AMERICAblog: WSJ covers DOMA hate-brief controversy, DOJ says it will file more briefs defending law Obama onced called "abhorrent"
melissap
· 5 months ago
This is the most disturbing thing that Obama has done. Something like this speaks to his character and while I was able to excuse his pandering to the banks - his reversal on Guantanamo - all the rest of his disappointing decisions, this is the nail in the coffin of what I had believed he stood for. I regret every penny I sent him and all the days I spend campaigning. Being stabbed in the back by a friend is worse than going down fighting an enemy.
RonNYC
· 5 months ago
"Being stabbed in the back by a friend is worse than going down fighting an enemy." Absolutely correct.
offspring
· 5 months ago
they compared my relationship to incest, to f'n incest how was that even needed to be put in, if that doesnt show the intent i dont know what does.
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 5 months ago
Is Eric Holder homophobic? What "issues" does HE have?
Bush war crimes: get a pass.
Gay love crimes: get the hammer.
terrya
· 5 months ago
In, my apparently now naive way of thinking, I didn't believe this can get any worse. How stupidly wrong I am.
This is an vicious betrayal of the community who, with their hard work, their money and their votes, in no small way helped put Barack Obama into the White House.
offspring
· 5 months ago
no gay rights no gay $$
FFups
· 5 months ago
Glad this is starting to get some MSM coverage. Rachel did a great section on it yesterday. But as you rightly point out: Hello Barney, Tammy, and Jared, ..., hello, ahm, ... where are you??! Any statement? Anything??!
tlsintx
· 5 months ago
could all this be a strategy? because it's causing a groundswell of support for equal rights...hmmm.
Savage8862
· 5 months ago
Has anyone from the respective states called or written to Barney Frank, Jared Polis and Tammy Baldwin to ask that they cancel their attendance?
HereinDC
· 5 months ago
I work downtown DC. I just may stay downtown after work that day ( June 25th) Always up for a good protest!
Manderian Oriental Hotel.
eclare
· 5 months ago
I was thinking the same thing, except of course that's the one time in months that I have to be in NY for work. Damn it all to hell.
Barney
· 5 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA You voted for it...you got it!!!
nicho
· 5 months ago
Yeah, because Sarah Palin would have been so much better. Pffft.
stephanie
· 5 months ago
I can see Obama's calculation of waiting until his second term to address DADT and DOMA backfiring in terms of losing this as a presidential campaign issue in 2012. With some republicans already coming out in favor of repealing one or both, they could steal the issue from the democrats in four years.
HereinDC
· 5 months ago
I can see me calculating for the next 40 months how much he will be a one term President.
Steve_in_CNJ
· 5 months ago
i thought i was old enough to have seen all the possible twists and turns in US politics. but no. as you noted, obama may have made gay rights more palatable for hardcore republicans -- in the most ironic way. i don't think that was his intent.
erick28
· 5 months ago
I hope that the GLBT will not participate in this fundraiser... the DNC needs to fight for our civil rights and not to throw us out of the bus AFTER getting our money. This is an insult.
Andy Buck
· 5 months ago
I've just sent a note to Representative Frank's office. (You can't e-mail him unless you're a constituent, despite what his Web site claims. But you can fax him at 202-225-0182.) I told him I was puzzled that he hadn't yet pulled out of the June 25th event. He needs to hear from people. I understand that he needs to work with Obama on other issues. But there is NO WAY that Frank can consider himself a leader on gay rights in the future if he doesn't stand up now against this attack. Same with Baldwin and Polis.
timncguy
· 5 months ago
I still have a question I would like to see answered by a lawyer. It is the issue of "standing". Everyone just seems to take this claim that this particular couple lacks "standing" to file suit a face value.
How can a legally married couple NOT have standing to sue the federal government fo their rightful federal mrriage benefits?
I understand they might not have standing to sue for other states to recognize their marriage because they haven't moved to another state and been denied recognition.
But, they are legally married and are being denied the federal marriage benefits.
marieburns
· 5 months ago
The buck stops with Eric Holder. It appears his effort to "de-politicize" the DOJ is playing out like this: we're going with whatever crapola the "career" lawyers write.
Surely Holder knows that a big chunk o'career lawyers in the DOJ are the gang from Liberty University, et al., a group of "professionals" whom Bush toadies installed on the basis of their stellar CVs as evangelical ideologues. The Holder modus operandi is evident not just in the DOMA case but in Justice's recent appalling state secrets defenses, ultimately more damaging than this DOMA case, because the Congress can, should & probably will overturn DOMA, but it has little control over executive claims of state secrets proscriptions.
Unless Holder gets real & either purges these no-necks or gives them jobs making coffee & alphabetizing files, DOJ opinions will be reflections of Pat Robertson's interpretation of the Ten Commandments for years to come.
If memory serves me correctly, I think Holder addressed this issue of Bush "toadies" and said something along the lines that they would not be immediately firec, but they would be expected to follow the new admin's policies and positions.
