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AMERICAblog: What House announces what they're doing tonight, or not

  • IamSmartypants · 7 months ago
    THIS JUST IN...

    NEW BENEFITS WILL INCLUDE HOME RENOVATION CREDIT. ANY GAY PERSON ADDING OR REMODELING A CLOSET WILL RECEIVE A 50% REBATE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

    --30--
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    Just in... The fine print says the closet must have a lock that can only be opened from the outside. So once they get us back inside, we will never leave again.
  • IamSmartypants · 7 months ago
    But they just clarified it will cover 100% of all soundproofing costs, so we don't have to listen to them any more.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    Sorry Smarty but you misread that section. The sound-proofing is so they don't have to listen to us anymore. :?)
  • IamSmartypants · 7 months ago
    Exactly. Could have phrased it better. Guess I've been reading too many DOJ briefs...
  • AL · 7 months ago
    More importantly, they won't be able to hear us anymore!
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    ROFLMAO!!!!!!
  • Jhombi · 7 months ago
    I have been cogitating for the last week to figure out, dispassionately, why O is going through all this truly unnecessary sturm und drang. Then I saw it, it isn't and wasn't unnecessary at all. This was a political decision, and someone had to know this would generate a sh*tstorm of controversy.

    What was in it for them? Someone had to see a payoff from this debacle. What I see here is the (yet again, tone-deaf "centrist") hand of Rahm. As best I can figure this is a ploy to pull those mythical disenchanted "values voter" centrists over to the Democratic side by using what sociologists call a humiliation ritual. By publicly shaming gays it signals their continued lower caste status to the dominant caste.

    This looks like his usual klaxon not dog whistle imbecilic centrist approach, with the usual collateral damage to the Democratic party. I think the calculation was they will gain more of these mythical social conservatives than they will lose in gays.

    I think this is what is preventing the WH from backtracking. This was not an error that can be quickly ameliorated; it was a strategy that has run into a buzzsaw, and Rahm is trying to figure out how to split the baby- how little do I have to give up to the gays to maintain the overall goal. This arrogant, ill-considered, and half-assed Machiavellian ploy sure is working out just as well as Rove's Permanent Republican Majority did.
  • Zorba · 7 months ago
    Johmbi, I think you've nailed it. I was thinking the other day that this smelled like Rahm Emanuel, and for all the reasons you mentioned. I was originally an Edwards supporter, and the thing that made me the most nervous about Obama was the whole Chicago political connection. Not because I thought Obama was crooked in any big financial/bribery/pay-for-play type of way (although, who really knows?), but because politics in Chicago is ruthless and calculating (besides being crooked financially). And Rahm is one of the most ruthless and calculating Illinois politicians around. There's a reason Obama chose him as his chief of staff.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    So it's a declaration of non-descrimination, except for all the discriminatory portions. Oh, now I get it!
  • sdv · 7 months ago
    What really baffles me is this. Obama is going to get some flak from the conservatives for this. They don't care about the fine print - on face value this comes across as Obama giving gays special rights. So Obama is willing to take that flak without actually doing anything to further equality. It isn't even an executive order - it's like he's trying to make it as meaningless as possible. Those of us who might have been impressed see it as the empty act that it is, and are going to think less of him. Those of us who don't like teh gays see it as special rights for gays, and are going to think less of him. So what's the point of making this memorandum that does nothing and will only make both sides angry at him?
  • BlueJelloElf · 7 months ago
    And then they'll use that as evidence that they can't do anything more. Argh!
  • Diogenes · 7 months ago
    Did you see how fast they reacted when actual donations were jeopardized? Money talks. Answer every fund-raising request with a flat reply of "No equality, no money." They'll fold if they see you're serious.
  • Muzikal203 · 7 months ago
    Precisely, I hate to be overly cynical, but they weren't doing ANYTHING until MONEY was jeopardized.
  • AL · 7 months ago
    As Wonkette noted, perhaps discounts to the National Parks?
    That'd be a biggie!
  • BlueJelloElf · 7 months ago
    Plus, you can take home one pen from the office supply cupboard a year to give to your same-sex partner or "non-biological, non-adopted child." Only one, mind you!
  • watchington · 7 months ago
    QUIT REPORTING THE NEWS AND START A FUCKING RIOT, JOHN. You're excellent at corporate/political hissy fits. START ONE NOW.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    John started it a long time ago, watchington. You just arrived at the party a bit late.
  • HereinDC · 7 months ago
    Because of Twitter....Iran is getting noticed.

