DISQUS

AMERICAblog: What a surprise. I get nothing from the House stimulus package.

  • tbhull · 10 months ago
    When the government starts handing out candy someone will always be upset that their bucket is not suffciently full.
  • aimai · 10 months ago
    Jesus, John, Get over yourself. The stimulus package doesn't have anything for anyone who is *fucking working* because they don't need the stimulus to keep the economy afloat. Its not a pay off or a goodie to poor people. Its a desperate attempt to keep the entire economy moving. People get a tax credit for having children? Children are *expensive* the tax credit is assumed to simply enable you to keep spending money on them for their education, health care, etc... Its not *free money* you moron. And plenty of gay people have children. You didn't get "left out" of that credit because you are gay but because you *don't have the cost of children.* People are hurting. They are out on the street. Don't bitch about the high cost of your "condo" and how sure you are you could buy a bigger house in the country somewhere. You *could* have bought that house in the country--so what? You didn't want to. You wanted to pay a premium for living in the city because you preferred that. Because you didn't have kids and you didn't need a good school system. I love this site but sometimes your incredible whininess is just sickening.

    aimai
  • RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago
    Have you ever tried that trick where you take a deep breath and exhale, and the person standing in front of you instantly turns into a smoldering cinder?
  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    It doesn't work as well as it used to.
  • RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago
    >;0)
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    "And plenty of gay people have children"
    Really? Give me a percentage.

    Definition of plenty: 1: a full or more than adequate amount or supplymore than adequate amount or supply
  • aimai · 10 months ago
    You know what? All the gay people I know have kids! That's because I know lots of gay couples and singles *through my kids school!* Incredible! And you know what else? Lots of people who are parents of gay kids get the tax credit! Incredible too! sometimes gay people are *children!*

    aimai
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    All?
    All the gay people you know have kids? Every gay person you know has kids?

    ALL?
  • aimai · 10 months ago
    HereinDC now that I've read all your posts I can honestly say you are a moron. Yes, all the gay people I know through my children's school--including the school nurse--have children. I live in MA. I know a *lot* of gay people. And they have kids. And I know straight people who don't have kids. Your decision not to have children has nothing to do with any kind of virtue, its just a personal choice. You preferred not to have them. I preferred to have them. You aren't subsidizing them. Their payments to social security and their taxes will subsidize you later in life. Just as someone else's taxes paid for your public education, your roads, your hospitals, etc... If you want a libertarian paradise move to afghanistan or somalia.

    aimai
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    Yes, children are expensive....that's why some of us don't have any...GAY OR STRAIGHT.
    Some of us made the rational decision NOT to have kids because we KNOW/knew how much it costs.

    I ...made...the....decision...not...to...have....kids....let alone...2,3,4 kids.

    John lives and breaths politics....living in the far suburbs would NOT be a practical place to live for his living....ie interviews,Capitol Hill, TV and Radio station interviews wher ehe can be there in minutes.

    You're quite a flame
  • catclub · 10 months ago
    Cry me a river.
  • RitornaVincitor · 10 months ago
    Correct! The question was, "What is the name of the river that runs through the Crimea Peninsula?".
  • coolcatdaddy · 10 months ago
    I think John has a point, particularly about single people, no matter if you're gay or straight.

    I look at co-workers that are coupled and make the same salary I do - they're able to have a better standard of living because they're combining incomes. However, the tax code, particularly if they have a kid, gives them all kinds of perks.
  • aimai · 10 months ago
    You've never heard of the "marriage penalty?" Oddly, two people with two incomes *do* make more money than one person with one income--some of the time, of course, but you do realize that married couples pay what is called the "marriage penalty" in which their dual incomes are factored together and taxed at the higher rate? That's why two income no kids non married couples do the best of all in tax terms. What other "perks" do you think couples get, other than the kid tax credit?

    aimai
  • eclare · 10 months ago
    It's true that married couples whose incomes are relatively close in value do suffer from higher tax rates. On the other hand, married couples where one makes substantial more than the other benefits. On the one hand, this benefit is a good thing because it makes it more likely that one parent can stay home to care for children, or whatever. On the other hand, how many couples can afford to raise children on one salary? Not very many.
  • aimai · 10 months ago
    What is the "benefit" in the tax policy that "makes it more likely that one parent can stay home to care for children, or whatever?" Its not a "benefit" its a bug that two people both making good salaries end up being taxed at the highest rate thus making the take home pay negligible. Its a bug because although the money may be a wash the years in service are not so when one leaves the workforce because her 90 hours a week are taxed at the highest rate she loses more than the incremental take home pay, she loses seniority. At any rate, its not a benefit. Its a debit to married couples that does not apply to unmarried couples.

    aimai
  • paulbot5 · 10 months ago
    The stimulus wont work anyway, the economy is run by clueless Keynesians
  • MNUSA · 10 months ago
    Universal health care would benefit you. But I know what you mean. Does everyone feel the system works against their interests? When I was working, I couldn't put as much into my 401K as other people I worked with because I was "highly compensated." Yet I wasn't eligible for a bonus like higher management. But I do believe an Obama administration with be a better, more fair administration. Isn't that what we all want - a level playing field?
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    Same thing sort-of also applies what John is talking about when you work for a company and you are single or gay.
    Someone's selling something for their kids school or girl scout cookies or someone is engaged or getting married or having a their first baby ( and now seems gifts are now given for the 2nd and 3rd baby)

    Again, a single person doesn't get these silly perks etc.... it's just a suttle reminder that you are single or gay or that you are worthy of extra from the gov''t or coworkers.

    Ok, that was my bitch session for today.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    Hey, John, it's just not upper middle class Guppies without kids that are "suffering" you know.

    Plenty of people like me with a Social Security income of $12K a year (all the income I have after 50 yrs of working at shitty office and other jobs and raising 2 kids by myself) who will not get anything either. Not that it matters to me, I just don't care about money anymore, just surviving.

    I'd say you're living la vida loca these days.
  • benb · 10 months ago
    After listening to John Boenher , Eric Cantor, et. al on the news last night I'm convinced that the GOP has one and only one idea for, apparently, every national problem---"Cut Taxes". It's so laughable to think that cutting taxes will spur business investment at a time when this country's industrial capacity is underutilized. Is the GOP even awake?
  • Atlliberal · 10 months ago
    "I know some in the base of the Democratic party hate money and success. They think anyone who has busted their butt and made it in this country deserve to be punished, or at least shunned. "

    This sounds more like Republican propaganda than anything a real live person actually believes. I'm about as liberal as you get and that doesn't come anywhere close to the truth. I've been on welfare and I've been fairly well off in my lifetime and frankly I'd rather be making enough money that my taxes will go up than be unemployed and hoping for an extension of benefits.

    I get your point about cost of living but do you think maybe some of this post is a little over the top?
  • barts · 10 months ago
    I only speak for myself, but it's not more spending money I want it is assurance that I won't lose my job within the next 5 years or that it will take a miracle to find another one; also I'd like to have the money I lost in my retirement accounts restored.
  • frank · 10 months ago
    The U.S Gov. considers me disabled. My meds have gone from 100 $'s a month to 700, I need to make a choice wether I keep working and live in poverty or quit working be happy and live in poverty. My T-Cells are 2 and qualify for all the handouts out there yet I can still run 6 miles 3x a week. I'm losing my ambition
  • Malcolm · 10 months ago
    Please calm down and reconsider. There are many, many people in much worse condition than you who will get nothing from the stimulous bill. I'm not one of them, being very, very lucky, and totally agree that I shouldn't get anything. But I know people, and am helping to support people, who through no fault of their own have lost or can't get jobs, have no access to health care for themselves or their children because they can't afford it, and are in danger of losing their homes. Some have trouble putting food on the table for their children, let alone themselves. My trouble with the stimuous package isn't that it doesn't help people like you or me, but that it won't help those who truly need help in a way that will truly help them, such as free tuition for training in jobs for which trained people are needed, subsidized health care for all who need it and can't pay for it, and an easy way to cram down mortgages that far exceed the value of the mortgaged property. And while we're at it, how about a work corps open to anyone without a job that will provide a living wage in that person's area - definitely not less than $15/hour anywhere? Or just raising the minimum wage to $10/hour? No whining about small business, please. I am a small business owner with three employees, two of them unskilled, and all get more than $10/hour. Of course I would make more money if I paid them minimum wage, but it's no hardship to pay them what they say they need.
  • DecaturBlue · 10 months ago
    I agree with you wholeheartedly, John - and I don't think you're saying it's an either-or proposition. It's just that the "stimulus" package would be more effective and fair if the net was cast much more widely as to who receives assitance. I'm employed and own a house too, but went through a divorce this year (adultery is so last century) and ex-husband lost his job anyway, so I'm on my own to try and pay the mortgage, taxes, maintenance, etc. I'm not a breeder, so don't have those *expensive* kids, but I do have expenses, thangyaveramuch, and I don't live extravagantly. My job is not secure; salaries are frozen (unlike those hotshot CEO's) and we just had a round of layoffs with a hint of more to come. The point is, I'm not participating in the consumer economy any more than those who are indeed worse off than me. And I won't be able to unless I get some kinda relief or the economy gets better.
  • Michael Gass · 10 months ago
    Sorry, John, but, I can't really be sympathetic here.

    First, you're sexual lifestyle has ZERO to do with it. Second, as noted, you chose your place of domicile. Third, you do have a job and an income. Many people don't have either anymore.

