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The only thing this country does "well" is kill people. We export weapons, mercenaries, troops, hit men, and "contractors" to murder innocent people around the world under the guise of "spreading democracy."
With our current "health care" options, we also kill our own citizens. Lack of health care causes the deaths of about 20,000 people a year in this country. People who ARE insured die anyway because their insurance company denies them benefits. If they don't die, they'll go bankrupt.
Our elected officials DO NOT REPRESENT the people they are ostensibly elected to represent. Instead they represent the big money that gets them elected, and keeps them there. And the proof is in the pudding, day in and day out.
That's our current system of government in the U.S. It's legalized bribery and the conflicts of interest are beyond ludicrous.
And yet people continue to call them "spineless" or whatever. Like that has anything to do with anything.
Both sides of the aisle consistently vote to empower the big corporations, and enrich themselves, at the expense of the common people. There's no difference between Republicans and Democrats on this most fundamental level of our federal government system. The "partisanship" issue is nothing but smoke and mirrors, a divide-and-conquer distraction from what they're all openly doing, over and over and over; selling us out.
They stand in front of the T.V. cameras and say this or that, particularly during election seasons, but then always go back and vote to screw us. Always.
I swear, we deserve what we're getting for being so naive in this country about how our system currently works, and allowing it to continue.
And it's not like they even try to hide it anymore. They come right out and say it; The bankers own the Senate, The Health Insurance Industry owns the House.
Like, Duh!!!
Why would anyone pretend to believe that these traitors, both Democrats and Republicans, would do what's in the best interest of the country, when that conflicts with rapacious corporate profits.
After all, they've been proving the answer to this for years.
I'm just saying maybe there is hope coming sooner than we thought. The pressure is building too much lately in American politics, something is going to give in a very big way.
Enough with the bi-partisan fetish. No one cares about bi if the bill is good and supported by the public!
There's an article in the new Harpers calling the president, "Barack Hoover Obama" the thesis of which is that so far, he's acting too cautiously. Not at all like FDR but more like his 1-term predecessor.
The Iranian people are still be forced to harvest the bitter fruits of US imperial intervention and meddling in their country some fifty-six years ago.
Because they're being paid off by the insurance industry. They're on the take. They are no less greedy than the Republicans and only fractionally less crazy.
Tomorrow's headline: If we don't bailout insurance companies, the few people that have health benefits will lose them.
However, if we let them know without a job they won't have to worry about lobbying money, they might do the right thing.
The politicians are not interpreting the data correctly, or don't want to interpret it correctly.
That's the true test, one many insurance companies deliberately fail, over and over.
In a catastrophic situation, the first answer is always DENIED.
The insurance companies pay claims adjusters to deny claims. Adjusters are rewarded for cutting and denying benefits to their policy holders. Doctors who work in utilization review of these companies are also given bonuses for denying care further up the ladder.
Certainly not voters; must be the insurance companies and pharmas.
"Across a number of questions, the poll detected substantial support for a greater government role in health care, a position generally identified with the Democratic Party. When asked which party was more likely to improve health care, only 18 percent of respondents said the Republicans, compared with 57 percent who picked the Democrats. Even one of four Republicans said the Democrats would do better."
they be bought and sold
(simple ans to simple ques)
1) The US Senate is not a democratically representative body, with 2 members per state irrespective of population. The 72% is a national number, not necessarily was Landrieu, Lincoln, Nelson (NE), Conrad, Bayh feel exists in their states.
2) The preference for incumbent majority Dem Senators in those states not to stir the pot, which can cause their business contributors to go over to potential Repub opponents. If they can keep these people at bay, the chances of well-financed opposition fades.
This has been another episode of simple answers to simple questions.
On the issue of health care, it was a total fiasco the way that it ended up. I am not sure we were ready for health care reform when Hillary rolled it out the first time. That she was the president's wife didn't go over very well either.