    Because of John A.... This is getting noticed.
  • bbock · 7 months ago
    One of the keys to churning up a political hissy fit is to make sure you don't over play your hand. I haven't always agreed with John's histrionics, but in this case he's been pitch-perfect. He's providing information and a place for people to vent and get others energized. He's simple outlets for our growing anger but is keeping a reserve for what's next. And most important, he's moderating this forum to make sure we don't go to far off the rails.

    Good job, John. I'm making a donation today.
  • BobbiCW · 7 months ago
    Doesn't anyone up there realize that this is worse than nothing? Who's advising the Pres?

    All he had to do was a Stop Loss for DADT and immediately apologize for that horrid DOMA brief last week and we'd have still grumbled but we'd at least have been willing to give him a bit more time.

    Now I want to see a PLAN!

    No gay rights, no gay $$$.
  • BlueJelloElf · 7 months ago
    Exactly! And instead he just keeps making it worse and worse and worse.
  • FunMe · 7 months ago
    I try not to do this, but when you reach the end of your patience all I can say:

    Obama, look at my hand and read between the lines!

    They all can jump in the river for all I care.

    The Obama administration is ending up to be the joke of the century.
  • Milli · 7 months ago
    John, lets not overreact. Obama did invite some gay parents and their children to the Easter Egg hunt at the White House!!! Just remember that when he speaks tonight!
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 7 months ago
    yup! we made it... I noticed they still aren't including lepers in the easter egg thing.

    so we've surpassed them in popularity!!

    /snark
  • AL · 7 months ago
    Seeing that overplayed fly-swatting scene again this morning, a thought occurred to me: THAT FLY WAS GAY.

    That's EXACTLY how he treats the GLBT community.
    Pesky little bugs that need to be squashed without a second thought and kicked to the side.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    Good analogy.
  • DavidNOVA · 7 months ago
    Ha, I knew this would happen! Although I'm a federal employee, my partner, who is self employed, and I pay for our own private insurance, since it doesn't cost him much more to simply add me to his insurance. It "only" costs somewhere near 1700 per month for us to be covered.

    Guess we'll continue to be paying the equivalent of two mortgages (our real mortage and our monthly health insurance) for years to come.

    Although, I'm sure toward year's end, Obama will have implemented bold health care reform that will knock down our monthly premium to $1500. Public option? Yeah, right. That'll really happen under Obama.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Apologize? Why would they apologize for something they plan to repeat?

    For all the BOLD, NEW policies that were touted before the election, I don't see much of it. I see a lot of same old, same old for Wall Street, GLBT, etc.

    There is a lot of lovely window-dressing, though.
  • offspring · 7 months ago
    of course our brave gay soldiers get fucked, and since we cannot be marrired well except in six states but that doesnt matter, then 99 percent of this doesn't apply this is crap pure crap any gay person that goes to this stupid fund raiser is a f'n tratior
  • bruces · 7 months ago
    "I'm doing all I can, but my hands are tied."

    Untie your hands.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    Didn't know BO was into the kinky.
  • Mark · 7 months ago
    What concerns me most is that those who don't closely follow the news will think that this is a big leap forward for same-sex couples. It's not, especially in the context of the betrayal so many of us feel.
  • DavidinPS · 7 months ago
    Yep. My local paper (conservative), using the AP wirestory, has it looking like the biggest leap forward in civil rights since the sixties.

    All part of the plan.
  • Blueflash · 7 months ago
    It will give our opponents a convenient way to portray us as impossible to satisfy. "Quit your incessant whining, drama queens. Would Bush have done that for you?"
  • FunMe · 7 months ago
    My liberal friend sent me the NY Times article. I had to tell her it was not really good news. I shared with her some articles from Americablog.
  • former democrat · 7 months ago
    If you folks had been paying attention during the primaries, this would not have come as a shock to you. It certainly does not come as a shock to me.
  • Indigo · 7 months ago
    I sadly agree. I'd thank you not to rub it in. Mazeltof!
  • judybrowni · 7 months ago
    I was an Edward's supporter, switched to Obama only when forced.