    If you care to hear about hardship, I can tell you my story. I was employed, making $70k/yr on top of my wife's salary when I got injured on the job blowing out two disks in my spine. Because of that injury, I have not been able to work in my profession (physically demanding) and have been unemployed. Far from a spendthrift, I used the measly insurance settlement to pay off all outstanding debt except the mortgage, and still, we've scrimped by on my wife's salary alone as I have tried to find job after job in a state that has the fourth highest unemployment rate in the nation (some counties in South Carolina have a 12% unemployment rate). When I tried to get a TEMP job making minimum wage I was told I was "too old", "too set in my ways", "made too much money", "I'd been injured and put in a workers comp claim", and "I didn't have a degree"... you name the excuse... so... "please try another agency". Oh yeah, and did I mention I have a step-daughter in her sophomore of college and we had to scrimp to find the money to buy the books for her classes this semester at the expense of buying a little more food? But hey, at least I'm not the 93-year-old man who had his electricity turned off and froze to death in his house.

    So, no... not really sympathetic here that people's taxes are going to be used to stimulate the economy, get jobs opening up again, so I can support my family, too. Sorry.
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    "Many people don't have either anymore."

    So you're saying more than 150 million people in America don't have jobs or a home?

    If 300 million people live in America...and you are saying many don;t have both.....then "many" would mean over 150,000,000 people.

    I'm not trying to be a smart alick....but you cant go throwing around figures like 150,000,000 people are out of work and have no home.
  • eclare · 10 months ago
    Semantic argument ahead:

    "Many" =/= "Most" If he had said "Most people don't have either" than your comment would be correct. But "many" is not necessarily a relative word, and it certainly doesn't require a certain percentage of the whole.
  • example · 10 months ago
    So what? The point of the stimulus isn't to give everyone free candy, it's to help the economy. Liberal outrage is a renewable resource, (in fact, it's countercyclical) so you'll never have to worry about losing your job, unlike millions of Americans currently.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    how do you help the economy if nobody has money to spend?

    read what you just typed... read it again... then again...

    the people ARE the economy. idiot.
  • Dan · 10 months ago
    Interesting commentary. You've missed one key point, though. If you lived on your salary in a non-urban area, then yes, you would be wealthy. However, if you lived outside an urban area, you probably wouldn't have the income you do. Salaries often are adjusted for cost of living too...
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    I haven't noticed that in the last eight years.

    jobs are being outsourced to cut costs... companies aren't paying what they used to, even in urban areas.

    put it this way... eight years ago, when I moved here, 20% of people who worked in San Diego could afford to own a house/condo here. Which means the cost of living pay increases weren't allowing people to live where they actually work.

    even with the housing market crashing here... nobody has the money to buy. not even mentioning all the jobs that are disappearing.

    in times like these, the wealthy get wealthier... imagine having $50,000 in cash and just waiting for the right moment to jump into the market.

    or enough money to buy prime real estate in the city... just waiting for the real estate market to tank before you do so.

    the wealthy sit and wait... and they'll double what they have in five years.
  • acknight · 10 months ago
    Depends heavily on your urban area. I live just fine in a (smaller) urban area [Syracuse, NY, if you're curious] on $38k a year.

    There are higher costs of living in certain urban areas.
  • Ryon · 10 months ago
    The problem John addresses is that for the last 16 years, all the so-called economic stimulus has always been directed at people with children. I realize children are expensive, but that doesn't mean that I as a single person always have to help pay to take care of other people's children. At least throw some of us self-employed single people a bone one and a while. Cut us some slack on our self-employed taxes, throw us some stimulus we'll spend it too. I agree with John - single, self-employed people are always getting the shaft in these economic stimulus bills.
  • flowerofhighrank · 10 months ago
    I haven't checked, but I assume I'm in the same boat. As far as the poor getting cuts and help with small businesses, I'm okay with that- but if banks and financial firms are getting help, heads have to roll. They got too crafty (Ponzi scams have doubled in the past year???), they started inventing things to gamble on and they lost. Nobody really took responsibility for the Enron mess, in my opinion. Employees and investors were lied to and the guilty parties just said, oops, and walked off stage.
    If someone's judged to be bad at running a bank, why the f are they still RUNNING A BANK?
  • chrisnyc · 10 months ago
    here in we see why if the GOP wasn't anti-gay, john would probably be a republican. people become republican when they make money and want to keep more of it...they ignore the benefit if the lowest in society do better.

    yes, they need to take into account the fact that we live in urban areas. there needs to be an overhaul of the tax system. that's not what this is. do you want to take a guess when this bill would see a vote if that had to be decided. congresspeople and senators would be haggling over what's an urban area and how urban areas already get lots of federal dollars (so do farms and rural areas, i know).

    basically, everytime you flip out about not getting your mid/upper middle class due, it reminds me how you could be a republican if they didn't hate who you are. we made the choice to live in a city. i know if i wanted a house i could move to a more suburban area and easily afford one with what i've saved living in a city, but i like cities...it's the price i pay.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 10 months ago
    just a small nitpick. there is already a congressionally sanctioned regional surplus for federal salaries (as john pointed out). i doubt there would be much haggling if this map were used to adjust tax rebates. concerning paying for 'kidlets' (later post above), i'd suggest a cap at, say 2 per family. that would include public school subsidies. after 2, you absorb the cost.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    the problem is... blanket economic stimulus doe NOT take into account 'cost of living' in cities.

    I found this out when I moved from suburban Syracuse (making about 35k/year... and living large) to the city of San Diego.

    using a cost of living calculator $35k in Syracuse = $60k in San Diego... or at least it did eight years ago.

    in the government's eyes however, if you went from $35k to $45k... you're doing better, not worse.

    I suppose they'd like everyone to move to suburban areas?
  • woodka · 10 months ago
    At least you''re through college. I'm trying to figure out how the heck we're going to pay out of state tuitions since Arnie cut our California school budgets and now my eldest is out of state at the University of Arizona since there are no open slots here for him. 9.3% unemployment in California, no jobs for these kids, and they cut school budgets. Just dumb.

    Oh, and I'm still paying a car loan for a friend in L.A. who has been out of work for over a year.

    Quit your bitching, John.. ;^) Lots of people worse off right now.

    And yes, you people do have to pay for the kidlets. They'll be helping to support you in your old age, people.
  • az · 10 months ago
    I'm not about to determine whether or not you should get money from this stimulus, but I'm one to say that I shouldn't. In fact - none of the stimulus bills have been something I needed. I realize they were just to put government cash into the economy, and I mostly did this (the last one went to car repairs & debt), but there has never been a point where I'm desperate for a government handout.

    We're a family of four and I'm the only one working, making about $56k, and we do live paycheck to paycheck, but we're not by any means poor. I could do without, there are others who are much more needy.

    What I'd prefer more than anything is health care reform. That is where my money goes to, huge insurance bills, and we're all generally healthy.
  • Lolis · 10 months ago
    yes, health care reform has the potential to boost a lot of families standard of living. this is what we need to fight for and win.
  • A. · 10 months ago
    I find your 'Oh, poor me' routine really tiresome. Many of your complaints are the direct result of choices that you have made. Seven years ago, I moved from NYC because it was clear to me that it would be unlikely that I would ever be able to live the way I wanted to there. I'm back in Wisconsin now, I'm raising two children, I have a small business where I employee seven people (with health benefits), I have a cute, little house with a small yard. I work hard, and often it's a struggle (especially with customers spending less money in hard times). I stand to benefit from this stimulus in a number of ways, but the economic health of my business is a benefit to local family farmers, service people, employees, the city tax base, etc. Any stimulus money that comes our way will promptly be filtered out into our economic community and be beneficial to hundreds of people, especially as we're in the midst of expanding our operation. All of this is the result of choices that we've made.

    Face it, the urban East (and semi-urban West) have become prohibitively expensive. It's cost of admission that you have chosen to pay for remaining in a culturally/socially/politically prominent place. So pay your cost of admission and enjoy the benefits; or move.
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    John can be on CNN TV in 30 minutes notice if need be.
    That would NOT be possible if he lived in the suburbs.
    John needs to get his face out there.

    If you were a surfer for a living, would you live inland 30 miles... cause it's cheaper?
    If you were a theater critic, would you live in Frostburg Mrayland cause it's cheaper?
    If you designed and made and sold your own brand of bathing suits, would you live in the suburbs of MAine or LA or Miami?

    Just like that quote, " Why do you rob banks? "Cause that's where the money is"
  • R. Warren Gill III · 10 months ago
    Even as such, one needs to make sound financial decisions in relation to sound business decisions.

    (This is not in specific regards to John's status, just very generally good advice.)
  • A. · 10 months ago
    Exactly my point, the higher cost of living is the price of admission to those unique opportunities. Every single place in America has its compromises. Where I live, it's lack of access to great theater, cultural institutions, and job opportunities. In exchange, I have a higher standard of living than I could afford in New York, a garden, good schools, easy access to pristine natural areas, etc. Having enjoyed living in New York City in my twenties (where I lived in a mouse infested, over priced apartment in Brooklyn), I have now moved to a place that makes more sense for me to raise my kids, have the business that excites me, and to live my life.
  • eclare · 10 months ago
    I agree to a certain extent, except that for many professions (like mine) and especially early in your career, moving inland is almost impossible. I'll be frank and upfront: I'm a first year attorney. I make an absurd amount of money by almost any standard - certainly more than any 29 year old has a right to expect. When it was time to interview with law firms I interviewed with every firm from Milwaukee and Madison that visited my school and didn't get a single offer. Meanwhile, I was swimming in offers from firms in NYC and DC. I really don't mean to complain. I made the choice to go to a (really) expensive law school and I'm absolutely thrilled with the job that I have. BUT, if I had my druthers I'd be working in Madison for less money. Unfortunately, the legal market in Wisconsin is almost impossible to break into if you have no ties to the state (which I don't). So I'm working in DC at a high paying firm, but I live in a "transitional" (read - high crime) neighborhood, in an admittedly very nice, although not large, apartment, which I share with a roommate. Because of my student loans (which are upwards of $2000 a month - and yes, I know this is based on my own choices) my salary is enough for me to live in reasonable comfort, but there's not a lot for extras and thus far no savings.

