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AMERICAblog: White House saying gay ban will be lifted next spring?

  • Over Them · 4 months ago
    While I totally agree with your extremely justified skepticism about Obama's LGBT campaign promises, specifically in relation to Solmonese's ludicrous claims that they are ACTUALLY doing anythiing more than talking about talking about DADT, AMERICAblog--which has earned its well-deserved credibility on research and a realistic "Show Me" approach to individuals, groups, and events--is once again, and for the third time in as many days, presenting a priori SLDN as divine experts on Mt. Olympus about all things DADT when they are mindless dwarves deep in the valley below.

    It's long past time someone in gay media finished the job of exposing their impotence and strategic bankruptcy that the Washington Blade began with a story a couple of years ago about how many respected employees quit shortly after Aubrey Sarvis took over, continued with a story about Sarvis telling the Washington Times in November of last year essentially that Obama could take his own sweet time in attacking DADT, and then more or less abandoned save for part of a recent article in which Palm Center Director Aaron Belkin revealed that both former and present SLDNites have been among those described in the Center's scathing report, "Self-Inflicted Wound: How and Why Gays Give the White House a Free Pass on Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

    If you don't want to ask them, then ask yourselves why none of our three out members of Congress bothered to attend SLDN's tiny March rally in front of the Capitol building for the DADT repeal bill. Why even the bill's then lead sponsor, Ellen Tauscher, didn't bother to show up for the event about her own bill. Why none of them, save Polis, showed up at SLDN's annual dinner the next night, nor anyone representing the administration.

    Why Sarvis and SLDN communications peeps Kevin Nix, whom AMERICAblog has exalted twice in two days, and Paul DeMiglio, et al., continually push the glacially slow legislation line while dissing a stop-loss order in (at best) disingenuous language that could be written by any Kool Aid-saturated Obambot.

    SLDN long ago became a part of the problem not the solution, and, respectfully, AMERICAblog has been ennabling them by perpetuating the illusion than they are anything else.
  • liberaldemdave · 4 months ago
    a couple of thoughts here:

    1. joe solomonese DOESN'T speak for me, nor do i trust any "closed door" meetings that HRC has had with the administration. AREN'T WE ALL ADULT ENOUGH TO NEGOTIATE WITHOUT DOING IT IN "THE CLOSET", so to speak?

    2. next spring. yeah, right. i guess the reasoning is that the ponies we're to each receive with the repeal of DADT were on back order until next spring.

    funny, but it's taken 47 years and FINALLY having what i thought would be a president for "hope" and "change" to turn me into a raging cynic. thanks alot, "fierce advocate".
  • Jim Olson · 4 months ago
    I'll believe it when I see the President signing it into law in an East Room signing ceremony, surrounded by openly gay service men and women in uniform.
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    And in the meantime, more highly qualified, critical-skills GLBT soldiers will be booted under dishonorable conditions, while more gang bangers, supremacists and skin heads will be allowed to enlist.

    Sounds like a great plan to me -- it's working so well already. By all means stay the course.

    /righteous snark off
  • Jophus · 4 months ago
    OT: I literally just realized your username is the name of volcanos.... Just now. I feel so blonde.
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    Yes sir, Joe. Mt. St. Helen's and Mt. Rainier. I live about 50 miles from Rainier and St Helen's is a bit farther but easily driveable in about 1-1 1/2 hours! And the Olympics are to the immediate west of me on the other sound of the Sound.
  • Truckloadbear · 4 months ago
    Horseshit.
  • Dateline_Molly · 4 months ago
    Only 6 months in and this admin has no cred whatsoever.

    Either Obama has lost control of the messaging coming from his staff, or he simply doesn't give a shit about controlling it. So far, he hasn't given much of a shit about anything other than keeping "Brand Obama" alive on the talk show circuit. Does the man ever stay in town and actually do any work?!

    This is going down about as easily as all that Pharm-back-room-dealing messaging that went completely FUBAR on them.

