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AMERICAblog: Why the right wing and the media swiftboated General Wesley Clark

  • Wisconsin Liberal · 1 year ago
    Well the Democrats put Pelosi and Reid in charge, I think of them as the Laurel and Hardy of Politics. They may be nice but do you really want them in charge?
  • BorninUSA · 1 year ago
    Morning Joe is SOOOOO much better without Joe. The more I see and hear this man the more I detest him. He talks over everyone, even the others on the show. It's like "this is my show and I can do what I want!" And with Mika moaning in the background it is not a pleasant show. Could be without Joe. Even Mika is tolerable when he isn't there.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    I thought it was called "Morning Ho" ?
  • RevDrBillyBob · 1 year ago
    Gen. Clark ran for president in 2004. You godless heathen libruls had the chance to nominate him, but . . . did you pick him ? NOPE; . . . instead, you picked a "sensitive Nineties guy," John Kerry. Do you think that Clark would have lost to GWB in the general election ? Hello ? . . . Thank You-Know-Who that you people don't have a lick o' sense.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    hey, the problem wasn't who he was, it was that he didn't do anything about it. just like he didn't do anything for the 'don't tase me bro' kid. kerry is a poster child for not fighting back. clark would have been labeled something if he got in, that's for sure. "nineties sesitive guy" is exactly the false label the riech-wing gave kerry. don't believe it.
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Kerry's a great American and we'd be in a hell of a lot better shape if he was elected president in 2004 but, man, I see Obama walking into the Middle East and having the Iraqis go on record agreeing with him right off the bat, and I see McCrazy showing his age with one gaffe after another and I keep thinking: "Kerry would just not have this kind of luck in a million years."
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    totally agree. I only wish I could see what would happen to Kucinich in the same arena. :)
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I think Kerry was elected just as Gore was elected in 2000.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Yes, I think Clark would have lost to GWB. I think Clark ran a lousy campaign---as far as he went.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    I should have said that I like Clark a lot, but I don't know that he is up to being a candidate for veep.
    And I hope I don't have to eat my words if Obama chooses someone who turns out to be less sure footed.
  • Dave of the Jungle · 1 year ago
    Cool, calm and collected. Just what you expect of a real leader.
  • unpoetaloco · 1 year ago
    Isn't it wonderful that Joe Scarborough has been reduced to the television equivalent of a kaffeeklatsch? Is that why he's always so pissy? Or is it because his face looks like a Mr. Potato Head that has melted?
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    LOL!!!
  • unpoetaloco · 1 year ago
    :-D
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    You ever notice how they never touch Warren Buffet?

    He's a total Democrat, but the Repubs on Fox and CNBC basically just try to keep it a secret because they don't want people to find out.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Well, I was really upset earlier and it caused a severe storm here that wasn't forecast. Which is a sign. I'll wait until it passes before getting some more things from my truck. It's nice. Love the rain. What I plan to do about the fundie wingnuts? I start tonight and it will culminate in a slow rumble and then a clap of thunder on them from what I can do with my religion.

    Electricity's going out here...
  • MikeinSanJo · 1 year ago
    And the general is pretty hot! I'd much rather have been looking at him over the past several years than at chimpy.

    Has anyone EVER seen an attractive republican?

    Regarding Joe, what ever happened with that dead lady intern they found in his office? Is he still getting boinked by her husband?
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Yeah, I forgot about the dead female intern found in Joe Scarborough's office.
  • lucky hussein · 1 year ago
    Right! On! about fighting back. Although all it really takes is a good sense of humor and being able to point out the obvious hypocrisy and lies. Obama's not too bad at it. People can still clue in eventually. (I think)
  • Bush_Bites · 1 year ago
    Not only is he a general, but a Rhodes scholar.
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    And not only valedictorian of his class at the Point, but the third highest ranking graduate of all time. I think he and Obama would click.
  • Õ¿Õ · 1 year ago
    Wesley Clark has always been somewhat dreamy looking...
  • KingCranky · 1 year ago
    Obama sure didn't have a problem repudiating Clark's spot-on comments about McCain, or tossing MoveOn to the side, months after the faux-outrage about the group's accurate Petraeus ad had died down.

    It's because the Democrats aren't willing to hit back at the GOP, HARD, that I'm a registered voter, but unaffiliated with any party.

    Going 3rd party, while tempting, isn't a real possibility, as the Dems, for all their faults, are the only party capable of instantly countering the GOP on a national scale.

    While I'll never vote for my worthless Dem. Representative, W lackey supreme Silvestre Reyes, I'm more than proud to vote for a Dem with spine, Rick Noriega.

    More Democrats like Noriega, and fewer like Reyes, are exactly what this country, and our Constitution, need.
  • Donna_Z · 1 year ago
    Once Michael Moore was asked why General Clark didn't do better in 04, he answered: "because Clark never learned to lie." Personally I like hearing the truth.

    BTW, the rest of the interview got better. When asked about the Awakening, Clark said that it started before the surge which he called "moving goal posts." Then he said that he'd talked to Saudi and other Sunni leaders who got tired of waiting for the US to come to their senses. Thus, it was the Saudi & others who funded and initiated the Awakening. Clark can say this because that's what those leaders told him.

    Joe tried to spin this as the General not giving the troops their due (the latest McCain talking point...if you don't agree with the revisionist history, then you don't support the troops.) Anyway, Joe didn't get far with that one.