    Hopefully, in a couple years when I have more experience and the market picks up (I hope I hope I hope) I will be able to seek greener pastures in the Midwest. But picking up and leaving now, no matter how desirable, is absolutely impossible.

    Again, I'm not trying to complain. I have a great life and I never expected to benefit from tax cuts or stimulus. I just wanted to point out that as much as I long for a cute house with a small yard, it ain't happening any time soon, despite my obnoxiously large salary.
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 10 months ago
    which brings to mind, lyrics! my apologies to the Buzzcocks:

    I just want a living like any other
    What do I get
    I only want relief that's my belief
    What do I get

    What do I get
    Oh oh what do I get
    What do I get
    Oh oh what do I get

    I'm in distress I need a check
    What do I get
    I'm not on the make I just need a break
    What do I get

    What do I get
    Oh oh what do I get
    What do I get
    Oh oh what do I get
  • walt · 10 months ago
    Political power is only sometimes about getting what you think you deserve. Sometimes it's also about doing what's right for the country and succeeding generations. Very generally, Democrats are better than Republicans when it comes to this sensibility. We're more willing to think of others than just ourselves alone. Thanks for reminding me why I dislike gay Republicans so much.
  • E · 10 months ago
    This post is shockingly tone-deaf.

    I'm honestly really embarrassed for you.
  • sa2968 · 10 months ago
    I read your post with some amusement, especially when you starting speaking about government employees. As one of those employees presently stationed in Puerto Rico, I can tell you that my salary is tied to the cost of living in the washington D.C. area, plus a COLA due to the higher cost of living on a island where everything is imported and our utlity rates are astronomical. I realize many people think that living in Puerto Rico (or the Virgin Islands) is a vacation in paradise, but let me disabuse you of that belief. While living in the caribbean has many, many advantages, I would much prefer to be in D.C.
  • Kevin M. Bartoy · 10 months ago
    Forgiving student loans would be real stimulus for the middle class. That would allow the educated in this country to move forward and use their education to better themselves and the economy. It would be a real investment in this nation.
  • mmedefarge · 10 months ago
    that is a great idea! My kids are staggering under the burden.
  • Topher · 10 months ago
    hear hear
  • Randy · 10 months ago
    I've long advocated that college be FREE. Or at least that you get an actual tax CREDIT -- not just a deduction -- for the money actually spent for tuition etc up to some maximum -- possibly the cost of the State University wherever you live. You could still go to Harvard if you wanted to, but you'd only get a refund equal to your local state university!
    Of course, that assumes there would be JOBS for all the college graduates. Else it would just be a huge loss for everyone.
  • iWoman · 10 months ago
    Seriously. Me, my brother, and parents will prob. be paying off our student loans for years and years (especially the parents).
  • devlzadvocate · 10 months ago
    Just a thought - if you just bought a condo (real estate tax, interest/points) and have lots of health care deductions, business expenses, etc. maybe you will have enough deductions and credits to get your taxable income to a level that will allow the refunds to kick in for you.
  • lisainWA · 10 months ago
    I just don't get this at all and what I really don't get is how your gayness fits anywhere into this. I know plenty of straight, single people without kids.
  • Lolis · 10 months ago
    Plus, I know in DC he could adopt or foster a kid who needs a loving home and get a tax credit.
  • timr · 10 months ago
    You make a good point that cost of living should be factored into these things. Of course, rich people with multiple properties would just use that to game the system some more.
    You're also right about one other thing: all of us should be mad that the bulk of this money is going to help big business and leave those of us with student loans or consumer debt to fend for ourselves.

    But the rest of this post is just silly complaining that doesn't make much sense. If you can afford to buy a condo in DC or any other major city in the northeastern US, you DO NOT need financial help. It really is as simple as that. Alternatively, if this stimulus check is something you really do need, perhaps you jumped into the condo market a bit prematurely. No? Then stop complaining about the meager amount of your tax money that goes to helping those who actually need it. If you lived in Paris you'd be paying much more.
  • Jennifer · 10 months ago
    I could not agree more. It's the same up here in Canada. Single people with no kids (that's me) pay for schools for other people's kids and those people just keep pumping them. I keep my footprint small and I get nothing in return for that. I watch the baby strollers multiply in the meantime. It's just sickening.
  • R. Warren Gill III · 10 months ago
    Seriously?

    The fact that you are seeing other people tells me that you don't live in a cabin you built yourself from wood that you cut your self on an island set apart from the mainland. You are a member of society and you benefit from a well-educated society. Do you really think you get nothing in return? Seriously?

    Why should only those with children pay for a benefit we all enjoy?

    Your worldview is quite limited and guided by greed.
  • Apphouse50 · 10 months ago
    As a single working mother, I took advantage of the $5000 per year dependent care pre-tax exemption every year I could. It was hard -- it was taken out of my income then paid back to me after I paid out a given month's costs, and I know parents that couldn't handle advancing the payment even for the time it took to get reimbursed. Plus, if you don't spend it, you lose it (same for the comparable pre-tax health care withholding benefit). That ran from when my son went into day care in 1991 through grade 8 (for an after school program). That $5000 limit never changed in all those years, was not based on income or tax status. It's not hard to imagine how much child care rates vary depending on whether you are in a place like New York City or Boston or in a place like Peoria or Fargo. Did not one Congresscritter ever think it might be nice to at least file legislation to increase that limit or subject it to other criteria? Last time I checked the limit is still $5K.

    There so much about our tax code that is simply insane. Yet nothing ever really happens.
  • MemphisJim · 10 months ago
    Hey baby, no one suffers like the poor. And where do you get your facts. Helping the poor has been out of vogue for the democrats for quite sometime. Remember welfare reform? It's high time we had someone in leadership that considered the poor. In the meantime, I suggest you make a few lifestyle changes (i.e., cut back to two lattes a day and try not to attend every blogger conference that comes down the pipe). If poor people can manage to survive in this economy, so can your yuppy ass.
  • lilybart · 10 months ago
    " know some in the base of the Democratic party hate money and success. They think anyone who has busted their butt and made it in this country deserve to be punished, or at least shunned."

    John, I call BS on that remark. No one hates success or money, just money gotten by paper pushing frauds in the investment industry or trust fund babies etc.

    Single people of all sexual orientations are ignored in most tax breaks in this counttry.
  • R. Warren Gill III · 10 months ago
    I was with you until you got all republican. I do agree that location ought to be factored into the tax code, $50,000 is just not the same where ever you go. I had friends in rural PA making 29K/year who were living it up lavishly, while I was living in DC barely scraping by at 41K/year. On that note, you are right.

    But, I don't dislike success, and I don't see taxes as penalties for your success. That is a total strawman argument. Emotionally effective, but lame.

    Also, the "What's in it for me?" mentality is part of the problem that led us into the economic crisis. That root is greed.

    With greater success comes greater responsibility. Those at the higher end of the economic spectrum have a moral obligation to those of us down low (I am now unemployed and have been for 6 months).

    Additionally, this stimulus package is designed (albeit flawed) to stimulate the economy. It seems to me that this endeavor is good for everyone. Everyone's success is greater in a growing economy.
  • lilybart · 10 months ago
    Your friends were living in rural PA.....now many of us know we could live in the boonies for less, but I wouldn't call that living!

    I pay a premium to WALK everywhere, go to the world's greatest museums and entertainment, whenever I want. So while there may be programs that should take cost of living into consideration, I would not trade places with the people in rural PA.
  • bigassbelle · 10 months ago
    wtf? I thought this was Americablog. You know, that progressive, left leaning bunch?
  • karen · 10 months ago
    You are being divisive.

    I am deaf. I lost my hearing while I fell through the cracks in the safety net. I got sick while I was insured. While I was trying to get a diagnosis, my insurance lapsed (COBRA) and doctors stopped treating me. Yes, they told me "no money, no care" even though I was clearly about to die. I survived, but I lost my hearing. It took me two years to finally get on disability. Now I'm on SSI disability. I live on $674 (up from $637) a month, plus food stamps. No matter where you live in the US, that's not a lot of money. Try living on that.

    I agree that we should not pay for banker's vacations, office decorations, or airplanes. Please do not begrudge me my extra ten bucks a month. I would like to eat meat every once in a while.

    calm down and look around you
    we are all hurting
  • Lolis · 10 months ago
    I have SSI Disability, too, but have been looking for a full-time job for about two years. I just keep getting temporary jobs. I benefit from the earned income tax credit where I get back more taxes than I pay. Somehow I doubt that John would want to trade places with either me or you so that he can benefit more from the stimulus plan.
  • Gary SF · 10 months ago
    Karen, you are wrong. Not all are hurting. And there seems to be a inverse correlation at work - those complaining the most are those who are suffering the least - if at all. Take care of yourself. Please know that you and others in similar situations are in the thought of many. We do care.
  • Karen · 10 months ago
    Thank you, Gary. Your words made me smile.
  • recusancy · 10 months ago
    This is the exact same argument Megan McCardle always makes. It sounds like pampered whining from her and it sounds like pampered whining from you.
  • mmm · 10 months ago
    quit your fucking bitching --- economically you are not a good stimulus target as you describe your situation ---
  • WordSmith · 10 months ago
    Pampered whining - nice phrase. And it fits. Reading this post, John - you DON'T get it.
  • Joseph · 10 months ago
    I hear you John - as a middle class guy I tend to not get anything from stimulus packages either, e.g. the stimulus tax rebate that was sent out last year. However, with regards to cost of living - i agree that it sucks, but then why stay where you are? As hard as it is to leave your home town, there ARE good cities in other states out there that cost way less. Part of the reason I moved. That will solve a good deal of your problem. Also, I dont know why your school loans are as big as your prevous rent (christ!) but I'm guessing you went to a way overpriced school and aren't getting your ROI on it.
  • Lindsay · 10 months ago
    To Jennifer in Canada, who thinks that she is supporting schools to benefit "other peoples kids", this is my pet peeve. Public education isn't about "other people", it's about having an educated populace and workforce that benefits society. Whether I am purchasing something from a cashier, speaking on the phone to a customer service representative, relying on a nurse/doctor/x-ray technician, or even arguing with the representative of my insurance company about my drug benefit, I am benefiting (or not) from public education. My only gripe about public education (and my tax dollars paying for it) is that it's frequently bad enough that I'm not getting my money's worth.
  • B^2 · 10 months ago
    Here we go again. I was disgusted by John's WATB tantrum when they sent out those $300 stimulus checks, and now this. With your obscene self-entitlement issues and evident resentment towards the lower classes, why are you even blogging as a Democrat?
  • Joseph · 10 months ago
    and by the way - yeah, you do sound like a republican in the making.
  • Ron Tunning · 10 months ago
    John, this is one of those occasions when I really believe someone needs to forcibly transfer some wisdom to alleviate your painfully parochial and selfish perspective. And by "transferring wisdom", I mean smack you upside the head.