    I'm guessing the people surrounding Obama are finding him easy to roll. The man is so wrapped up with not causing hurt feelings and trying to go along to get along that he's lost his power. Rahm probably walks all over him.
  • brandiparker · 4 months ago
    Well if Joe Solmonese said it then you known its a LIE ! I'm sick and tired of all the pretty and emtpy words from both Joe and Obama.....The whitehouse is using Joe to get the LGBT community off thier backs and get us to shut up thinking we'll listen to Joe ......HA hahahaha how little they known...Joe blew his creditblity long ago with the LGBT community and is now seen as nothing but another self seeking Elist Gay man.


    Sincerely
    Brandi Parker
  • Blueflash · 4 months ago
    Same Solomonese who announced last spring after a White House meeting that "Obama has a plan". That was before the DOMA brief. Same Solomenese declaring on Olbermann that Obama's spurious federal employee benefit crumb was a major advance and literally rolled his eyes while saying "some gays" won't be satisfied until (of all crazy things) DOMA is repealed. Glad I dropped my monthly donation to HRC and the same money is now going to a worthwhile cause - keeping gay marriage legal in Maine.
  • FunMe · 4 months ago
    White House says Santa Claus really does exist. Will be proven in December.

    White House says the Easter Bunny is a real person, too. Will be proven in April of next year.

    White House says the tooth fairy does exist and will be proven next time someone at the White House loses a tooth.

    How about ACTIONS instead of talk?
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    I would love to donate to those in office, I will be able to donate maybe by next umm summer. This is a ploy to use us for cash cows for re election, they have had enough time now to do this.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    They are going to have to get re-elected without my financial help. I'm over taking their word on things. Action or no $$$s.
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    if they could do it in spring, then they could do it now
  • mboro43 · 4 months ago
    I quit supporting HRC when they backed Lieberman over Lamont...back in what? 2006?
  • Butch1 · 4 months ago
    I, as well.
  • devlzadvocate · 4 months ago
    HRzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  • mwdavis · 4 months ago
    Joe, Joe, Joe . . .
    don't you get tired of all that sucking . . . up?
  • terjeanderson · 4 months ago
    I agree totally with the frustration and distrust on the issues like DADT, DOMA, etc. The administration simply doesn't get why their foot-dragging is politically stupid and unacceptable.

    But I want to take issue with the statement that, when it comes to lifting the HIV entry ban "There's been a lot of foot-dragging on that too in the past eight months."

    As someone who has worked on this issue for more than a decade, I think that is an inaccurate characterization -- the administration has moved as fast as practically and legally possible in removing the ban on HIV visitors and immigrants.

    Previously (while Bill Clinton was President) Congress passed a law placing HIV on the list of medical conditions that would deny one entrance to the US. (Normally the question of what conditions are on this list is decided by public health authorities, not Congress).

    Last year Congress passed a new law that returned to the Secretary of Health and Human Services the ability to decide if HIV would remain on the list. (Not, as some have misinterpreted, removing it from the list).

    Making this change is not as simple as striking HIV from the list -- it requires a whole set of legal and programmatic revisions to immigration regulations, changes that must be drafted and reviewed by numerous government agencies, and that must be opened for a public comment period.

    (Part of the complexity is due to the fact that the ban involves not just visitor travel to the US, but all types of entry, including permanent immigration, temporary work permits like H-1 visas, student visas, refugee claimants, family class entrants, etc. - each of these already had procedures and regulations in place about how they deal with HIV+ applicants.)

    Unlike many of the other issues we're frustrated about, the Obama administration began work on this almost immediately after taking office, and successfully drafted the changes and got internal review and sign-off accomplished in only 5 months. John, you know how slowly internal government mechanisms actually work in DC - especially when a new administration takes office. Getting this done in 5 months is not the sign of foot-dragging, but actually a pretty impressive feat when all is considered.

    These proposed changes were published in the Federal Register on July 2nd, and are open for public comment.

    People can see the proposed new rules at the link below (and looking at the regs will give everyone a sense of the regulatory complexity and why this takes time in drafting and analyzing the changes.)