    The Democrats need to start standing up for Democrats or get out of the way. They've let the republicans define us as fringe rather than people who actually represent what the majority of Americans are thinking. Obama's attitude and recent hires are very troubling Sunstein and Lee Feinstein make me puke on my shoes.
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    "Joe didn't get far with that one. "
    If you have time, I'd love to hear what happened next.
  • Donna_Z · 1 year ago
    The video can be found in several places, but this is a link to the video and transcript:

    http://securingamerica.com/node/3040

    GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I talked to the leaders and they said, 'You Americans are crazy. You're ignoring the tribes.' The Saudis put money behind it.

    Joe Scarborough: Alright.

    GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: They worked the tribes, and that helped bring the condition which made the Sunni Awakening possible.

    Joe Scarborough: So, so General, you are crediting the Saudis with success in Western Iraq. You're crediting Iran with success in Eastern Iraq. I think that's giving short shrift for what the troops did.

    GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: No, I don't think so. I think the troops are a very, very important part of this, but I think you have to look at whole situation in there, Joe. It's-

    Joe Scarborough: I, I am.

    GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: It's the regional diplomacy. You've got- Iraq is a buffer state, and until you deal effectively with the Saudis and the Iranians, Iraq will be ripped apart by contending-

    Joe Scarborough: Alright.

    GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: -rivalries.

    Note: Reading the transcript one can't fail to notice how often Scarboro interupts. Why in the hell does that dope bother to ask a question when obviously it is the sound of his voice that provides his real thrill?
  • hawkseye · 1 year ago
    Thanks very much for sending the transcript. Clark did an excellent job in spite of Joe who is a complete jerk.
  • naschkatzehussein · 1 year ago
    I am still hoping Clark will be the one. You are right, the GOP wants Clark the least in the second position, and the Obama campaign should realize that and go for him. Of all the possible vp candidates, Gen. Clark is the only one I would like to see follow Obama.
  • elleng · 1 year ago
    Hey DonnaZ, how right you are!

    "The Democrats need to start standing up for Democrats or get out of the way. They've let the republicans define us as fringe rather than people who actually represent what the majority of Americans are thinking."

    This has been going on, in fact, for 50+ years!
  • Donna_Z · 1 year ago
    So Elleng...is the game rigged? I mean do the Democrats join the republicans in wanting to silence the voices of those who might want America on a different course? Yikes! How does one explain this capitulation to the insane ones?
  • tlsintx · 1 year ago
    dems need to learn that when you're right you're right no matter how loud the GOPers scream.

    the problem for the dems is, the wingers can keep stirred up forever on the most frivolous bullshit...like flag pins. then the old media joins in and you're sunk. i'm not quite sure how that happens.
  • Donna_Z · 1 year ago
    Oh them flag pins! During the peak of the Obama doesn't wear a flag pin flap, the republicans sent out some sleazy representative to express his deep disappointment and disapproval. Strangely enough, I saw this coot on several shows never wearing a (gasp!) flag pin. Huh? And the sympathetic talking head didn't have one on either. Whenever the interviews included clips of McCain--you guessed it---he too was without the magic pin.

    The least they could do was to stick on the pin in an effort to lend some reality to their outrage. Nah, they didn't even bother.
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    ahhhhhh folks, lets not get all giddy about George Soros. The dossier on George Soros:

    Hit-man for the British Oligarchy

  • jr · 1 year ago
    if Clark was a repub the media would be making statues of him like they are with David Betray Us
  • Rob Mule · 1 year ago
    The trouble with Joe's staccato, in your face fascist history rewrite approach is that it's the same lame thuggery he's employed for years with various nouns, as interchangeable as Christmas tree ornaments...
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    Who are you talking about Prezz?? Just curious....
  • High Crimes & Misdemeanors · 1 year ago
    Never mind, LOL, I just did a quick review of the posts.... yes, the fascist have certainly done an excellent job of re-writing history, but are also doing a damn good job of destrorying the idealism of the nation-state.

    +
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Amen, John, and might I add another thing Democrats need to do is stop allowing Republicans to define their candidates supposed strengths by highlighting and congratulating them on their "supposed" strengths. For instance, Obama doesn't need to gush about John McCain's "service to our country." I'm tired of hearing about how we all need to respect McCain from our side. He has respect for what he has done in the past, but we need to MOVE ON! McCain has some very dangerous positions for our country and it should NEUTRALIZE any mention of what he did in the past. Its what he does in the present and future that TRULY scares me. By the way, there are enough veterans from the Viet Nam war who oppose McCain and his supposed sacrifice as a P.O.W. that I think we, as Democrats, need to just leave that part of his history alone and stop with the whole sanctimonious "McCain is a hero" sloganeering.
  • bluestockton · 1 year ago
    Obama should never have piled on with everyone else after Clark said that getting shot down and being a POW does not qualify one to be president. Because he's right, it doesn't--unless, that is, we expect terrorists to storm the White House and take the president hostage.

    Now that I think about it, I wish that terrorists would take Dubya hostage. It would be "The Ransom of Red Chief" all over again.
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    I'm with ya there!
  • cowboyneok · 1 year ago
    Obama - Clark 2008!
  • LanceThruster · 1 year ago
    That's one of the reasons I'm optimistic about Sen. Obama's capabilities. He responds effectively to smears rather quickly so that they are diffused in the same news cycle. It was painful though to see the distancing from Gen. Clark's statement about McCain presidential qualifications by Obama and some other Dems. Gen. Clark spoke a rather unremarkable truth.

    I hope Wesley Clark has a prominent place in an Obama administration. I have no problem with him as veep either (although the PUMAs will go wild - and not in a good 'girls go wild' kind of way [j/k]).