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AMERICAblog: When Krugman gets scared, I get nervous

  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    Just maybe this attitude will cross the pond....

    "We are looking to work through problems with our customers on a case-by-case basis. Where appropriate, we will offer payment holidays, reduced monthly repayments and conversion to interest-only mortgages," said Jemma Rundle, a spokeswoman for Northern Rock. In addition, Rock debt advisers will call people who are in arrears to see what extra help can be offered, rather than simply writing letters to them. This follows the spirit of a new mortgage-industry protocol which comes into force on Wednesday, setting better standards for how homeowners facing repossession should be treated by lenders.

    It is believed that the Rock management could be feeling the political heat after a barrage of negative headlines over its attitude to people facing repossession. Despite Treasury ministers insisting that the Government only has an "arm's length" relationship with the Rock, the bank's new chief executive, Gary Hoffman, may be keen to stop the negative publicity and so please his new political masters.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news...
  • Older_Wiser · 1 year ago
    John, I've been nervous for at least 3 years...now, I'm scared shitless.

    My son helped lay tile in 2 Wachovia (you know, almost bankrupt until bought by Wells Fargo) branches in the last week, replacing carpet with expensive brick-style stuff...and they're still on track with their new high rise headquarters in Charlotte. How much longer he'll be employed is questionable, even though Charlotte is supposed to be a "boom town." It has its share of foreclosures, though, and I saw a new neighborhood just built a couple of years ago there that already has houses boarded up. Only the well off are surviving in that town since emergency aid applications have risen 30% and a lot of those people were regularly employed until recently.
  • UncleGlenny · 1 year ago
    I am also scared shitless. I'm on disability and living on perhaps 1/3 of what used to be my take-home pay six years ago, with no cash reserve.

    My father, who I'm not close to, could still be counted on to be my financial safety net of last resort. Guess who bought a house in Sarasota, Florida, in January? This is the third time he's moved in 10 years. He said it was such a deal. Maybe; it needed some work and he was able to purchase to do that before moving out of his other place. But I'm sure what's left of his retirement money is really in the tank.

    In the early speculation on the bailout, the idea was floated of making retirement funds more easily available. Anyone know? That would be a joke; I'm sure what I have is surely in the tank, and have been afraid to look..

    About the only consolation I can take is that my social security check is bigger than Jon McCains's.. Nyah, nyah! Of course, I don't have Cindy...
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    The Showa Emperor is said to have announced Japan's surrender in a radio address to the public at the end of the Pacific War with words to the effect that "We must now learn to live with the unacceptable."
  • Patrick_Bateman · 1 year ago
    Now aren't you happy you didn't sell your GI Joe collection?

    Unsettling times, but what can WE do? My business needs shoppers with discretionary income,

    I don't want to sell a Star Wars toy for one third its 'true' value. But then again....
  • Older_Wiser · 1 year ago
    No wonder SS recipients are getting a 5.8% COLA increase in January (largest in 25 yrs).

    All those unemployed adult children will be moving back in...with their kids. (Hint: it's already been happening with the more unfortunate.)
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    So, the dollar's worthless and we're still having trouble exporting goods?

    Must mean a worldwide recession, right?
  • Fireblazes(cheetohsandcatfood) · 1 year ago
    Exactly, did people think exports would start rising? Even Germany is in recession. They had the strongest economy in Europe.
  • pdxprobert · 1 year ago
    this morning i noticed a gray pickup parked in front of my home.... it had a camper cover in the bed so i wondered if it might have been a person who is recently homeless sleeping in the back.. i live in an inner city neighborhood and can tell the cars that belong and those that may be homeless campers, which there are many these days...

    sure enough, i noticed a late 20 early 30 something male get out of the back camper bed section... i wanted to offer him some money as he didnt appear to have been on the street that long.. the longer and further people fall into homelessness, the harder it is to get out of it...

    but i decided not to as i didnt want him to start playing on my sympathy's and coming around asking for more... but as he pulled away i thought about how i could have offered him some help ...

    i suppose i could have given him a $20 bill with a comment that maybe if things get better for him, he might return the favor to someone else some day...

    i look at some of the new homeless and wonder how deep could this economic problem go and could i be that person that needs help some day..... strange times we live in...
  • Patrick_Bateman · 1 year ago
    Thank you for sharing that - you are one of the good guys.
  • Older_Wiser · 1 year ago
    That is so sweet, but next time, do it and damn the consequences. I'd rather give money directly if I can. A woman in the medical clinic I go to was there for a mass in her breast (young and slim) and while we were talking, confessed she didn't know if she had enough gas to get home. I gave her $5, all the cash I had at the time (but I did have gas to get home myself).
  • Patrick_Bateman · 1 year ago
    We befriended a homeless woman we met on Democratic Underground blog 2 years ago.

    Long story short, I went to Colorado to work with her Minister so she wouldn't have her meager belonging sold from a storage unit. I had planned tp physically move her precious items and the Minister was aiding her finding a temp home.

    Story shorter. I found out the hard way she was evidently a functional mentally ill person with high intellect.

    Sad to say, that trip was remarkable in many ways, it ran the emotional gamut from great joy to perceiving danger.
  • Indigo · 1 year ago
    I agree, give the money directly. I keep quarters handy in the cup container so I have something to hand tthe street beggars who beg at the major intersections. I feel the least I can do is hand them 4 quarters for the bus.

