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The concern that military dignity will not be preserved should have been considered by the right wingers before they started forcefully stacking nude prisoners in pyramids. These actions haves reduced our military options and have shredded our bonds of trust. As does 'don't ask...'
As far as the concern of dignity in service is concerned, I think the military community has long had and understanding with regards to public displays of affection. I think that few folk will consider it an exception to say that when you get your gay on, feather boas in uniform are right out.
(Relax, it's just a two minute prayer.)
Remember who put you where you are, Obama. Bigotry and inequality are NOT acceptable. Perhaps you need a trip to the cottonfields, or the back of the bus to get reacquainted?
*furious*
I understand the enormous tasks before President Obama and restraints on a new administration generally and I realize gov't moves slowly, but the Pentagon has stated their readiness to openly integrate homosexuals into the armed forces and other more enlightened countries have already and successfully done so. To continue this discriminatory policy adds unnecessary stress and even dangers to Gays in the military.
Even worse is that sexual expression is allowed for one group and disallowed for another group - this alone shames the principles of our country and those we ask to serve it.
DADT should have been rescinded on Day One and there can be no justification for why it was not.
We too soon forget that DADT sidelined all those Arabic translators in the US Army at the very time we couldn't communicate with the Iraqis.
Since a large population of those serving as grunts in the military are ignorant homophobic fruitcakes it's most certainly a hard row to hoe.
Here's an idea. Put the facts on the table and start educatin' these nimnuts - maybe if they can get past their beer, guns, religion and nascar we might make a little progress.
If they repealed the DADT policy all of these losers that are signing up for the military might end up in the streets - could be worse, eh?
It's not as if barracks or work assignments have to be changed. There is the rewriting of current policy, which could be covered by immediate directives while wording is retooled. Opposition? That will continue no matter what and must be overlooked or ignored in ending the current discriminatory policy.
I suspect, John, that were you planning to enter the armed services, whether as a desired professional choice or because you could find no other work, you might feel differently about the need for urgency. And I know that Gays now serving feel the urgency.
DADT is shameful. It should be ended. Immediately. Period.
Actually, barracks would ABSOLUTELY have to be changed. I am ex military and I assure you if glbt personnel served openly when I was in service, I would vehemently object to having a lesbian female roomate. It would be tantamount to putting me in the room with a male. I would vehemently object to going into the open shower bays with lesbians for the same reasons. I am sure that hetrosexual males will feel the same way about gay males.
And if you think that putting gay men in the room together or lesbian females in the room together is the solution, that's problematic too. Because the glbt's orientation is completely opposite, this would be no different than putting a hetrosexual male in the room with a hetrosexual female, and that is prohibited for obvious reasons.
So the only one solution is to give glbt's their own private rooms and bathrooms, and guess what? Then you cannot deny the same living arrangements to hetrosexuals. Can ya'll say cha-ching? The cost would be staggering.
Things are never as simple as the glbt community would have people believe. It has to be thought COMPLETELY thru so that the final solution is one where the gblt community is not discriminated against, while at the same time, their situation is not an outright imposition on others who don't share their orientation.
Lastly, having said all that, now is simply not the time to start this kind of internal conflict within the ranks of the military. They are in harms way fighting two wars and it would be ridiculous to spring this on them now. It needs to be resolved during peacetime when it will reak the least amount of internal havok.
You don't want to deal with the idea that the gblt has a tendancy to impose it's will on others. You just want what you want no matter how it affects anyone else.
spare me.
I'm also straight, and unencumbered with such nonsense as Gays having "a tendency to impose their will" on others.
Thank gawd you are no longer in the military. And thank gawd people with your beliefs are dying off.
Anywho, people with my beliefs are alive and well. If they move too fast on this dadt issue without thinking it thru, you will see just how alive and well they are. I assure you, you'll see.
No, only morons do that. It's called "Take the compliment for what its worth, someone thinks you're hot."
That doesn't mean they're going to gangrape you.
Are you sure your own sexuality is stable? You sound terrified and insecure. It makes you sound like a closetcase, boasting and overcompensating.
In short, grow the fuck up and act like an adult.
So what, exactly, are you freaks going to do?
'Cause change gonna come, "sista."
p.s. honey, we outnumber you by about 10 to 1 all told. So bring it.
If we can't beat you head on, we'll give you really stupid hair and design fugly clothes to show off your muffin top. We'll go out flaming.
Hetrosexuals are also capable of keeping their hands to themselves, but professing to do so, is not a ticket to share rooms between male and female.
And your selfishness is showing. It's not just one person's problem. It needs to be resolved in a way that is pallatable for BOTH.
As I said to a previous poster:
You don't want to deal with the idea that the gblt has a tendancy to impose it's will on others. You just want what you want no matter how it affects anyone else.
That's what I meant by that.
Pwned.
A hetrosexual male might feel the same way, but he still does not get to share a room with a female just because he does not think she's worth a second look.
Try to be objective, will ya.
Get a clue before you speak.
I'm sure there are a lot of respectful, non-homophobic straight people who wouldn't want to share accommodations with a bigot like yourself.
served 8 years. between all the sex parties, drunken debauchery that happens. No one is pure.
For one thing, ANY commander of ANY unit or base can impose 'no fraternization' regulations as they currently do with hets in coed situations. The same regulations could (and I'm sure, WOULD) be implemented service-wide across all branches if DADT were repealed.
2)Other advanced countries have allowed openly gay people to serve in their military for years now, and it has not degraded their integrity or unit cohesiveness. Nice try.
3)Now is most DEFinitely the time to start 'this internal conflict' as you describe it. It was actually started 15 years ago when dadt was first enacted and has been ongoing ever since. If you'd pulled your head out of the sand and listened to a newscast once or twice, you might have heard about it.
4)DADT is BS, costly, arcane, oppressive policy which needs to be repealed.....yesterday!
So it's based on your "faith" now? So people who don't conform to your faith have to have separate accommodations? Should they also drink from different fountains and sit at the back of the bus? Or perhaps wear a pink triangle?
Wow. Glad you're on the losing part of history on this one. But don't worry, there ARE countries that enforce peoples' "faith" over others' to the degree you seem to like. Any of the 'istan's should do you fine.
It's administration doublespeak.
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I'm guessing not that many banksters smoke pot either and that's why Obama has been so slow to clear the jails of non violent drug criminals and free the weed.
Enjoy.
No question here, sexuality will always be causing problems in the military. I just don't think the gay issues are particularly worse than the straight issues.
The military tradition of trivializing rape is every bit as much a cultural issue.
My hope is that after gay soldiers are free to respectfully and decently pursue military careers without having to be furtive in their lifestyle, that it will then be possible to develop a culture that does not protect sexual predators in the military.
Trust me, territorial and dominance issues are right up there.
Straight, gay and confused, men often have issues. Don't ask don't tell helps keep them in the dark where they can fester.