    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-15814...
  • fuzzzy · 4 months ago
    thanks for the explanation of the process - I appreciate illumination of these complex processes, and hope to see more here and elsewhere.
  • John Aravosis · 4 months ago
    Well, Andrew Sullivan has also followed the issue, personally and professionally, for years, and he clearly felt that a lot of foot-dragging was going on - and he was clearly tied in to the administration's thinking on this, as he was, until recently, their favorite blogger.
  • cowboyneok · 4 months ago
    Sorry, but actions speak louder than words. Actions should have already been taken if serious. Until I see actual action instead of just words my gAyTM is closed.
  • Steve_in_CNJ · 4 months ago
    so we now have a timetable for when joe's last shred of credibility will be shot. that would be next spring.
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    A bit confused, if they cant do this with control of the house and senate and the office of president now, then what makes me think they will do it after an election where we might loose seats and never get it done. I am also think of the fact that he could stop loss right now on gay discharges.
  • Jim Olson · 4 months ago
    Aside from getting nothing done on this issue, message control is also faulty. Haven't the Dems learned anything?
  • mwfolsom · 4 months ago
    Please! The HRC is doing what they always do - kiss up to power. They have long ago stopped caring about the LesBiGay Communities - this is about access. They can't/won't fight for *US* if it means pissing off the Obama power structure.

    Nothing new here - time to move on.
  • jjw1345 · 4 months ago
    OH MY GOD, just fix all these freakin' injustices, America! Wake up! I can't stand all this talk about nothing, with no changes ever seen! America could stop the suffering of its own citizens and protect it better if it actually lived up to its own ideals of freedom and equality, but it hasn't, and why not?
  • JohnnyG · 4 months ago
    Obama and Solmonese are both lying whores.
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    you are going to hear this.

    "In order to pass this work, we need to be re-elected, we want to do this, but we need the votes, and your support so we can help you, so please donate or else you wont have right"
  • Gary SF · 4 months ago
    For quite some time now I have been thinking that they were going to do this.

    Call me 'Pollyanna' but I believe that the Obama administration will use DADT as a 'wedge issue' - but not the way most of us think. They will overturn DADT and when the Republicans go ballistic, Obama will use that to show just how out of touch the Republicans are.

    With high percentages of the public supporting lesbians and gays serving in the military, and with each passing year, more hateful old farts dying off, this is a winning strategy. I'm a little pissed that we are being used this way, but I'll accept the outcome if it works.
  • Over Them · 4 months ago
    BULL! Ain't gonna happen this way but even if it did ---by next Spring some ONE THOUSAND MORE gays will have been discharged since Obama was sworn in --- to say nothing of how much WORSE our national security --- in Obama's own words --- will have been weakened!
  • mboro43 · 4 months ago
    Thats all fine and good unless I am one of the "old farts" who end up dying off while I am waiting! Everyday I get a little older...a little balder, a little fatter! Being patient with Obama is ruining my wedding photo ops!! :)
  • Gary SF · 4 months ago
    I agree and I am more in the 'old fart' demographic. It is like Nixon extending the Vietnam war because of the then upcoming election. It sucks, but what are we going to do about it? On the positive side, it will be great fun being a wedge issue to beat down the forces of hate.
  • Over Them · 4 months ago
    Here's what to do: convince ALL gays and our supporters to stop giving money to the DNC --- the threat of just a few got that silly White House shindig and Robert Gates TALKING about more "humane" discharges.

    AND civil disobedience!
  • tommy62 · 4 months ago
    I get hit up all the time on the streets of DC and over the phone all the time (damn I contributed in the last election - learned my lesson, once burned - shame on you, twice burned - shame on me). My response is maybe I will consider giving to the DNC and Obama when there is at least an attempt to repeal DADT and DOMA. Until then they can take there proverbial you know what and stick it up the place where the sun dont shine.
  • mboro43 · 4 months ago
    Another secret deal? This time with HRC? And if is a "secret deal" why is Solomonese broadcasting it? Is he taking cues from Tauzin?
  • UAFA_NOW · 4 months ago
    Lets not forget the positives, ENDA and Hate Crimes legislation are working their way through Congress. The HIV travel ban will be repealed this fall. A federal legal challenge has been filed by the Mass. AG on DOMA section 3. And the orphan of gay rights, the UAFA, will likely be included in the Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

