DISQUS

BorninUSA · 1 year ago

Poor Johnny. Whenever anyone says anything that hurts his feelings he goes on television with that sad, sad long face and in his quiet voice says "nobody should say that about him." What a lyin' sack of s**t! He knows what his military record was and thinks we don't know. Whoever hung the "hero" title on him didn't know any better. But then maybe McShame gave himself the title. The definition of hero is not McShame.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

Barack has been calling McBush hero since day 1. W.r.t. the Press, if you haven't noticed, we don't have one. What we have is Fascist Corporate News - staffed by highly paid whores. This is why Obama's strategy is to suck up to the GOP - to assure them that they are safe, and no will pay for the crimes committed during the Bush regime, etc, and no worries - Obama will treat the 25% of insane Americans that are the hard right as if they represent 50% of the country. Out of 300,000,000 Americans the best we can do is a 75 year old male slut, a washed up lady who's ego is so big she borders on megalomania, and a young black man who lacks a backbone as well as courage and integrity. Same ol'e s***, different decade.

mangoes · 1 year ago

John McCain's POW status does NOT make him any more special than anyone else who signed up for service. It could have happened to any serviceman and it's not like he volunteered specifically to be tortured for his country. It's sad for him that he got captured and was treated badly for so long but that's it. Just the fact that he won't even stand up against the U.S. torturing others proves that he has no honor. What's it take?

Also, I would worry ALOT about what that time did to him mentally. Not good.

mangoes · 1 year ago

AND, a REAL patriot would not accept FULL DISABILITY PAYMENTS when he has millions of dollars and 9 houses of his own. Dems should lable him as the "disabled candidate". I mean, either you ARE or you are NOT.

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

"That’s not a very high bar for sophistication. But right now it’s one the press isn’t capable of clearing."

The Columbia Journalism Review is insulting the media, but not in the way they intended to insult the media.

MSM is EXTREMELY capable of understanding and reporting on what Clark said AND what he meant. They're just unwilling. Because then they might not get any more free barbeque in Air Force Straight Talk.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

McCain's free ride. You ever wonder why no one brings up the question of his patriotism. He has wartime documents yet to be de-classified. The man was privileged and a screw up...graduating fourth from the bottom of his class.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

lost_nacf_gop · 1 year ago

Helloo "librul" media? Anyone remember "the Dukester?" You know, the guy who got 8 terms in Congress - before he got 5 years in Fed custody - for trading off his 'he-man-fighter-pilot-war-hero' gravitas? It is one element of someone's credentials or qualifications, but it ain't the be all/end all of why someone's a great candidate, especially when you're constantly talking about 30 year old experience like it happened last week. That's the point Wesley Clark was making.

cagefreebrown · 1 year ago

I think there's a reason that all those mainstream guys and gals are making like Donald Sutherland at the end of the 'Body Snatchers' remake. McCain is out of bounds! it's true! how many pundits have you heard say, straight up, that McCain's "experience" goes without question.

Clark walked into Unca Bob's little trap but I'm glad he did. McCain doesn't freaking DESERVE to be president and that's the general consensus, in so many words, from all these people who are suddenly besides himself.

Camp McCain is taking the low road - in no uncertain terms. they are calling Obama incapable of being trusted and of almost certainly enabling TERRORIST ATTACKS and those people are acting like they are taking the high road - that the mere act of suggesting that being a P.O.W. DOESN"T somehow mean McCain deserves to be President.

give them the luxury of context at our peril. it's a luxury they need and have come to expect.

GrMtGirl · 1 year ago

Chances are had his daddy not been an Admiral McCain would not have been celebrated as a "War Hero". Many men were held captive as prisoners of war in Vietnam . . . not all got his treatment !

Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago

Too true! Not all of them collaborated with the enemy as Insane McCain did! But Dadfdy seemed to get him out of that fix too! Kind of makes one wonder if we need to investigate Admiral McCain. How did he have time for doing his own job when he was spennding so much time to clean up Jonnny's messes?

Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago

The American people will have what they deserve. There will be no denying that. It doesn't matter anymore.

In my extreme humbleness.

ccokz · 1 year ago

a religion for Junkies and Whores
Who wants to convert to christianity in Iran, is rated by the regime in Teheran as a security threat.The news agency "Farsnews" that is close to the military , published a 4-parted series about the rising threat thru Christian communities. Because it was published along with legislation that rates breaking away from Islam (apostasy) as a crime and which triggers the death penalty for male beings and for women it triggers punishment with life-long prison, such propaganda could be the signal for total prosecution of christianity.

http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2008/07/religion-fo...