    But then I began to pay attention to his speeches, his promises -- and to my now shame, convinced my gay brother to contribute and vote Obama.

    I'm a lifelong Democrat from four generations of Democrats, and this, plus the backpedalling on the public option for healthcare has caused me to call the DNC and tell them I'm switching my registration to Independent.
  • Indigo · 7 months ago
    I liked Edwards.  I'm also from a traditionally Democratic family, AFL-CIO all the way!  I'm not going to change registration to "Independent" though.  I wanted to list as Socialist or CPA but those are not options here in Florida.  So I stay registered a Democrat, partly because we have very nasty Republicans on hand (Jeb Bush comes to mind) and I don't want to contribute in any way to their sense of security or comfort.  I could enroll as Libertarian but mostly I don't really buy into their ruggged cowboy dog-eat-dog lifestyle philosophy.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    "What House" about wraps it up. ( or perhaps, "What-not" House )


    "Where's the apology . . ."
    =============================
    As I mentioned yesterday, there will be no apology. Obama is too stubborn and proud to admit this huge mistake. If we don't appropriately kiss their feet for this first glance our direction, they will use it to show how spoiled we are and it will give them the excuse to not do anything more because we were ungrateful for this "gift." Watch and see.
  • blackjack00801 · 7 months ago
    I said that back during the McClurkin debacle. If there was one thing that Obama learned from Dubya, it was never to admit a mistake.
  • Butch1 · 7 months ago
    He has proven to be a quick learner.
  • JR · 7 months ago
    Part of the problem is that, if Obama were to do more on the eve of a major gay activists' fundraiser for the DNC, it would look like he was pandering for money.

    The solution here is clear: where other party guests bring bottles of wine or hors d'oeuvres, Obama brings speeches. So turn this fiasco of a fundraiser into a major policy address laying out, in a room full of skeptics, why exactly he hasn't yet fulfilled his promises on CIVIL RIGHTS, and what he plans to do to pressure Congress to repeal DOMA (and DADT, since clearly he doesn't have the chops to exercise his C-in-C authority on that issue, even while the military admits actual, honest-to-God Nazis). And in that speech he ought to lay out the case for equal civil rights - which he can do even as he shamefully continues to support only "civil unions" instead of marriage equality.

    This fundraiser is no longer a viable option, and will generate far more anger than donations. It's going to take a very grand gesture to salvage this disaster and avoid further damage, and I don't think anything short of a full Presidential address will suffice (especially not a token appearance by Biden--this sonata needs a concertmaster, not a second fiddle).
  • Will · 7 months ago
    Such a rush job they didn't catch the 'ant' typo:
    The Memorandum follows a review by the Director of the Office of Personnel Management ant the Secretary of State

    What a bunch of amatuers, can't wait to see if Chuck Todd gives the grilling he promised on Rachel Maddow.
  • blackjack00801 · 7 months ago
    This is not a .pdf, just a transcript. The "ant" typo may be from whoever typed this blog. That doesn't mean the whole thing isn't inadequate...
  • terrya · 7 months ago
    I feel silly for asking this, but...

    No calling on the Congress to enact legislation to repeal DOMA? This would be a great opportunity to do that.

    I'll call my Reps, Jan Schakowsky in the House and Durbin and, ugh, Roland Burris in the Senate to tell them that this needs to be done. With the comment that I am not donating to the Democratic Party until this happens.
  • Blueflash · 7 months ago
    How did the call to that clown Burris go? When I called his office last about the family reunificatioin bill I talked to a guy who sounded like a high school drop-out.
  • terrya · 7 months ago
    I haven't called yet. I DID receive an email from Burris' office a while back about repealing DOMA. I swear, it was the most amateurish thing I've seen from a United States Senator...NO letterhead or anything. Maybe Roland figures he won't be there before 2010...
  • Blueflash · 7 months ago
    Even he probably has the brains to have figured that one out.
  • Blueflash · 7 months ago
    I just called Senator Durbin urging him to take more initiative on our issues because it's clear Obama won't. Debating whether calling Roland isn't a total waste of time.
  • Blueflash · 7 months ago
    Of course DADT will preclude gay service members from being included. I'm sure Obama sees that DADT and DOMA are the ultimate stumbling blocks to all our progress. This is a president who prides himself on seeing how things are interconnected, after all.
  • liberlart76 · 7 months ago
    This is pathetic. I am a lifelong and enthusiatic Democrat but I will be voting GREEN until I get my rights.

