other than their deep pockets.
No matter the legal impact of this proposition on existing same-sex marriages, thank you and your partner for getting out there and marrying. Visibility paves the road to acceptance.
During the VP debate, Joe Biden said that in an Obama-Biden administration, there would be no distinction between the rights of same-sex and heterosexual couples. Civil rights, civil unions, domestic partnerships--if we can secure those rights at the federal level, I don't really mind what they call them... One step at a time... We are getting there...
Maybe we should begin petitions to put rights granted straight people on "initiatives" in order for straight people to understand? I don't know if you are gay / straight or in between but I'm just sayin...
We currently live in Texas---such change will be a long time coming in this red state. CA--my partner's home state--has always been a place where we felt accepted and at home. This morning, we are devastated.
Sometimes, placing things in light of overall progress is the only way some people can deal with things in order to pick themselves up and keep pushing forward. Yes, we had this right given to us and then taken away. But we've gotten to the point where we CAN demand this right. It wasn't so long ago that the phrase "gay marriage" was not a part of the social/political discussion. Kind of like women's rights or civil rights for black people years ago, it just wasn't considered possible.
We can collapse in an angry tantrum or we can keep pushing forward. While it's hard for me to reconcile the civil rights progress made with the election of Obama with the civil rights taken away by these initiatives, all I can do is keep hoping. You have every right to your reaction, while I--and others--have the right to find strength where we can in order to keep working for what is right.
It's awesome that you testified before Congress on the Hate Crimes bill... Hopefully, now that we have common sense back in the White House, we can get things back on the right---or would that be left?--course....
We married in Canada almost 5 years ago and I am a native Californian who has never been so ashamed and angered at my home state as I am this morning.
I live in Nevada and work for a government entity which has a health benefit plan that covers one's spouse and children FREE -- no premium cost to me. Do you think my wife can get her free coverage? NO! Because Nevadans passed a constitutional amendment in 2002 which was similarly worded to that in CA. Despite anti-discrimination policies/laws to the contrary, my retired 63 year-old wife is uninsured when she has a right to be insured like anyone else employed there.
Cowboy, I've said for years that we need to come up with an initiative/proposition for the ballots of states that do this to us which directly attacks, and tries to eliminate, the rights of another class of people. People will sign anything you put in front of them with a persuasive argument included and then maybe, just maybe, they can see what they have done.
I am so-o-o-o tired of being a second-class citizen!
good morning to all you wonderful people....virtual hugs all around.
TO ALL YOU JOE SCARBOROUGHS, PAT BUCHANANS, LAURA INGRAHAMS, MICHELLE BACHMANNS, AND RUSH LIMPBALLS---WE DIDN'T START UP ON BUSH UNTIL HIS CRAP WAS PROOF POSITIVE. Oh yeah we suspected, we talked, we watched. I think the look on his face 9/11 did it for me.
SO--------NOBODY SAID IT WOULD BE LIKE THE RED SEA PARTING------S T F UP, GET YOUR OWN DAMN GUT CHECK STARTED, AND GET BACK TO TRUE DISCOURSE IF YOU THINK YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT YAPPING YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT BUSH, HIS CONSTITUTIONAL DUMPSTER FIRE, HIS UNLAWFUL WARMONGERING, AND THE UNMITIGATED DEBACLE HE AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE LEFT US WITH
Now, I am back to happiness, and planning the next 8 years
finally the best man won!
And we have more work to do for our rights in the days...years to come.
Another threader said to remember what Ghandi said: (1) First they ignore you, (2) then they laugh at you, (3) then they fight you, (4) then you win.
GLBT rights are at stage 3. The fight continues. It will be won Savage, no doubt about it, but Religion and their $ is still a toxin in our society and it is going to take more time.
Boy, that sounds good.
My wife and I were on the couch last night watching the count, and we just happened to start making love. We had the most wonderfully sensual lovemaking, the kind we haven't had for a year. We had rockin' sex for half an hour.
When we calmed down again, it was 11:07 East coast time. Obama had won!