    As for DADT, public opinion may be at 75% for the repeal. But what is the opinion of the top level military hierarchy? Obama maybe commander in chief, but he has not "earned" his credibility in the eyes of the military. DADA won't be repealed until we have more top level military stepping up and calling for its repeal.
  • gaynumbers · 4 months ago
    a) You are right about the positive actions. Thus, I don't understand comments by John such as "well we did not work for them" as if that negates that they are postive.

    b) You, however, are wrong about DADT, and, are in fact doing what Obamabots tend to do - namely move the ball. The ball is not what you describe and it will never occur as you describe. Anyone studying the previous history of integration with race can tell you that's a load. The reality is that it came first from outside, and then over time the military brass accepted it and implemented it. Indeed, if you look at the Palm Center report on gays, that's what they are essentially advocating as well. The reason is because it works. It worked in a military that was even more anti -black (and yes the polling data bares that out that they were more anti-black when integrating blacks into the military than anti-gay).
  • UAFA_NOW · 4 months ago
    I am not necessarily making excuses for Obama. I feel cheated by Obama, much like most of the LGBT community. Though I have more animosity towards many gay rights organizations that consistently neglect my particular interest, the UAFA. We will see later this year if the Dems will stand up and include the LGBT community in immigration reform.

    As for DADT, I read a strategy that sounds pretty good and sums up where we stand with DADT.

    http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/20...
  • gaynumbers · 4 months ago
    I do not feel emotions one way or the other. I just prefer accurate descriptions of what things are. As for your other question, read up on the history of integrating the troops. It did not happen in one step and there was a great deal of resistance until the Korean War. Truman changed the policy, but it did not have a real impact until after Truman under Eisenhower. My point also is not one that says slow down, but one that says look we have been through this before. The idea that there is only one way to change the law is a false position expoused by administration to avoid responsibility. How do I know this for certain? Again, history. We have been through this before. I do not understand why one would make excuses for either the administration or gay groups. They are equally complicit as far as I can tell as far as DADT goes.
  • gaynumbers · 4 months ago
    Follow up: By the way, not only did it occur starting with Trauman, but was reinforced later through subsequent action while were in the middle of the Korean War. Indeed, then, as now, the arguments were exactly the same- including claims that people would lieave the military. I asked one apologists to give me evidence of a mass loss of troops over race. He merely dissembled and avoid the question.
  • trinu · 4 months ago
    Regardless they are bound under penalty of court martial to follow his orders, and the laws of this country.
  • Bill · 4 months ago
    It's always amazed me that bloggers feel entitled to full access to the strategic planning of the White House, Congressional offices and the non-profit groups they work with.
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    Oh, so is it OK with you that lobbyists and corporate shills have their ear instead? The White House and the Congress are supposed to represent We, the People -- not lobbyists and corporate shills. I don't really hear anyone demanding full access for strategic planning purposes. But, in the interest of responsible governance they certainly have a right to be heard.

    When someone promises one thing and continually takes actions that are a 180 from what they said, we have a right to call them on it and ask them what the hell they are doing.

    Just for the record: I am not GLBT, but as a veteran of the US Army, I will stand with them for their civil rights, and that's exactly what this is -- a denial of their civil rights. They pay taxes, work, and contribute to our society in very positive ways, so to deny them any of their constitutional rights is unaceptable. It's what we in the military took an oath to protect and defend from all enemies -- foreign and domestic.
  • davidasposted · 4 months ago
    I think you mis-read the tone of the post. John and most of the folks who have submitted comments do not necessarily feel entitled to review executive or legislative agendas, but rather they feel skeptical of content-free assertions that an agenda for GLBT issues even exists at the White House and Congressional offices. Their skepticism is not unwarranted, especially after the now-infamous DOMA brief. They do not want access, or declarations from an untrustworthy source about what changes are right around the corner... they want results. They are no longer content with promises, and neither should other progressives. You may find that an inflexible or presumptuous position, but it has become a political reality. Democrats will fail to resolve progressive discontent at their peril, one vote and one donation at a time.
  • caphillprof · 4 months ago
    Perhaps not bloggers in Bumfuck Junction, but those in the heart of the beast have friends of friends, and overhear things in line at the Safeway and run into very unexpected people via Craigslist. Not many government secrets inside the Beltway.

