AMERICAblog: Would someone please ask Howard Wolfson what he's talking about?
Bostonian_Queer_in_Dallas
· 1 year ago
I just saw last night's Bill Maher show and there was a sequence on about blue collar guys in PA. They prefer Obama. She's fulla shit.
grandma
· 1 year ago
McCain on CNN now from PA complaining that Obama has not apologized to small town America.
uhhh....sheeshh MoreWar McCain....I think you owe the country an apology for your Party's failed policies.
grasshopper
· 1 year ago
Maxstar212,
Big blue states favor the establishment candidate. Hillary had 100% name recognition and the party apparatus behind her. The fact that Obama cut into her double digit leads in these states prove his compelling message and Hillary's overall weakness.
jr
· 1 year ago
Wolfson needs hernia surgery from moving the goalposts so much
fostert
· 1 year ago
In defense of Wolfson, his job is to defend the indefensible. There are no good arguments for Hillary now, so why would you expect Wolfson to have one? The guy is just human and he's just doing his job. And it's an impossible job. But it probably pays well.
aquarius2
· 1 year ago
Last night after reading about Hillary citing Harry Truman I goggled Truman's quote. I found another one more appropriate for Clinton and advisors:
Harry Truman: If you can't convince them, confuse them.
BTW I think Hillary and gang read the same goggle page because this quote is right above the famous get out of the kitchen quote attributed to Truman.
LeslieB
· 1 year ago
This is the least of it. Via Huffington, Hillary supporters are distributing a document:
...a document detailing the radical activities of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, two former members of the '70s group the Weather Underground, who decades later, in Chicago, crossed paths with Barack Obama.
The document - a three-page emailed essay by Rick Sloan, communications director for the International Association of Machinists as Aerospace Workers (IAMAW) -- takes both literary and political license to outline what Sloan believes would be the thrust of a hypothetical Republican campaign against Obama focusing on his tangential connection to Ayers and Dohrn.
Why does Hillary hate Democrats?
grasshopper
· 1 year ago
Hillary's campaign has been elitist throughout treating us like we're idiots.
Belinda
· 1 year ago
The most despicable thing about the Clintons is that the bulk of their votes in Pennsylvania are coming from Republicans. Both Limbaugh and Ann Coulter basically endorsed her and instructed their listeners to vote for her. If Billary somehow steals the nomination, she is going to lose big time to McCain. I know tons of people who would never vote for her because of her racist and dishonest campaiging. We will sit out the election and hand the Presidency to McCain in order to teach the DLC a lesson. The superdelegates need to give the nomination to Obama now or else McCain is going to benefit.
John, I completely agree with your post, and have thought the same myself every time I hear / read this line of unreason spouted by the Hillbots.
However, on the flip side of this, I will find it incredibly hard to vote for Hillary in the fall if she wins the nomination. My comparison in this case would be thus:
I had the choice for ice cream or curdled milk for dessert. I chose the ice cream, but they served curdled milk.
The fall rolls around, and once again curdled milk is on the menu alongside rancid Ensure... Wait, those are my choices? WTF? I still want ice cream! Not curdled milk. Not rancid Ensure.
/sigh
I guess I'll go with the curdled milk and hope that the curdled milk makes good choices where the supreme court in concerned because I know the rancid Ensure is going to make horrible decisions.
grandma
· 1 year ago
WEST LAWN, PA -- In the final days before the Pennsylvania primary, Hillary Clinton's campaign has acquired... well, what you might call a fierce urgency of the now.
"There is plenty of work to do," but "I have to win, and that really depends upon what happens on Tuesday in the Pennsylvania primary."
At a high school here, she led the crowd, mostly students and in their parents, in a chorus of "Yes we can!"s.
Earlier, at a volunteer fire house in West Chester, Clinton urged the crowd to consider the consequences of falling for what she called "whoop-dee-do speeches" which, she said, gets "everybody whipped up." Instead, ``I want everyone thinking.'' The job of president, she said, requires serious attention. "The pressures of the job are enormous." (I took that as a jab at Barack Obama.)
This talking point by the Clinton camp is silly. I mean, it doesn't make any sense in a primary. It has no bearing in how the state will go in the general election. The notion that Hillary won in California therefore he will lose it in November is plain stupid.
