AMERICAblog: Yes, she will take the fight to the convention
FunMe
· 1 year ago
So what can we do now to stop her?
Grimmlok
· 1 year ago
Some sort of bear trap?
Ben Dover
· 1 year ago
Someone needs to kick the undeclared "supers" in the ass and get them moving. The supers could end this in less than an hour if they just would.
In the meantime, Cindi "Cougar" McCain is busy measuring the drapes in the Oval Office.
And if that doesn't make your skin crawl, nothing will.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Bet she picks leopard print.
scooter in brooklyn
· 1 year ago
i still harbor the perhaps naive hope that the supers will put an end to this on june 4.
osage
· 1 year ago
She is trying to bring down the election of Barack Obama with her failed candidacy. She is forcing an open war between Democrats that will undo everything they've worked for. She is now an operative for John McCain and the Republican Party who can do more damaged to Democrats all by herself than every lobbyist and dirty trickster in the entire Republican Party.
naschkatzehussein
· 1 year ago
I thought the party said that MI and FL would be seated at the convention and that the settlement would be worked out before then. There's a terrible Catch-22 here though. Both of the candidates have the right to turn down any agreement reached so Clinton will turn down anything that's offered, literally anything. Obama had already agreed to seat MI giving her 55 delegates and himself 45 even though his name wasn't on the ballot, but she turned that down. She wants a Soviet style election with one candidate on the ballot as winner-take-all.
All I can think of is for the undeclared superdelegates to come out now for Obama and put it out of her reach. I'm so disappointed in Sen. Wyden who said that he is not going to make up his mind until the convention.
bordo
· 1 year ago
MARGINALIZE HER!
Continue to stress that the Obama campaign seeks compromise and a fair solution to the question, though they shouldn't have to since these rules were decided long before the first ballots were cast. Continue to note that the Clinton campaign refuses any and all calls to discuss the situation in a calm and reasonable manner. Continue to underscore that the senator who is positioning herself as "ready from day one" to lead the world's largest and most powerful nation has run a terrible, mismanaged campaign that is now some $20 million in debt. Continue to point out that a Clinton return to the White House is a return of the DLC, triangulation, cronyism and doublespeak.
The only good thing I see coming out of this is that it will be impossible for Sen. Clinton to push for the veep slot. Someone who has caused so much damage to the process of choosing our candidate has no place on the ticket. In fact, I continue to hold out hope a real progressive will challenge her in NY and send her off to Long Island with Bill.
devis1
· 1 year ago
Long Island doesn't want her.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Neither does Bill.
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
JoeZellHillary LieberClintMiller.
MiamiDude
· 1 year ago
Damn. I never thought I would say this but: I now hate this woman and her husband, as well. Just go away, Hillary. Go away.
michaelt
· 1 year ago
i see no difference between hillary and lieberman. they are both actively working against the good of the party.
except one of them has a penis. not sure who at this point.
FunMe
· 1 year ago
OK so that skank Pelosi and wimpy Reid decided not to go for impeachment because they did not want to jeopardize our chances of having a Democrat as President.
Now that sHillary is messing things up,what are THEY planning to do for the good of the party and to ensure we win the presidency?
Sugapea
· 1 year ago
The only way to solve this problem...
An Obama~Clinton~Fusion~Ticket!
We political junkies here may be enthralled with this hoop-la. But to the average working American out there...all they see is a Democratic Primary split right down the middle between Obama and Clinton.
The most productive and progressive action would be to marry the two candidates.
A heaven made DREAM TICKET for the Democratic Party.... A black Man and a Women...what an honorable achievement!
Even republicans are saying how much they're attacked to Obama's sophisticated/modern-style and constantly the GOP have commented how they respect and admire Clinton's spunk. These are potential voters!
Andrew Sullivan said it best...it's absolutely a Win-Win!
I've had it with her shit. Screw the Clintons. It's obvious she's just making sure Obama can't win in November. After the election, deemed radioactive by the party, she'll join her soul mate Lieberman as an independent. Fuck her.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
Instead of Gloria Swanson in "Sunset Blvd.," I'm beginning to think she's like Sissy Spacek in "Carrie."
And the Democratic Convention will be her High School Prom, where she can get her revenge on the delegates who laughed at her.
MEAT
· 1 year ago
the worst part is she's now claiming that she's won/winning and that it's being stolen from her someone needs to pull the plug
Oh yeah! And the latest Hillary vomit is her latest statement, "Seating Michigan and Florida" is like freeing the slaves and giving women the right to vote..hahaaaaaaaaaaa. Hey, I'm black and that's nothin' but bullshi*.