So, I guess we can assume that if the authors of this brief are not fired, the positions of the brief are the REAL positions of the admin.
mml34
· 5 months ago
any LGBT org who participates or sends reps to this fundraiser should be boycotted. same with any individual who pays a dime to attend this function. any gay member of congress who attends should be met with protests and forced to explain their willingness to fleece their own community for the sake of obama. period.
no more tolerance for LGBT orgs or well-heeled individuals who pay for access and unwittingly (intentionally?) give "cover" to administrations that crap all over our community.
caphillprof
· 5 months ago
5pm, Thursday, June 25, 2009 Mandarin Continental Hotel 1330 Maryland Ave SW, in Washington DC
closest METRO stop is Smithsonian Metro Station on blue/orange lines, Exit to USDA/Independence Ave (not to Mall), cross Independence and proceed south 2.5 blocks on 12th St SW to Maryland
SCLiberal
· 5 months ago
"A $1,000 a head gay fundraiser planned by the Democratic National Committee for later this month, with VP Biden the planned special guest, is already starting to unravel as previously-committed gay luminaries are now starting to pull out."
GOOD!
Steve
· 5 months ago
What self-loathing sycophants are still going to this wake?
Gib
· 5 months ago
"Vote for me and I'll set you free." Ball of Confusion, Temptations, 1970
"We won't get fooled again." Baba O'Reilly, The Who, 1971
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· 5 months ago
We've had to fight hard for everything. I thought we might get some slack for a change with Obama but it looks like we will have to fight him, too. And fight the hetero "progressives" who tell us to wait. Those Obamabots are the reason Obama doesn't care to help us because he figures he doesn't have to. But if he'll do this to us, regardless of principle, the Obamabots better understand he'll eventually do something similar to them which he basically already has but they drank the kool-aid.
Rove still runs free with the wind blowing through he flesh colored hair. ha ha
nicho
· 5 months ago
A big question is what's going on with DOJ in general. This isn't their only fuckup. They're been letting GOP crooks skate right and left, but have done nothing about Don Siegelman, who was clearly railroaded by Karl Rove.
Some smells big time at DOJ.
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· 5 months ago
Like always, the gay community is so dispersed. I would love to protest for these things but I live a thousand miles away in a red state. I could travel there but not all the time.
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· 5 months ago
They're not going to get healthcare reform but they threw us under the bus anyway. I guess throwing the gay community under the bus is like a reflex now for anything. Anything happens, first throw gays under the bus. And I'm sick of those trying to rub it in our faces for supporting Obama. We made the correct decision at the time. What would be stupid is continue supporting him like some are doing. For those of you who tell us to wait, we wont forget.
SFNative
· 5 months ago
This is all the more reason to MARCH ON WASHINGTON this October.
gay in dc
· 5 months ago
So is there any site or group that is organizing a protest for this? Where can we go to learn more about what to do?
ChrisSF
· 5 months ago
John, I didn't see anything about the incest issue or the other terrible content of the brief in the WSJ article. Rachel and the NYT talked about it, but not the WSJ as far as I can tell.
jennyq
· 5 months ago
I am so embarrassed I gave money and worked on Obama's campaign. While I will be the first to admit he's better than his adversary, I actually cry over this current agenda of hate. Don't know what to say and only gave his campaign a hundred bucks. But this is just tearing me apart right now as it is others I know. Why? I mean Why?
Bush war crimes: get a pass.
Gay love crimes: get the hammer.
This is an vicious betrayal of the community who, with their hard work, their money and their votes, in no small way helped put Barack Obama into the White House.
because it's causing a groundswell of support for equal rights...hmmm.
I just may stay downtown after work that day ( June 25th)
Always up for a good protest!
Manderian Oriental Hotel.
How can a legally married couple NOT have standing to sue the federal government fo their rightful federal mrriage benefits?
I understand they might not have standing to sue for other states to recognize their marriage because they haven't moved to another state and been denied recognition.
But, they are legally married and are being denied the federal marriage benefits.
Surely Holder knows that a big chunk o'career lawyers in the DOJ are the gang from Liberty University, et al., a group of "professionals" whom Bush toadies installed on the basis of their stellar CVs as evangelical ideologues. The Holder modus operandi is evident not just in the DOMA case but in Justice's recent appalling state secrets defenses, ultimately more damaging than this DOMA case, because the Congress can, should & probably will overturn DOMA, but it has little control over executive claims of state secrets proscriptions.
Unless Holder gets real & either purges these no-necks or gives them jobs making coffee & alphabetizing files, DOJ opinions will be reflections of Pat Robertson's interpretation of the Ten Commandments for years to come.
The Constant Weader at www.RealityChex.com
So, I guess we can assume that if the authors of this brief are not fired, the positions of the brief are the REAL positions of the admin.
no more tolerance for LGBT orgs or well-heeled individuals who pay for access and unwittingly (intentionally?) give "cover" to administrations that crap all over our community.
Mandarin Continental Hotel
1330 Maryland Ave SW, in Washington DC
closest METRO stop is Smithsonian Metro Station on blue/orange lines, Exit to USDA/Independence Ave (not to Mall), cross Independence and proceed south 2.5 blocks on 12th St SW to Maryland
GOOD!
Ball of Confusion, Temptations, 1970
"We won't get fooled again."
Baba O'Reilly, The Who, 1971
Rove still runs free with the wind blowing through he flesh colored hair. ha ha
Some smells big time at DOJ.