    Your screed sounds painfully similar to Rush Limbaugh. Perhaps some OxyContin should be added to your list of normally ingested pharmaceuticals.

    While I fully concur with your assessment of the foolishness of tax policies that do not take into consideration the cost of living, it should be pointed out that the federal government must include these provisions in its compensation agreements or it would be unable to attract qualified people to fill positions. And the federal government doesn't have the choice left open to private enterprise to locate all of its operations in less costly geographic locations. It must serve people where they live.

    I'm particularly distressed by your whining about student loans. Your loan payments are in return for something of value you received. You certainly had other alternatives. You could have pursued a career as a "fry station manager" at McDonald's, or as a greeter at Wal-Mart and avoided the cost of a college education. You might also have selected to choose a less expensive institution for your undergraduate studies, including, perhaps, community and technical colleges that cost far less than four-year institutions.

    As a gay man who's frequently observed the unfairness of tax policies that benefit families, I'm also appreciative of the freedom I have to pursue my own interests without the obligation of having to worry about caring for children and their incumbent expenses. I would never trade places with any of my heterosexual siblings whose lives have been guided and restricted by their familial responsibilities.

    This blog frequently - almost incessantly - promotes mass transit as an Utopian objective. Generally, I agree that more funding should be funneled into mass transit projects and high-speed rail, and that such projects could contribute significantly to improving our environment while cutting the cost of transportation. Yet mass transit and high-speed rail would have little direct impact on the 60,000,000 people who reside in rural areas of our nation who rely almost exclusively upon highways to get to their jobs, retail establishments, homes, and medical facilities, and to transport the products of their labor to urban markets.

    Like you, I favor smarter urban and suburban planning, with greater density preferable to the sprawl we've been encouraging over the past century. Yet, just as you prefer living in an expensive, urban area, there are tens of millions of people who do not share that preference and who long to live less congested lives. Given that our nation has so much land, and there really is a need to populate even the most remote areas if we're to achieve and sustain national connectivity, I'm more than willing to accommodate those who are willing to live in the wilderness, however one might define that term.

    Inherent in nationhood is a social contract that is always evolving yet must somehow include all of its people. The needs of each individual and/or segment of the population are not always identical, nor do they demand the same priority. Currently, our entire financial system is threatened, and should it completely collapse, ALL OF US will pay an enormous cost. Thus, the priority must be on stabilizing the system, which means stimulating the economy. That can best be achieved by funneling money and resources to a maximum number of people and entities, which given our demographics, means supporting families.

    I'm not sure who it is you're referring to as the "people who have rather cushy jobs, guaranteed paychecks, and unlimited health", but I suspect that you're hinting at government employees, since that's the complaint I continually hear from conservatives at town hall meetings who are critical of government employees' wages and benefits.

    Moreover, I don't see that Obama is recommending any tax increases for people who fall within your earnings level. Accordingly, I'm not sure how you can conclude that you're paying for anything. It seems to me that Obama's intent is to borrow the money, not tax you or others like you. And to pay the bill his strategy seems to be to spread the cost among the highest earners, who are also the greatest beneficiaries of our system of government, and to gradually inflate away some of the long-term expenses, in effect repaying the mountain of debt with cheaper dollars. That is, one should note, how we managed the enormous debt that arose from World War II.
  • norca66 · 10 months ago
    Democrats who hate success??? John, please let someone talk you down.
  • tbhull · 10 months ago
    I will not get anything either. I am disappointed but Citibank is really disappointed because they collateralized my recent $1,500,000 no doc/no income loan with only my right to receive a tax refund.
  • Tyro · 10 months ago
    John, trust me-- I sympathize with the flak you get from the peanut gallery whenever the issue of money comes up. Too many liberals are uncomfortable with money, and it's a problem.

    However, look: by any stretch of the imagination, you're doing well. Those students loans you took out were your choice and the investment you made to make as much money you do now. You choose to live in DC rather than Gaithersburg or Baltimore. Can we kindly take a bit of personal responsibility for our own choices in life?
  • HereinDC · 10 months ago
    As I said earlier, If John lived in Baltimore, could he be in CNN newsroom in 30 minutes (with makeup) with Donna Brazil and discussing that days topic?

    Could John meet Rahn Emanuel in 15 minutes at Union Station coffee shop if John lived in Gaithersburg?
  • Sister Faith · 10 months ago
    Thanks Ron....

    I'd need at least 25% more just to live in DC!!
  • onceler · 10 months ago
    Ummmmm, hilarious. Unintentionally so, I'm sure, but hilarious nonetheless. I hope some people who are actually poor read this, and laugh at you like, a whole lot.
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    I'm actually poor, and I'm not laughing. $12K in SS a year, that's it for a single great-grandmother who worked for 50 yrs (and "hard work", too, making others rich). But I don't get any "stimulus" either. 66 million others receive some form of SS, and one third of them are like me, no other income. The median SS check is almost exactly what I get, so there are others much worse off. Guess I shouldn't have given people worse off than me so much of my income in the past, voluntarily, and I don't mean taxes. You know, helping others in real need.
  • whomod · 10 months ago
    Yes John, you're "too gay". [/rolleyes]

    Maybe next year they'll add the $300.00 sequin speedo's tax credit to the tax code.

    But enough cattiness, if you really want that child tax credit, you can always adopt.

    Just please oh please, stop with the victim politics!

    "too gay". Jeezus!
  • Shadow Spawn · 10 months ago
    I agree with your post one hundred percent. I've come to a place now where I realize there is no honor in either party. There really does seem to be an attitude anymore in America that anybody who is successful in life didn't get there by working damn hard, so therefore they don't deserve the fruits of their success. Even though I've busted my butt to get where I am, some power-hungry politician (with more $ than me) can just come along and basically steal it from me and hand it to some slack-ass (not every poor person, but sometimes) who hasn't done a hard days work his entire life.

    I don't agree with very many of your opinions, but I think you are spot on here. Even though you will catch a lot of flak from many liberals.
  • Webster · 10 months ago
    Hold on, folks. There's always a myopia that sets in when you're looking at your own troubles. I've been out of work for three years--but before that I was making $98k/year. I could mostly only see my own problems then too--and they were magnified because they were my own. Now I get by on what's left of my retirement money--pulled to survive--and the kindness of friends.

    When I was well off, I saw incidents of poverty and need, and occasionally sent off a check, but still complained about my co-pays on insurance, and what things cost, and the inequities I saw in how I was treated. The big picture really doesn't swim into view--into clarity--until you lose everything. That makes you deeply aware of the humanity of others and exquisitely sensitive to the pain and misfortune of others.

    A (relatively) good life insulates you--and when stories appear like the one yesterday, the 93-year-old man who died, frozen in his home in Wisconsin because the Electric company shut off his power--when I was well-off, I would have been touched and outraged, but it really wouldn't have stayed with me long. I would have moved on to complain about my car insurance, or some other event that immediately concerned me. Now that I'm sliding toward poverty and have no health insurance or security (or much hope, for that matter), these stories affect me more deeply--and linger in my mind--because I see the hard times so much more clearly than I did. I'm fairly certain I have skin cancer--but there's nothing I can do about it at this point--and there's 20,000 people who die a year in this country because they have no access to health care.

    John's reaction is totally human--and I wouldn't be too hard on him. In his way, he's just wanting less financial worry and freedom from stressing over his health. He wants what we all want--a little more equity and fairness and the ability to live comfortably in a just society. It's just being seen through the lens of his own life--and that's what we all do. In the long run, the good that John does makes up for a little crankiness over personal difficulties.