Hillary could have easily said to the voters of Kentucky, "Vote for me because you believe in the things I stand for. But never, never, base your preference on the color of candidate's skin." That would have been class. Nope! She sucked up to the bigotry and ground-in racism of the south.
Good news though! David Gergen has raised the question of why she didn't take the high road. Expect to hear it shortly all over the news.
Ksue
· 1 year ago
I don't get this crap with MI and FL. I thought the Dem party AGREED way back when, to not seat delegates from either state because they "held their primaries too early."
Thus, Obama chose not to put his name on the ballot in MI. But Hillary did.
How in the HELL can they possibly figure out how many/which delegates to seat from either state? Why does Hillary get to call a do-over, and how could this possibly be fair to Obama?
Why doesn't the MSM clearly discuss this issue?
Oh. right. I know the answer to that stupid question.
As a 55-yo female with 3 adult daughters, I'm as big a feminist as you can find. But I also have a spiritual (as opposed to religious) mindset, an open mind and an IQ in the triple digits. I would LOVE to see a woman in the White House.
Just not THIS one.
Hillary is a Republican in a 1970's feminist pantsuit. Her time is so over.
truthseeker
· 1 year ago
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could marry you...and I'm gay! You are a true feminist, just like my Mom, who MADE IT ON HER OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PeteWa
· 1 year ago
Hillary has all the credibility of a McCain, or a Bush.
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
0 = 0 = 0
lauracf
· 1 year ago
Seems to me like the only (or at least the best) way out of this mess is for the superdelegates to come out en masse for Obama before May 31, ensuring that he has the nomination locked up regardless of what happens with MI and FL, and then let Hillary have her way with the delegates from those states (for all the good it will do her.)
UncommonSense
· 1 year ago
I don't think she will accept any compromise with regard to Michigan and Florida that would avert a floor fight at the convention. She did not put this out there by accident. Clinton plans to challenge Obama for the nomination in Denver, even if he reaches 2,025 in the next two weeks.
I haven't seen a recent tally, but are there even enough uncommitted superdelegates left to get him to 2,210, the number that Clinton insists is the magical one for the nomination? Because mark my words, she will not accept anything else.
She is holding the entire party hostage to her ambition, and she is willing to let it die in captivity to get what she wants.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Guys, jeez, come on...She still has 17 pantsuits and matching costume jewelry sets that haven't seen the light of day and 5 pair of brand new Hush Puppies.
Rab
· 1 year ago
She pretty much has insured hatred for the rest of her wretched political life. If this torpedos November she will be in the hall of shame......
AnalyticalLiberal
· 1 year ago
Many times over the course of the primary season, when Hillary spoke I heard echoes (sometimes faint, more times stronger) of George W. Bush. It freaked me out. How about you? "Obliterate" Iran, anyone? Capital punishment? Driving wedges between the various constituencies of the Democratic Party for her own electoral gain at the expense of the Party and ALL Americans? If I didn't know better -- and I truly am not sure that I do -- I'd swear the words came from Shrub himself. Bush's authoritarian streak is impossible to miss in Hillary, and that scares the Bejeebus out of me.
Why is Hillary carrying the primary season on beyond all logic, actual mathematics, and reason? Because IT WORKED for Bush in 2000! The Rethugs created so much chaos, dragged out the deadlines and kept moving the goalposts, until they found someone who could AND would CHANGE THE RULES after the game was played and declare that the actual loser would be coronated as the winner.
Hillary is playing the same game: looking for the media to catapult the propaganda for her; convincing the super-delegates to vote for her in spite of the popular vote; lying about the math and whether caucuses should be counted; use the DNC rules committee to change the rules on May 31. If nothing else works, she will go to the "Democratic Supreme Court," i.e., the National Convention in Denver this August to get the nomination in what would be a complete rejection of the rules, of precedent, and all fairness.
If I were more tech-savvy, it would be a responsible act to create a YouTube video where Hillary's monogram "HRC" and her picture morph into those of "GWB." How curious that on the standard keyboard, the letters that make up Hillary's mongram are only 1 or 2 keys away from the letters in Bush's monogram.
donotmakemecomedownthere
· 1 year ago
Hillary is now in Florida, whining about "the unfair process" and comparing her campaign "disenfranchisement" to the GOP vote-stealing situation in the Fla 2000 election.
She somehow manages to out-pathetic herself every day.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
Wingnut pundits and bloggers think the rednecks who voted for Clinton will automatically back McCain in the general election. Perhaps. I know racism is completely irrational, but will all bigots vote for McCain's family? http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/12/27/us...
The McCain actually adopted Bridget from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, which is a Muslim (83%) country.
The bigots will have a hard choice to make in November, that's why I hope Bob Barr runs as the Libertarian candidate. He'll get the bigot and evangelical vote in one swoop! Obama will win like Clinton did in 1992. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-wo...