    NO GAY RIGHTS, NO GAY DOLLARS
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    UNSUBSCRIBE to all Dem/DNC/Obama fundraising requests by email. Let them know why you are leaving their fold.
  • Patrick ONeill · 7 months ago
    Fortune 500 companies like Microsoft and GM have had more equitable domestic partner benefits for years.

    THere is a reason that "federal law" doesn't allow equitable treatment and that reason is named DOMA

    Which Obama has decided to support (unlike Schwarzenegger who today called Prop 8 unconstitutional).

    Your Jedi Mind Tricks do not work on us, Obama-won
  • HereinDC · 7 months ago
    Airlines...
    Banks...
  • John · 7 months ago
    So, basically, we're having a "dog and pony show" because the president wants a repeat performance of what the State Department had already announced last week. There's nothing new in this press release. And the last paragraph merely reiterates an executive order that has been in place for years. Gee, thanks for the reminder, sir.
  • offspring · 7 months ago
    yea the dog has mainge the pony is lame
  • IamSmartypants · 7 months ago
    NPR just covered the story. Daniel Zwerdling did a short piece as part of the 1pm EDT news update. He referred to it as a presidential memorandum that the White House hopes will 'placate' gay rights activists. He mentioned a couple of rights, including language training, and said the president 'may expand these rights in the future'.
  • Blueflash · 7 months ago
    Language training? Like all aliens from a distant planet gays arrive here with a complete mastery of English.
  • HereinDC · 7 months ago
    He should of done this the beginning of June when he made that announcement about Pride month.

    THAT would of been the time to make this statement.

    This just looks like desperation.
  • Indigo · 7 months ago
    The What House! You got that right. It's where the Big Kahuna hangs out.
  • Soon-to-be-former-Dem · 7 months ago
    It seems, ironically, that President Obama feels that we gays and lesbians are really only 3/5ths of a person.
  • Todd · 7 months ago
    I was reading Jane Mayer’s article on Panetta and the CIA in the current issue of the NEW YORKER.

    In discussing the idea of a truth commission on detainee treatment, Obama and Panetta’s instincts were initially to set up such a commission. However, the political staff walked it back. This quote really stood out for me: “Obama’s political advisors dread any issue that could trigger a culture war and diminish his support among independent voters.”

    I think this statement is very enlightening as to his cautious and cowardly approach to a multitude of issues, LGBT rights included.
  • David in Arizona · 7 months ago
    This is supppose to placate teh gay? It just makes me more pissed off. I was of a mind to watch the televised event this afternoon but will work in the garden instead. That will save me the expense of replacing my TV after drop-kicking it off the stand. Wait! I can afford to replace it now that I've cut off the DNC money spigot
  • Mike in Texas · 7 months ago
    I received an e-mail from Obama this morning, as I supposed lots of readers here did. He was asking for money in the context of health care reform ... for the benefits he's not giving to GLBT federal employees. Absolutely amazing.

    Are there any people in the administration who know anything at all about American GLBT people? This is the most pathetic period of bouncing off walls I've ever seen. And believe me, I though Dubya was as pathetic as they come. I was wrong about that.

    If Obama were a normal person, (which I doubt), this would be one of the most embarrassing moment of his life. But I expect to see his little smirk all through this.

    He is living proof that homophobia short-circuits the part of the brain responsible for rationality.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    Mike in Texas

    Now you need to followup. Go to the UNSUBSCRIBE section on the email you received. CLICK IT! Done. Feel better?
  • Mike in Texas · 7 months ago
    Here's my unsubscribe message.