But the truth is, it doesn't matter how nonsensical the stance is. Ultimately, they only need to convince the media and superdelegates of this 'truth'. If they are dumb enough to take the bait, then it doesn't matter how true it is.
SandieInPA
· 1 year ago
Remember Governor Rendell's comments on Lincoln's Birthday: “You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,” Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday’s paper.
Tune in to George Stephanopolous show tomorrow and see Senator McCain's scars in HD (paraphrasing something I read on Politico).
Indigo
· 1 year ago
Unreason is everywhere but I think there's another factor to look at as soon as you recognize that a vote for Hillary is a vote for McCainalike. If Hillary wins PA, McCain wins PA. If Obama wins PA, McCain looses PA. That's how it looks from here.
Andrew
· 1 year ago
Sounds like desparation to me on behalf of the Clinton Camp. Even if Obama lost PA he will still handily win Indiana as well as North Carolina. The deck is stacked against pants suite girl either way and it's time to bow out gracefully so that she might do some good in the senate like voting to maintain our rights as granted under the Constitution. I can almost feel the ground rumble just thinking about all those millions of voters come November storming to get to their local polling places. I sincerely hope that the upcoming vote won't be a land slide or an avalanche, but more like THE BIG BANG while the earth opens up swallows every last Rethuglican.
I live in California. Last I looked, the biggest state. Hillary won the primary. So -- that means that if Obama wins the nomination, California will go for Bush.
Here is a very good read on Clinton vs Obama for those of you that do not have yahoo. The math just isn't there for Clinton to win and it gives a fair reasoning as to why some supedelegates are holding out.
Thanks for the link. This is not good, the media basically froze Edwards out of the race. Will it be the same if Obama gets the nomination?
maxstar212
· 1 year ago
I think Obama can win many of the states that he lost in the primary. Democrats can be very loyal. But I think it is interesting that he really does not do as well among the heavy duty Democrats in the the Northeast. A good speech with a lot of "hope" and "change" in it doesn't count as substance in Manhattan. Bill in '92 gave those same speeches filled with "hope" and "change" and I hated him then and he lost New York. Maybe Obama will make a good President. But it reminds me a little like the '60 election when we could have had a really great Democrat as President, like Adlai Stevenson, and we got the charistmatic great speaking representative of the Right Wing of the Party, Kennedy, who cut taxes and as militarist and cold warrior bungled the Bay of Pigs, almost getting us into war.
Sage24
· 1 year ago
This is usual Clinton gibberish. Threaten and frighten the Democrats into voting for her. It's a load of bull, and hopefully Dems will see through it.
Of course the majority of Democrats will vote for Obama. Once he is the nominee, has the party behind him, and he campaigns with his brilliance and charisma, people will vote for him. The fact that some of her supporters say the will not vote for him, just shows how much she has brainwashed them with this kind of nonsense, and just how divisive her campaign is.
SandieInPA
· 1 year ago
A rally for Senator Obama is going to be held in Harrisburg PA this evening. The local press is saying they expect at least 20,000 people, When he spoke here earlier, people were lined up for blocks just for tickets to hear him speak at the Forum, which seats about 2000.
firebrand
· 1 year ago
SandieinPA
If Harrisburg turns out to be anything like Philly was last night .....you're in for a really exciting time. Enjoy!!!
YES WE CAN!!!! Go Barack!
Dianne_in_DC
· 1 year ago
Did anyone see Chris Matthews on Bill Maher last night? He basically said that Clinton's campain is a disservice to her. She has even been saying "I'm not as bad as they say I am". I can't see how anyone falls for the logic of this campaign.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
The Clinton's believe that they can do anything to the Democrats at this point because McCain is the choice in the fall.
Based on her theory,if a Democratic candidate wins the big states in the primary, that person will win the general election.
360sound
· 1 year ago
I guess I'll go with the curdled milk and hope that the curdled milk makes good choices where the supreme court in concerned because I know the rancid Ensure is going to make horrible decisions. - PeteWa ______________________________________________________________
No more calls, please.. we have a winner! That is the perfect analogy!!!