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
I had been thinking of Hillary as Bush-Lite.
No more. She's entirely on par.
larz
· 1 year ago
Obama and McCain should just start debating without Hillary. Wouldn't that say it all. Let her run around the country wasting money and saying stupid shit. Let the real candidates (if McCain't can be called such) debate. Hillary has become the freakshow at the carnival - let'sget to the big top and let the circus begin...
KarenMrsLloydRichards
· 1 year ago
One of her leading advisers, some contemptible little worm, said this afternoon that the campaign would go on past the 3rd of June. Maddow was spot on!
ikonoklast
· 1 year ago
Maybe the Democratic Party needs to die. Maybe that's the best thing that we can accomplish this year - Hillary loses it for the party, the party dissolves, all it's spineless "leader"ship is out of a job, and we rebuild something worth joining.
Not a best case scenario, but at this point, what the fuck good is a party when the entire thing can get held hostage by two self-serving egomaniacs? The last shreds of pretense that the will of the electorate means anything are blowing away. Steal this one away from the person who won the battle fair and square at your own peril, Clintons and DNC party officials.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
I totally agree. Too many DINOs ruined the party. If McCain wins, the party will automatically implode.
And how can bigots and minorities be in the same party????? The exit polls weirded me out. I guess that is the legacy of the Clintons' triangulation. :-( http://futurama.wik.is/Washington_D.C.
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Cindi "Cougar" McCain
The Vicoden Mummy wears "size 0" Lucky jeans in Vogue... Last meal??? Sometime in the late 70s...
Yeah, and I wear a size 2. NOT. I'm 5' 1" tall, and even when I weighed 105 lbs the smallest size I wore was a 4...and that was with 33 inch hips, in my 40s. And yes, I ate very healthy and exercised every day but I had a sit down job and bought my clothes off the rack, didn't have some idiot designer changing the physics of fitting clothes (in 1959, I weighed 95 lbs and wore a size 5, the smallest at the time--8-10 was considered small). My question is, why would a woman want to disappear by wearing progressively smaller sizes dictated by fashion? With men, a 32 waist is still a 32 waist...
Meow!
Rob Mule
· 1 year ago
Cindy's goal??? Size -4.
caphillprof
· 1 year ago
The creditors need to force the Hillary campaign into bankruptcy. That should do the trick.
kevinbgoode
· 1 year ago
Call me an un-Democrat, but this is the reason that I just cannot vote for Hillary Clinton in any election. This country can no longer afford the continued "leadership" of professional liars.
martha
· 1 year ago
And she's made sure no woman will be nominated for 100 years. She is playing into the stereo type that women are too "emotional" instead of "rational". Women are catty and vindictive instead of smart. Women "aren't good at math". Sheesh! I am so angry.
John Aravosis
· 1 year ago
I just republished my "Go away you horrible human being" essay, if anyone feels like taking on the 230 Hillbots who descended on the comments to inform us that we all hate women (no, just one). http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/go-away-you-...
I agree 100% with John. I used to love the Clintons until a few months ago. Now I can't stand them. This is all about them and not about the party or the country. Hillary Clinton is power hungry and willing to destory our Country by allowing McCain to destroy the Supreme Court.
G.
G_Stud
· 1 year ago
Hillary should consider herself lucky to have won the senate seat in NY in 2000. The only reason she did was b/c Guiliani got cancer and dropped out.
If she ruins our chances in the Fall - let's make sure she loses that Senate seat. G.
G_Stud
· 1 year ago
Gore and Dean - make this woman go away. G.
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Hillary has been the most sexist person in her own campaign, The only thing that she didn't do was spit and grab her package.
Hillary was proud of her racist win in West Viginia, now supposed there was a state that Obama won because hard working Americans, hard working male Americans(that could not vote for a woman) and Obama was proud of that win. Hillary would have lost the what ever is left of her mind. Hillary has no problem in being proud that she wins the racist votes and tells the Super-delegates that this is the reason she should be the nominee.
So now all the voters that did not vote for Hillary are sexist
KansasModerate
· 1 year ago
I hope she does take it all the way to the convention. She owes it to the 17 million persons who have voted for her and the millions more, including me and thousands of other Clinton supporters in Kansas, who were disenfranchised by rigged caucuses.
If the Democratic nominating process is divided in half, Obama starred in the first half. But once some of the veneer was peeled off his carefully crafted image the second half belongs to Hillary. She has the momentum and her recent wins in some key states revealed some serious Obama problems with key Democratic constituencies.