    You people either have enormous gall or are complete idiots to send this fundraising appeal out in the context of health insurance reform on the day Obama announces his little table scrap to GLBT Americans consisting of a couple of federal employee job benefits to unmarried couples WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE.

    I have to wonder just who is advising the Democratic party and the administration on equal rights issues. You're all bouncing off walls making utter fools of yourselves.

    But it just gives American GLBT people living proof of what we've known all along. Homophobia short-circuits the part of the brain responsible for rationality.
  • caphillprof · 7 months ago
    They ask for money. Then you reply explaining why you won't be giving them one red cent until they start performing on your behalf--passing ENDA, repealing DADT, repealing DOMA, passing nationwide gay marriage, etc.-- and then about 12 hours later, you get a form email saying thanks for responding, we didn't read it, we don't have any time for you, we don't care what you think or how you feel, but please send more money. Beyond pathetic.
  • dcmsufan · 7 months ago
    Pathetic.

    Anyone feel better about him now?
  • Kevin J-M · 7 months ago
    Obama is completely satisfied with treating gays as second-class citizens. This presidential memorandum stinks--John rightly references its many omissions and limitations.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    Since the federal government does not have a legal relationship to the term "domestic partner" how can they assign rights to this group. Some states have designations like "domestic partner", but under DOMA the fed govt cannot recognize this relationship. Perhaps the benefit is only going to apply to those who are in state run "domestic partnership" registries. Do married same-sex couples not qualify because they are not "domestic partners" but legally married spouses? Boy this is a legal nightmare, or a goldmine if you are a GLBT civil rights lawyer.
  • David in Arizona · 7 months ago
    I just reread that memorandum release. "Long-Term" health care? As in nursing home, bed pan benefits? No other health care benefits in the offing? Reminds me of the Rhode Island domestic partner legislation which forbids any same-sex equality other than allowing your partner to remove your cold, dead carcass from the morgue. Nice, very nice.
  • stephanie · 7 months ago
    Civil Disobedience
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Civil Disobedience? In America? Puhleeze. The closest you'll get to that is a fight for the newest I Phone at your local AT&T Store.
  • KerrynowCampau · 7 months ago
    Bwaaahaaahaa. Ain't that the truth. Maybe I will start a protest by advertising it as "American Idol Tryouts Here"
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Try it. Then ask. "Who is Barack Obama?" Chances are you get maybe 50% correct responses.
  • stephanie · 7 months ago
    I think people who are available in the DC area should shadow Obama like white on rice. Yell questions at him as often as possible. Become an irritant.
  • fool me once... · 7 months ago
    We're finally being heard by those in power, as evidenced by the administrations lame attempt to placate us.

    To make our voices even louder, those of you with supportive families and straight friends, please ask them to help us. Ask them to contact their representatives, and the White House, to show it isn't just our "10 %" they will be losing financial support and votes from.

    We have more strength when the power elite sees that it isn't just us, but also millions of other Americans who believe in civil rights for all, who will withhold money and votes to support us.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    withholding dollars makes sense, but they know full well that threatening them with vote loss is just not going to happen. You will vote . . . republican? yeah, right. Third party? That would be for whom?
  • fool me once... · 7 months ago
    That's just what the Dems count on. We will never vote against them.

    Voting for a party that does nothing for us, but gives great lip-service is self defeating behavior. The only thing they will actually "get" is seeing the third party, and progressive vote actually increase.

    Sorry, but supporting them because they are not as bad as the Repubs is not acceptable anymore. They stab us in the back while smiling in our faces, so they are better than those who are up front about their feelings about us. Right!
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    One year ago, that's what was being said about Republicans! HELLO!
  • KerrynowCampau · 7 months ago
    "The only thing they will actually "get" is seeing the third party, and progressive vote actually increase."
    Perhaps, but what happens in the meantime...
    That permanent Repub majority that Rove always dreamed about...
    Better to focus on pressuring the Dems
  • Jim Olson · 7 months ago
    I just went to city hall and changed my voter registration from Democrat to Independent. The lady in the office asked me what was going on...there had been more people in yesterday and today doing the same thing than she has seen all year. This all gets logged with the DNC, and while it might take a few days for the numbers to trickle in to their offices, it will certainly make the DNC sit up and take notice.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Good for you. However, not all states have such designations/voter registrations. We don't "declare" our party. We just vote however we want in a primary or general election.
  • timncguy · 7 months ago
    the tiny little list of possible benefits allowed to a few federal employees is embarassing.