So the Republicans and the conservative Democrats are holding the more progressive people hostage. We have few to no real states(wo)men in the world right now on the progressive side.
Like Bill Maher, I kind of wish that Obama had a bit of theG. Bush II, disdain for others. Time and again when he wanted an agenda item pushed forward he pretty much said to hell with what you all think this is what I want.
I understand the idea of wanting to work with everyone, but there comes a time when the people in power need to say this is what is right and needed and shove it on through. If we don't like it then we can un-elect those people and find people who will do what we want and repeal old laws.
Later,
Marlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrCR8TndvYk
The Democrats are not real liberals, real progressives. We have a center right party (the dems) and a crazy party. (the repubs). There is no real liberal/progressive party.
If I hear one more republican say we have a liberal SC, I will scream.
Short answer: Dems are pussies.
Long answer: The corporations have moved their money across the aisle. The Dems want it. The rest of us can go to Hell.
Remember that in 2010 & 2012.
And they need to work on their feng shui. The American kind. It's all bass-ackwards.
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However, I think this poll is skewed left in the sample. The sample was something like 65-32 Obama voters vs. McCain voters.
I'm still not convinced that people really want to pay for a public option. They want one, but don't want to pay for it.
Rasmussen has a poll out showing 42-42 on the public option. Of course, he always over samples republicans and also has a poll showing that the public prefers the GOP on economic issues so I am not sure about his credibility either.
1. if you FEAR govt beaurocrats between you and your doctor, why don't you fear Insurance Company beaurocrats?
2. Please tell me what VALUE-ADD a for profit insurance company brings to health care? All they do is ADD COST to the system no matter how much of THEIR cost you can reduce, they still, in the end, add the cost of THEIR PROFITS and they bring no value to the table for those profits they take from the table.
The part that doesn't allow them to see large chunks of money in their bank accounts that can be directly attributed to the 72%. Our gov't is "run" by prostitutes, grifters and shills.
They'd sell out anything to get a campaign contribution.
That, my friends, was treason. Plain and simple.
Executable offense: Negotiating as a civilian with a sovereign State.
If we had any sense we would kick every fucking industry lobbyist out of D.C.
Out here in the west, when ranchers kill a coyote, the just drape the carcass over a fence, as a "lesson" to the rest.
Why let all those lovely DC lamp-posts go empty?
center left nation my foot, don't let the facts get in the way of a good opinion or story line.
Looking at a wide range of options shouldn't be confused with "caving".
You guys are expecting to him rule like Kim Jong Il.
This thread's about health care.
It's okay, your heart was in the right place.
Now, are you ready for the TRUTH??? OK, As can be plainly seen on page 7 of the poll's data, only 73 percent of respondents divulged who they voted for last November. 48 percent said Obama, 25 percent McCain.
What this means is this poll surveyed 66 percent Obama supporters versus 34 percent McCain.
As the final tally last year was 53 percent to 46 percent, this poll WAY oversampled Obama voters.
And you wonder why the survey found so much support for Obamacare?
What a joke!!
I tried to buy health insurance, but at $1200 a month and the insurers telling me that they can refuse to pay out a claim for no reason, I certainly can't afford that.
The Republican Party has worked tirelessly to make sure that every American suffers horribly.
FREE, correct!! I also assume that you know how long it will take for
you and your family to see a physician, correct? I also assume that you
know what the quality of the health care will be if it's State run, correct?
Obviously you are very delusional about what Republicans want!
"health care will be FREE"
I doubt that any national health care system (that the Republicans in Congress have anything to do with) would actually be free to the end user, although it should be.
Americans should be free to walk into any hospital / clinic without an appointment and receive treatment at no cost, because that's how it's done in other industrialized nations. Why can't we do that here? The answer is obvious - because Republicans wouldn't be able to profit on human misery!
When my daughter dislocated her elbow I had to take her to the emergency room and pay $420 for less than 5 minutes of treatment. Just like a New York City taxi you pay just for opening the door.