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
No, Busboy, because I made Obama the cookies, you didn't notice? I'm smarter than you think, buddy :)
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
he made Obama the cookies because nobody would eat Hillary's----
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
The Clinton logic also that they have to throw the kitchen sink at Obama because the Republicans will do it in the fall is also very flawed. Clinton actually believes that the Republicans will not come after her with everything they have, they would turn on her just as fast as she turned on her own party.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
I could never under any circumstances vote for Shillary. I guess I am not really a Democrat---I cannot blindly endorse someone with her lack of integrity just because she is the "democratic" candidate.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Uh-oh...Tragedy near Lake Winnola... ;-)
Mrs [Kelley] Lepore, who now owns the house where Hugh and Dorothy Rodham brought their young daughter Hillary to visit her grandparents every summer and Christmas...is backing Mr Obama.
I dunno. Clinton has gone a long way towards absolutely destroying her reputation with the party. She's bitten everyone who didn't come out in support of her . . . not respecting their opinion or their preference, instead attacking and attacking. If by some chance Clinton got the nomination . . . how in the world could informed Democrats vote for her in good conscience?
Given the choice between someone so obviously driven by winning, or brocolli? I'd rather just go hungry.
mmedefarge
· 1 year ago
I wonder if Shillary will show up on SNL tonight....
firebrand
· 1 year ago
aquarius2
The Obama excitement is mounting in PA...the media is going have a hard time keeping a lid on it.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Mmmmm...Rancid Ensure and a Hillary brownie! Someone's going to need a hot, refreshing and aromatic cup of Obama herbal tea to cleanse that mouth...
SociologistTina
· 1 year ago
Excellent argument! Very helpful. Thank you.
Daniel73
· 1 year ago
Thanks John you and some these moronic posters anre going to make it a lot easier for life long Democrats who support Clinton to not vote for Obama. Lets see if he can win without the Latino, non college grad, white older women small town bitter hicks.
MrJJ
· 1 year ago
Why do the "activist" (plain old average democrat voters); keep challenging the "Governing" (almighty DLC-Republican Lite) Clinton campaign? As an unofficial spokeman for the non-union Acme Goal Post Moving Company; I should point out that Mr Wolfson & Sen Clinton are the ONLY ones in this Democratic Primary that are keeping our non-union employees working! Its hard & tedious work moving those goal posts.. sometimes 3x a week! We of the Acme Goal Post Moving company need your support! Please Stop questioning the "Governing" elite faction of the democrat party. Only the Clinton campaign knows whats right for the masses, Thank you all for your support in advance. fyi Mr Wolfson has assured our company that the insufficient funds check we recieved was a clerical error.. a new check is in the mail.
Daniel73
· 1 year ago
HAHAHAHA must have taken you and your mom all day to think that up JJ
TampaZeke
· 1 year ago
I'm not so sure that Clinton supporters won't take their ball and go home or vote for McCain out of spite. From the level of cult-like devotion, BITTERness and delusion that I've seen from some Clinton supporters, NOTHING would surprise me.
MrJJ
· 1 year ago
Daniel73 I'm actualy 13 years younger then Sen McCain. Thanks for the complement though. I'm sure my mom; if she was still here with me would, have approved of your comment.
Your_Uncle_Bastard
· 1 year ago
Excellent point, John! If that were true, I've have picked up my toys and started sulling the moment John Edwards withdrew from the race - AFTER I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO CAST A PRIMARY VOTE FOR HIM, thanks to the completely fucked-up state Democratic party in Michigan. Gosh, thanks, you fucking idiots.
And thanks, Jennifer Granholm! Methinks you have too much attention on some hypothetical future job in the Clinton cabinet to really give a rat's ass about your PRESENT CONSTITUENTS. I voted for you but wouldn't do it again based on your inability to control your own party in your own state. THAT'S leadership??!
Busboy
· 1 year ago
I did notice that shallow attempt to absolve yourself; but, everyone knows that Hillary is the cookie baker and that you had a sinister motive or you wouldn't have made Hillary the "brownie"; heh he he....
On a more somber note; Michigan is caucusing today to pick the 40% uncommitted delegates and the Obamakins are fighting with the Hillarites for the spots:
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uhhh....sheeshh MoreWar McCain....I think you owe the country an apology for your Party's failed policies.