Hillary has a much better chance of defeating John McCain -- and he must be defeated. The pros among the Super Delegates know Hillary is the party's stronger candidate in November but they'd rather lose in November than risk alienating black voters. So it's OK to slap around the bitch; women ought to be in the back room making coffee anyway. If Obama were a young white junior senator Hillary Clinton would be the nominee.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court takes a hands off stance when it comes to nominating procedures established by the parties. If the federal courts would take the case the caucuses couldn't pass the smell test. Millions of voters are basically denied a voice in the Democratic nominating contest because of the number of states that hold caucuses. None of the delegates selected at caucuses should be seated at the convention in Denver.
Democrats who don't want John McCain sitting in the Oval Office will regret it if Obama is the nominee. He's a fraud and once voters figure out why leftists like George Soros, David Brock, DailyKos, John Aravosis, etc., jumped on his bandwagon before the idea became popular the party will lose on the scale of McGovern's debacle in 1972.
truthseeker
· 1 year ago
Oh, please...take your martyrdom somewhere else. It's about the delegates...or was Wolfson lying when he said it was. Who has more? Oh, and you're right, a black man named Barack Obama has it much easier than the FORMER FIRST LADY. NONSENSE. Get this piece of irony: "Ms. Feminist" wouldn't be ANYWHERE without her husband. How about we get some real feminists in the party like Gov. Napolitano, Gov. Shaheen, Sen. McCaskill, and Sen. Klobuchar...true feminists who made it ON THEIR OWN.
Nigel Elliott
· 1 year ago
From the candidate who openly appealed to "white working class voters, now Hillary Clinton invokes American slavery into the MI/FL delegate seating debate.
Ok...seems we are talking over each other. I hear the Hillary people talk about how Michigan and Florida should be seated. Now, she's saying it's akin to Florida 2000. Here's how I see it: the rules that everyone signed off on (and which, in all likelihood, were written largely by Clinton cronies at the DNC) said that Florida and Michigan wouldn't count. She admitted as such in October of 2007.
Before primaries even started, her campaign had raised tons of cash, had about 260+ superdelegate endorsements and her nomination was "inevitable." She was going to have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Along comes this Obama character. He beats her in Iowa. He outraises her like crazy not by having people who maxed out on what they could give to him early on, as the few donors she had did, but by building a true grass roots network of people who gave in increments, on average, less than $100. She doesn't wrap it up by Super Tuesday. In fact, this Obama character BEATS her on Super Tuesday. Then he goes on to 11 straight primary wins building up a huge and, yes, insurmountable lead. She finally hits her stride. However, she hit her stride, like so many sports teams, AFTER she was eliminated from the possibility of winning. Now, she wants to CHANGE THE RULES. Those rules I signed off on? No...I want to seat those delegates I AGREED would not count last year, before the process began. Now...I'm going to characterize my wanting to change rules into "count every vote." I'm going to say it's like Florida 2000. But, here's not what I'm going to tell you...the deal with Florida 2000 is that they didn't obey the rule, which said to discern the will of the voter. So...in 2000 they did NOT follow the rules. Now....I also want them to NOT follow the rules. Oh...and let's not forget when Howard Wolfson said the following: "And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee." (Got that here: http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/cb...)
Here's my question to the Clinton folks: What am I missing here?
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
This is actually the ultimate racist ploy, a black man hurting a white woman.
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
If Obama were a young white junior senator Hillary Clinton would be the nominee.
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And if Hillary were a man everybody would be saying "How does being the president's husband qualify this clown to be president?"
DukatSG
· 1 year ago
Obama supporters, I swear -- you continue to make the FALSE assumption that Obama is "the nominee." Here we've come full circle back to the WWTSBQ stage....so you all think Obama should try to "push her out"? That's what he AND the press has been doing since January!
Hillary has the most votes, let's nominate her!
Bush_Bites
· 1 year ago
She only has the most vote if you disallow four caucuses, including Iowa.
What happened to "letting the votes count" ?
You hillbots are such lying phonies.
lov446
· 1 year ago
If it was Barack that was behind, and had also signed the agreement about Fl. and Mi. but now wanted to reverse his decision in order to win, would you still be sticking up for him as you are Hillary? I think not!! You wouldn't care about these votes, if Hillary didn't need them, so that proves y ou all are phonies!
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
Obama is not trying to push her out but believe me if it were the other way around she would have tried to push Obama out long ago and Hillary would be calling herself the nominee. Hillary said she would have this wrapped up by Feb 5th.