    My two kopeks worth...
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    I'm sorry about your troubles and have stated so previously. That said, there are many inequities in life. I should have gone to college (I had the brains and grades) but in the late 50s, if you were a poor or working class woman, you got married. We all construct our POV from our own experiences and background. If I hadn't been frugal my whole life, I wouldn't have survived. At one point, when my kids were very small, I paid $20/wk to a woman to come to my house to keep my kids (no daycare back then), out of my $65 (before taxes) per week, and also paid her bus fare. Sometimes her sister filled in for her, and would clean out my refrigerator of food. I felt badly that I could only pay her so little since she had 2 kids of her own, but it didn't leave me with a lot, either, not with my own 2 kids. But I've never, ever been so fond of money that I kept it all to myself and in spite of the greed factor today, there are many out here like me. We've walked in the shoes of real poverty and we know exactly what it's like when you don't have enough to get by. So we help. And so it goes...
  • Webster · 10 months ago
    Your constant kindness and thoughtful posts here have always shown that you have walked through many difficulties and know whereof you speak. Would that there were more people like you in the world. Otherwise known as "the Salt of the Earth."
  • jcgraham77 · 10 months ago
    John,
    I have made the same mistake as you...your commenters for the most part will skewer you if you represent yourself as an overtaxed working man with no benefits. Be careful...they can get ugly.
  • aratina · 10 months ago
    I think if you can actually describe yourself as too "rich" then you really shouldn't be complaining. It is kind of outlandish. Do we really need to go through the whole McCain argument over what "rich" means again? No. We all watched in horror as Warren and McCain chuckled about their snooty take on what it means to be rich then shielded our eyes in vain when Joe the Plumber pulled $250,000 out of his ass. The focus should be on helping the poor and saving the economy, not on pampering well-to-do white single males.
  • Indigo · 10 months ago
    According to the story, Kurt Vonnegut and Saul Bellow were at a convention years ago where a major enterpreneur was the speaker.
    "You know," Kurt said to Saul, "the speaker has made more on one trade than you or I have on the sales of all our books.'
    "True enough," said Saul, "but I've got one thing he'll never have.'
    "What's that?" Vonnegut wondered.
    "I've got enough," Saul Bellow said, "and that speaker never will."
  • renegademom · 10 months ago
    lovely......there is always enough......I needed to remember that today.

    son's cell phone dropped in glass of orange soda ($100)
    Co-pay on my new prescription ($45)
    New tire for car ($99)
    knowing that no matter how much or how little I have, it is always "enough".....PRICELESS
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    Not trying to be trollish, but don't those COLA-adjusted federal employees also pay taxes based on their salaries?

    So, they get paid more to work in a city, but they also get taxed more because their salary is more, which is more or less how the private sector works.

    No?
  • mirth · 10 months ago
    I am a Democrat and I have been both poor and rich and navigated through both of those circumstances. The majority of people I know, both personally and professionally, are Democrats - left Democrats. The majority of print I read is written by Democrats. Ditto my entertainment, mostly produced by Democrats.

    I will never understand the "...some in the base of the Democratic party hate money and success. They think anyone who has busted their butt and made it in this country deserve to be punished, or at least shunned" thinking.

    Nothing in my experience even suggests this meme.
  • DAB · 10 months ago
    I'm a single gay man living in an area (Manhattan) that is 58% more expensive than where John lives (according to: http://www.bankrate.com/brm/movecalc.asp). So while I would certainly appreciate some kind of acknowledgment of local cost of living costs in tax policy, I'm not holding my breath. I'm already taxed on my income by New York City and New York State, as well -- and while I know Washington, D.C., residents have to pay a local income tax, they don't have a state income tax. (I'm sure they, like NYC, also have sales taxes and real estate taxes, in addition to local income tax.)

    But beyond that -- and that would require a far greater overhaul of the tax policy than a fast stimulus package would accomplish -- I think John's whining is exactly that. This stimulus bill isn't about who wins and who loses, who makes money out of it and who doesn't. The whole approach is (supposed to be, at least) about rising the tide to raise all boats.

    Furthermore, Washington DC receives $5.55 in federal spending for every $1 paid in federal income tax -- whereas New York state receives only $0.79 in federal spending for every $1 we pay in federal taxes (according to: http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/...). This isn't a fair apples-to-apples comparison, of course, given the huge number of federal employees centered by necessity in Washington -- though we've got quite a few here in NYC, too, if not not nearly as many. But I'm still willing to bet that more of my federal tax dollars go to support John's streets, subway, schools, police force, fire department, etc., than his go to support mine. I'm fine with that, given that DC is a special case as US cities go (and doesn't even have representation in Congress that can vote on tax and spending bills), but it also doesn't make me feel too sympathetic toward gripes by a Washington DC resident that he's somehow "left out" of the stimulus package.
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

    Take a look at the subways in most major US cities then go look at the DC Metro and tell me who's getting a better deal.
  • caphillprof · 10 months ago
    I think you should take a closer look at the DC Metro and then reconsider.
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    I think you should take a closer look at the NY/Boston/Chicago subways and reconsider.
  • caphillprof · 10 months ago
    You might look at BART and LA and Baltimore

    Cleveland too
  • ndtovent · 10 months ago
    Ditto! It ain't what it used to be. Believe it! '-)
  • caphillprof · 10 months ago
    DC has a state income tax, but no city income tax.

    Most of your $5.55 is actually going to the Maryland and Virginia suburbs.
  • DAB · 10 months ago
    Neither of those assertions make any sense. For one thing, DC isn't a "state" so it has no state income tax, by definition. It can only have a city income tax (which it does have: 4% rate for less than $10k/yr; 6% for over $10k/yr; 8.5% for over $40k/yr). That may also be paid by people who live in the suburbs but work in DC, as it used to be in New York. However, it no longer is the case in New York (which is ridiculous), and I don't know if Congress under such long Republican control would have gone for that either, much as it makes sense.

    And while some or most of that $5.55 may be going home to the Maryland and Virginia suburbs, it's not the same thing. Because Maryland itself gets $1.30 in federal spending for every $1 paid in federal taxes and Virginia gets $1.51 for every $1 in federal taxes. Both of those would include people who live in the suburbs but work in DC (because their federal taxes would be counted as coming from MD or VA, not from DC).

    So, whether we're discussing DC, VA or MD compared to other states, they all still get more of my federal tax dollars paid from here in New York than my state gets from the taxpayers there. Not counting DC, the top ten biggest states on the federal take are:
    1. New Mexico
    2. Mississippi
    3. Alaska
    4. Louisiana
    5. West Virginia
    6. North Dakota
    7. Alabama
    8. South Dakota
    9. Kentucky
    10. Virginia.

    This is as of 2005, the last year the Tax Foundation has data for. Of those states, only New Mexico and Virginia voted for the "big spending" Barack Obama. IN FACT, among all the 32 states (plus DC) shown as getting more from the federal trough than they pay in, 63% went for McCain in the election (and, yes, I counted Nebraska as only 2/3s a Republican state, since 1 of its electoral votes went for Obama). Of the 18 states that pay more in federal taxes than they receive in federal spending, 94% went for Obama. Of these, only Texas, which gets $0.94 for every dollar paid in federal taxes, went Republican in the last election.
  • Ozone · 10 months ago
    Rednecks are taking our money!
  • Ron Tunning · 10 months ago
    I detest these comparisons of which states receive the most money from the federal government. It's true that southern states such as Alabama, Virginia, Louisiana and Kentucky receive a disproportionate share, but that can largely be attributed to the enormous military bases located within their borders. The same can be said for North Dakota, which has a relatively small population yet serves as a key center of our nuclear defense operations.

    South Dakota, another state with a small population, along with North Dakota and Oklahoma, have large concentrations of Native Americans living on reservations and receiving federal monetary support. Other Western States such as Wyoming, Nevada, Montana, New Mexico and Colorado also benefit in terms of federal dollars because of defense facilities.

    I suppose that if you'd like more federal dollars to come to your state you might want to encourage it by recruiting a military base or two. Or perhaps a nuclear waste facility, or a few federal prisons.
  • Zonga · 10 months ago
    There is a lot of competition for military bases.

    Every time base cuts are discussed, every congressman and Senator try to keep the ones in their states.

    Why is that? They're economic engines. So, yes, it is federal money that helps these states.

    (Though I'm not saying I believe your premise. I'd have to see for myself before I believe these estimates do, in fact, include military bases.)
  • caphillprof · 10 months ago
    Let see . . . let's pick on Washington because its the national capital and we're just all poor as church mice in Webster Groves and Darien and Belair etc.

    You cannot complain that DC pays no state taxes and then ignore that it has all the costs of a state, costs which it must finance through its revenue structure. For all practical purposes, and most federal laws, DC is a state.

    It's also true that most federal salaries paid in Washington DC go home every night to Maryland and Virginia. Your statistics are inaccurate.
  • penpal · 10 months ago
    I agree completely with your comments about income versus wealth--it's a skewed system that unfairly favors those who are basically depleting resources and wilderness/farmland to selfishly support a lifestyle that is unsustainable in suburban communities.

    Wealth should be based on the amount of square footage and acreage a person or family inhabits, with the exception of farmland of certain acreages. There is no viable reason that developments in new--or even existing--communities should be the current standard of bloated, oversized houses on bloated, oversized lots. The maintenence of the lawns alone is an environmental disaster, not to mention the need for cheap fuel and plentiful highways and streets to get anywhere.

    We pay outrageous taxes and high property values in Chicago and other cities, and see little in return. Littered streets, bad schools, poor city services, and subway stops that look and smell like sewers. All for sharing a foundation and a roof on an outrageously tiny and expensive city lot with 2 other families with no green space to speak of. The suburbs have it all, at the expense of the cities. What a sham. For those of us who do it anyway, it's because our jobs or our lives depend on it, or because we see the raping of natural wilderness and farmlands as deplorable.

    The tax code needs to be re-written, and the way taxes are spent needs to be re-evalutated. Standards of density that have existed in cities around the globe for centuries need to become the norm again.
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    Tax the McMansions out of existence.