We take full responsibility: our fantastic sex put Obama over the top! If we hadn't been screwing, Obama never would have won...
*****
I feel the same giddiness that I felt after Clinton won in 1992. Of course he went on the be a right-of-center Republican, but he did save the nation from the Conservative's effort to destroy the American Dream. While Obama is another right-of-center Republican, I feel confident that he too will save America from the Conservative plan to destroy everything America stands for...
:) :) :)
Maybe modern medical science will finally discover what causes that...
Wow... LOL!
Congratulations. If it's a boy will you name him Barack?
And now that the liberal blogosphere is no longer the opposition we have to figure out what our role will be in a country now turned more blue than it's been in a long, long time.
I wonder how ugly they will get now...
and he said...
"Now I know what it was (is) like when a country is liberated"
As far as the tide of LGBT rights, we need to do something drastic. For me, this has now become the number one issue in my mind when voting. I will NEVER vote for anyone who says something like, "i think marriage should be between a man and woman, however, everyone should have the same rights." I have been a staunch democratic voter in the past, I think I only voted for a republican once because the democrat was a complete asshat. Not again. No one gets my vote without firmly standing on my side. Obama and all my congresspeople will NOT get my vote in the next cycles if they aren't doing something proactive to help me. If all LGBT voters stand in unity for candidates who stand for us, regardless of party, our issues may become more important to the two major parties. We need a new grass roots movement, a real "gay agenda," to make sure our voices aren't silenced and that farm animals don't have more rights then we do.
The more straight people who get screwed by these things, the more support you'll have in overturning them.
I'm straight and I constantly tell straight friends that "gay marriage" is just the first step: After that, the fundies want to go after straights "living in sin" with minors present, no-fault divorces, single mothers, etc., etc., etc.
They won't believe it until it starts happening.
Race was not to be an issue during the campaign, but it became THE issue on victory, I am still of the opinion that the "change" is in the ideals and not in the color of a man's skin.
The Prop 8 failure along with others throughout the country emphasize the point that the election was not the culmination of the fight,simply the beginning.
Who will Barracuda assign to replace Stevens when he is called to the Senate carpet? Can you say Senator Palin? I thought you could.
Thanks to all for the great work and the spread of the word, it is a great day when one gets to see the fruits of labor in such a dramatic fashion.
Thanks for indulging me in my views
Awesome point. I'm taking that one with me as I start my day--trying to find a way to see GLBT losses in a way that doesn't kill my happiness at an Obama win.
*Dusting myself off*
And so the battle continues....
YES WE CAN!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/5/42215/2...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/5/04621/2...
They're really happy to see Bush go and to see Bush's sidekick lose.
The only silver lining here is the Mormon church and the other fundamentalist types who have been pushing this have sown the wind but they're going to reap the whirlwind. In the long run I can easily see this as being the death knell of their political power in a large swath of the west--simply because it's going to energize the other side so highly.
Just for example, you can easily see Arizona (where a similar initiative passed, similarly strongly supported by the Mormons, who have a large population in AZ) slipping into permanent Dem territory.
Not exactly the outcome the Mormons were looking for . . .
(Also--since when does a 50.1% majority get to determine basic human rights for the other 49.9%? This whole "change your constitution on a simple majority vote of the electorate" business is really completely insane at its core. Here in MO the constitution is just a complete huge mass of nonsense and legislation that has no business being in the constitution--simply because it can be so amended by a simple majority vote in a single election. That's just a bad way to run a government.)
So have a little hope!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/5/848...
(I don't remember this happening for any presidential election.)
http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/ba...
It just goes to show what hypocrites these people are. When people were disagreeing with Bush and saying that Bush was not "their" president. They were called traitors and unpatriotic. Now that someone has been elected that they don't like ,it's ok in their eyes to denounce Obama as their president. I just don't get it . What a double standard.Shows the true colors of the rethugs.
I think we need our gay leaders in the media like "Ellen" to step up and direct us into some civil disobedience.