    On the topic of begging: Several years ago I was vacationing in Key West. A street beggar came up asking for "spare change" but I was in a WSJ mood, huffed and puffed and walked on. "Hey, buddy," he called out, "C'mon! It's not like I'm going to spend it on food, all I want is beer!"

    I gave him a 5 for the comedy of it all.
  • dad · 1 year ago
    not good.
  • TheOriginalLiz · 1 year ago
    Thank goodness we allocated all that bailout money to wall street - I'd hate to think those poor millionaires would have to do with out their bonuses.
  • Reason0Politics1 · 1 year ago
    ya, exactly. not one thing positive comes out of the bail out..not one bit...and yet..all the peeps that screamed at folks like me that called the bail out what it was.. a scorched earth total stealing of what was left at treasury...have yet to awaken to the fact that the bail out was yet another scheme by the same people that put us in this situation deliberately
  • UncleGlenny · 1 year ago
    Krugman's later blog post talks about allowing GM to fail, and he references an article I'd seen excerpted yesterday, but couldn't remember where. In that article, which is reasonably long, are buried these paragraphs which Krugman doesn't seem to address in any way in his terse post:

    One reason for the casual support for letting GM fail is the assumption that bankruptcy would be no big deal: As USA Today editorialized recently, "Bankruptcy need not mean that the company disappears." But, while it's worked out that way for the airlines, among others, it's unlikely a GM business failure would play out in the same fashion. In order to seek so-called Chapter 11 status, a distressed company must find some way to operate while the bankruptcy court keeps creditors at bay. But GM can't build cars without parts, and it can't get parts without credit. Chapter 11 companies typically get that sort of credit from something called Debtor-in-Possession (DIP) loans. But the same Wall Street meltdown that has dragged down the economy and GM sales has also dried up the DIP money GM would need to operate.

    That's why many analysts and scholars believe GM would likely end up in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, which would entail total liquidation. The company would close its doors, immediately throwing more than 100,000 people out of work. And, according to experts, the damage would spread quickly. Automobile parts suppliers in the United States rely disproportionately on GM's business to stay afloat. If GM shut down, many if not all of the suppliers would soon follow. Without parts, Chrysler, Ford, and eventually foreign-owned factories in the United States would have to cease operations. From Toledo to Tuscaloosa, the nation's?assembly lines could go silent, sending a chill through their local economies as the idled workers stopped spending money.

    Restaurants, gas stations, hospitals, and then cities, counties, and states--all of them would feel pressure on their bottom lines. A study just published by the Michigan-based Center for Automotive Research (CAR) predicted that three million people would lose their jobs in the first year after such a Big Three meltdown, swelling the ranks of the unemployed by nearly one-third nationally and leading to hundreds of billions of dollars in lost income. The Midwest would feel the effects disproportionately, but the effect would reach into every community with a parts supplier or factory--and, to a lesser extent, into every town and city with a dealership. In short, virtually every community in the country would be touched.


    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a4893...
  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    Great article.
    Yesterday, I think on the nyt, the estimated cost of not bailing them out was about 200 billion, mostly to be borne by state govts....who are not in a position to bear anything more!
  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    “I do think it is really important that we send out a signal today that protectionism would be the road to ruin,” the Prime Minister said, in a speech to the Council of Foreign Relations in New York. “If we get into a situation where countries made decisions irrespective of what happened anywhere else, then we will see the same problems of other times. The dividing line here is between an open society capable of trading round the world, against a protectionist response that happened in the 1930s and is totally unacceptable.”
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/...
  • MaudGonne · 1 year ago
    For starters, where is it written in stone that bankers and traders have to be paid millions of dollars for their services? The gibberish about needing to pay that much just to keep superstars from fleeing to private-equity firms or hedge funds is just another Wall Street myth. The truth is most of them are lucky to have a job at all and they know it. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/opinion/16coh...
  • irishdave3 · 1 year ago
    Let's see,GM is functionally Bankrupt and too big to fail...I have just one word for you Benji....NATIONALIZATION!
  • anarchy · 1 year ago
    I'm already scared shitless.

    luckily, I'm a survivor - but I have a feeling
    that some day my luck is going to run out
    and that'll be it for yours truly.
  • Reason0Politics1 · 1 year ago
    umm..once again friends, by summer..if not before that, the US will officially begin to default on its debt. Once that happens, all hell breaks loose. We aren't even to the middle of the shit, never mind at the bottom. soo many homes empty, owned by banks, no one to buy them. housing is going to crash another 20-30% or more. Most likely, a new currency will come..Amero, or a global one, as yet un named. that means your savings will convert at 10 cents on the dollar to the new currency.

    so glad we got that bail out yall thought was going to help. it did NOTHING. the "bail out" was just one of the last scorched earth actions by this criminal government, dem and repug alike.
  • anarchy · 1 year ago
    great.. now I'm going to have a bout of
    SERIOUS insomnia.

    chalk up another "mission accomplished"
    for George W. Bush and his Congress of
    enablers.
  • paulbe · 1 year ago
    You're absolutely right of course. It is still in its infancy. Things are going to get far worse, more so than any of us have seen in our lifetimes. I wish that were just hyperbole.
  • Andrew · 1 year ago
    Default....Why not? Everyones doing it. Great article at the SFGate.

    Are you an idiot to keep paying your mortgage?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/...