    Now there's a policy I can agree with.
  • Glenn I · 10 months ago
    You make good points, that's sure. The same old way of doing things is broken. Time to make some changes.
  • munjoyfan · 10 months ago
    Please, where do we go to see the details of the law?
    I would like to benefit, but my next door neighbor is unemployed, with a nonsupportive husband, a housepayment, and two ravenous teenaged sons. And there are a lot of seniors in my neighborhood, some on good pensions from the railroad, some not doing so well. It's snowing heavily and these people are all at grave risk of slip and fall in the winter, and the city doesn't have money to do sidewalks. And down the street is an apartment complex where the state has housed a lot of Mental Health clients who need to be bussed to a ball game now and then. These people all need some help.
    Today I made a phone call and signed on with a seasonal employer for $110 a day for the spring and summer weekends. I used to make four times this much. But I'm too old to get hired at that level now. I have a half time job, making peanuts but getting half my health insurance paid for, and I'm grateful to have it. I don't go to nice restaurants any more, do takeout, buy new clothes except when something critical falls apart, or go to the south of France on vacation (way more important than new clothes). My retirement is 40% smaller and I'll be working past my planned retirement age. But still, there are people much worse off than me in my neighborhood. I have a house (a house!), paid for. A car, paid for. And a tenant, God bless my tenant.
    Still, I'd love to get some money out of this......I promise to spend it on locally made products....
  • Sedoy · 10 months ago
    Agree 100%. Democrat or a Liberal Democrat is not the same as Communist. And some comments here (most) suggest that Democrats are Communists who just want to divide money. It makes no sense. This is not about some extreme cases where people got sick or laid off or something. 93% of population still works today. And of the 93% of people, those in upper middle income actually drive economy. Cashier at Walmart will not buy new washer/dryer - middle income will. And that washer/dryer will jump start the economy. This package is not welfare reform, it should help us get out of this depression.
    And what is it with claiming that student loans helped and so Joh should shut up? Yeh, they did help. They better. But it does not mean John wasted whatever he made as a result. These loans are huge today. It takes years to pay off. And these student loans create jobs that drive the economy.
    Bottom line - I will spend what is left. If I have nothing left - well, too bad for economy. My bills are exactly the same. Dollar for dollar. Mortgage is the same, student loans are the same, food is the same. If that package does not help me lower my spending budget - I am out of the game, I am not playing. maybe somebody else making $8-10/hour should buy that car or washer, or maybe even a house.
  • What · 10 months ago
    well, fucking move then.
  • El Rojo · 10 months ago
    John,

    Since you posted the Peanuts cartoon yesterday, I think this is a good time to bring up the quote from "A Charlie Brown Christmas": "All I want is what's coming to me. All I want is my fair share." You sound just like Sally right about now.

    I actually stopped contributing to AmericaBlog after I read that ridiculous post of yours about telling your friend not to come out of the bathroom until either he or the grasshopper (or cicada or whatever it was) was dead. I never understood why you didn't just have your friend get the damn thing and put it outside. Yet, a few months down the line you were there screaming at the top of your little voice about Sarah Palin killing turkeys. A higher life form, I suppose. But I digress...

    And, yes, you do go to Paris once a year or more. I also seem to recall a trip to Greece for what was it--three weeks?--in the not-too-distant past. That's great you get to travel so much. And all that stuff about being good at finagling free trips? Sounds like the same kind of "spin" that you are constantly decrying. It seems to me like you've got it pretty good, John, certainly better than a lot of folks right now. So kwitcher bitching.

    My sugggestion is that the next time there is one of these stimulus package situations, that you write your screed and read it over as many times as you need to so that you can feel better. Then throw it out. Please don't demean yourself by posting that crap. I will need to see a helluva lot more than a disclaimer of "It's not about me," for me to believe that that is indeed what it is about, and all it is about. It's stuff like this post, and the one you wrote last year about not getting what was coming to you, that make me ashamed to be a liberal.
  • munjoyfan · 10 months ago
    About 20% of the population is NOT WORKING, because they are too young.
    Another 15% of the population is NOT WORKING, because they are too old.
    Another few percent (anyone got these numbers?) is not working because they are disabled.
    That leaves, say about 60% of the population in the labor pool.Take out a good chunk of that who are home with preschool children, working in the home.
    So let's say 55% of the population is eligible to work. 8% of that group is unemployed but seeking work (some labor experts say adding the "discouraged" to that makes real unemployed about16%.) So let's say 10% times 55% subtracted from 55% means actually about 50% of the population is employed.

    Maybe three quarters of these have disposable income (meaning you have money to go to a movie or out to eat or for a drink or even to buy a car). We're down to about 37% of the population with money to spend now (over a hundred million people, folks) but they aren't doing so. Will a stimulus check cause them to run to Starbuck's or Burberry's or autoshowrooms? I don't think so. I think it's psychological. The confidence thing. When people feel safe again, they will spend.

    The saving going on right now is a good thing, and perhaps a long term behaviour change. We don't need stimulus checks, we need to bring back manufacturing and the hope of a future paycheck. It's the rising tide that floats all boats. Or as my former governor used to say, the best social program is a good job.
  • Dee · 10 months ago
    My husband and I are baby boomers who worked hard to pay off our bills to retire to take care of elderly parents and a grandchild who needed special care. We paid more taxes and made too much money to get the President Bush’s stimulus check. This economy is such a mess there is enough blame to go around for everyone. Of course, President Bush received most of the blame because it happened on his watch. Those Republicans and Democrats that have been in Washington for years are more responsible than President Bush! Congressmen and Senators have a great pension plans and health care. That they have given themselves. I am most upset that Congress allowed themselves to get an automatic pay raise in this economic crisis and other hard working people are losing their jobs! Where did they get the money for that raise! I wonder who is paying for the raise? I encourage everyone to call their Congressman, Congresswoman, and Senator to get a Stimulus package with safe guards to protect the American people passed quickly for the American people. What do I mean by quickly, we shouldn’t be talking about a stimulus package in April! Republicans and Democrats need to let go of their egos and work for us for a change. Call them and tell them what you like, what you don’t like, or give them ideas. At this point, our ideas are just as good as theirs! Remind them to work as quickly as they let that automatic raise go through for them. People are suffering, and we don’t have time for their childish banter to make their side look good! Republicans and Democrats were asleep at the switch. Here we are! Both sides are looking foolish to me. Dee
  • Ben · 10 months ago
    Oh, grow up. I'm sorry that that the economy isn't living up to your particular sense of entitlement, but the way I see it, you're doing just fine. Internet bloviating is notoriously underpaid, and it would appear that you've managed to milk it for more than most. If you want more money, I'd suggest you find another job. You say you're good at sponging off rich friends and clients. Maybe one of them can point you towards a better career. I don't know anything about your job skills, but it's certainly not your attitude that's holding you back.

    I'm just so sick of hearing people whine about how "the government is giving MY money to THOSE people." The way I see things, that attitude is directly responsible for much of the mess government has become.
  • Sedoy · 10 months ago
    So, Republicans are for the rich and Democrats are for the poor. I guess Middle Class should come up with their own party.
  • Ben · 10 months ago
    You're being deliberately perverse here. Either that, or you're just looking for a way to justify having what you've got and wanting more.
  • Barry Jive · 10 months ago
    Wasn't Aravosis a Republican once upon a time? Or is it someone else who used to work for Ted Stevens?

    "I know some in the base of the Democratic party hate money and success."

    I've been a Democrat in a Democratic city with Democratic friends all my life but have never met a Democrat who hated money and success. I mean more money means more drugs and abortions, amirite?
  • Soaplady57 · 10 months ago
    I just started to get a LITTLE ahead, then my dog broke her leg a couple days ago. $1500. We all have problems, John.
  • Gary SF · 10 months ago
    Uh, I guess you'll have to use a lower-priced designer paint for your new condo. Or maybe you'll have to survive with one less international trip this year.

    Do you have any idea just how repulsive these posts are? Grow up.
  • StandStrong · 10 months ago
    Finally someone said what I've been saying all along. Is there an American Dream for gay people or is our only purpose to turn over any excess monies we make to the str8s in power. Tax us for the Military and ensure that we don't get the benefits. Make sure that we inherit at the highest Tax Rates. Tell me, gay people, what does Nancy Pelosi and congress really offer us. Don't you get tired of receiving crumbs all the time. I know I do.
  • Shonnie · 10 months ago
    There are quite a few single, childless straight people.
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    Yeah, single straight person here.

    And the marriage breaks and child breaks kind of annoy me too.

    Trouble is, half the single, childless people don't want to stay that way, so it's impossible to build a political power base with them.

    So, there ya go...
  • Older_Wiser · 10 months ago
    One last comment for all those who complained about people with kids: Children are the future--you know, those little human beings? If there aren't children, there is no FUTURE. After all, there were people who complained about you when you were kids, too. They were called curmudgeons.

    Do you really want the human race to die out? If not, then don't complain about women giving birth because it's going to happen whether or not you approve.
  • RaleighRob · 10 months ago
    Bull.

    Human beings on this planet are breeding like rabbits on Viagra. The schools are overcrowded and the health care system overtaxed. My local county, for example, is building new schools every year, adding trailers to the existing ones, and they still cannot keep up. I've even heard of classes being held in janitor's closets.

    By *NOT* having kids, I'm actually HELPING society...yet I have to pay higher taxes than the folks too lazy to use birth control? That's not just unfair...it's completely illogical.