Hillary does not has the most votes and anyway that is irrelevant because we nominate on the basis of delegates. Stop trying to change the rules.
truthseeker
· 1 year ago
LIAR!!!! What part of she CAN'T fucking win don't you understand? And, forget the fact that she does NOT have more votes (and I am 6'1" and weight 200 pounds if I add 2 inches to my height and randomly not count 100 pounds of fat). And no...she shouldn't be pushed out. It's every American's RIGHT to run for President, and I haven't heard Obama say she should quit. However, she should follow the rules, plain and simple. Why do Clintonites think she should be allowed to change the rules to suit her? However, lest we forget THE RULES SHE AGREED TO AND HER CRONIES ESPOUSED:
Howard Wolfson said the following: "And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee." (Got that here: http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/cb...)
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
Hillary and Bill are powerful, but they aren't going to stop this train. it is passing them by, and they know it.
lov446
· 1 year ago
The telling answer to Hillary's screaming for fairness for Fl. and Mi. is, would she be screaming for the fairness of counting these votes, if it was Barack that was behind and needed them, instead of her being behind and needing them? I want a Hillary supporter to honestly say, that she would be having the same argument on behalf of Obama, if it was she that was ahead, and Obama was behind, and needed these votes to win even after he had even signed an agreement to have these 2 states excluded. Come on, let;s hear you say, she would be doing the same thing in the name of fairness even if she was ahead, and had also been the one to comply with the rules that she agreed to, but that Barack had gone against them, and even though he had also signed the same agreement!! Bet she wouldn' t care about the Fl. and Mi. voters rights then, would she?? What about the people's choice then, she would thumb her nose at them, if that was the case, and you all know it, now talk about being genuinely fair. No, she is doing this just to benefit her, she could care less about any of you people in these 2 states!! What a joke she is!! Oh, and a big phony to boot!
Coming Undone
· 1 year ago
People lose in elections all the time. Hillary lost , she lost and if she can't stand the notion of losing she should have never been in the election.
jr
· 1 year ago
Hillary's canker soreitude knows no bounds
tlsintx
· 1 year ago
and let me just say, Rachel Maddow is awesome!
Jallenrule
· 1 year ago
She needs to see a specialist. Seriously... I believe I found a mental disorder she may be afflicted with. It's called Oppositional Defiant Disorder or ODD.
Here is the general diagnosis, let me know what you think:
Diagnostic Criteria
1. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present: Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level. 1. often loses temper 2. often argues with adults 3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules 4. often deliberately annoys people 5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior 6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others 7. is often angry and resentful 8. is often spiteful or vindictive
Maybe we can collectively convince her to seek help, get prescribed to some Paxil, and make her able to reason with before the convention gets here.
lol
Twosret
· 1 year ago
I only blame the democratic party for letting this happen. Hillary is working against her party and she is causing damage and she be told to leave the party if she doesn't like the rules.
Twosret
· 1 year ago
Oh and one more thing, if Obama will decide to pay her debts one day I will not contribute to his campaign anymore.
Jallenrule
· 1 year ago
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laketahoeblue
· 1 year ago
Maybe it's an addiction, an addiction to staying in the race, an addiction to her lifelong dream. Maybe she's not ready to accept the loss of her dream and is doing everything she can to avoid dealing with this loss, to avoid dealing with the fact--- and the pain, the despair--- that it really is over.
Hillary may be demonstrating the classic symptoms and stages of the Grieving process--- grieving a significant loss; in this case, the loss of her lifelong dream.
As we know, the first stage of the grieving process is Denial, denial that the loss has actually occurred. This seems to be the stage Hillary is currently stuck in.
The next stage of the grieving process is the Anger stage--- becoming angry that the loss has occurred, feeling the loss is grossly unfair, and fighting back against the loss. The Anger stage is part of Denial. She's there as well.
The third stage of the grieving process is the Bargaining stage--- trying to strike some type of bargain to stave off the loss, like a bargain with the Super Delegates, with the Florida and Michigan delegates, with herself, with God, with whoever. Bargaining can also involve futile efforts to fend off or reverse the loss, like trying to find a way to mortally wound Obama's electability.
Things begin changing once one enters the fourth stage of the grieving process. The fourth stage is where adjustment really begins. This is the stage called Depression. It is an inevitable, even necessary, stage of the grieving process, i.e. the letting go process.
It seems Hillary is doing everything she can to avoid entering the stage of depression, to avoid going down into the loss itself through the depression it contains. So she keeps recycling between the first three stages, the Denial stages. She can and will do this until all doors, all hope, all possible options are finally closed to her. She can and will do this as long as there are still primaries to win, and delegates to possibly win over.
But when all sense of hope is gone, when all options have been exhausted, when there is nothing left to think of doing or that can be done, when everyone, including those closest to her say it's over, then Hillary can and is most likely to enter the Depression stage, to grow through it, and then to arrive at the final stage--- and ultimate goal--- of the grieving process, the Acceptance stage. Acceptance is the stage of letting go, of being on the other side of the loss, of moving on.