    This had better come along with a smack down of DOJ for the brief written by an anti-gay mormon homophobe and a REAL action plan for Obama's transition into FIERCE ADVOCATE. There had better be a call to action to the congress to get up off their collective ass and pass some legislation that the vast majority ofthe country is in favor of. NOW.
  • mirth · 7 months ago
    "The Presidential Memorandum to be signed today will request that the Director of OPM and the Secretary of State act to extend to same-sex partners of federal employees the benefits they have identified."


    Let's not be so quick to think Hillary did more than beat Obama to the announcement. In light of it, State's earlier declaration seems to me to be more of her Primary self-aggrandizement.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Are we still on that subject?
  • pjm · 7 months ago
    It's time to remind this administration that a second term is not guranteed. If you can't keep your promises, you don't get my vote. There seems to be this assumption that a second term is already in the cards. Not any more. While I can't imagine how much worse it would have been under McCain/Palin, had I known Obama was going to be all talk (as Hillary had warned) I would have never given him the time I did for this election. We need better candidates, more choices and a REAL voice in our government and elected officials. The DEMS have become nothing more than a disappointment and at this point I venture to say an embarassment. They all figure that they have our vote, considering the alternative is self-loathing Republicanism. Maybe it's time to get some real progessives in office, and use our voting power to get those individuals elected. Not because they are a lesser evil than the Republican alternatives, but because they might actually care about us as American citizens.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    Don't forget "honest" candidates, not just better, or more. Seems Obama is not as honest (or honorable) as we had been led to believe.
  • offspring · 7 months ago
    ps, this all is temporary he leaves the policy if at all it is past will leave
  • Jim · 7 months ago
    We can bring our partners to the annual picnic and the xmas party. Probably can take sick leave while partner is in hospital or bereavement leave when they die.
  • bbock · 7 months ago
    Inadequate. Incompetent. Insulting.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Until there is a viable third party option, the GLBT community will be the ping-pong ball.
  • Diogenes · 7 months ago
    Then make your own option, dammit. You can't find a candidate who will promise immediate end to DADT and fight first for full equality? They don't have to win a damn thing, they just have to collect GBLT votes in one place to demonstrate that the community and it's families and friends have had enough and aren't afraid to act.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    That is entirely possible, isn't it?

    Now, get a grip.
  • Diogenes · 7 months ago
    Oh no, you're right, it's impossible. It's not like there's any new-fangled way to coordinate an effort for a protest vote. Too bad there isn't some kind of easy-to-use peer-to-peer communication network thing, like some kind of system that lets people of like interests join forces. If there was, I would call it a "blog". I don't know why, it just sounds right, ya know?
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    I agreed and said IT IS POSSIBLE.

    OTR?
  • Jim Olson · 7 months ago
    Too little, too late.

    I'm sorry, but this whole debacle is making the Obama Administration look like Amateur Hour.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    and its not like they weren't warned. Our community kept trying to shake them and rattle them by asking for a crumb to let us know they were still our "Fierce Advocate." What we got was a big ol' knife in the back. Now they want to throw a few crumbs. Nope... they had plenty of chances to not act like a bunch of idiot homophobes.
  • offspring · 7 months ago
    fucking insult
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Where is the Human Rights Campaign in all of this???

    Still supporting the Obama/Dem gay rights agenda.

    Still sending money to them, too?????
  • Greg · 7 months ago
    I believe HRC has pulled out the DNC fundraiser.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Yes, you are correct. I just read that on Daily Kos.
  • mark · 7 months ago
    I made this simple Primer so the Obama's administration can better understand the concept of FIERCE

    http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-8/1210139/f...
  • rickwla · 7 months ago
    I just finished calling my two Senators (Boxer and Feinstein). I called their DC office because I wanted to make sure I got to those closest to her. Sadly, neither one of their offices was even aware of the DOMA brief and the ensuing controversy, nor the fury among the community.

