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AMERICAblog: "We’re paying executives like successful entrepreneurs, without asking them to take entrepreneurial risks"

  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    That's a great quote in the headline.
  • Bubbles · 1 year ago
    This country is based upon one principle: free contract. What you make is a function of your bargaining power. Executives have the ultimate bargaining power: they control the boards that hire them.

    In the final analysis, executives are just working stiffs. No more, no less. They don't invent, they don't create, they aren't entrepreneurs. They are just hired hands.

    There should be a maximum wage. It can be high. Say $3 million a year. That's it.

    If they want more, they can go work overseas. Oops!, they pay less.
  • jr · 1 year ago
    The Hoovernomics model at work
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    Chimpynomics is like Reaganomics or Hoovernomics...only more STUPID.

    And McCain-enomics wil be even worse. McCrazy admits he doesn't understand it himself.
  • brian · 1 year ago
    I love the CEO's and Republican talking points on this issue. These people are highly skilled at deserve the pay. There are quite a few companies that have had problems with these "highly skilled" workers. In Europe, most of the countries tie the CEO's salary to a maximum of lowest paid full time worker.

    In America, the CEOs never blame themselves for bad results, they just fire people to satisfy Wall Street for a week or two. The UBS chairman stepped down himself saying the current losses were due to him. That's refreshing, I just wished it happened in the US more. Instead we are stuck with the Ken Lays of the world. America - where greed is king.
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The pornographic CEO salaries along with the "reported" Clinton earnings and the rarely if ever reported Bush/Cheney earnings seem about par for the hoi polloi of the ruling elite at the end of the Reagan/Bush/Clinton era of characterless, government-plundering excess.
    The NYT story seems to cast the inequities these salaries represent in a timeless space that somehow mitigates the unprecedented and intentional abandonment of any fair practice and justice in the marketplace that accelerated post haste following the corrupted legislation of the last many years of Republican misrule.
    Leaders, business or otherwise, often forget, as an increasingly hobbled press might tend to reinforce, that viewers absorb any video's entire gestalt and not merely its intended one-directional storyline.
    I'd like to see our (ahem!) responsible press report on the earnings of various punditry from speaking engagements, books, TV appearances and salaries along with the various business and political econo gluttony.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    I am too worried about my own CEO performance, like how to balance my budget and save money, to worry about the never changing policies and practices of paying ungodly salaries to these CEO's.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    George W Bush never had to face the consequences of his failures, either.
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    "the hoi polloi of the ruling elite"?? now, there's an oxymoron for you.

    American Heritage Dictionary
    hoi pol·loi Audio Help (hoi' pə-loi')
    n. The common people; the masses.

    [Greek, the many : hoi, nominative pl. of ho, the; see so- in Indo-European roots + polloi, nominative pl. of polus, many; see pelə-1 in Indo-European roots.]
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    It was intended purposely to disparage the low class scruples of our self-anointed betters...But your crude remark in this instance while typical of your thoughtless bludgeon approach to these comments better illustrates your inferior reading skills...
    If memory serves you’ve misunderstood comments before…why don’t you try thinking first before you embarrass yourself with grade school attempts at ridicule.
  • T_Scheisskopf · 1 year ago
    We give great and wonderful tax breaks and incentives to companies to create jobs. Nothing happens to them when they destroy those jobs. Now, it can be argued that the destruction of those jobs is negative behavior, just as if one was to burn down a factory. When we one-fodder-units engage in behaviors that civil society has determined are negative and thus, made them illegal, we face penalties and sanctions. However, these companies face no consequences for their actions that lead to the destruction of jobs.

    I propose that is inimical to the best interests of civil society. I suggest that just as there are tax breaks, credits and incentives given on the way into job creation, so should there be penalties and paybacks for job that were created with this many incentives and then destroyed.

    By teaching business that there are consequences for their actions, just as there are rewards, perhaps we can stem the bleeding.
  • Coming Undone · 1 year ago
    O/T

    In Oregon, Clinton Makes False Claim About Her Iraq Record Vs. Obama's

    April 06, 2008 9:49 AM

    In Eugene, Ore., Saturday. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. (A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 vote to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war.) She claimed that using that measure, she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.

    But Clinton's claim was false.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04...
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    Hillary is a serial LIAR. Just like Chimpy.

    She cannot be allowed to be President.
  • Tom3 · 1 year ago
    I still think my method is best even if its getting deleted.