    IF the birth rate was significantly low, you may have a point. But it is not....population is skyrocketing by the day. Yet we keep rewarding those who make it worse.
    Child tax credits make sense for those that adopt and perhaps even for those that limit themselves to one, maybe two kids. But for those that just pop out new kids like an assembly line? Stupid, stupid.
  • ninepatch · 10 months ago
    Oh, I am so sorry you have to resent your money going to the poor to heat their homes. That is indeed a burden. Although we both have worked hard all of our lives, we seem to be chucked into that poor catagory. (which has nothing to do with our happiness, btw) It is freezing up here in the frozen north. It is snowing today and expected to snow all night long to a total of 15 to 18 inches. We bought this 200 year old, four room house, a handyman's special, fixed it up, paid it off in three years and worked for the past twenty five years we have been here. Heating costs for this old, but beloved, house are off the wall. Do you expect people to freeze or get hypothermia because they are conserving the heating costs they cannot afford in one shot every month. Do you expect people in their seventies to go get a job to pay for it? You figure out how come people have to spend fifteen years to pay off a student loan,---but I will say it is not the fault of the poor that you have to do so. Years ago, it was possible to become a nurse in a hospital school for, and this is the highest amount of five hundred dollars for three years education. And that included classes and work during the summer months. No vacations off except for one week per year. What does it cost today to attain a nursing degree and license? Someone decided that a college degree is necessary and so, up soared the costs, and those wishing to enter that field, are now in debt with student loans I paid my five hundred by saving up every paycheck I ever earned beginning at the age of fourteen even before that.. We were extremely poor, living in projects and after ww II, living in veterans projects. I am so sorry you resent paying for the poor to help them stay warm in the freezing places. We have just lived off the trough of others for some sixty years and really why should we consider taking money from those who have more to stay warm---as human beings.. I suppose we could always go out into the woods, both of us in our seventies, and chop down trees, to chop up and split and burn that in our forty year old fireplace, most likely a fire hazard at this point, in a two hundred year old house, for warmth, heh?
  • ABProsper · 10 months ago
    Student loans are killing a lot of people. My buddy just graduated from a California state college, a low cost institution with a degree in computer science. His student loans are on the cheap side, around $500 a month.

    This is basically a car payment . What it means that between just putting food on the table and paying his bills leaves him well out of the market for big ticket goods.

    Lots of people are in his boat and these are the people that theoretically should be doing well. Blame it on technology or outsourcing or whatever else you like but of we don't even things out, we will have major problems down the line.

    And as for the other point about subsidizing kids. I have no kids either but I am OK with paying for them.

    Kids are hellishly expensive and if we don't subsidize them people will either not have kids (which if it goes on too long is catastrophic) or they will have poorly educated throwaways, neither of them lead to a good society.

    Lastly, as for getting people into crowded cities. No. No. No. Its great for people with authoritarian tendencies who long for people to order around but it kills population replacement. if you can barely afford to live in D.C. what makes you think working class parents can afford to raise quality kids there? Unless wages go up people can't afford to have kids in cities

    Well thought out suburbs and exurbs with decent schools are great places to raise kids unlike crowded metros.
  • shanobama · 10 months ago
    No one has mentioned that the money we give to the poor in other countries usually goes to prop up some scamming pol of the upper class.

    Our working people send money to the poor in 3rd world countries..but it really goes to some obscenely rich politico or dictator and used to keep oppressing the people.
  • ABProsper · 10 months ago
    Good point. A good rule to remember is one of my "laws" governments only want to talk to other governments.

    It doesn't really matter of they are bad ro good as long as they are government.
  • shanobama · 10 months ago
    Thats what universal health care would do..give the middle class and small business a decent break -and security- and peace of mind.

    Why cant we all have this?
  • sadstate · 10 months ago
    What's really unfortunate is that you obviously have no choices in life. I mean, God ordained you to "edit" a blog and live wherever you see fit, in a condo, no less. To choose otherwise would go against the Creator's wishes.

    Seriously -- I rarely come across such an immature rant.

    In the last decade, I have worked as an actor. It is a vocation I love doing -- something about which I am extremely passionate and for which I have developed a following, a large group of people who support me and want me to continue. But it's a pursuit that doesn't always pay my expenses.

    I'd love the luxury of indulgently thinking I should be able to do whatever I want and therefore be insulated from tough choices about my livelihood -- but I'm too reasonable and mature for that.

    About 16 months ago I decided my situation required me to put my true wishes on hold while I pursue a more responsible course. I moved to a bigger area where there were more opportunities and got a 9 to 5 job with good health insurance, I'm on hiatus from my acting career until I can create a situation that makes it more sustainable. I miss what I had been working toward -- but I know I am only on hiatus. The choice to pursue something that allows me to live within my means -- and even put some money away in savings for the future -- has been, for lack of a better phrase, very adult.

    So, maybe instead of wasting time ranting that you're too special to have to make the hard choices we all face and you're too entitled to have to give up something you've chosen, you ought re-examine your priorities and figure out how to live within your means.

    In other words, it's time to grow up.
  • captainj1 · 10 months ago
    I agree with you. I didn't get anything out of the last "rebate" nor will I get anything from this one. My situation is that I am retired. My partner, who I cannot marry, had lymphoma last year. He cannot work, I support him. I had to take enough money out of my 401k to cover our expenses, which are, like yours, high due to the fact that we live in an expensive area. A small inexpensive home when we bought it 20 years ago, now pricy and expensive.

    Because I took money from my 401K, at it's depleted value, and since that is counted as "earnings" for the year, my taxes were based on a high income. My partner did not pay taxes. Neither of us got the rebate and for the same reason neither of us will get a tax break under the new proposed relief.

    I feel like I am screwed any way I turn. I am trying to work more doing retirement consulting stuff, but it gets me screwed up with even more taxes. If we were married under the tax law, we would collect the max under the rules.

    Anyone got an idea here?
  • Bush_Bites · 10 months ago
    Man, I'm just loving this thread.

    More rants, please.
  • SkippyFlipjack · 10 months ago
    John, you've chosen not to have kids. Being gay has nothing to do with that. I have gay friends who've had kids via surrogacy. You're not going to engender a lot of support if you claim discrimination about the child tax cut.
  • whomod · 10 months ago
    It's not just that he's gay, it's that he's "too gay"!

    Which I'm sure in his mind is the same thing.
  • jlassen · 10 months ago
    Every once in a while, you post these idiotic "woe is me, I didn't get MY cookie" posts. Fucking stop it. The rebate check wasn't for you. The stim plan isn't for you. It's for the economy as a whole. And if you want to bitch that it isn't being spent correctly... the the stimulius pan isn't enough, or isn't going in the right places, bitch about that. But don't bitch that you didn't get a cookie. You sound like a fucking auto company or a bank ceo.

    I'm a small buisness owner who is also not getting any breaks. And I don't care. What I DO care weather the plan is effective in jump starting the economy as a whole. If I get a cookie, its a bonus-- but I'm certainly not going to piss and moan if I don't.
  • cambridgemac · 10 months ago
    fabulous post. Wish I read it first and just said "ditto."
  • dday · 10 months ago
    Um, roads? Maybe a new transit line in DC? Lower healthcare costs because people below your station get help instead of burdening the ER? Your stocks might go up if the economy recovers?

    Can we do "trickle-up" for a change?
  • ndn · 10 months ago
    John,

    There is nothing for me either, but I did not expect there to be anything in it for me. My husband and I make a good living, we have only one child and two credit cards between us. Our house is small, but we live below our means and always have we regulary save money. We took two family vacations together last year and we are doing ok. This stimulus is not for us. I have told my friends who are in similiar situations to spend more to help out the economy. I'm going to the salon to get my hair and nails done and my car washed this weekend so that when the economy does recover we will still have these small businesses in my neighborhood. My daughter and husband love to bowl, so they are keeping their membership in their league so that the bowling alley will survive along with the employees . Stop whining...
  • still_alive_now_what? · 10 months ago
    John,
    People are scolding you, saying you have just about everything, so
    you should appreciate it all instead of complaining.

    Let's talk about something which you DON'T have, but many of your readers DO have (being older and somewhat wiser):

    FEAR.

    1.Fear of finding out you have some 'pre-existing' medical condition
    (like HIV, for me, in 1984), so you maybe can't get health insurance, ever. Plus, how long will you live? 5 years? 10 years? I'm still here
    That's 24 years. Of a death sentence hanging over you.

    2. Fear when you lose your job (if you DID get insurance) that you'll never get insurance again, since you have a 'pre-existing' condition

    3.Fear, onc e you have lost your insurance, how will you get medical treatment, blah blah blah.. so you go to 'free clinics.'

    4. FEAR- after working for yourself as a contractor for years, using 'free clinics' for your treatment.. you end up in the hospital one night with
    serious intestinal problems. Will they admit you?

    5. FEAR: sure, they admitted you, but you must have immediate surgery to remove 12 inches of rotted intestines, due to undiagnosed CANCER.
    Who knew? The Free Clinic sure didn't think to test for it earlier.

    6. Fear- of the coming 6 months of Chemotherapy, something that NO ONE EVER WANTS TO GO THROUGH.
    (Oh, also, fear... who's going to pay for it?)

    7. Oh, I forgot-- Fear of not being able to breathe, if you just HAPPEN to get pneumonia during your hospital stay, and they have to jam a breathing tube down your throat. Complications, you know...

    8. Fear: Let's say you are on an SSI Disability now, and generous Medi-Cal (you'd be dead by now if you were living in Georgia or Alabama, and had Medi-caid.. just ask any nurse))..
    You're actually too weak to even have fear-- that takes energy. Chemo-
    therapy leaves you totally helpless and weak. . What if something happened to your partner, who's taking care of you.. you can't drive, cook, even walk, during Chemotherapy. You can barely watch TV
    or read eMails. It's no picnic. Oh yeah-- you aren't working,
    so there's no money to EAT. That's okay, because during chemo,
    you don't want to eat.

    9. Fear of what will happen for the future.. you are recovering from cancer, you are UNINSURABLE, you must pay your rent based on a
    $650/month disability SSi payment, and you can no longer afford to
    live in your city (Los ANgeles) because all the rents are sky-high,
    and everyone else is a millionaire,
    and you are already late every month (my rent was $1200.m, split between my partner and me).
    That means my whole SSI check went for my share of the rent, except for $40 (yay!).