    Also, did JC warn about putting one's trust in "non-profit groups." They make their money not solving problems but dragging them out, better to milk their consituencies.

    When does Solmonese retire anyway?
  • John Aravosis · 4 months ago
    Thanks CapProf. And sorry, Bill, but I am connected, and so is Joe. It's why we do what we do, and do it well. It's what comes with, in my case, working in politics in Washington for 20 years, and doing gay politics for 16 of those years. You get to know people on the Hill, in the administration, in the non-profit groups, and you frankly get pretty good at your job, which is usually established by a pretty public track record. So, while it's cute for you to dismiss our experience in politics by using the "some blogger" smear, I suggest you pick up the google and investigate the bloggers you're smearing. Then perhaps you'd understand why we find it troubling that no one we know has heard of any plan.
  • Bludevlsadvocate · 4 months ago
    "But I also have a very clear road map and a plan of how this is going to get done."

    Yeah, sounds like McCain's super-double-secret plan to get Bin Laden.
  • liberaldemdave · 4 months ago
    nah, sounds like more of team obama's super secret plans to solve every f*ing problem the country has by going deeper into the mire to "trap" rethugs and put them in a position of having to support their positions.

    you know, the "you'll see! how dare you question OUR president! he knows what he's doing and you're getting in the way of his BRILLIANT, SUPER-SECRET plan to solve every crisis by making it ***look like*** he's actually screwing it up first!"

    i'm so sick of the obama appeasers.
  • mwdavis · 4 months ago
    Shhhhh.

    See, if you "don't ask" about their plan to repeal DADT, they "don't tell" you when they plan to do it, and then we all get ponies.
  • Indigo · 4 months ago
    Not. Going. To. Happen.
  • MPetrelis · 4 months ago
    i blogged yesterday about this road map solmonese mentions three times in his interview:

    http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/08/hrcs-solm...

    sure would be great if HRC showed the rest of us this road map.
  • FunMe · 4 months ago
    One more thing, is this secret plan/roadmap the same as that so-called GAY AGENDA?
  • stevetalbert · 4 months ago
    I suggest everyone respond to ALL fundraising requests from national parties, candidates and non-profits with a simple statement. "What exactly is being done to repeal DOMA and DATA, which were explicit campaign promises by President Obama? Let me know because I would like to donate to your efforts."..... so far, I either don't get any reply or I get an automated response about not replying... I refuse to give another dollar until my question is answered. If the answer is satisfactory, I will again donate.
  • mboro43 · 4 months ago
    Another secret deal? This time with HRC? And if is a "secret deal" why is Solomonese broadcasting it? Is he taking cues from Tauzin?
  • Butch1 · 4 months ago
    I would like to know why we need to wait until spring to lift the ban? Why not now? Is it a better photo op having the cherry blossoms in bloom? Why the delay? ( "because he can" instead of "yes, we can"? )
  • offspring · 4 months ago
    hey Im still a bit confused by the silence on that brief, but if they could do it in spring, it is logical that they could do it now, actually this is the best time, well for us at least but not for those looking for money.
  • Mighty · 4 months ago
    I'll believe it when I see it. Until then... nothing to see here move along.
  • ndtovent · 4 months ago
    I agree.. That's strange that SLDN is not aware because I still get their newsletter and emails about activist events they're having, and nothing about this in those. I don't recall reading anything about it on their website, either...hmmmmmm
  • Over Them · 4 months ago
    I don't believe the WH is working on anything BUT STALLING but SLDN wouldn't know anyway. They have become the "emperor with no clothes" AIDING and ABETTING O's excuses! See my longer comment below.
  • RitornaVincitor · 4 months ago
    DADT makes all our servicemen look bad, and I'm saying this as a gay Viet Nam vet who served in the Navy. While gay people serve openly in more and more countries, our bizarre Don't Ask/Don't Tell policy makes American servicemen appear like they somehow just can't handle gay people..... like they're not up to the job unless protected from gay people.... like they can't handle the real world. And sorry, that just isn't true of our servicemen. They deserve the respect of being treated like the adults they are. If there are some bad apples, they will adjust or get out. The vast majority will be just fine.
  • HelenRainier · 4 months ago
    That's an excellent point. If they're mature and adult enough to handle assault weapons and other tools of killing, they can surely handle people of different sexual orientation.
  • RitornaVincitor · 4 months ago
    Well said!
  • sonofloud · 4 months ago
    I don't believe a word of it either.
  • frizbeesf · 4 months ago
    How many times will the HRC allow us all to be Charlie Brown running at the Football that Barack "Lucy Van Pelt" Obama is holding. Oh THIS time Little Joey Solmonese is SURE the ball won't be pulled away... if we just pony up our pink dollars for the midterms THEN by golly we are gonna get to kick that football clear into next week!