Big blue states favor the establishment candidate. Hillary had 100% name recognition and the party apparatus behind her. The fact that Obama cut into her double digit leads in these states prove his compelling message and Hillary's overall weakness.
Harry Truman: If you can't convince them, confuse them.
BTW I think Hillary and gang read the same goggle page because this quote is right above the famous get out of the kitchen quote attributed to Truman.
Why does Hillary hate Democrats?
This cartoon pretty much reflects everything we need to know about the Hillbots: http://www.redstategraffix.com/Hillary_Billary_...
However, on the flip side of this, I will find it incredibly hard to vote for Hillary in the fall if she wins the nomination.
My comparison in this case would be thus:
I had the choice for ice cream or curdled milk for dessert.
I chose the ice cream, but they served curdled milk.
The fall rolls around, and once again curdled milk is on the menu alongside rancid Ensure...
Wait, those are my choices?
WTF?
I still want ice cream!
Not curdled milk.
Not rancid Ensure.
/sigh
I guess I'll go with the curdled milk and hope that the curdled milk makes good choices where the supreme court in concerned because I know the rancid Ensure is going to make horrible decisions.
"There is plenty of work to do," but "I have to win, and that really depends upon what happens on Tuesday in the Pennsylvania primary."
At a high school here, she led the crowd, mostly students and in their parents, in a chorus of "Yes we can!"s.
Earlier, at a volunteer fire house in West Chester, Clinton urged the crowd to consider the consequences of falling for what she called "whoop-dee-do speeches" which, she said, gets "everybody whipped up." Instead, ``I want everyone thinking.'' The job of president, she said, requires serious attention. "The pressures of the job are enormous." (I took that as a jab at Barack Obama.)
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/20...
No YOU can't Hillary.
But the truth is, it doesn't matter how nonsensical the stance is. Ultimately, they only need to convince the media and superdelegates of this 'truth'. If they are dumb enough to take the bait, then it doesn't matter how true it is.
“You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,” Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday’s paper.
Tune in to George Stephanopolous show tomorrow and see Senator McCain's scars in HD (paraphrasing something I read on Politico).
I can almost feel the ground rumble just thinking about all those millions of voters come November storming to get to their local polling places. I sincerely hope that the upcoming vote won't be a land slide or an avalanche, but more like THE BIG BANG while the earth opens up swallows every last Rethuglican.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/19/745...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/19/111...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080418/ap_on_go_pr...
Thanks for the link. This is not good, the media basically froze Edwards out of the race. Will it be the same if Obama gets the nomination?
Of course the majority of Democrats will vote for Obama. Once he is the nominee, has the party behind him, and he campaigns with his brilliance and charisma, people will vote for him. The fact that some of her supporters say the will not vote for him, just shows how much she has brainwashed them with this kind of nonsense, and just how divisive her campaign is.
If Harrisburg turns out to be anything like Philly was last night .....you're in for a really exciting time. Enjoy!!!
YES WE CAN!!!! Go Barack!
Based on her theory,if a Democratic candidate wins the big states in the primary, that person will win the general election.
______________________________________________________________
No more calls, please.. we have a winner! That is the perfect analogy!!!
Mrs [Kelley] Lepore, who now owns the house where
Hugh and Dorothy Rodham brought their young daughter Hillary to visit her grandparents every summer and Christmas...is backing Mr Obama.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=...
Given the choice between someone so obviously driven by winning, or brocolli? I'd rather just go hungry.
The Obama excitement is mounting in PA...the media is going have a hard time keeping a lid on it.
Someone's going to need a hot, refreshing and aromatic cup of Obama herbal tea to cleanse that mouth...
And thanks, Jennifer Granholm! Methinks you have too much attention on some hypothetical future job in the Clinton cabinet to really give a rat's ass about your PRESENT CONSTITUENTS. I voted for you but wouldn't do it again based on your inability to control your own party in your own state. THAT'S leadership??!
On a more somber note; Michigan is caucusing today to pick the 40% uncommitted delegates and the Obamakins are fighting with the Hillarites for the spots:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9054PD...