AMERICAblog: Wolf hunts to re-start following Obama decision
faeriedust
· 4 months ago
I voted for Obama, not Dubya again. You wipeout the wolf population, you off-set the eco system, no matter where you are, whether you are in Montana or Alaska.
Most wolves hunt for food, not for pleasure. They normally go for the sickly and elderly animals, not the healthy. We as humans hunt for pleasure, for food for the pelts or getting them stuffed and placed on a wall. Sick as it is, we are the worst preditors, not the other way around.
Indigo
· 4 months ago
It makes sense. Now that the Occupant knows he can't count on gay money and votes, he needs the rancher-farmer vote.
Charlotte
· 4 months ago
Is there any progressive allies left that he hasn't pissed off with his major swing to the right?
Jophus
· 4 months ago
This is why Palin resigned. She is starting a helicopter rental service in Montana and Idaho.
coscorpio
· 4 months ago
Why is it that Obama is only getting things done for the people who didn't (and wont ever) vote for him, while shafting the people that worked to get him elected?
NotTimothyGeithner
· 4 months ago
He thinks these people will vote for him if he is a little different. He hasn't realized the people who would go shoot wolves for sport are probably the kind of people that won't ever vote for him because of certain traits the President has.
Jophus
· 4 months ago
I have to hit "like" every time I see your user-name. God, you are a genius! I may make it my mission to find you the perfect icon later today, if I still can't fall asleep.
BlueJelloElf
· 4 months ago
No kidding... Can I change my mind and vote for someone else in the primary?
RonNYC
· 4 months ago
Why am I not surprised at this move by Obama? Perhaps he should make it official and switch to the GOP.
chrisnyc
· 4 months ago
troll. just because you don't agree with something, doesn't mean it's a republican stance. if experts say that the population is growing too quickly, controlled hunting is not a bad thing. hunting is not a bad thing.
libertydan
· 4 months ago
That bites, I love wolves
caphillprof
· 4 months ago
The people with the guns always get their way.
yawn
· 4 months ago
can someone, please, give me anything positive that BHO has done thusfar? and I need more than "he's not McCain/Palin" or that he talked about something. Like one really good action that I can get behind. Because I've already jumped ship, but I need something to keep me going for at least the next 3.5 years.
chrisnyc
· 4 months ago
purity troll!
1. SCHIP 2. Direct miliatary to end War in Iraq 3. Cuban-family visitation 4. BYRNE/JAG criminal justice funding restored to keep law enforcement on the street. 5. Release presidential records 6. Office of Urban Policy 7. Restore science as a valued principle 8. Support the NEA 9. Expand AmeriCorp 10. American Indian Policy Advisor 11. Ban lobbyist gifts to Executive employees 12. Support high-speed rail and alternative energy 13. Reverse Restriction on Stem Cell research 14. Lift Global Gag Rule
And there are more. In 6 months, to have worked to try to keep us from a worldwide depression, and to reverse a lot of Bush damage, there were going to be things he hasn't touched yet.
Judge each decision fairly on its own merits, and evaluate him at the 2 yr mark, and then at the next election. Evaluating a president on just the time of getting everything in place and trying to save the economy is not completely fair. Yes, there have been some disappointing inactions and even actions, but he has done a lot to get this country back on the right track. Once it's on that track, he can work on getting it up to full speed.
Jophus
· 4 months ago
Thanks for the list. Some of those things I do not know that much about, and am about to look them up. I wouldn't exactly praise him on high speed rail, energy, release of records, and lobbyists yet.
I had genuinely forgot about Cuba. The Iraq w/d was due to an agreement signed by W, and if he used the mandate we gave him schip wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
The stem cell issue is the jewel in his crown as far as I'm concerned right now, but something anyone without an R after their name would have done.
Jophus
· 4 months ago
Stem cells and the majority of his foreign policy...... I'm drawing a blank. He gave the best speech I've ever heard that took place in my lifetime in 2004 at the Democratic Convention...
"There is no liberal America, there is no conservative America -- There is only the United States of America!"