The Super Delegates can help Hillary get unstuck in her stage of grieving and move into the Depression stage. They can do this by putting Obama over the magic number of declared delegates. Hillary's family can help Hillary get unstuck by being loving but firmly convincing her the hope is gone and it is time to get out. The sooner these groups, and others do this, the sooner Hillary will be able to finish her grieving and move on. I think Hillary will need this help.
dula
· 1 year ago
My prediction would be that after this mess is over and done with, Hillary, knowing deep down how wrong she is/was will be faced with the kind of guilt that could permanently haunt the children of all the Jewish mothers on the Planet. Out of anxiety and fear, Hillary will eat compulsively until she baloons in size and the only thing comfortable enough to wear will be hand-me-downs from Mike Huckabee, which she'll have to let out in the seat.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
It's probably a "done deal".
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Hillary in de kitchen Rollin out de dough Bama in de den Opening up the brown unmarked envelopes....
Hmmmm..... that doesn't rhyme....
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Scooter, it's not over till the "fat man" sings...
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Jeez, PeteWa, wish I'd a said that ;).......
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Is Obama going to be on Hannity/Colmes tonite?
Busboy
· 1 year ago
Cindy's hotterin' Hillary. More class and a lot easier on the eyes. There's rumors that McWeasel may pick Ron Paul as a running mate? Talk about strange bedfellows...
Dave of the Jungle
· 1 year ago
Cindy wouldn't be the one making the State of the Union addresses, silly person.
Busboy
· 1 year ago
It was just on the radio that one of Obama's superdels had been on AlJazeera talking about the desecration of the Quran in Gitmo; even though he was only reporting prisoner hearsay. Barack needs to get the whip out.
All Comments
In the meantime, Cindi "Cougar" McCain is busy measuring the drapes in the Oval Office.
And if that doesn't make your skin crawl, nothing will.
All I can think of is for the undeclared superdelegates to come out now for Obama and put it out of her reach. I'm so disappointed in Sen. Wyden who said that he is not going to make up his mind until the convention.
Continue to stress that the Obama campaign seeks compromise and a fair solution to the question, though they shouldn't have to since these rules were decided long before the first ballots were cast. Continue to note that the Clinton campaign refuses any and all calls to discuss the situation in a calm and reasonable manner. Continue to underscore that the senator who is positioning herself as "ready from day one" to lead the world's largest and most powerful nation has run a terrible, mismanaged campaign that is now some $20 million in debt. Continue to point out that a Clinton return to the White House is a return of the DLC, triangulation, cronyism and doublespeak.
The only good thing I see coming out of this is that it will be impossible for Sen. Clinton to push for the veep slot. Someone who has caused so much damage to the process of choosing our candidate has no place on the ticket. In fact, I continue to hold out hope a real progressive will challenge her in NY and send her off to Long Island with Bill.
except one of them has a penis. not sure who at this point.
Now that sHillary is messing things up,what are THEY planning to do for the good of the party and to ensure we win the presidency?
An Obama~Clinton~Fusion~Ticket!
We political junkies here may be enthralled with this hoop-la.
But to the average working American out there...all they see is a Democratic Primary split right down the middle between Obama and Clinton.
The most productive and progressive action would be to marry the two candidates.
A heaven made DREAM TICKET for the Democratic Party....
A black Man and a Women...what an honorable achievement!
Even republicans are saying how much they're attacked to Obama's sophisticated/modern-style and constantly the GOP have commented how they respect and admire Clinton's spunk.
These are potential voters!
Andrew Sullivan said it best...it's absolutely a Win-Win!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/column...
Bull Shit. She lost.
And the Democratic Convention will be her High School Prom, where she can get her revenge on the delegates who laughed at her.
and that it's being stolen from her
someone needs to pull the plug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nV_0oQDiRA
Hillary could have easily said to the voters of Kentucky, "Vote for me because you believe in the things I stand for. But never, never, base your preference on the color of candidate's skin." That would have been class. Nope! She sucked up to the bigotry and ground-in racism of the south.
Good news though! David Gergen has raised the question of why she didn't take the high road. Expect to hear it shortly all over the news.
Thus, Obama chose not to put his name on the ballot in MI. But Hillary did.
How in the HELL can they possibly figure out how many/which delegates to seat from either state? Why does Hillary get to call a do-over, and how could this possibly be fair to Obama?
Why doesn't the MSM clearly discuss this issue?
Oh. right. I know the answer to that stupid question.
As a 55-yo female with 3 adult daughters, I'm as big a feminist as you can find. But I also have a spiritual (as opposed to religious) mindset, an open mind and an IQ in the triple digits. I would LOVE to see a woman in the White House.
Just not THIS one.
Hillary is a Republican in a 1970's feminist pantsuit. Her time is so over.