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

That's too bad--there's nowhere for Christians to go in the Mideast anymore.

Iraq had one of the more tolerated Christian communities in the Mideast, until Bush invaded and got them all killed.

smithkp · 1 year ago

I must have missed the genocide of Christians in the mid-east as retribution for the invasion of Iraq. Also, heard of the UAE? How about Israel? Egypt? All great places to visit in the middle east- Christians welcome.

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

That’s not a very high bar for sophistication. But right now it’s one the press isn’t capable of clearing.

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Obama seems to have trouble clearing it too.

Arghh.

SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago

everybody limbo!

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

How low can you go?!

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

Why the frustration?
You knew this was coming form the start.
Don't lie to yourself.
Bill Clinton was the first Black President.
Oboma will be the first Black Clinton.

blackwolf · 1 year ago

It's all in your mind. Bill Clinton has always been lilly-white. He proved that during the primaries. Get ready to bow down to your next president.

Up to now you've been kissin' white ass, now it's time to kiss some black ass. You can start with mine:)

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

I bow to no man but one.
The son of Man!

Bush_Bites · 1 year ago

Ah well.

I just want a president that avoids unnecessary wars and balances the budget without throwing orphans and widows out into the street.

Obama doesn't fill me with confidence on the latter but McCain's even worse.

As for the former, Obama is certainly better than McCrazy.

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

Now that he has the money to make it he dose not need you anymore.
He has the Democrats like a whormonger husband.
Keep the wife in place with the money he makes and tell her it is all OK as long as you don't ask about my trips out of town, I wont tell you about my whores in every city I visit.
However better a whormonger than a warmonger right?

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

put up or shut up will ya??

proof of whoremongering would be nice.

otherwise? STFU asshole.

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

See my reply to Polly.
And I will speak in decent to the Noe-Progressive movement until the day I hear your Progressive Thought Police knocking down my door the take me away to the Ministry of Love.

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

dose = DOES
whormonger = WHORE MONGER
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Now what was it you wanted to say about your whores? I don't think I have ever seen anyone brag online (at least in here) about their "whores". Oh I see you are trying to be cute in suggesting that it is Obama who has girlfriends in all of the cities he visits.

How totally vulgar, if you can't debate policy, you resort to anything to do with illicit sex...

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

I am and was making a comment about the use of the DNC and Oboma lovers. As soon as he has your money, and your vote for the nomination he turns his back on everything he has said.
He will vote in favor of the Telcoms.
He will not pull the troops from Iraq.
He is just Hillery Clinton in a Black mans body.
Now that he has his nomination all cleaned up he is going to do the same thing all whore mongering husbands do.
You will still vote for him.
I bet even Glasses Guy will still hold his nose and vote for him rather than doing a write in for Edwards as he has said.
You are just going to get used the same way my mom was for 20 years before he left us for somebody younger.
I was making an analogy about the abuse of trust.
something I have plenty of understanding in.
I don't know if Big Love is doing the same thing that Bill Clinton did.
I could care less if he dose or dose not. This is not about his personal life or were he puts his dick.
He has used you.
You sent him money thinking he is going to do what he has said he would do... much like a woman who gives a man her love and trust...
then he still hits the whore houses when he is out of town at conventions.
Or in Obomas case.
Faith Based politics.
FISA Bill.
just to name two things.
I was NOT being literal on this matter.
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Now that he has the money to make it he dose not need you anymore.
He has the Democrats like a whore monger husband.
Maybe you forgot to read that part of the post so you did not understand how it is an analogy about policy that relates to things I remember form my childhood.
I should have said he is treating his supporters like a whore mongering husband. It would have been more apt...
Sorry for your misunderstanding but not for the meaning of the post!

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

here here!


well... not without kneepads on anyway.

wait a minute, what were we talking about again??

slappymagoo · 1 year ago

Hangtown Danile, that wasn't the Son of Man you were bowing to. Another 10 dollars, wasted.

SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago

walk like a man
talk like a man

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

Singing Troll, how nice to "see" you! Have you been well?

SINGING_TROLL · 1 year ago

Polly!
Hey!

Been working like a demon.
How about yourself?

Miss you.

Milli · 1 year ago

sad

RandyH · 1 year ago

Just now on MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell just quoted John as part of a Democratic conspiracy to attack McCain's military service while interviewing Wesley Clark. And of course she followed that up with a MoveOn.org ad and didn't give Clark a chance to respond to the "conspiracy" argument.

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

Mrs. Greenspan's still stricken post Timmah...I mean she found Alan sexy and Sunday's Meat Press watchable, afterall.
The deep-fried banana, butter, bacon and cheese sandwiches in the MeetThePress green room haven't tasted the same (sniff!!!!)...

Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago

Andrea needs to be gassed! One more face lift and whatever tits she has will be under her chin. One of MSNBC many liabilities they would well be rid of and the sooner the better.

Indigo · 1 year ago

I like Wesley Clark. I trust Wesley Clark. That puts him at a distinct disadvantage because the ones I like and trust are only rarely appointed to public office and often shot down by sniper fire from the reich.

woodroad34 · 1 year ago

I'm glad you said this. I've been watching and hearing, ad nauseum, how Clark had said this or that. No, what he said -- plain as the nose on anyone's face -- that combat experience doesn't necessarily make a good president. And given that ol' Fart was "abused" and possibly suffered severe psychological damage -- which is obivious from his tantrums and emotional outbursts--I'd say it's more of a detraction than an asset to be a POW (which doesn't automatically make one a "hero", either). BTW, where's the press when Bush was saying the same thing about this blathering old Fart when he was annointed the Little Prince?

Rob Mule · 1 year ago

the press isn’t capable

But, on the bright side, offers round the clock cable proof of professional incapacity through an unchanging assortment of usual suspects...

michaelt · 1 year ago

Happy Canada Day.

Hangtown Danile · 1 year ago

I love there national Anthem
"Oh Canada my home and native land..."
Hard to sing I understand without music.

kevinbgoode · 1 year ago

This is where I get pissed off at the Dems. The proper response should be:

The McCain campaign is well aware that issues surrounding his military service and that experience as qualification for commander-in-chief were first brought up by Republicans during the 2000 primary campaign in South Carolina. It is assumed that Republicans chose George Bush in that election over McCain's candidacy partially because of those questions - and neither he nor his campaign should be surprised that the same questions raised by Republicans in 2000 about using his POW and military service status as qualification for the presidency would resurface today.

regmaxi · 1 year ago

BINGO ...

jr · 1 year ago

"we love being daddy's little girl"-cable news

Rufus · 1 year ago

Let's face it. With our corporate media the fix is in -- McCain is not to be touched.

Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago

Who would want to touch him? He is a crook, a liar, and a moral leper!

moreleesafer · 1 year ago

if there is anyone qualified to question McCombover's military record, it would be the General. Not that he did that, in fact he praised it.
the rupubs and their mock outrage...oy vey

Polly_Tics · 1 year ago

John,

I'm not sure you are aware of this, but MSNBC showed your blog post about Wesley Clark during an interview with Clark this morning with Andrea Mitchell interviewing. They cited your post as "evidence" that Clark (and Obama) were in cahoots with trying to push new "Talking Points".

Andrea Mitchel was on sometime around 9-11 PM PDT

TheOriginalLiz · 1 year ago

The press isn't interested in getting the story straight. They are interested in assuring the success of the candidate chosen by their corporate masters.

red_dwarf · 1 year ago

How simple, the truth.

BorninUSA · 1 year ago

Hey, if Rush gets it anyone should be able to get it. Anyway even if Clark had been questioning McCain's record why isn't that OK? It was OK for Bush to disclaim McCain in 2000, it was alright for Bush to send the swift-boaters after Kerry in 2004. Now all of a sudden when McCain is on the train headed for a wreck he gets all defensive of his record. So shut up McCain and take your lumps. You know as well as anyone or more than most what your record is so quit trying to make us think it is honorable. And by the way....you are no hero.

Soundboy_jeff_meanie · 1 year ago

what really pisses me off is...

mccain (repug dejour) can say something ON VIDEOTAPE and say the complete opposite a month or years later... and the press misses it.

but if mccain's campaign takes one part of a sentence from A VIDEOTAPE, no one in the press even looks at the videotape to see exactly what was said.

they listen to mccain when he wants them to... and ignore everything he doesn't want them to pay attention to.

how is this fair??

you know, if I recorded someone reading the ten comandments... I'm sure I could hack out one sentence in their reading that would make them look awful.

its called twisting the truth. thank you kkkarl rove for your contribution to MSM tactics.

.

SeekTheTruth · 1 year ago

Gen. Clark attempted to make a nuanced point in a sound-byte world that serves an ignorant electorate.

Of COURSE the Reps are going to knock it out of the park..

It was a poorly constructed comment and did no good to either side, but especially hurt the Dems.

Obama cleaned it up in Missouri.

Move on.

LanceThruster · 1 year ago

On a related point, there was a study that showed that fighter pilots who transitioned to civilian aviation and became airline pilots tended to work less well as a team with their crew. Their characteristics were to observe a strict pecking order and not value input from other crew members. As I remember form the study (it was featured on PBS's "Nova", I think), these pilots were involved in higher accident rates and near misses, due to their reluctance to effectively delegate authority and trust the competence of their fellow crew members.