As much as disdain I have for this man, those things are pretty amazing. Too bad the speech are only words and too bad he hasn't continued to be an advocate for science (I still hold hope with energy).
foxy
· 4 months ago
It's those dam Canadian wolves you know, they are much more ferocious then the original species...
cobblepot
· 4 months ago
Oh, crap, the issue wouldn't be much on Oama's radar. It's ken salazar, secretary of the interior who reccommended it, i'm sure. He is like a 5th generation rancher from colorado. He was a crappy senator, but even i would have to admit he's been pretty good at interior so far...at least putting lots of bush eco-disastrous decisions on hold and review.
chrisnyc
· 4 months ago
wah! seriously? everything he does that you don't agree with is not "supporting a Bush policy." If the man you picked to lead the country has his staff examine and issue and makes a final decision, you can disagree with the decision, but saying that it is just like Bush is bushit.
If people in the Interior and other environmental agencies and committees say it's ok, you don't unilaterally go against it because it sounds good, that's what Bush did all the time.
You are falling victim, post-election, to the whole "enemy of the perfect" syndrome. Every decision he makes isn't going to be in line with you, because he isn't you. That doesn't make him wrong or Bush-lite.
leliorisen
· 4 months ago
True...there are so many other 'clearer' examples to show him to be Bush III.
Or how else to explain that the president is now threatening to veto a bill that would extend CIA security briefings to the full intelligence committees of the House and Senate, instead of merely the 8 in leadership positions?
I think Bush-lite is apt, to this point.
The only differences I see so far are that Obama is more articulate and seems to have a better grasp of dealing with global leaders. Also, the ending of the stem cell research ban. And, he will pick better Supreme Court justices.
Ben Dover
· 4 months ago
Hey guys - It's called culling. The thing about wolf packs is that each pack consists of about 12-15 wolves, with each pack requiring about 40 sq. miles of range. Wolf packs rarely interact and generally go out of their way to avoid other packs. The success of reintroducing wolves to the western states is wonderful, unfortunately the wolves are reproducing at a rate that significantly reduces their chances of survival and maintaining a healthy population. Overpopulation brings starvation and disease, which in turn spreads to other packs and could ultimately destroy more than the culling will remove. With packs requiring some 40 square miles of range, multiplied by, say, 50 packs, you're looking at a necessary range of around 2,000 square miles. That amount of uninhabited territory simply does not exist in the continental United States, therefore, packs looking for for food will stray onto ranches and even into populated areas. I don't like nor care for the idea of culling either, but, it is necessary if we are to maintain healthy populations in a number that will allow wolves to be wolves. These are predatory animals, not pets, and their needs and requirements for survival will make it necessary for periodic culling. Just so you know...
leliorisen
· 4 months ago
It's already been Open Season on donkeys. Elephants had feared a fierce government assault, starting this year, but are now cavorting happily.
Butch1
· 4 months ago
"Looks like we got us here a republican president, boys."
crackbaby
· 4 months ago
Hey Ben Dover......You're Wrong. Culling is totally unnecessary to "maintain healthy populations" of top predators. What a load. Clearly, you don't have any idea about wildlife management or you'd have gotten the average size of wolf packs correct, among other mistakes you make in fact and logic.
Sure it's ok to kill a wolf if it's depredating domestic animals but preventative "culling" is not a valid management method for top predators. Then again, if it kills a fido or a kitty, bfd. Keep those animals out of the woods if you want to protect them, dude.
The fact is, its the big, burly, losers who want to kill these animals under the guise of management. It's nothing more than killing for killing's sake. I guess I'd respond to you and others who are spreading biological BS by saying "sorry 'bout your penis".
Bottom line: The Cult of the Amateur comes to wildlife management. Thank God the wolf killers don't take my ecology course. Why? Because flabby, baseless assertions don't work in the sciences - even my least qualified students could tie your logic up in knots.
Crackbaby
Oh, it's Dr. Crackbaby, btw......
jerryCA
· 4 months ago
I wanted to rant and scream but I'm at the point that I'm numbed with blind anger at Obama. More and more Obama is behaving like that despicable DiFi, a DINO. Allowing the re-culling of wolves is definitely the last straw. Wolves have no allies and left to defend against cowardly human beings with high powered rifles, scopes, helicopters. Damn that Obama, hoodwinking at progressives and gays. What can I or others do????
TLM
· 4 months ago
I am astounded at the ignorance of the sheeple making comments about something they have no experience with. How many of you have wolves living in your town? How many of you have even read the State hunt plan? There will be no helicopters or airplanes, no traps or poision. All the available habitat in the wilderness is occupied, and the wolves are expanding into where people live. Why the heck should we have wolves running around in our towns becoming habituated to humans and attacking pets just so city folks can have that warm fuzzy feeling? No we are not hunters or ranchers, just retired folks trying to keep our pets safe. When you have a pack of wolves tearing an elk apart in your front yard, or a wolf tearing up your dog in the back yard, maybe you just might change your mind.