I haven't seen a recent tally, but are there even enough uncommitted superdelegates left to get him to 2,210, the number that Clinton insists is the magical one for the nomination? Because mark my words, she will not accept anything else.
She is holding the entire party hostage to her ambition, and she is willing to let it die in captivity to get what she wants.
Why is Hillary carrying the primary season on beyond all logic, actual mathematics, and reason? Because IT WORKED for Bush in 2000! The Rethugs created so much chaos, dragged out the deadlines and kept moving the goalposts, until they found someone who could AND would CHANGE THE RULES after the game was played and declare that the actual loser would be coronated as the winner.
Hillary is playing the same game: looking for the media to catapult the propaganda for her; convincing the super-delegates to vote for her in spite of the popular vote; lying about the math and whether caucuses should be counted; use the DNC rules committee to change the rules on May 31. If nothing else works, she will go to the "Democratic Supreme Court," i.e., the National Convention in Denver this August to get the nomination in what would be a complete rejection of the rules, of precedent, and all fairness.
If I were more tech-savvy, it would be a responsible act to create a YouTube video where Hillary's monogram "HRC" and her picture morph into those of "GWB." How curious that on the standard keyboard, the letters that make up Hillary's mongram are only 1 or 2 keys away from the letters in Bush's monogram.
She somehow manages to out-pathetic herself every day.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/12/27/us...
KKKarl Rove sunk McCain's campaign in 2000 with a whisper campaign he "fathered" a "black" child out wedlock.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/26/31853/5881
The McCain actually adopted Bridget from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh, which is a Muslim (83%) country.
The bigots will have a hard choice to make in November, that's why I hope Bob Barr runs as the Libertarian candidate. He'll get the bigot and evangelical vote in one swoop! Obama will win like Clinton did in 1992.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-wo...
No more. She's entirely on par.
Not a best case scenario, but at this point, what the fuck good is a party when the entire thing can get held hostage by two self-serving egomaniacs? The last shreds of pretense that the will of the electorate means anything are blowing away. Steal this one away from the person who won the battle fair and square at your own peril, Clintons and DNC party officials.
And how can bigots and minorities be in the same party????? The exit polls weirded me out. I guess that is the legacy of the Clintons' triangulation. :-(
http://futurama.wik.is/Washington_D.C.
The Vicoden Mummy wears "size 0" Lucky jeans in Vogue...
Last meal??? Sometime in the late 70s...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
Meow!
Size -4.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily...
Hillary Clinton is power hungry and willing to destory our Country by allowing McCain to destroy the Supreme Court.
G.
If she ruins our chances in the Fall - let's make sure she loses that Senate seat.
G.
Hillary was proud of her racist win in West Viginia, now supposed there was a state that Obama won because hard working Americans, hard working male Americans(that could not vote for a woman) and Obama was proud of that win. Hillary would have lost the what ever is left of her mind. Hillary has no problem in being proud that she wins the racist votes and tells the Super-delegates that this is the reason she should be the nominee.
So now all the voters that did not vote for Hillary are sexist
If the Democratic nominating process is divided in half, Obama starred in the first half. But once some of the veneer was peeled off his carefully crafted image the second half belongs to Hillary. She has the momentum and her recent wins in some key states revealed some serious Obama problems with key Democratic constituencies.
Hillary has a much better chance of defeating John McCain -- and he must be defeated. The pros among the Super Delegates know Hillary is the party's stronger candidate in November but they'd rather lose in November than risk alienating black voters. So it's OK to slap around the bitch; women ought to be in the back room making coffee anyway. If Obama were a young white junior senator Hillary Clinton would be the nominee.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court takes a hands off stance when it comes to nominating procedures established by the parties. If the federal courts would take the case the caucuses couldn't pass the smell test. Millions of voters are basically denied a voice in the Democratic nominating contest because of the number of states that hold caucuses. None of the delegates selected at caucuses should be seated at the convention in Denver.
Democrats who don't want John McCain sitting in the Oval Office will regret it if Obama is the nominee. He's a fraud and once voters figure out why leftists like George Soros, David Brock, DailyKos, John Aravosis, etc., jumped on his bandwagon before the idea became popular the party will lose on the scale of McGovern's debacle in 1972.
Wow, just wow!!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/21/164...