    I told both of the people I spoke with that I was shocked that as senators from CA their office has not even heard of this issue since it broke last week. I even pointed them to Americablog if they were so inclined to inform themselves.

    I asked both of them to take a leadership role in responding to the outrage and to issue public statements.

    I also called my Rep. Jane Harman in DC. Her office was aware of the situation as was very supportive. I asked them to issue a public statement and said that we need leadership from the Democrats because we have turned off our ATM machine until they take meaningful action.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    No, they are aware... trust me... they are ALL aware by now. Keep calling and let them know this memorandum is not enough. Not enough by HALF!
  • bbock · 7 months ago
    Some one needs to tell President Obama that he is not King Solomon. This baby cannot be split. Offering us this watered-down, and to most gays and lesbians, meaningless memo in lieu of an apology and actual reform is insulting.
  • AL · 7 months ago
    Just for the record: I oppose splitting babies.
  • TrappedinaRedState · 7 months ago
    I have to agree - this is totally insulting. We cannot let them get away with defending DOMA with such vitrol and then throw us scraps like this ridiculous memo and it's miniscule short term benefits to buy us off.

    Withholding our financial support is a start. Active campaigning against Democrats unwilling to support our community is next. When Dick Cheney is more progressive on same-sex marriage than Barack Obama the Democrats have a problem.

    We can do this - look at how much John and Joe have accomplished already! The Democrats want our money - they need our support. There must be real action on our communities behalf in order to receive it.

    "Until you do right by me, everything you even think about gonna fail" is a great line from one of my favorite movies. We need to make this a reality for the Democrats.
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    No more wait and see. This little memorandum PROVES just how insignificant we are to them. No more, "They really love us!" crap... Its over.
  • TrappedinaRedState · 7 months ago
    Agreed! This calls for immediate action. No more funds to the DNC or Democratic candidates UNLESS they show immediate unconditional support for us.

    Call the DNC and let them know you are pissed and aren't going to take it any more. 877-336-7200 Tell them you demand that the defense of DOMA in California be withdrawn and the person who wrote it fired. And let them know you'll be working against them until it is.

    That ought to strike terror in the hearts of any rational person there...
  • Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 7 months ago
    medical evacuation from posts abroad

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    besides saying nothing about regular insurance coverage... better make sure your partner is sick when the need to evacuate from a foreign country (revolution? war?) becomes an imperitive... otherwise, they'll still only evacuate the dog.

    at least, that's what I'm reading from this "wonderful" memorandum. /snark
  • judybrowni · 7 months ago
    What a good idea, down the thread:

    I called the DNC and told them I'm a lifelong Democrat, from four generations of Democrats and that today I'd be switching my registration to Independent.

    Both for the continued inaction of gay rights, the disgusting action of the defense of DOMA, and the backpedalling on the public option on Healthcare.

    "I'll become a Democrat again when Democratic politician actually serve their constituents."

    PHONE NUMBER FOR THE DNC: 877-336-7200
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    I just spoke to a nice lady there and she urged us to call 877-336-7200 and let them know this is not enough. She said they respond to GROUPS calling.

    877-336-7200

    I let them know I was considering resigning from the party, and I will NOT give them one more dime or help the party in any way until we see some changes. I also said I read the "Fact Sheet" issued from the White House on this memorandum and it is NOT ENOUGH.

    Call now!
  • offspring · 7 months ago
    just called thanks
  • cowboyneok · 7 months ago
    and NOT another dime to any organization who goes to that A-lister fundraiser. Treat any A-lister LGBT person who goes as a PARIAH. We've got to start playing hardball, obviously.
  • CaenAshlar · 7 months ago
    We should demand that Obama withdraw his Dept. of Justice brief (or whatever its called) on DOMA. DEMAND.
  • TrueBleuCA · 7 months ago
    AND Fire the bastards who wrote it!
  • offspring · 7 months ago
    i dont care about this joke this thing i equate with, things such as, hey we let the blacks play baseball what else do they want, or we let women wear dress's even on sundays what else do they want, crap, I will not give a dime till all have all period.
  • whomod · 7 months ago
    The irony of all this (several pages of almost nothing but this issue?) is that all this anger towards Obama pretty much guarantees he'll be inoculated against charges from conservatives that he 'panders to the left' or that he's 'a left wing radical'.