Sure sounds like more of the same arrogance to me.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

I have a question. The media have been breathlessly concerned about General Wesley Clark and his NON-attack on Mr. McGoo's service record. Where was all that hyper concern and non-stop coverage of this???

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://q...

That is what I thought. There was NONE when Kerry's service record was being attacked. The media MOSTLY just yucked it up!

SeekTheTruth · 1 year ago

Yeah, we already know this. So unless you are going to complain to someone outside our little group, what is the point of whining about it here?

Move on. Let's be proactive instead of just reacting to all the world's great inequities.

cowboyneok · 1 year ago

The point is this isn't a "little group" we whine to. I've heard mainstream media mention things they have read on Americablog and the comments section, so I'd appreciate you being a little less snarky about what I've written.

I've even had comments I've made picked up by major media after John posted it, so you really didn't make a point by your criticism. If you don't believe one of my comments was used and quoted by the mainstream media, I'll be happy to provide a link. Then again, here it is.

"our little group" ? I don't think so.

http://archive.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006...

Mikki --SE Pennsylvania · 1 year ago

Insane McCain can not allow any questioning of his carefully retooled history as "war-hero" and "POW." It can not sustain any direct attacks because it is a false house of cards. General Clark's comments were correct, to the point, and if anything way too mild. The MSM have been wooed by McCain for too long and at great cost , and it would appear successfully de-fanged to their great discredit to tell the whole truth about Insane McCain. McCain was already a playboy before he was graduated 5th FROM THE BOTTOM of his Annapolis class. The plane he was shot down in was the fifth Navy plane he wrecked. He COLLABORATED WITH THE ENEMY IN NORTH VIETNAM. Morally, across his entire existence he appear to have been BANKRUPT and possibly even more of aa whoremonger than Bill Clinton. HIs political career, which shows him to have been sucking on the public tit, is littered with deals and scrapes such as the Keating scandal; he doesn't seem to know anyone who has not recently been a lobbyist with questionable dealings. His campaign people are so desparate that they have dreged up Swiftboat Slime to help them spread their lies. Anyone who was awake during the last election would know that ANY connection with these liars is the kiss of death to a decent person's campaign; but there you have it Insane McCain IS NOT A DECENT PERSON; McCAIN IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR; HE IS NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT. He has only been kept in Arizona office by dint of shady connections, influence and favor peddling, and of course the inherited money of his trashy drug-addict thief of a second wife with who he originally had an adulterous affair. He is incompetent and a moral leper and possibly the only person who could be A WORSE PRESIDENT THAN GEORGE W. BUSH!

CitizenVA · 1 year ago

This was in today's Denver Post:

McCain a Traior? - By Leonard Pitts Jr. The Miami Herald

"I have no idea when reverence fled these shores. That it did, however, seems obvious. What else can you conclude when the service of military men becomes a routine object of mockery and misinformation in the name of politics? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you John McCain: traitor.

In most quarters, of course, the senator is a war hero, having survived over five years of beatings, solitary confinement and deprivation in a Vietnamese prison camp, even refusing an offer of early release because it meant leaving fellow prisoners behind.

But John Aravosis, who blogs on Americablog.com accused McCain of "disloyalty" because at one point, his captors tortured him into reading a propaganda statement. I submit that John Aravosis would read a statement denouncing his own mother if you beat him long enough. Most of us would. That Aravosis has done precisely that is bizarre, shameful and crude -- but not unprecedented.

Still it strikes me as vescerally wrong, offensive at the mitochondrial level, to trivialize, demean or diminish, particulary for political gain, a man's service and sacrifice on behalf of his country."


Just thought that John ought to be aware of this!

Thanks,
CVA

gunslingerbanker · 1 year ago

Whats really dumb is not what Gen. Clark said, but his actions representing the Obama campaig (who's run a brilliant strategy to date). Why on Earth would Obama surrogates take on McCain in an area where he is both respected and admired by the American people?!?!? There's plenty to attack him on policy merits & beliefs, if you're a die-hard Dem! Then again, I suggest Dr. Dean and the DNC continue attacking McCain's military service and years spent in Hanoi. This will be a guaranteed tactic for ensuring the AZ Senator reaches the White House in '08.

P.S. Trying to "swift boat" McCain, as revenge for Kerry 2004 is futile. Kerry set himself up for failure, through his anti-war actions, upon returning from Vietnam and his actions didn't play well in the Heartland. Good luck trying to drum-up parallel comparisons from John McCain!!