All Comments
Most wolves hunt for food, not for pleasure. They normally go for the sickly and elderly animals, not the healthy. We as humans hunt for pleasure, for food for the pelts or getting them stuffed and placed on a wall. Sick as it is, we are the worst preditors, not the other way around.
1. SCHIP
2. Direct miliatary to end War in Iraq
3. Cuban-family visitation
4. BYRNE/JAG criminal justice funding restored to keep law enforcement on the street.
5. Release presidential records
6. Office of Urban Policy
7. Restore science as a valued principle
8. Support the NEA
9. Expand AmeriCorp
10. American Indian Policy Advisor
11. Ban lobbyist gifts to Executive employees
12. Support high-speed rail and alternative energy
13. Reverse Restriction on Stem Cell research
14. Lift Global Gag Rule
And there are more. In 6 months, to have worked to try to keep us from a worldwide depression, and to reverse a lot of Bush damage, there were going to be things he hasn't touched yet.
Judge each decision fairly on its own merits, and evaluate him at the 2 yr mark, and then at the next election. Evaluating a president on just the time of getting everything in place and trying to save the economy is not completely fair. Yes, there have been some disappointing inactions and even actions, but he has done a lot to get this country back on the right track. Once it's on that track, he can work on getting it up to full speed.
I had genuinely forgot about Cuba. The Iraq w/d was due to an agreement signed by W, and if he used the mandate we gave him schip wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
The stem cell issue is the jewel in his crown as far as I'm concerned right now, but something anyone without an R after their name would have done.
"There is no liberal America, there is no conservative America -- There is only the United States of America!"
As much as disdain I have for this man, those things are pretty amazing. Too bad the speech are only words and too bad he hasn't continued to be an advocate for science (I still hold hope with energy).
If people in the Interior and other environmental agencies and committees say it's ok, you don't unilaterally go against it because it sounds good, that's what Bush did all the time.
You are falling victim, post-election, to the whole "enemy of the perfect" syndrome. Every decision he makes isn't going to be in line with you, because he isn't you. That doesn't make him wrong or Bush-lite.
Or how else to explain that the president is now threatening to veto a bill that would extend CIA security briefings to the full intelligence committees of the House and Senate, instead of merely the 8 in leadership positions?
I think Bush-lite is apt, to this point.
The only differences I see so far are that Obama is more articulate and seems to have a better grasp of dealing with global leaders. Also, the ending of the stem cell research ban. And, he will pick better Supreme Court justices.
It's called culling. The thing about wolf packs is that each pack consists of about 12-15 wolves, with each pack requiring about 40 sq. miles of range. Wolf packs rarely interact and generally go out of their way to avoid other packs.
The success of reintroducing wolves to the western states is wonderful, unfortunately the wolves are reproducing at a rate that significantly reduces their chances of survival and maintaining a healthy population. Overpopulation brings starvation and disease, which in turn spreads to other packs and could ultimately destroy more than the culling will remove.
With packs requiring some 40 square miles of range, multiplied by, say, 50 packs, you're looking at a necessary range of around 2,000 square miles. That amount of uninhabited territory simply does not exist in the continental United States, therefore, packs looking for for food will stray onto ranches and even into populated areas.
I don't like nor care for the idea of culling either, but, it is necessary if we are to maintain healthy populations in a number that will allow wolves to be wolves. These are predatory animals, not pets, and their needs and requirements for survival will make it necessary for periodic culling.
Just so you know...
Sure it's ok to kill a wolf if it's depredating domestic animals but preventative "culling" is not a valid management method for top predators. Then again, if it kills a fido or a kitty, bfd. Keep those animals out of the woods if you want to protect them, dude.
The fact is, its the big, burly, losers who want to kill these animals under the guise of management. It's nothing more than killing for killing's sake. I guess I'd respond to you and others who are spreading biological BS by saying "sorry 'bout your penis".
Bottom line: The Cult of the Amateur comes to wildlife management. Thank God the wolf killers don't take my ecology course. Why? Because flabby, baseless assertions don't work in the sciences - even my least qualified students could tie your logic up in knots.
Crackbaby
Oh, it's Dr. Crackbaby, btw......