"how long it will take for you and your family to see a physician"
Since I can not now see *any* doctor, any waiting time for affordable care would already be an improvement. And since we already have rationed care and waiting times to receive treatment, this is a non-argument.
"the quality of the health care will be if it's State run"
Yet another fake argument invented by lying Republicans. Health care will not be *run* by the state, only paid for by the state.
The system we have now consists of unaccountable corporate bureaucrats whose sole task is looking for any excuse to refuse your claims and kick you off your insurance plans for interfering with profit-making.
A state-funded insurance plan would consist of faceless government bureaucrats actually paying your bills instead of trying to NOT pay.
Seriously, 'johnkerry' (if that is your real name), stop reciting fantasy-land Republican Lying Points and start discussing things that are based in real life.
liberal lies.
But let me ask you. HAve you ever lived in another country under their
health care system? Hopefully the answer is no...for your sake. nJust be
lucky that you COULD take your daughter to the emergency room to have
her elbow attended to IMMEDIATELY! Any guess as to how long you'd have
to wait in Canada, England, etc??? If you did you'd GLADLY pay $420,
$840 or more to have your daughter taken care of NOW!!
The outrageous howlers in your last post gave it away. It's obvious that you are a liberal writing fake conservative comments because of the easily disprovable falsehoods regarding how the rest of the world's health care system run.
No one waits for emergency treatment, except in America. The hospital I went to refused to treat us because I had no insurance - until I handed over my credit card, that is! Only in America!
When my dad sprained his ankle hiking in France he was given the red-carpet treatment: helicoptered off the mountain, rushed to the hospital, treated immediately with the top-of-the-line options. Until they discovered he was an American!
Because the US is the only nation on the planet that has no health care, the French Government had no one to remit the bill to. So the doctors cancelled the state-of-the-art treatment for him, asked for his credit card and apologized profusely for only being able to give him the cheapest treatment he could afford.
So anyway, it's been really fun playing your game, and you got me good with that faux Know-Nothing-Republican act. I'll know better next time I read one of your posts.
Anyone who has lived overseas in a country with state paid health care
knows that you get what you pay for. This is fact. I've been through it,
my wife has, my uncle, three friends amd friends of theirs. Good luck
getting a knee operation for 6 months to a year. Only in Europe!
Sorry, no game Comrade R. This is reality, something you apparently
haven't experienced yet! But you will!!
I can say from discussing this at length with my friends from these nations that the New Zealand, Australian, Swiss, German, Dutch and French health care systems are FAR superior to the US rip-off scheme we are subjected to here.
Now if you are an American in one of those countries you are screwed because America has no national health care plan. but if you are a citizen of a civilized nation, you are all set.
But you already knew that.
My neighbor had to wait THREE YEARS for his knee surgery (because America is so uncivilized that we STILL don't have a health care plan), so 6 months sounds like a great deal.
Your put-on is really good, BTW. You sound just as willfully ignorant as a real Republican Moran. You actually fooled me at first, but I saw through your persona when you started spouting the usual GOP Lying Points about health care in civilized nations.
Here are the latest toll-free numbers for the Capitol Hill Switchboard:
(House and Senate)
1-800-828-0498
1-866-338-1015
1-866-220-0044.
Nothing rattles the Congress more than voters ringing the phones off the hook. Call the House and Senate Leadership and let your voices be heard.
SEMPER FI!
Pathetic!
In this case the Republicans that are handing them the bribe money have demanded that they kill any form of health care and they have gladly done so.
US Government has NOTHING to do with 'the will of the people'. Therefore polls indicating overwhelming support for a single-payer system have NO meaning.
The Democrats only do what the Republican Party tells them to do. This makes it obvious and irrefutable.
Why? That's an easy question to answer. Obama didn't win a mandate. 46% or 47% of the popular voted against him. Translation, almost half of the American population do not want Obama's socialistic change.