    10. Fear of if .. and when the cancer will return, and how I'll get treatment
    next time around (I had been lucky enough to be enrolled in a "study"
    the first time around)

    11. The fear my mother felt, 15 years ago-- she was a 40-year Blue Cross health insurance customer, and ONE time, her bill payment
    was late or lost, or something. They dropped her. FORTY YEARS
    of paying on-time. Know what happened next?

    Her doctor found a "lump". Sooo... she scrounged for cancer treatment, found something, some research study again, involving getting on a plane to D.C. every two weeks, and vomiting all the way back;
    went through it by herself (I can't imagine how), and she's fine to this day,
    however, she is UN-INSURABLE.
    ------------------------------------------

    You're young. You'll land on your feet, whatever happens. ANd, you have connections.

    Stop complaining.

    I .. today....have a choice between heating gas this week, or groceries. After reading your post, I blew the money on BBQ ribs, a bottle of
    wine, and fancy beer for my partner. To hell with heating gas, to hell with groceries. What's the point? Should've got one of those fake mortgages
    you blame for everything, then walked away... hell, they would have taken the house away anyway, for the emergency surgery ($80,000?)
    and the six months of chemo ($125,0000?)

    I can build a house, rebuild an engine, light and costume an entire theatrical production, and once, I could even write well. I'm not much older than you. Get some perspective on what's going on outside of D.C., please.


    Meanwhile, listen to your commenters. They are a thoughtful, wise bunch. I hope they all don't leave after this. Your post was not up to your usual standards, and you should print an apology to your readers.



    sr
  • david · 10 months ago
    I'm a Fed and this year my healthcare will cost me at least $5000 out of pocket for my share of premiums and co payments. And now you are singling out me and other feds for inaccurate broadsides on our pay and benefits. Screw that, but read on if you really want to know more:

    What does federal locality pay have to do with anything you've said? i usually agree with you on everything, but you are totally off base on this one.

    Locality pay is NOT "hardship pay". You are totally ignorant. It was set as the cost of labor in specific regions. Labor costs more (and it costs more to live) in certain areas. The cost of living is higher in Hawaii and the Bay Area and Alaska than many areas, so those locality rates are higher. Do you think it's fair to pay some people doing the same job in Kansas City the same as those in San Francisco? They used to do that and it didn't work.

    Locality pay was set by leglislation and studies years ago and is only adjusted each year.

    And before you get excited about your healthcare, I am a Fed and because i wear an artificial limb, I have to pay out of pocket 20% of the cost every two years for a new one (they wear out). The copayment went from 10% to 20%. The limb costs around $15000, you do the math. And you consider my pay "hardship". Screw that. I ain't getting rich and I still pay 30% of my health care premium to boot.

    I'm all in favor of you getting what you need in spite of your singling out my group as if we are living the high life.
  • david · 10 months ago
    Oh and you help kids because

    1) they aren't able to help themselves
    2) they will be paying your retirement

    Deprive them and see how well you do in your later years.
  • dcredhead · 10 months ago
    um, #2 isn't correct. Social Security is a pay as you go system... meaning, I pay for my retirement. Not your kids. Oh, and I also pay for their schools, my tax dollar underwrites the child care tax credit (event though I don't have a kid), and I could go on. So parents, spare me the whole "my kids pay for your retirement." No they don't and they never will.
  • cambridgemac · 10 months ago
    "some in the base of the Democratic party hate money and success"

    Hello John! Other people have justly taken you to task for whining. I want to point out that the line above is a Republican talking point and it is a lie. If not, please show me some of these Democrats.

    I've spent 30 years working in non-profits helping people with HIV, the disabled, environmentalists, and so on. I have $80,000 in my 401-K and NO PENSION. I've been around lots of lefty Dems - I am one myself - actually, I'm a pinko fag - and I think you should be ashamed of yourself for encouraging people to think that there are Democrats who "hate success." What's next? Will you talk about who's a Real American and who's not? Or who "hates America?"
    Sheesh
  • jcgraham77 · 10 months ago
    John,
    Please don't be honest in the future. Your readers can't deal with it. It makes them irritable. Also, to all you commenting who are pointing out that they are the poor people who are sick or cant get a job or pay their bills etc etc etc....get off the internet and focus on making more money somehow or another job or something. I live in memphis...one of the nastiest low income places i have ever been==anyone can go out and get a job here...it just takes the will. Also, if you people are so poor and needy then why are you on the internet??? Are you paying the monthly service fee or pirating?? If you are paying the bill I suggest you cut that luxury out of your life and pay some of the other bills you are whining about.
  • shell · 10 months ago
    Why don't I? Well, because I am half paralyzed from a stroke. I CAN'T work. I love your comment on "poor people who are sick ... get off the internet and focus on making more money SOMEHOW ... or SOMETHING."

    Wow! Great advice Sparky. I, too, live in a city in California. I can't afford to buy a house, yet John can. Does that mean HE is a harder worker than I? hahahahaha

    OK, if you want to make this personal, then consider this: *I* raised 3 children, mostly by myself. Did John? I had NO student loans. Why did John? Why was he paying off a loan for a JD degree, when he doesn't use it? I don't jet off to Europe at least once a year. Why does John? (I could go farther but will stop now.)

    Bottom Line: I don't begrudge John what he does or buys; those are HIS choices. but why does HE do this? I am not, nor ever have I ever been, on welfare. I live within my means, which are rather low, since my stroke happened right as my baby graduated from high school. I would have loved to help my kids out with their college costs, but couldn't. I would love to jet off to Europe even once! Much less once a year. But I can't.

    Just know that you do NOT know everything about everyone. So spare us the "advice" of not paying for the internet if we are having a hard time. For your information, my roommate pays for the internet, not me. He needs it for his business, and I use it because it IS free for me.

    When you start lecturing others, just remember, you really DON'T know everything, although you seem to think you do.
  • tulanzuya · 10 months ago
    John said: "I should not be paying for this economic stimulus package."

    Eh...who should be? If the poor pay for it, they are only going to break even. Where's the stimulus in that?

    Mercy, already. America's working "poor" - big dreamers, hard workers, always striving for better - have been literally raped, robbed, stabbed, and beaten for their last few dollars over the past 20 years, especially so in the last 8. The fact that it has not been Democrats leading the band on that tune, is somehow cause to despise Democrats? Where's the logic? And to further imply that Democrats are constantly successful in getting more entitlements for the "poor" -- well, so where are they? Safety nets are virtually nonexistent. And if you want to talk entitlements, well - these days, that's only for the rich, the landed, the landlord, and the financial schemer, and precious few others.

    The way I see it, if you're not on the list, in Republicanville you're simply screwed, as you plainly see.

    On the other hand, in Demville, if you ask those who get some stimulus benefits, for a few bucks from each of us so you CAN get your medicine, do you think Dems would actually help you?

    So there you go. If we get the money, you benefit. Imagine how flush you'd be if we got ALL the trillions OF OUR OWN MONEY that were simply poured down the gaping maw of the wealth-worshipping cabal, for no one's benefit but their own. We are generous and kind, and they are not. We deserve it, and they don't. Unfortunately you are caught in the middle, but as long as we are getting something, we will try to make sure that those like you, if you have a need, will be taken care of too. That is the true Democratic spirit, that you would call success-hating?

    Aw, hopefully you were just having a good gripe, and stirring up a little contrary stew on a frigging cold day.
  • Plisko · 10 months ago
    I don't get this post John. I lived in NYC for 9 years. It was a very expensive city and my standard of living was very low in order to live there (roach infested heat pipe clanging old run down apartment). I wasn't poor. I was a person doing pretty well who wanted to live in a very expensive place.

    Eventually I decided I wanted a better standard of living so I moved out of NYC and now I am in Phoenix with a house, 2 cars, a big screen TV and I live a very comfortable suburban life under the same basic income. I miss NYC but I also enjoy the higher standard of living where I am.

    John, your perceived need for the stimulus plan is not the result of your need for survival. It is the need to stay in the condo in the expensive city you live in. If you lived somewhere else you would have more money to spend and any suggestion of needing bailout money would be a joke.

    I don't think blogging and lawyering are urban dependent lines of work. You have a right to live in the city of your choice but you don't have the right to do it without feeling an economic pinch.

    The fact the the government pays differently in different places is a red herring in my view. Many employees don't have a choice where they are sent to live. You do.
  • PaulDem · 10 months ago
    We can solve a lot of this by regionally indexing the income tax personal exemption so it is varies higher or lower depending on the cost-of-living in a particular area. I'm sure people would squeal about such an "urban tax cut" but it would go a long ways towards injecting a little more fairness into the tax code.
  • dcredhead · 10 months ago
    You see John, you don't matter because you don't have kids. Neither do my husband and I ... we don't have kids either. But yet we have to PAY for those kids, we pay for the subsidization of them through the child care tax credit, we pay property taxes to finance their schools, blah blah blah (yet the myth that 'they pay our retirement' is perpetuated, which is patently false) So, my dear, we get no deductions. You haven't reproduced, so you are not valued by society in any way shape or form (I speak from experience on this one).

    My husband and I are "rich" too -- crammed into a tiny little apartment mostly because we didn't want a massive commute into the city every day because we wanted to reduce our carbon footprint. Could we have afforded a big house in the suburbs, with two flat screen TV's, two cars, etc? Yes... but we didn't because we wanted to avoid putting more fossil fuels into the air. We pay a ton of money for a TIIIINY little apartment... but don't forget, we're rich. And since we don't have kids, we pay more in taxes and we don't get shit from the tax code. Oh, and don't get married folks. When you get married, you pay EVEN MORE in taxes, so it's better to live in sin. Welcome to America. We are not rich. Not by a long shot.
  • Pete · 10 months ago
    WAAA!! Sob sob sob!