    I hate to say it but when it comes to the HRC it's time to "Speak truth to Stupid". The Democratic Party is NOT our friend. They many not be working against us, but they sure as hell are NOT working for us either.

    Am I saying we should vote Republican? Well to be honest I don't really know. The sad truth is, it seems like the DNC and the DCCC were far more committed to the LGBT Community when the Democrats were in the minority. Maybe putting them BACK there for two years might get it through their heads you can't keep yanking the ball away and smiling sweetly as you say "Now just isn't the time for your issues."

    Part of me would rather deal with honest enemies who I know are going to try to stab me in heart, than have dishonest friends who I have to constantly worry about them stabbing me in the back.

    Sigh.. I really wish we had a viable third party.. (Sorry Libertarians and Greens keep dreaming . I said a "Viable" third party and neither of you are there yet.)
  • Kate · 4 months ago
    No problem with most - but Fact Check on this item:

    "Then there's including transgender people in the federal government non-discrimination policy. That's great. It wasn't one of our Obama's promises to the community"


    Obama vs. McCain
    How They Differ on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights

    Employment Discrimination: Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), a piece of legislation that would add sexual orientation and gender identity to the Civil Rights Act and prohibit employment discrimination based on same. At present time, it is perfectly legal under federal law for any employer to fire, punish, or refuse to hire an employee on the basis of sexual orientation or transgender status.

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gendersexualit...


    A Quick Guide to Obama and McCain's Stances on the Hottest Issues
    August 13, 2008 by
    eunice
    eunice
    Barack Obama

    Supports sexual orientation and transgender-inclusive ENDA

    - Sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/936209...

    Obama’s 2008 HRC Questionnaire:

    http://a4.g.akamai.net/f/4/19675/0/newmill.down...



    I believe the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. I sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban discrimination in employment on the basis of sexual orientation.
    ==============================

    I'll disagree on the opinion that inclusion wasn't a priority - I know it's certainly not one of John's.

    And note with a bit of wryness (and apologies to frizbeefz to adding this here) that the Charlie Brown analogy was most often stated by the trans communities and addressed to HRC on their evolving ENDA stances. I remeber using it in 1999. maybe 1998.
  • frizbeesf · 4 months ago
    A few small steps forward are good, it's the several huge steps backward (DOMA, DADT, Rick Warren, total lack of Immigration Equality etc. etc.) that worry me.
  • Ron · 4 months ago
    BS !!!!Obama has not and will not do anything for the community until he feel the punch of the money drying up
  • Viktor T. Kerney · 4 months ago
    Please stop the hate parade, I believe things will get done. This foolishness needs to stop
  • whitegold · 4 months ago
    Abomanation. Many blacks hate gays. They simply haven't the IQ to see how their oppression is anything like the oppression of gay people. Any gay person still living in the U.S. deserves what they get. I left that crap hole years ago.
    That hell hole couldn't RUN without gay people, and the sooner all the gay people leave the sooner the rest of the world will see that. America is doomed. DOOMED!