    The personal irony for me is that whenever John happens to mention something personal he's against economics/tax wise, a lot of people here jump all over him for being a closet selfish Republican who can only see his own immediate self interest.

    Now don't get me wrong, I think this is a crap turn of events myself . However, I myself think that health care *koff* FOR EVERYONE and with choice between public and private care as well as sweeping economic reform far far outweighs this issue right now. Only because it affects EVERY-SINGLE-AMERICAN, not just one particular group. If there is any issue that has urgency and needs everyone to mobilize, health care is it.

    I don't think Obama is betraying anyone actually. I just think he's being a politician and prioritizing things (as well as manipulating friends and foes alike) on HIS TIMETABLE, not the gay communities. And all this gay anger as I said, only helps him appear more moderate with right tilting people and with moderates.

    So yeah, you can say that the gay community is being played. But as I said, it's only because of this "hey ho we won't go" "me first" attitude that pervades this board and some of the more vocal in the community (not just John) that makes it ripe for being used as political inoculation.

    I myself think that the Obama agenda has gay issues and full equality in mind. Just not before issues that affect everyone, and not just gays. Issues such as health care, financial reform, some judgeships, and hopefully some accountabilty for the Bush era.

    And if full gay equality comes at year 3 or year 7 when the right can't use this community as a wedge culture war issue AS IT ALWAYS QUITE EFFECTIVELY DOES DURING ELECTIONS with the help of some of the gay communities more TV news ready, flamboyant cross dressing, speedo wearing parade float writhing members. These images always appear during election season and are ALWAYS used to help to portray the gay community as some fringe oddity and not in any way within the parameters of mainstream and married America. They certainly don't help the cause of gay rights in any way and just seem to be a throwback to the wider sexual revolution of the 1970's. And yes, it hurts the cause of gay rights and equality more than anything else Obama may or may not do.

    So even if the like clockwork 4 year season of gay protest succeeds in marginalizing the Democratic party (and Obama) to the centrists and to right tilting Americans as it's done in the past, at least gays (and everyone else) might have affordable health care by then.

    And then, just like the schizophrenic nature of this board and some of the community here, depending on what Obama did or didn't do in any given thread, he'll jump from being the phony we won't support anymore to the greatest hero of all time.

    I just don't believe in giving up and giving in to cynicism and histrionics. Which is the difference between 'I want to give Obama a piece of my mind' to 'I don't support Obama and The Democrats anymore' as I've read too much of here.
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    Agree, except you miss the hypocrisy. This administation was going to "change" Washington. Remember the "Change You Can Believe In"?

    Nothing has changed. You describe it best. The right will not be able to label him as pandering to us. He gives us nothing and he knows it.

    We are shit on his shoes.
  • whomod · 7 months ago
    I don't think change comes about instantly and suddenly just because Obama is in office now. The way I've seen his first months is that it's one or two issues at a time. Once they're out of the way, it's another issue or two. And each one not only has to deal with the expected gOP opposition, but you have to deal with the cowardly or bought off Democrats as well.

    I still harken back to Clinton and "Don't ask, Don't tell" being used against him to seat Gingrich and stymie everything else Clinton was trying to accomplish.. like health care reform. So to me at least, it makes sense if Obama is going to do Clinton in reverse and move systematically and slowly as well as put gay equality to the side ..for now..
  • devlzadvocate · 7 months ago
    So, human rights can be delayed due to a busy schedule or postponed for a more convenient or politically opportune time?
  • nustudoon · 7 months ago
    My (french) partner commented on how we're living in a democratic dictatorship with our two party system. I always felt I needed to vote, but now I'm starting to see the truth in his statement. Six years of total Republican rule or the now current spineless-do-nothing Democratic rule, seems we still get screwed in the end.

    I've been registered Independent but have been voting Democratic for several years now due to my disgust with the incompetent Republican era, but now I'll feel just fine voting third party again.