Before primaries even started, her campaign had raised tons of cash, had about 260+ superdelegate endorsements and her nomination was "inevitable." She was going to have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Along comes this Obama character. He beats her in Iowa. He outraises her like crazy not by having people who maxed out on what they could give to him early on, as the few donors she had did, but by building a true grass roots network of people who gave in increments, on average, less than $100. She doesn't wrap it up by Super Tuesday. In fact, this Obama character BEATS her on Super Tuesday. Then he goes on to 11 straight primary wins building up a huge and, yes, insurmountable lead. She finally hits her stride. However, she hit her stride, like so many sports teams, AFTER she was eliminated from the possibility of winning. Now, she wants to CHANGE THE RULES. Those rules I signed off on? No...I want to seat those delegates I AGREED would not count last year, before the process began. Now...I'm going to characterize my wanting to change rules into "count every vote." I'm going to say it's like Florida 2000. But, here's not what I'm going to tell you...the deal with Florida 2000 is that they didn't obey the rule, which said to discern the will of the voter. So...in 2000 they did NOT follow the rules. Now....I also want them to NOT follow the rules. Oh...and let's not forget when Howard Wolfson said the following: "And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee." (Got that here: http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/cb...)
Here's my question to the Clinton folks: What am I missing here?
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And if Hillary were a man everybody would be saying "How does being the president's husband qualify this clown to be president?"
Hillary has the most votes, let's nominate her!
What happened to "letting the votes count" ?
You hillbots are such lying phonies.
Hillary does not has the most votes and anyway that is irrelevant because we nominate on the basis of delegates. Stop trying to change the rules.
Howard Wolfson said the following: "And overall, we have a significant lead among delegates, overall, which, obviously, at the end of the day is what is going to positively determine which Democrat is our party's nominee." (Got that here: http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/cb...)
it is passing them by, and they know it.
I want a Hillary supporter to honestly say, that she would be having the same argument on behalf of Obama, if it was she that was ahead, and Obama was behind, and needed these votes to win even after he had even signed an agreement to have these 2 states excluded.
Come on, let;s hear you say, she would be doing the same thing in the name of fairness even if she was ahead, and had also been the one to comply with the rules that she agreed to, but that Barack had gone against them, and even though he had also signed the same agreement!! Bet she wouldn' t care about the Fl. and Mi. voters rights then, would she??
What about the people's choice then, she would thumb her nose at them, if that was the case, and you all know it, now talk about being genuinely fair. No, she is doing this just to benefit her, she could care less about any of you people in these 2 states!! What a joke she is!! Oh, and a big phony to boot!
Here is the general diagnosis, let me know what you think:
Diagnostic Criteria
1. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level.
1. often loses temper
2. often argues with adults
3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
4. often deliberately annoys people
5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
7. is often angry and resentful
8. is often spiteful or vindictive
Maybe we can collectively convince her to seek help, get prescribed to some Paxil, and make her able to reason with before the convention gets here.
lol
Hillary may be demonstrating the classic symptoms and stages of the Grieving process--- grieving a significant loss; in this case, the loss of her lifelong dream.
As we know, the first stage of the grieving process is Denial, denial that the loss has actually occurred. This seems to be the stage Hillary is currently stuck in.
The next stage of the grieving process is the Anger stage--- becoming angry that the loss has occurred, feeling the loss is grossly unfair, and fighting back against the loss. The Anger stage is part of Denial. She's there as well.
The third stage of the grieving process is the Bargaining stage--- trying to strike some type of bargain to stave off the loss, like a bargain with the Super Delegates, with the Florida and Michigan delegates, with herself, with God, with whoever. Bargaining can also involve futile efforts to fend off or reverse the loss, like trying to find a way to mortally wound Obama's electability.
Things begin changing once one enters the fourth stage of the grieving process. The fourth stage is where adjustment really begins. This is the stage called Depression. It is an inevitable, even necessary, stage of the grieving process, i.e. the letting go process.
It seems Hillary is doing everything she can to avoid entering the stage of depression, to avoid going down into the loss itself through the depression it contains. So she keeps recycling between the first three stages, the Denial stages. She can and will do this until all doors, all hope, all possible options are finally closed to her. She can and will do this as long as there are still primaries to win, and delegates to possibly win over.
But when all sense of hope is gone, when all options have been exhausted, when there is nothing left to think of doing or that can be done, when everyone, including those closest to her say it's over, then Hillary can and is most likely to enter the Depression stage, to grow through it, and then to arrive at the final stage--- and ultimate goal--- of the grieving process, the Acceptance stage. Acceptance is the stage of letting go, of being on the other side of the loss, of moving on.
The Super Delegates can help Hillary get unstuck in her stage of grieving and move into the Depression stage. They can do this by putting Obama over the magic number of declared delegates. Hillary's family can help Hillary get unstuck by being loving but firmly convincing her the hope is gone and it is time to get out. The sooner these groups, and others do this, the sooner Hillary will be able to finish her grieving and move on. I think Hillary will need this help.
Rollin out de dough
Bama in de den
Opening up the brown unmarked envelopes....
Hmmmm..... that doesn't rhyme....