    Rip the heads off rich people and shit down their necks.

    It will come to this, mark my words.
  • Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago
    I think most people are more concerned with the fact that these grossly over compensated corporate thieves are allowed to run the companies or indeed the whole industry into the ground and then walk away with suitcases of money for their trouble. Anyone else notice the president of Bear Stearns managed to screw up the selling price to ten dollars so he could sell off his holdings and I suppose, still make a profit. Come on this guy should be in jail and any money he had forfeit to help repay the taxpayer bailout.
    You can count on it the fascist republicons will be helping out their friends to loot the taxpayers right up until the moment Dubya and Laura are loading up the pickup for the drive back to Texas.
  • Morpheus · 1 year ago
    I suppose I will be sent to banned land for speaking the truth in my last comment.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    It's Raw Reaganism Revisted: Power plus connections equals entitltement. RIsk is for the little people to whom prosperity trickles down . . . some day.
  • aquarius2 · 1 year ago
    'Coming Undone

    Glad to see you also posted this. I think it is important, another Clinton falsehood OR at the very least trying desperately to rewrite her history. Why? Is this all she can do--mislead, mispeak, mishear and misunderstand. Surely these qualities are not ones that can guide this nation into and through change.
  • PaulG · 1 year ago
    OK, but technically you don't pay entrepreneurs at all. They are the owners and investors and merely get to keep whatever they can when they sell the company. Hence the risk. And yes the salaries of our ruling class are grotesque. And the only way these people suffer is when they find out somebody else is getting even more.
  • Danton · 1 year ago
    As long as people at the highest levels of management in corporations are paid astronomically high annual salaries--I'm talking in the range of $10-$20 million or more per year, which is not at all unusual--there is absolutely no incentive to attend to the details of business, to adequately calculate risks and benefits, or to ponder the long-range consequences of current practices. If you can a company for two or three years and your compensation package assures you somewhere in the range of, say, $60 million +, you've just earned enough money to retire and not really care. For CEOs, CFOs, and other top-level managers, excessive salaries and compensation packages have inadvertently eliminated the work ethic. Indeed, a "get-rich-fast" environment is inimical to the work ethic, which involves lengthy commitment and determined effort to "make it."
  • time to think · 1 year ago
    Accountability seems to be the underlying theme here. Funny how I can be held accountable as a teacher for a child's learning when I have little control over his home environment, his diet, his safety when not in school, and his support systems - all of which have huge impacts on learning, memory, and behavior. I do the best I can anyway, for $35,000 a year.

    A CEO has a lot of control over a corporation and how it functions. He or she may have to be willing to fight tradition and board members, yet must be willing to fight the internal pull to serve the self.

    When one's need to serve oneself collides with one's need to serve the long-term benefits for one's community, only a strong character can choose the latter. That is why accountability was invented. Government was supposed to be a way to more objectively exercise that accountability. Corporations were set up to be individual entities that were immortal, but they can still be held accountable.

    We have allowed too many of our accountability entities to become enmeshed with our corporate entities. Creativity and freedom are important, even in business, but they have been allowed to become too self-serving in the pursuit of short-term financial gains.
  • MN USA · 1 year ago
    So true. Executives are not the people who risked it all and built up the company. They are hired help like everyone else. Shareholders are the owners, take the risk and are getting screwed. There are so many ways executives can loot the company. There will have to be a revolution to stop this. Until then, I don't see any changes being made.
  • Joseph Trevisani · 1 year ago
    Just normal NYT journalism. A few points: 2007 was a good year for most companies, where is the performance data from the 200 companies of the survey? Were profits up, did sales rise? is this not pertinent to executive compensation? Inflation in 2007 was about 2.5%, if total bonus payout is up 1.1%, didn't real bonus compensation drop? If average compensation is up 5%, is not real compensation only 2.5% higher? Surely not an offensive increase. But why worry. The point of the article was to throw around those undeserved millions all those executive are receiving.

    Entertaining but not journalism.

    Joseph Trevisani
  • Chredon · 1 year ago
    My response to excessive executive salary is simple. The maximum you can pay an executive (counting total cost of all compensation, perks, etc) is limited to 50 times the salary+benefits of the lowest-paid employee. So if the lowest-paid person makes 20K, the highest-paid can make 1M. This not only limits executive compensation, it might also solve the problem of the minimum wage. (If the execs want to make 2M, they have to raise everyone else to 40K).